I will tip whatever amount i want.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

7/25/2012 6:06:14 PM

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"SERVICING THEIR TABLES"

7/25/2012 8:03:44 PM

To say Charleston is going to die out when the old money dies is just plain wrong. There's new manufacturing plants going up about once a month less than 3 miles from where I live.

7/25/2012 8:44:02 PM

you know those blue collar workers love that fine dining.

7/25/2012 8:46:11 PM

the simple solution to shitty service with auto-grat is to pay with a credit card and leave a negative tip on it, thus removing the auto-grat. make a point that it's negative on the merchant copy and they can't charge the card for more than you authorized. if they do, dispute it on your credit card statement. It will then be up to the restaurant to show that you signed anything saying you would pay an auto-grat.

or, just leave cash and leave less than what the auto-grat was supposed to be.


this aint rocket-science, people

7/25/2012 9:08:45 PM

I am stunned that jbrick83 would defend the industry of Charleston as vehemently as he did with those pitiful titles--best romantic vacation, culture, bed/breakfast, tennis, antiques, coolest smallest city, "performing" city, "small business vitality."

I think my favorites on his list are:

BEST TOWN

and

BEST ONE-TANK GETAWAY



(I like Charleston and hate Charlotte, by the way.)

7/25/2012 9:16:02 PM

i think it's hilarious that the entirety of his argument was based on his experience in Charleston. Like, that one town trumps every other city's experience, because, well, it's Charleston! Kind of fitting, though, because Charleston is full of itself. Meanwhile, he then has the nerve to suggest that Charlotte isn't a major metropolitan area or that people don't consider it one. I mean, what the fuck

7/25/2012 9:18:55 PM

1. I won't tip over auto tip. If you don't trust me as a patron, that fine, but your distrust earns you no extra tip.

2. If I get shitty service on an auto tip tablet (IE 1 server waiting a party of 20, and 5 other tables). Ill bitch, and get it off the bill. I have no problem raising a stink. If you write off my large group because you think your tip is auto, fuck you.

You give me the choice, i wont tip under 20% for decent service, great service (IE you picking a good wine, getting our dinners right, and making sure I'm comfortable, but not rushed and you'll get more).

If you live off tips, then you better earn them. If I'm supposed to make up for your shitty salary, then I have an expectation of you performing a decent job. I'm not a welfare program for shitty servers, or overworked servers.

7/26/2012 12:13:41 AM

I am pretty non-confrontational. I don't know who to blame for what, shitty food is the kitchens fault, slow food is usually the kitchens fault, cold food=kitchen, understaffed=shitty manager, etc.

Two things piss me off,
1) Empty drinks....I drink a lot, don't matter if its water, tea, coke, or beer, you need to check drinks.
2) Waiting forever for the check or a simple condiment like mayonnaise, ranch dressing, or something.

Anyone who does not fuck up those two things gets 20% and if other stuff is fucked up I just wont go back.

7/26/2012 12:29:46 AM

I waited tables/bartended for almost 10 years to put myself through college/grad school.

Grating a big party is a fucking no brainer. At worst you get your 18% (which you fucking deserve anyway), but at best people will tip you extra because they thought you worked hard or didn't know it was included.

Some retards/n00bs wouldn't include the grat, hoping they'd get left more. The truth is, that if a table wants to reward you, they'll tip on top of the gratuity because they want to. NEVER assume they'll tip you more than the grat. DUMB DUMB DUMB

7/26/2012 1:26:02 AM

but did you tell them grat was added already

7/26/2012 2:00:32 AM

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"which you fucking deserve anyway"

You "deserve" nothing. A tip is a gift.

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"didn't know it was included"

That is straight up taking advantage of people, and is a piece of shit thing to do.

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"that if a table wants to reward you, they'll tip on top of the gratuity because they want to. "

Not true at all. As you already said, they may not know gratuity is included...


Your attitude pretty much exemplifies what is wrong with the restaurant industry in the US. All in all, it's just horrible all the way around.

7/26/2012 2:16:57 AM

Regarding slave vs brick:

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"Large group company sponsored dining represents the bulk of business for most >30$ entree establishments."

This might be true for some large cities, but I'm not sure if it is for large cities with a strong foodie culture. Whenever I go out to a fine dining place in L.A., I mostly see couples and four-tops, with an occasional large group that in some cases appears to be on the company dime, and in other cases appears to be a group of friends checking out a trendy establishment. So if you measure business by number of customers, I don't think this is true at all in L.A.

However, when I worked at McKinsey, I know we ordered up some huge bills that I would never dream of ordering if it wasn't being expensed. Most of that tab came from wine and other high-end alcohols, and that's the big difference between a business dinner with clients and a group of twenty-something foodies who want to get a Michelin-starred experience even if they can't really afford it. So if you measure business by dollars and/or net profit, what Slave says could be true here.

7/26/2012 2:18:16 AM

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"but did you tell them grat was added already"

in CA, it's illegal to charge a grat without it being on the receipt or printed on the menu (or at least that's what I was told at each of the places I worked). if you're not smart enough to read the menu or your receipt, i don't know what to tell ya... plus, it'll show up automatically on most credit card transaction receipts as included- you don't even have to write it in. i can count on my hands the number of times people left extra cash- and each time it was from foreigners who probably intended to leave a $5 tip- so fuck them.
now when i waited tables in NC, I would always tell people it was included and nobody ever made a fuss about it, mostly because i didn't want to get fired- occasionally people would leave a little extra because they were nice

like i said before, only fools don't include gratuity on a check when they have the option. all it takes is getting stiffed once on a huge check because you hoped for more to make it a rule. 18% is a decent tip and i will take it 100% of the time over a 0% tip...

fuck all of the people in this thread who don't believe in tipping. i'm glad i have an education now and don't have to work in the industry, but you bastards were the ones who made it such a shitty job...



[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/26/2012 11:17:13 AM

few people in this thread don't believe in tipping. most, however, think auto-grat is bullshit, and it is. your attitude of feeling entitled to a gift is what people don't like. fuck you

7/26/2012 7:30:40 PM

why do waiters and waitresses get so pissed off when instead of tipping them, you make a donation in their name to charity for 25% of your total bill amount?

7/26/2012 7:41:29 PM

I don't have a problem with automatic gratuity, but I go into rage mode when they refuse to split out my portion of the bill. I recently ran into that problem in Maryland. wouldn't split out the bill, didn't know what sales tax rates were on food and alcohol, and couldn't even accurately point out which item on the bill was the beer I ordered. The manager acted like more of an ignorant fucktard than the waitress, refusing to tell me what my portion of the bill was and continuing to tell me to just throw a portion of money at the bill with a group of 16 people of which I knew two of them. We didn't even show up with the other people, so I don't know why our bill got lumped into theirs since we placed our drink orders after they were finished eating.

I kind of want to go back to eat there a few times and tip nothing to make up for that fiasco.

7/26/2012 8:59:42 PM

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"If you live off tips, then you better earn them. If I'm supposed to make up for your shitty salary, then I have an expectation of you performing a decent job. I'm not a welfare program for shitty servers, or overworked servers."

[/all tipping threads]

7/26/2012 10:08:03 PM

jewleusis

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 10:54 PM. Reason : K]

7/26/2012 10:53:49 PM

15-20% minimum tip? I am not sure now a days... I rarely eat out... I like to cook myself.

7/26/2012 10:56:27 PM

I don't think I get the point of your post.

7/26/2012 10:57:14 PM

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"the simple solution to shitty service with auto-grat is to pay with a credit card and leave a negative tip on it, thus removing the auto-grat. make a point that it's negative on the merchant copy and they can't charge the card for more than you authorized. if they do, dispute it on your credit card statement. It will then be up to the restaurant to show that you signed anything saying you would pay an auto-grat. or, just leave cash and leave less than what the auto-grat was supposed to be. this aint rocket-science, people"

not rocket-science, and also not legal

7/26/2012 11:02:50 PM

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"your attitude of feeling entitled to a gift is what people don't like"

actually, since it's included AUTOMATICALLY on checks for parties of eight or more, i was entitled to it. in fact, an entire industry seems to agree with me since it's standard practice. and i don't give a shit whether you like it or not, you cheap, penny pinching bastard.

fucking moron

7/27/2012 2:47:56 AM

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"not rocket-science, and also not legal "

Does the fact that a number is printed out on a piece of paper and given to you mean you're legally obligated to pay it?

The negative tip on your card thing sounds like way more trouble than it's worth, but just leaving enough cash to cover bill + tip but not the auto-grat? I would definitely do that if I had cash and felt like I got horrible service.

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 8:21 AM. Reason : ]

7/27/2012 8:21:05 AM

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"which you fucking deserve anyway"

$2.50 is what you deserve. On the hour every hour

7/27/2012 8:25:19 AM

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"couldn't even accurately point out which item on the bill was the beer I ordered."

Were you not able to do that?

7/27/2012 8:50:59 AM

Auto-tip = no tip from me. I don't care if you are the best waiter and all but suck my dick. You get what is automatically added to my bill.

7/27/2012 8:55:12 AM

"Just the tip" is the only thing I've got for jbrick83 after browsing over this thread. What a fucking toolbag, this guy. No one likes you and your argument style sucks donkey dicks, fuck off.

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

7/27/2012 9:52:53 AM

does it surprise anyone that this thread turned out this way

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM. Reason : the 18-20% gratuity will take off]

7/27/2012 11:56:59 AM

Didnt read the entire thread...just wanted to say its obvious who waits tables and who doesn't.
You waiters are doing yourselves no favors. Kinda being assholes actually.

7/27/2012 10:15:52 PM

when i was in red robin the other day, i added a dollar to the built in tip... the waiter was friendly, efficient, and put up with me when i decided to change my entire order (i would have left an extra two dollars if he had already punched in my first order and THEN changed it.)

7/27/2012 10:28:17 PM

FUCK all these TDubbers claiming to be 25% tippers. If you're a server, AUTOGRAT!

Every time...

Unless BigHitSunday is paying the bill, because he is the fucking man!

7/27/2012 10:53:32 PM

I tip 25-50%, depending on my mood. I rarely go out.

7/27/2012 10:57:09 PM

Lol

7/27/2012 10:58:50 PM

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"actually, since it's included AUTOMATICALLY on checks for parties of eight or more, i was entitled to it."

no, you are not entitled to a voluntary gift. it doesn't matter how many people are fucking morons just like you and think otherwise, you are NOT entitled to a voluntary gift. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a "voluntary gift."

7/28/2012 12:20:32 AM

you're the dumbest poster on this board

too dumb to even be trolling for fun

i hope your caretaker restricts your access to sites like these. you could get in lots of trouble if left unsupervised

7/28/2012 2:06:50 AM

^ I fucking hate you for two reasons. One is that you just posted the lamest "comeback" in TWW history. You could have responded with "no, you are" and come off 10 times smarter than you did with that bullshit. The second reason is that your replies in this thread allowed for aaronburro to post something I actually agree with. Now GTFO you worthless piece of shit.

7/28/2012 2:43:30 AM

I tipped 100% last night

7/28/2012 2:48:25 AM

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"only fools don't include gratuity on a check when they have the option."

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"i'm glad i have an education now "

You sure you got an education because your logical reasoning is failing right now.

Tips are earned. Yes it sucks when you work hard and you EARN your tip but the customer fails to deliver. But you picked the job. This isn't a communist country where you MUST work at this job. You have the freedom to pick another job if you so desire. That's part of the risk with accepting a job like a waiter/waitress/server. If you are damn good at creating a wonderful experience for people, I doubt being stiffed would be a concern.

I personally don't tip on %. The price of my meal has no relation to how I should pay someone to help me refill my drinks, deliver my food, etc. I prefer to tip based on performance at an hour rate. For example, if you do very well and are pleasant, I'll tip say $15/hr. If you do subar or make the experience more to be desired, perhaps $5/hr or less. There have been times when I didn't tip at all because the server was terrible at their job, and I'm a patient man. There have been times when I tipped great, but the food sucked, so I discussed that with a manager. As previously stated, it's hard for some people to differentiate between kitchen and server.


Oh and

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"If you live off tips, then you better earn them. If I'm supposed to make up for your shitty salary, then I have an expectation of you performing a decent job. I'm not a welfare program for shitty servers, or overworked servers."

+1



[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 3:24 AM. Reason : .]

7/28/2012 3:18:32 AM

sounds like you think you're ENTITLED to good service when you go out

oh the irony

i'm loving all the anti-social tools with thin pockets coming on here to attack me. funny that none of you actually waited tables, yet you have such insight into what the job is like

enjoy being the cheap bastards that you are, it's a pretty accurate reflection of what you have to offer to the world



[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 3:51 AM. Reason : eat a dick, nerds]

7/28/2012 3:45:47 AM

Servers are just like anyone else. Sometimes they have off days. Sometimes they don't want to be at work, or are feeling crappy. I'm sure everyone has felt this at least once in their life. So I usually give them the benefit of the doubt unless they are outlandishly rude to me.

If I have enough money to go out and eat or go out and drink I also have enough money to tip. But if there is an autogratuity I don't tip over that.

Autograt usually screws the server out of more money. But it really depends on the clientele you are serving.

7/28/2012 3:50:11 AM

no. it doesn't.

if you'd actually waited tables you'd know that it's just not true at all

auto grat is the only way to prevent an entire waitstaff from bolting each and every time they get shafted on a big party

you retards think that getting stiffed is some rare thing. take a look at this thread. it's populated by bastards who do this sort of thing perpetually and feel okay about it

7/28/2012 3:53:36 AM

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"Does the fact that a number is printed out on a piece of paper and given to you mean you're legally obligated to pay it?"

no you are right, the menu says that hamburger is $10, but that is bullshit, i'm only paying $5!!

Auto-grats are state on menu's so you know about them before you order and they are part of the price for your meal. you have a choice not to pay it by going somewhere else.

tips are absolutely voluntary and UJustWait is a huge douchebag, but if the policy says on the menu that auto-grat exists, its not really a tip anymore, its a fee on top of the meal which is what half you people are always clamoring for anyways.

"JUST PAY A REAL WAGE AND CHARGE EXTRA"
"THIS AUTO-GRAT IS BULLSHIT!!"

[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 4:22 AM. Reason : a]

7/28/2012 4:03:00 AM

I've been waiting tables and bartending for maybe 8 years or so, so you can go suck a dick.

I've never seen anyone "bolt" over being stiffed by a large party. It ruined their night, but they showed up the next day. Because frankly everyone on our staff needs a job, and our good nights always outweigh the bad nights. Shit happens, grow a backbone, either confront the table about it or go about your business.

There is no doubt in my mind that autograt would drive our tips down. Usually on smaller tabs ($10 or less) I find I'll get %70-%100 percent, and then after that most people tip %20-%30 percent.

[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 4:05 AM. Reason : ^^.]

7/28/2012 4:04:21 AM

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"sounds like you think you're ENTITLED to good service when you go out oh the irony "

Actually, not quite ironic. When I go out, I expect a certain level of professionalism. When I go out, it is because I don't want to cook, refill my own drinks, clean up my own mess, or what have you. If a server fails to deliver a professional service, then their tip will reflect that. I'm not obligated to pay a tip. Sure it sucks making minimum wage, however, I digress.

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"funny that none of you actually waited tables, yet you have such insight into what the job is like "

I've worked my ass off, and was never stiffed a tip. Don't act like you know me.


[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 4:47 AM. Reason : .]

7/28/2012 4:45:30 AM

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"funny that none of you actually waited tables, yet you have such insight into what the job is like"

You're an English Major. You have no insight into what real work is.

7/28/2012 5:47:23 AM

I have a graduate degree and teach at a public university, so you can suck my dick. Faggot

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"tips are absolutely voluntary and UJustWait is a huge douchebag, but if the policy says on the menu that auto-grat exists, its not really a tip anymore, its a fee on top of the meal which is what half you people are always clamoring for anyways"

where in my posts did I ever say tipping was mandatory? All I've said is that if you're a server, you should auto-grat every time to avoid being stiffed. Jesus. How does that make me a dbag? God forbid you bust your ass waiting on an 8-top, running around taking care of them all night, and you want to get compensated for it. How on earth is that a bad thing? The point of the auto-grat is to protect the server from being stiffed. That's really the only reason it's justified and such common practice.

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"When I go out, I expect a certain level of professionalism"

Oh so you expect good service? well, i expect you to be ready to pay for it. Leave what you like, but if you want me to run around like your personal slave, expect me to want to be rewarded for my hard work.

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"I've worked my ass off, and was never stiffed a tip. Don't act like you know me."

ORLY? Never once? Every single table you've had has ALWAYS left you at least 15% or more? I'd love to know what fine dining establishment you work at that makes you immune from asshole customers and cheapskates. Must be some really coveted place. Where again do you work?



[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 7:32 AM. Reason : liars and cheapskates in this thread]

7/28/2012 7:17:03 AM

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"You're an English Major. You have no insight into what real work is."

this made me LOL.

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"I have a graduate degree and teach at a public university, so you can suck my dick. Faggot"

Hey now, this is getting a little offensive. At least call me a dyke.

7/28/2012 9:27:58 AM

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"i'm loving all the anti-social tools with thin pockets coming on here to attack me. funny that none of you actually waited tables, yet you have such insight into what the job is like"

Dude, you just don;'t fucking get it. NO ONE IS SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO TIP. Get that through your thick fucking skull. People ARE saying they don't want to be forced to give something that, by it's very definition, is VOLUNTARY. You, however, think that you are the fucking shit and should be given whatever the hell you want, when you want it, how you want it. You don't think you should have to actually work for something or have to earn a customer's respect. You expect, by virtue of you breathing and showing the fuck up to work and being able to count to 8, to be handed something. You demand to be given something that is a gift for good fucking service without actually having provided good fucking service.

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"sounds like you think you're ENTITLED to good service when you go out"

No, I'm not entitled to good service. But when I get it, I reward it, VOLUNTARILY.

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"no you are right, the menu says that hamburger is $10, but that is bullshit, i'm only paying $5!! Auto-grats are state on menu's so you know about them before you order and they are part of the price for your meal. you have a choice not to pay it by going somewhere else."

Only problem is, tips are voluntary. The price on the menu is NOT. Google the definition of the word "tip". It will say something about it being a gift. A gift is voluntary.

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"I have a graduate degree and teach at a public university, so you can suck my dick. Faggot"

Like he said, you have NO insight into what REAL work is.

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"All I've said is that if you're a server, you should auto-grat every time to avoid being stiffed. Jesus. How does that make me a dbag?"

How does thinking that you are entitled to a voluntary show of appreciation for good work no matter WHAT kind of service you provide make you a dbag? I don't know, maybe the fact that you are effectively stealing at that point.

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"God forbid you bust your ass waiting on an 8-top, running around taking care of them all night, and you want to get compensated for it. How on earth is that a bad thing?"

Wanting to get compensated is fine. Demanding a gift, is not. What people here are complaining about are the mouthbreathers like you who see an 8-top and then add on the auto-grat, knowing they won't have to provide any decent level of service and then go out and ignore the table for the whole meal.

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"Oh so you expect good service? well, i expect you to be ready to pay for it. Leave what you like, but if you want me to run around like your personal slave, expect me to want to be rewarded for my hard work."

Only one problem. You need to actually give that good fucking service and let the customer decide that you've actually given it, instead of YOU saying "I DID A GOOD FUCKING JOB, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THINK, ASSHOLE, NOW GIVE ME A FUCKING GIFT!!!"

7/28/2012 9:50:11 AM

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"Sure it sucks making minimum wage, however, I digress."

ehe.... it was $2.13/hr when I waited tables. I doubt it's changed much. This is far below minimum wage.

7/28/2012 10:22:58 AM