Are you on your own, or are we all in this together?

9/8/2012 3:56:29 PM

No, you are on your own.

9/8/2012 3:58:51 PM

Can anyone give me 3 policies Romney would like to implement if he were to become president?

9/8/2012 4:31:09 PM

here ya go.
http://bit.ly/QbTRdt

9/8/2012 5:34:30 PM

Quote :

"Sure, but I mean, you might as well vote for Mickey Mouse...or better yet, me."

My initial response was to vote for Mickey Mouse.

[Edited on September 8, 2012 at 6:43 PM. Reason : b =/= i]

9/8/2012 6:43:04 PM

I just voted for Ms. Wuf because I went to state and I love NC State.

http://www.capitalonebowl.com/home

9/8/2012 6:45:39 PM

I just want to elect somebody who has the power to exterminate Fox News. I don't think Romney would be the end of the world.


I'm not scared of Romney like I'm scared of George W. Bush. Romney is just a filthy rich mouth piece for conservatives. However, there was a stint where Obama was getting kicked around by republicans in the senate.

I do plan on voting for Obama. I'll prolly pull the big "D" lever for each candidate I can vote for.

9/8/2012 8:01:17 PM

“The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”

- H.L. Mencken

[Edited on September 8, 2012 at 10:53 PM. Reason : ?]

9/8/2012 10:53:28 PM

9/8/2012 10:56:09 PM

Quote :

"I just voted for Ms. Wuf because I went to state and I love NC State. http://www.capitalonebowl.com/home"

/thread

9/8/2012 11:00:02 PM

Eaton Bush, write-in votes for a presidential candidate won't count unless that candidate has write-in status; for example, if I attempt to write in a vote for a Presidential candidate, it won't count, while in your state, if nothing ballot-access related changes, the only write-in options are Virgil "not so" Goode and (new one) Jill Stein.

Quote :

"So the argument that a republican president is incapable of picking an unbiased Justice is a poor one."

It's not that they can't pick a neutral Justice, it's just that they don't want to (the Democrats are like this too, but more successful because the academically-minded types who end up being judges tend to be liberal, in fact the Justices, except the most recent partisan-vetted picks, have tended to become more liberal over their careers).

EDIT: Wow, things change quickly...turns out there are 6 write-in choices in Ohio, all Independent.

[Edited on September 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM. Reason : http://www.hamiltoncountyohio.gov/boe/inputdata/candidateissues/gen2012candidatelist.pdf

9/8/2012 11:08:41 PM

9/8/2012 11:11:20 PM

^^ What exactly are we calling "judicial bias?"

9/9/2012 3:15:23 PM

I think I'll vote for Romney, because I like his idea of America becoming a Mormon Oligarchy.

9/9/2012 3:21:28 PM

9/9/2012 3:27:58 PM

^ That is a great idea! You do that.

9/9/2012 3:56:51 PM

Though where it gives you the breakdown by issue, the things I care about most were the ones I most agreed with Obama

[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM. Reason : voting for Obama, obviously]

9/9/2012 3:57:04 PM

Eaton Bush

Quote :

"Why do all the Obama Care key monetary mechanisms kick in after the election? Why hasn't he done anything to reduce the deficit Why did he allow us to lose our AAA rating Why does he support traditional US enemies and alienate traditional Allies? Why does he continue to concentrate on wedge issues instead of the economy, jobs and deficit reduction? I don't trust Obama, I think that he IS trying to knock the US down a few rungs in order boost 3rd world countries. Just follow the money."

Quote :

"The only way to change things is to stay informed. Fact check everything"

9/9/2012 4:02:38 PM

and then vote for Romney.

[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM. Reason : thanks for the set up.]

9/9/2012 4:30:55 PM

nevermind

[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM. Reason : whatever]

9/9/2012 4:40:15 PM

Those topics are not relevant to the election.
Sound like interesting threads for you to start though.

9/9/2012 4:43:28 PM

no shit they aren't relevant, but you sound like a conspiracy theorist with the way you're using conjecture to support your narrative and then saying "check the facts," because you know better. i just decided i don't care enough to derail the thread, so carry on.

9/9/2012 4:49:48 PM

I don't know better so I read and research and don't take the word of the first source I come across.
Check their sources and make sure everyone isn't using the same source. I just look at everything with a skeptical eye and have found that combined with applying Occam's razor usually yields good results.

I have said many times that I am voting for Romney more to get Obama out of office. Even though I think Romney will be a fine President I know there are others out there that would be an even better President. However, those better people won't run and who can blame them. Look at all the shit they get put through.

9/9/2012 5:04:49 PM

it was more the use of "why do you think [this]? why do you think [that]?" to support a claim that obama is trying to boost 3rd world countries at the expense of the US when you just cherry picked a bunch of questions that don't have answers as cut and dry as you're attempting to make them seem through the use of your rhetoric. the conclusion you're reaching there is just as dubious as your questions. people should be skeptical, but skepticism needs to be met with rationality, and what i quoted from you just does not seem rational.

9/9/2012 5:15:10 PM

Oh, they are quite rational. Your reaction was not.

9/9/2012 5:23:56 PM

9/9/2012 5:26:30 PM

Quote :

"Oh, they are quite rational. Your reaction was not."

while i did respond with snark and hyperbole, seriously? you're implying that the answers to your questions are rational enough to support your hypothesis that obama is trying to boost 3rd world countries at our expense. when i can look at those questions and know that the answers are not nearly as simple as you are making them out to be through the use of your language, the conclusion being reached here cannot be rational.

9/9/2012 6:09:37 PM

So if these policies come at the cost of a huge tax hike that eventually lead to societal collapse ala France, no we will not be better off. No matter how many people are not denied health coverage.

9/9/2012 6:13:28 PM

^^^ Banning denying of coverage for pre-existing conditions is fundamentally contrary to how insurance works.

That could have been fixed by restructuring the tax code so as to stop encouraging employers from providing health insurance. Employer-based healthcare is stupid. Then, everyone could buy a healthcare policy, just like they'd have an auto/renter/homeowner's/etc policy, and when they changed jobs, they wouldn't be fucked if they'd developed a medical condition.

[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM. Reason : ^^^]

9/9/2012 6:15:10 PM

[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM. Reason : this guy is voting for Obama]

9/9/2012 6:18:12 PM

gary johnson motherfucker

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-5-2012/gary-johnson




[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 6:31 PM. Reason : fuck it, embed wont work]

9/9/2012 6:30:42 PM

Such foul language from a lady

9/9/2012 6:33:01 PM

my isidewith said Gary Johnson

he has no shot so i'll roll with voting for my dad again. i cant vote for the 2 main candidates since both choices are horrible

9/9/2012 6:33:41 PM

I am a lady on the streets ... but currently I am sick in bed so fuck it

9/9/2012 6:34:16 PM

Quote :

" i cant vote for the 2 main candidates since both choices are horrible"

I have to give props when props is due. You sir, have the right idea

9/9/2012 6:37:18 PM

^ seconded

9/9/2012 10:32:16 PM

If you can't bring yourself to vote for a winning candidate, voting for a 3rd party isn't a wasted vote. In many cases 3rd parties struggle to stay on the ballot requiring ridiculous signature requirements (which are often expensive to make happen) or high thresholds for performance in a previous election.

I've already made my case for why I'm voting for President Obama on page 2, but a 3rd party vote is not a wasted one, at least relative to someone who is not even running, since it helps 3rd parties stay on the ballot in future elections.

9/9/2012 10:46:00 PM

ever since Perot, legislation has made it harder for 3rd parties. And I would like to vote for the person I want to actually vote for.

9/9/2012 10:47:46 PM

3rd parties don't need to win--my (L) votes are to voice dissatisfaction with the GOP that abstention or write-ins just don't accomplish.

If the GOP fields a good candidate, I will vote for him. If the GOP runs a social conservative/big-spender/statist and the LP runs a kook, I just write-in "no confidence", as I won't encourage that behavior for either party. If the GOP runs a bad candidate and the LP runs a good one, then I vote (L).

That last scenario is what I feel like we have this year with Gary Johnson.


^ I would yield to the realities of the 2-party system in the case of a tolerable GOP candidate, even if there was a (L) that I liked a little better. However, I have decided that on a scale of -10 to +10, a candidate has to be at least a "0" for me to vote for him.

[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM. Reason : ]

9/9/2012 10:50:58 PM

9/9/2012 11:04:47 PM

Obama because he's a good role model for todays' troubled yutes.

9/9/2012 11:05:13 PM

Romney.

Because I have a lot of money and I hate the bible.

I also hate the poor, underachievers, and the downtrodden in general.

I hate old people too so if they get fucked on medicare I'll be vastly amused.

I can also relate to his social awkwardness and failed attempt at liking Nascar; happens to me daily.

I despise Obama because of his naivety. He knew the mess he was getting into and ran on the platform of fixing it. He could have done much worse of course, but what we're seeing today is far from what he promised.

That doesn't necessarily make him a liar, just an unrealistic idiot. At least with Romney you know exactly what you're getting; a rich jerk that thinks exactly as I do (see top of post).

I don't like politicians that keep me guessing; I judged Obama correctly the first time I ever heard him speak. That's all I need to know-

9/10/2012 4:09:45 PM

Quote :

"ever since Perot, legislation has made it harder for 3rd parties. And I would like to vote for the person I want to actually vote for."

how so?

9/10/2012 4:19:01 PM

Gary Johnson. It's a wasted vote, but any vote is, really.

9/10/2012 4:27:10 PM

^^
mr frog,
from what I gather ....
Ballot access laws make fees that make it difficult for 3rd parties to appear on ballots in many states

debates in other state and federal elections often exclude Independent and third party candidates, and the Supreme Court has upheld such tactics in several cases. The commission on presidential debates (CPD), and therefore can use their own discretion when selecting which candidates participate, these debates are important for candidates, and 3rd parties usually get left out. Perot was in the debates supposedly due to Bush's request ?


anyway, there are plenty of ways for the big guns to minimize potential threats.

here is info on the 1992 election that had Perot
http://www.opendebates.org/theissue/1992.html

some third party info

http://hlrecord.org/?p=10575

[Edited on September 10, 2012 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

9/10/2012 4:36:02 PM

http://features.pewforum.org/2012-political-party-identification-trends-more-republicans-gop/

some interesting trends amongst democrats and republicans

9/10/2012 4:39:43 PM

I'm voting Obama. He's a fan of the nittally lions.

9/10/2012 4:43:35 PM

I'll probably turn in a Libertarian ballot again. I even voted for Libertarian in the primaries in spite of my friend's protests that I should have used my vote for Ron Paul. I think the RNC justifies my decision.

http://www.ncsbe.gov/Default.aspx?s=0

Democratic: 2,761,425
Republican: 1,999,509
Libertarian: 15,937
Unaffiliated: 1,634,195
Total: 6,411,066

9/10/2012 5:15:31 PM

Leaning towards O'Bama. Due to we both share Irish heritage.

10/3/2012 7:12:14 PM

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