Ryan is explaining why he doesn't want the women's vote.

10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM

I flipped away for a sec, has Biden or the moderator mentioned yet that Obamacare does not fund any abortions?

10/11/2012 10:21:36 PM

Quote :

"Abortion is a meaningless wedge issue. It'll never be outlawed."

Saying shit like that is dangerous and naive.

10/11/2012 10:21:56 PM

Biden kindof fumbled the abortion question, but people who are against abortion weren't ever going to vote for Obama.

10/11/2012 10:21:59 PM

I can see this hurting these imaginary "gains" they've been touting among women.

10/11/2012 10:22:28 PM

^^^ that kind of attitude is how us North Carolinians got amendment 1

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM. Reason : .]

10/11/2012 10:22:37 PM

^ Exactly what I told the conservative I work with who says he doesn't worry about social issues because "nothing like that could ever happen"

10/11/2012 10:23:29 PM

ryan's inflections and facial expressions make it seem like he's reading a script in drama class

10/11/2012 10:24:52 PM

"Guys, this method of attacking your opponent isn't the right way to pursue the political race."

"Guys, let me tell you why Obama is a bad president and here's some statistics attacking his record for the last four years."

10/11/2012 10:27:03 PM

Quote :

"moron: Abortion is a meaningless wedge issue. It'll never be outlawed."

States are finding ways to limit access to abortion as we speak.

And we still do not have comprehensive sex education.

Things do not look good for women's health, reproductive health, and family planning.

10/11/2012 10:27:25 PM

^^It's called a record.

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 10:28 PM. Reason : -]

10/11/2012 10:28:00 PM

I'm just saiyan

don't say something is wrong, then immediately do that thing

10/11/2012 10:28:59 PM

Growing from the middle out, not the top down. There's a line the campaign has been using a lot. Not surprised to see that line juxtaposed to the 47% line in his closing thoughts.

10/11/2012 10:30:05 PM

While republicans are cutting tiny things to fix the budget, can we cut the millions we still spend on abstinence only sex education that get shown to not work over and over and over again?

10/11/2012 10:30:15 PM

I like how Biden ripped off the Jack Kennedy debate jab from Bentsen/Quayle.

He has quite the habit of ripping things off doesn't he?

Goes all the way back to the 60s.

10/11/2012 10:31:11 PM

How many times was the Fed mentioned?







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10/11/2012 10:31:56 PM

I look forward to reading a comprehensive, unbiased account of this debate complete with fact checking and accountability

...if I could only find one

10/11/2012 10:33:41 PM

Well now that that is over, Ryan can get back to his congressional campaign

10/11/2012 10:33:50 PM

Tomorrow is the voter registration deadline in North Carolina. Not too late for anyone who wants to register or update your registration.

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM. Reason : yes to the question below, you can go by your county BOE fill it out & turn it in before 5pm]

10/11/2012 10:33:55 PM

Does that include changing registration address?

10/11/2012 10:35:04 PM

lol, God.

10/11/2012 10:36:04 PM

CNN calling it a draw.

10/11/2012 10:40:37 PM

I think one of the biggest hits tonight was the moderator and Biden both pressing Ryan for specifics and him declining to give them. If it was just your opponent that's one thing, but with the moderator pushing more than once, that's going to hurt Ryan.

10/11/2012 10:41:12 PM

Yeh, the mod was completely unbiased.

10/11/2012 10:45:54 PM

Bans abortion.






Eliminates child tax deductions.



The mod was clearly biased to the right on foreign policy. Her quotes:

"Iran is the biggest threat to National security"

"Joe it sounds like you don't believe they want a nuclear weapon"

Those kind of opinions have no place coming out of a moderators mouth.

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM. Reason : jesus christ]

10/11/2012 10:46:38 PM

All the republicans are talking about Biden's mannerisms and the moderator, so that is a sure sign Biden won decisively.

10/11/2012 10:48:51 PM

Again, you people have no idea what a debate entails.

This wasn't an episode of Jeopardy.

10/11/2012 10:53:04 PM

Quote :

" TIME’s Michael Scherer: “Not sure debate cameras have been light tested for Biden’s teeth. Best to watch with sunglasses.” Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein: “Biden’s strategy seems to be to laugh at Ryan constantly. Will it work to infantalize Ryan, or backfire like Gore sighing?” (PHOTOS: Joe Biden over the years) NBC’s David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.” BuzzFeed’s Ben Smith: “So did Biden practice laughing at Ryan???” (PHOTOS: 11 insults about being vice president) ABC’s Rick Klein: “Biden on verge of breaking down in laughter when Ryan talks.” Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring: “Joe Biden needs to realize this isn’t a Senate Foreign Relations Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster.” (PHOTOS: 10 great debate moments) Radio host Neal Boortz: “Looking like Biden’s gameplan is to laugh his way through this.” Townhall.com’s Guy Benson: “Will Biden laugh his ass off at the terrible economy, too?” (See also: Complete coverage of the VP debate) MSNBC’s S.E. Cupp: “Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.” Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling.” (Also on POLITICO: 5 things to watch in VP debate) PBS’ Jeff Greenfield: “Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate.” Washington Examiner’s Paul Bedard: “Can’t tell yet if Biden’s smirking, laughs, eye-rolling, head shaking, works for him or not against the oh-so-young looking eager Ryan.” Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer: “Biden is at risk of having his laugh come across like Gore’s sighs. He should knock it off.” The New York Times’ Ashley Parker: “Biden’s grin is Chesire Cat caliber.” Republican strategist Ron Bonjean: “Biden laughing does not come off with the intended effect. It is actually hurting him. Looks very condescending.” Movie critic Roger Ebert: “Joe! Stop smiling and laughing!” Washington Times’ Emily Miller: “Biden laughing when he disagrees with Ryan is so annoying. Like a child in time out.” Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin: “Biden’s laughing is losing the debate- obnoxious” Comedy Central’s Indecision: “If this keeps up much longer, Joe Biden’s going to sprain his laugh muscles.” Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82313.html#ixzz2939nBooO "

In other news: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM. Reason : -]

10/11/2012 10:58:54 PM

Not ok for Biden to smile but ok for Ryan to roll his eyes and bob his head like a condescending prick. Got it.

10/11/2012 11:03:41 PM

If you're trying to compare the two, you obviously didn't watch it.

10/11/2012 11:17:01 PM

As someone not voting for either party, I thought Biden looked like an unintelligent, rude, blowhard and thought Ryan, while looking more composed, lacked a lot of content and really deflected some of the hard questions. In other words, business as usual. I would be shocked if this had anywhere near the impact the earlier presidential debate had. Anyone saying their guy won is clearly biased, nothing happened that was newsworthy and should cause any reasonable person to change their vote (yeah, reasonable people...not saying much)

10/11/2012 11:18:33 PM

Not a dog in this fight really ... don't care for either guy. Biden's laugh took away from the fact he was nailing Ryan on most everything. But Ryan's remark about Scranton's unemployment was like a swift kick to Biden's balls.

That said, I do think it's funny how all my republican friends were all HELL YEAH MITT'S ON FIRE last week. Tonight, they're saying "Ryan was a total gentlemen and Joe Biden was an arrogant ass." Biden was just a more amped up version of Romney last week ... arrogant, interrupting and annoyingly uncivil at times.

Seriously, you can't have it both ways people.

10/11/2012 11:19:01 PM

CNN saying Ryan won, 48/44

A sitting VP has never lost a debate before-

Funny we're winning these debates while talking less..

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 11:21 PM. Reason : -]

10/11/2012 11:19:47 PM

hhttp://www.cbsnews.com/

Quote :

"A CBS News/GFK poll of 500 uncommitted voters gives Biden 50% edge to Ryan's 31%"

Same guys who did the poll last time that everyone used to say Romney won, now saying Biden won this one pretty good.

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 11:24 PM. Reason : .]

10/11/2012 11:22:55 PM

Biden clearly won

10/11/2012 11:24:40 PM

Since Supplanter has literally posted identical things at nearly the same time in both of these debate threads, so will I.

Quote :

"Nice sample size. Let me go grab a college-ruled notepad and conduct a similar study here in my neighborhood."

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 11:28 PM. Reason : -]

10/11/2012 11:27:39 PM

Sounds like biden won this

10/11/2012 11:28:13 PM

I'll say one other thing before everyone forgets this VP debate even happened (because everyone will ... they always do). Biden was Biden. You knew what you were gonna get. He's the emotional, bumbling grandpa who seems to know everyone in town. He's a little crazy, but he's harmless overall.

But as someone who really liked the choice of Paul Ryan, he disappointed the hell out of me. He seemed completely scripted and robotic up there. He made some good points, but something about his tone wasn't appealing in the least.

In a weird way, he reminds me of this guy my sister used to date. He was always respectful around my parents. A little dull, but always said the right things. Then he'd turn around and be a gigantic asshole to my sister behind our back. Not sure why, but I kept thinking about that guy all debate.

10/11/2012 11:30:18 PM

That's nice. Very compelling.

10/11/2012 11:31:19 PM

tell us less

10/11/2012 11:32:13 PM

I dont get why thede debates are not decided by.how many times romney is called out for hiding his specifics on loopholes.

10/11/2012 11:37:02 PM

Debates are theater, that's why.

10/11/2012 11:40:10 PM

Maybe the Romney/Ryan campaign should just say hope and change instead. Worked four years ago.

10/11/2012 11:46:34 PM

I'm going to post in this thread alit and give you my opinion many times.

10/12/2012 12:17:11 AM

^^but the Rethug base doesn't want either

they want an AmurriKKKa where menz iz menz, wimminz iz wimminz, and all the nigras, heathens, and faggits know they place

10/12/2012 12:24:04 AM

Quote :

"Unfortunately Ryan is coming out looking more intelligent, professional, and mature."

He may have looked that way, but he sure didn't sound it. I don't think any non-Christian can vote for this pair after this statement:

Quote :

"They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion"

How can he seriously sit there and claim to be the victim of religious persecution when his entire social platform is based on forcing his religious beliefs into secular law?

Oh, and explain this to me Willy (and the rest of you trying to argue one way or the other who the "winner" was):

Quote :

"A sitting VP has never lost a debate before-"

The winner of a debate is the one who changes the most minds. There's no point system, no scoreboard. Sure one candidate can seem smarter (Biden) or more professional (Ryan) than the other, but the only way to score is to receive votes, and none of you know exactly how effective either of them were because every person posting in here has an agenda.

Quote :

"you people have no idea what a debate entails. This wasn't an episode of Jeopardy."

10/12/2012 1:10:45 AM

I watched the entire debate and got drunk afterwards. Here is my expert opinion:

The moderator (Willem Dafoe + a wig) was somewhat biased in her questions asking more foreign policy questions (Biden's strength) then economic questions (Paul's strength).

Biden smiled more, and was more willing to interrupt than Ryan was, resulting in a better overall public perception.

I was glad to see a direct address of the role of military and war in the American perspective.

The moderator also, interestingly enough, directly addressed the Catholic audience and their influence during this debate. A very interesting and volatile demographic indeed. From my experience they vote on one issue alone and that is abortion. The moderator did press on Romney's flip flop stance on abortion which could suggest a partisan agenda or just a really cutthroat moderator. Based on only seeing her this once I cannot decide.

But I know that Jim Lehrer must be pissed and Paul Ryan is probably holding a pistol to his temple right now. Politics is depressing like that.

10/12/2012 1:28:48 AM

Quote :

"In a weird way, he reminds me of this guy my sister used to date. He was always respectful around my parents. A little dull, but always said the right things. Then he'd turn around and be a gigantic asshole to my sister behind our back. Not sure why, but I kept thinking about that guy all debate."

he probably reminds you of that guy b/c that's exactly what romney/ryan are doing. did you not watch the 47% video?

10/12/2012 2:04:54 AM

Quote :

"mbguess: The moderator also, interestingly enough, directly addressed the Catholic audience and their influence during this debate. A very interesting and volatile demographic indeed. From my experience they vote on one issue alone and that is abortion."

I don't want to be sassy or anything, but I do want to make clear that this is emphatically untrue.

Catholics are a large, diverse group of people who vote for all different reasons.

10/12/2012 4:47:46 AM

Catholics and Jews are the most reasonable sect of modern day believers for sure.

I thought that Biden answered the abortion question beautifully: It seemed from the heart and unscripted. Ryan just said everything the fundamentalist christians want to hear, and that argument is getting tiring. Biden also answered the supreme court quest excellently as well, IMO.

I think that Biden's only big mistake was not thanking Ryan and the conclusion of his talk.

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 10:10 AM. Reason : z]

10/12/2012 10:10:12 AM