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"I will tell any woman not to go walking around at 4 am alone. THATS COMMON FUCKING SENSE."

would you also tell any woman who was raped after midnight that she had it coming?

4/26/2013 2:21:49 PM

some of you people don't remember what it was like to be a student and have to stay at the library til the wee hours to get something done, especially at exam time.

4/26/2013 2:22:19 PM

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"Eliminate distractions while walking such as texting"

Exactly. My goodness.....never seen so many people walking around campus (at night) with headphones in and/or texting. I have been on campus in early evenings and in LATE nights (leaving the IM fields or the walking trail), and I just can't see how anyone thinks that's safe.

4/26/2013 2:22:58 PM

the sooner this world is ravaged by a pandemic the better.

4/26/2013 2:27:28 PM

People probably think they're safe because they grew up in a place where people don't commit crimes (like a cornfield). Go figure

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4/26/2013 2:27:52 PM

OK so being a student excuses stupidity? Even if you did have to pull a all nighter, a woman with good self awareness knows that its not a smart move. Yea no one SHOULD be out to rape, but if you're not walking alone with no protection you cant get raped.

4/26/2013 2:31:10 PM

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"some of you people don't remember what it was like to be a student and have to stay at the library til the wee hours to get something done, especially at exam time."

Of course we do. And it's precisely why the university has safety escort services.

4/26/2013 2:32:00 PM

I'm not sure why she needs an excuse. Are you or are you not saying that walking alone at 4am is asking to be raped?

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4/26/2013 2:32:54 PM

Are you or are you not trying to bait me into blaming the victim? I'm saying nothing good happens at 4 am on a dark campus. The end.

4/26/2013 2:36:13 PM

No matter how many rules are put in place, it will never be safe to walk alone at 4 am.

I think the university does owe the students some amount of protection on university property though. Kids focusing on their education shouldn't have to worry about being robbed or raped on the way back to their bed from the library.

There shouldn't be any dark spots on common walking paths, there should be cameras everywhere, and there should be roaming police officers at night on commonly traveled paths.

Everything in this WolfAlert places some amount of blame on the victim.

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"-Walk in well lighted areas -Walk in groups whenever possible, especially at night -Report suspicious people and incidents to Police immediately -Eliminate distractions while walking such as texting"

[Edited on April 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

4/26/2013 2:45:13 PM

^^you sound like an old coot on golo. "Nothing good ever happens after dark!"

4/26/2013 2:50:11 PM

^^^I just don't understand what you're complaining about. All you have done in this thread is point out the things that (in your opinion) she did wrong. I'm not trying to bait shit. You're the one who called her stupid.

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4/26/2013 2:54:40 PM

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"it isn't?"

I think of one being an unfortunate by product of the other...not it being the whole point/reason for the other.

4/26/2013 2:55:35 PM

i bet 5 girls have gotten raped in the dorms by guys they kinda knew and won't report since this happened. maybe you just shouldn't trust anyone at 4 am

4/26/2013 2:55:55 PM

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"Are you or are you not trying to bait me into blaming the victim? "

Why would he have to bait you into doing something you've already on your own done over and over again?

4/26/2013 3:03:46 PM

Oh yea anyone who dares mention that this "victim" didn't make the best decision is blaming her. Yall are fucking idiots if you think she couldn't have prevented this by being proactive with her security.

4/26/2013 3:27:13 PM

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"There shouldn't be any dark spots on common walking paths, there should be cameras everywhere, and there should be roaming police officers at night on commonly traveled paths."

so you're saying that this assault was a "false flag" in order for students to WELCOME a police state and being spied on 24/7?

[Edited on April 26, 2013 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/26/2013 3:42:10 PM

So you want more campus security but refuse to pay more tuition? Good luck with that.

4/26/2013 3:47:08 PM

Can we agree that they could be allocating their resources away from busting students drinking and doing more to prevent this type of stuff maybe?

4/26/2013 3:50:56 PM

No because imagine the amount of rapes if you have drunk vaginas walking around at 4 am.

4/26/2013 3:56:23 PM

and I would say that underage drinking leads to WAAAAAAY more rapes than walking across campus at 4AM

4/26/2013 3:59:12 PM

How about drinking in general leads to more rapes than anything else. Statutory rape is a totally different beast imo and not what this thread is about.

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4/26/2013 4:01:44 PM

It's never the fault of the victim and not all victims could have prevented being the victim of an assault. A rape that occurs at 4 am to someone who is walking alone is no less heinous and despicable that a rape that occurs in broad daylight.

That being said, I think everyone should exercise a modicum of self-protection. Don't walk alone at night, lock your doors, avoid low-light areas, etc.

4/26/2013 4:09:19 PM

^ True, but we all do things against our better judgement. As I said in CB, it was a calculated risk she took walking through there at 4AM. I am sure she knew it was a bad idea, but probably decided to go for it. She probably had the "it would never happen to me" mentality. It's no different than the many of us who have had 1 to many at the bar but decide to chance the drive home. We know it's a bad idea, but we figure we will be able to pull it off just this one time.

[Edited on April 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM. Reason : a]

4/26/2013 4:15:36 PM

People shouldn't be walking by themselves at 4AM if they can avoid it.

But it's a douchey thing to tell this to someone that was sexually assaulted, just after they were assaulted.

95% of the time, you CAN walk alone by yourself, at 4AM, without issue.

4/26/2013 4:15:43 PM

bbehe has just blaimed the victim

4/26/2013 4:18:04 PM

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"^ True, but we all do things against our better judgement. As I said in CB, it was a calculated risk she took walking through there at 4AM. I am sure she knew it was a bad idea, but probably decided to go for it. She probably had the "it would never happen to me" mentality. It's no different than the many of us who have had 1 to many at the bar but decide to chance the drive home. We know it's a bad idea, but we figure we will be able to pull it off just this one time."

That's apple and oranges.

I'm not sure how 'walking home from the library' should ever be considered the same as 'driving drunk' One is something you should be able to do safely without fear of harm, the other does not have the expected value of 'everything will be fine'

4/26/2013 4:21:31 PM

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"campus escort service"

4/26/2013 5:07:37 PM

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"so you're saying that this assault was a "false flag" in order for students to WELCOME a police state and being spied on 24/7?"

No, I'm saying that I would expect Public Safety to be doing their job.

Instead of warning people about the dark areas on campus, light them up.

Instead of telling people to walk in groups, during finals station a couple officers along a path from the library to the dorms.

Instead of having students call the escort service, have some vehicles waiting at common points, the library, dorms, etc..

I bet in the long run, it's a cost savings.

4/26/2013 5:16:20 PM

i was joking...i agree with you

4/26/2013 5:17:52 PM

Hahaha, well then.

I was fully ready for one of the conspiracy nuts to go apeshit about it.

4/26/2013 6:57:49 PM

They should bring back Student Patrol.

4/26/2013 7:07:41 PM

Did it actually happen at 4 am? Because I'm pretty sure it says reported. Granted, could've only been a few minutes between the report and when it ended.

Regardless, a lot of the comments on here are ridiculous. Walking on a school campus at 4 am doesn't mean she's to blame. Is a girl who wears a short skirt to blame? I could go on, but I'm tired. Ultimately, I realize common sense says to go with a buddy but to think people don't stay at the library late studying or something and walk back alone is unrealistic. Students shouldn't have to be scared walking around campus, or anywhere

4/26/2013 7:39:40 PM

I am really tired of people interpreting calling out someone for using bad judgement as the same as someone deserved any tragedy that occurred to them

[Edited on April 26, 2013 at 7:53 PM. Reason : ]

4/26/2013 7:51:26 PM

It's one thing to point out that she probably could have used better judgment and maybe avoided this by not being in that spot and saying it's her fault.

No one should have to worry about being assaulted or robbed, etc. but it does happen, so try to minimize the risk.

4/26/2013 7:56:52 PM

^^
Then pick a better time/place to talk about it.

In the real-world, the context of statements matter.

If you juxtapose someone being sexually assaulted with the statement "that person shouldn't have been walking by themselves" you're showing a gross lack of sympathy, which makes it seem like you're trying to dismiss the crime committed against them.

You wouldn't talk about cancer so flippantly around someone dying of cancer, or go to a funeral and talk about how bad a person is.

There's a time and place to say things, or a more sympathetic way to say something, and if you choose to ignore these realities, then be prepared to be called a dick.

4/26/2013 8:12:11 PM

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"Then pick a better time/place to talk about it."

This place is the asshole of the Internet. Seems like a good a place as any to talk about it.

4/26/2013 8:14:47 PM

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"if she was home in bed at 4am she wouldn't have been getting raped"

tell that to Kelly Dodson

4/26/2013 8:24:57 PM

complains about people saying a girl shouldn't be somewhere at certain times

will one day tell their kids they shouldn't be somewhere at certain times

4/26/2013 8:56:44 PM

They stopped student patrol??

In any event SPO ends at 3am and after that campus police to the escorts

And having escorts camped out at every location is asinine too much ground to cover there's like 4 campuses serviced and a few totally random locations that I was shocked to learn people actually used and worked in at the hours they did

Shit i remember one time a SPO got robbed while walking back the van after completing an escort over by UT got shot at and everything all up in a well lit area



[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 5:12 AM. Reason : B]

4/27/2013 5:09:24 AM

campus police to the escorts!

walking back the van

4/27/2013 8:18:36 AM

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"If you juxtapose someone being sexually assaulted with the statement "that person shouldn't have been walking by themselves" you're showing a gross lack of sympathy, which makes it seem like you're trying to dismiss the crime committed against them."

No, these are not mutually exclusive. I can be both sympathetic and recognize that her choices put her in a situation with an increased chance of something bad happening to her.

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"You wouldn't talk about cancer so flippantly around someone dying of cancer"

It depends. If it's someone who has smoked two packs a day for 40 years and has lung cancer, it's obvious that their bad decisions about smoking put them at an increased risk of lung cancer. Their choice of actions contributed to the situation. I wouldn't take the same stance with a kid with leukemia.

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"Then pick a better time/place to talk about it."

Is this not a forum for discussing current events and relevant interests? Where would you rather this discussion take place?

4/27/2013 8:54:21 AM

4/27/2013 1:01:06 PM

“She told me rape is like football, and if you look back on the game what would you have done differently in that situation?”

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"Two of the women who filed a federal complaint against the University of North Carolina spoke out against the school’s alleged mishandling of sexual assault cases Monday night on CNN. “She told me rape is like football, and if you look back on the game what would you have done differently in that situation?” said Annie Clark, describing a school administrator’s response to her sexual assault. Clark said she “absolutely” felt like she was being blamed for the crime against her. Another student of the university, Andrea Pino, told CNN that school officials accused her of laziness after she reported lasting trauma from being raped. Clark and Pino, along with two other students and a former assistant dean, filed a 34-page complaint earlier this year with the U.S. Department of Education. Clark accused the university of acting “with deliberate indifference.” One of the other students who filed the complaint, Landen Gambill, faced the threat of expulsion by the university’s Honor Court because of it. Her alleged rapist and ex-boyfriend claimed to be “intimidated” by the complaint, even though he was not named. Gambill filed her own lawsuit against the university on Monday. “In speaking out for change at UNC, Ms. Gambill is not ‘harassing’ or ‘intimidating’ her abuser, whom she has never named,” her attorney Clay Turner wrote to Chancellor Holden Thorp. “Rather, the university’s decision to press charges against Ms. Gambill has tragically provided her abuser with the opportunity to harass and intimidate her.”"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/25/university-of-north-carolina-student-administrator-told-me-rape-is-like-football/

4/27/2013 6:45:48 PM

^^^

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" if you choose to ignore these realities, then be prepared to be called a dick."

You're a dick, is what you're saying.

4/27/2013 6:59:39 PM

4/27/2013 7:17:41 PM

^^sadly, the only person sounding dickish is you

MORON: THE END-ALL-BE-ALL OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, AND WHEN!!1!

this point has been rehashed a million times. bad things are always going to happen, and the vast majority of the time will happen to people in vulnerable situations. you can be as PC as you want, but you're an idiot if you think people should blindly ignore risks because "it's not my fault if it does actually happen"

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"complains about people saying a girl shouldn't be somewhere at certain times will one day tell their kids they shouldn't be somewhere at certain times"

yep.

4/27/2013 7:24:39 PM

^ you're mostly wrong.

Read this: http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-75241622/

4/27/2013 7:40:55 PM

you seem confused. no one on here has addressed the victim directly.

and i'm also confused at YOUR confusion regarding your perceived lack of tact on TWW. you new here?

that article has zero bearing on this, regardless. this girl had a hell of a lot more say in her situation than someone with breast cancer.

ergo,

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"^ you're mostly wrong."

i am curious as to how you would advise your own children on how to avoid unsafe situations. or will you talk them into believing that regardless of the stupid decisions they make, they should automatically be absolved of any responsibility regarding their own safety and well-being?

wait, you're a raging liberal, so i already know the answer to that.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 7:49 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2013 7:46:59 PM

Also, everyone in the entire world knows that you're more likely to get robbed/assaulted when walking at night.

The only reason anyone would choose to repeat this after someone gets robbed/assaulted is to make themselves sound smarter to other people, as if they have some sage knowledge that no one else realizes. When the reality is they are just making themselves sound like an arrogant prick by loudly proclaiming what's pretty common knowledge.

That's yet another reason why you sound like a dick, when your first thought after hearing someone get's sexually assaulted was "well, you shouldn't have been there."

Same goes for that smoker with lung cancer. They have been told their entire lives they would get cancer, they may have even tried to quit at one point because of this, they KNOW why they're there. They don't need some self-righteous asshole who THINKS he has drank the mana of gods that bestowed him with the knowledge of "smoking causes cancer" to tell them that smoking does, in fact, cause cancer. They just need sympathy for their impending death.

If humans all made the perfect choices all the time, we wouldn't be human. The fact that this girl was even in college makes me think she's doing something right, and she has my sympathy for being assaulted, without my snide, thinly veiled judgment of "she shouldn't have been there".

Maybe she doesn't deserve sympathy, but i'd be a DICK for assuming she doesn't.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 7:50 PM. Reason : ]

4/27/2013 7:49:48 PM