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"there doesn't seem to be much scientific support for this,"

agreed. you kinda have to consider the source here...

1/3/2014 10:19:32 AM

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"there doesn't seem to be much scientific support for this, and some units that stress training for it are having almost 100% pass rates"

From what is given, there are two, possibly three, standard deviations between the median man and woman. That counts as 'effectively cannot do pull-ups."

1/3/2014 1:15:03 PM

This pull-up craps is bullshit. I'm an active duty female Marine. It took 2 months of lifting weights and regularly doing pull-ups but I got to 10. Its hard for me to believe that 55% of women failed. There must be something grossly wrong with there training.

1/6/2014 4:28:00 PM

So, after a lot of hard work and being way above average, you can now pull up much less weight fewer times than the average Marine. Congratulations.

1/7/2014 3:11:48 PM

[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM. Reason : -]

1/7/2014 3:16:41 PM

^^ if there are policy faults, it's not her fault. She's just doing the best she can in the face of biology, and doing a pretty damned good job of it.

1/8/2014 12:39:44 AM

Absolutely. If she can 10 real pull-ups, she is a 1-percenter not just among women, but among Marine Corps women.

That is what makes (or should make) the bump against wider reality even more jarring. If the best we can hope for in physical terms is a sub-par male Marine, more questions come into play.

[Edited on January 8, 2014 at 6:45 AM. Reason : a]

1/8/2014 6:19:40 AM

Norwegian troops get unisex dorms

http://www.thelocal.no/20140324/norway-army-makes-men-and-women-share-rooms

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"The Norwegian Army has started making women soldiers share unisex bedrooms with their male colleagues in a bold, some might say dangerous, experiment. Surprisingly though, the women so far report a cut in sexual harassment. According to Ulla-Britt Lilleaas, co-author of the report "The Army: the vanguard, rear guard and battlefield of equality”, the women reported that sharing a room helped make them "one of the boys". "To them there was nothing strange about the unisex rooms," she wrote. "They had entered a common mode where gender stereotypes had disappeared, or at least they were less obvious." One woman soldier, who had purchased especially large underwear to minimize her sex-appeal, was surprised to find that rather than accentuate gender differences, sharing a room helped make them less relevant. “You have to be a team here, and then you have to live together in order to be able to trust in one another”, said one of the women, who concluded the rooms were a “damn good idea”. The move is the latest trail-blazing initiative from the Norwegian armed forces. In November, the forces announced that they would now serve soldiers vegetarian-only food one day a week in an effort to combat climate change. In August they announced that male recruits would be permitted to grow their hair long, so long as they kept it in pony-tails or braids, as is required for female recruits. Lilleaas and her co-author Dag Ellingsen compared the unisex camp with another training centre for the Royal Norwegian Navy, where women and men have separate rooms. “It becomes us and them, boys against the girls," Ellingsen argued. “Another problem with girls’ rooms is that they in some cases fall outside the information flow. And they are often characterized by conflicts and cliques.”"

3/25/2014 12:42:45 PM