6/27/2013 12:31:03 AM

6/27/2013 12:32:32 AM

6/27/2013 12:33:52 AM

God Bless America and the North Carolina state dog that hunts bears...



Victory mane.

^Get in where you fit in mane...don't sweat my nuts, nahmean?

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM. Reason : bweez is lame dawg, yadig?]

6/27/2013 12:35:21 AM

Also it was a media cover up that they kept saying that Trayvon went to go buy skittles and iced tea. He went to buy Arizona brand Strawberry Drink.

Even after the DA called it "fruit juice" in opening arguments and showed the picture, Nancy Grace still kept talking about dude getting killed over Skittles and Tea.

This thread was never meant to be a shit talking thread, I really just wondered if anyone else had noticed that. However, next time I make a thread, it will be a thread to DISS NANCY GRACE. I've been fucking her up on twitter lately

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM. Reason : I'll see you trolls later. And fuck you to the one guy who would never answer!]

6/27/2013 12:38:58 AM

god damn bo' words words words words words

Your trolling started out quixotic, now its just WORDS WORDS WORDS.

I want to fuck the racism out of Paula Deen's tits now...YOU WIN MANE

6/27/2013 12:44:17 AM

as jackleg says goodbye for the 12th time...

6/27/2013 12:46:11 AM

like a whisper in the wind

6/27/2013 1:02:24 AM

Paula Deen repeatedly called me a cracker the last time I was in her restaurant, so this doesn't surprise me at all

6/27/2013 2:26:10 AM

Did she really?

6/27/2013 2:31:30 AM

She might have just been offering me crackers, but I can't be certain. Either way, I didn't care much for her tone.

6/27/2013 2:42:05 AM

Paula deen has been raked over the coals and Trayvon Martin hasn't because someone high on the corporate media ladder deemed it more likely to produce ratings (and therefore profits) for it to be this way.

6/27/2013 7:04:07 AM

I can't stop watching this trial, specifically this witness. She just said that "Creepy ass cracker" is not a racial term. Aha.

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 9:43 AM. Reason : ooh, she's getting huffy now]

6/27/2013 9:40:18 AM

Dude Paula Deen is an old as white southern woman. she grew up calling black people niggers. it probably took her a while to start calling them "coloreds". back in the day that's just what black people were called. hell i remember talking to my great gan-daddy and he called black people niggers 'till the day he died. he didn't mean it in a bad way. One of his best friends was Nigger Joe. He had black people working in the tobacco fields and in the farm house. I'm sure Paula Deen just wanted to re-live the old days. This whole thing is blown out of proportion.

6/27/2013 9:45:34 AM

Totally. How dare anyone be upset with her wanting to reenact the days where blacks were property for her own amusement!

6/27/2013 10:20:05 AM

6/27/2013 12:53:59 PM

I dig the overreaction to this shit. Hopefully the more overreacting we do, the less people use racial slurs and stigmas. Maybe putting stupid bigots like Paula Dean in her place will speed up the process.

6/27/2013 1:03:26 PM

Saw this on fb, ecard:

"If we can punish Paula Deen for something she said 25 years ago, can we punish Barack Obama for the drugs he did 25 years ago?"

6/27/2013 1:40:00 PM

Quote :

"Dude Paula Deen is an old as white southern woman. she grew up calling black people niggers. it probably took her a while to start calling them "coloreds". back in the day that's just what black people were called. hell i remember talking to my great gan-daddy and he called black people niggers 'till the day he died. he didn't mean it in a bad way. One of his best friends was Nigger Joe. He had black people working in the tobacco fields and in the farm house. I'm sure Paula Deen just wanted to re-live the old days."

seriously??

6/27/2013 1:49:02 PM

^ well i made an assumption about the Paula Deen part

6/27/2013 1:53:48 PM

^^^ 25 years ago? Not quite.

In the future, I suggest you don't repeat text from ecards as if it's accurate.

6/27/2013 1:54:18 PM

Pretty sure they were just sharing. If they are like me they do not believe everything on fb verbatim

6/27/2013 2:55:14 PM

i hate when people take paula deen's actual comments, extrapolate out what they THINK she meant, and then throw in the allegations, and roll that all up to equal actual fact. like that stupid fucking image synapse posted on the second page with her "comments" in quotations. comments that were actually allegations made by the plaintiff, but strangely, NEVER ASKED ABOUT IN THE DEPOSITION. the attorney for the plaintiff never asked, "Did you say XXX?"

and the part about the slave parties. reread the deposition, people.

also, trayvon may have been racist, he may not have been. but the reason it's different is because trayvon was a 17 year old black kid no one knew, and paula deen is a celebrity. there are different standards, whether it's fair or not.

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 4:12 PM. Reason : dsf]

6/27/2013 4:11:35 PM

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"like that stupid fucking image synapse posted on the second page with her "comments" in quotations. comments that were actually allegations made by the plaintiff, but strangely, NEVER ASKED ABOUT IN THE DEPOSITION. the attorney for the plaintiff never asked, "Did you say XXX?" "

Wait what? Have YOU read the deposition? She was asked about those comments, and outside of the n word, she admits to saying that.

Quote :

"And I remember telling them about a 24 restaurant that my husband and I had recently 25 visited. And I'm wanting to think it was in 2 Tennessee or North Carolina or somewhere, and it was 3 so impressive. The whole entire wait staff was 4 middle-aged black men, and they had on beautiful 5 white jackets with a black bow tie. I mean, it was 6 really impressive. 7 And I remember saying I would love to 8 have servers like that, I said, but I would be 9 afraid that somebody would misinterpret. 10 Q The media might misinterpret it? 11 A Yes, or whomever -- 12 Q Okay. 13 A -- is so shallow that they would read 14 something to it. 15 Q Were they dressed in white shorts and 16 bow ties? 17 A No, they were dressed in white jackets. 18 Q White jackets? 19 A Dinner jackets. 20 Q And a bow tie? 21 A And a bow tie and black trousers, and 22 they were incredible."

It goes on for a number of pages...

http://savannahnow.com/deposition-paula-deen

6/27/2013 4:28:38 PM

yeah, i read all 149 pages, from the first word to the last. i didn't just read the excerpted sections.

when you put a quote up like you did on the last page, it is important that it be properly attributed, and it wasn't. she never testified to referring to those waiters as niggers, and in fact when directly asked about it she said she would never refer to them that way, because they were intelligent and professional black men.

she never used the word slaves, that was the lawyer for the plaintiff - but he didn't need her to say it, he needed it to be said in the deposition. it was good lawyering.

according to her deposition, here are the facts: she went to a restaurant with her husband and saw black men dressed in white dinner jackets and was impressed by the look and service; she was in her bathroom/dressing room talking to the plaintiff who was going to be in charge of catering her brother's wedding, most likely in between takes of her show; she mentioned the restaurant and thought it would be a good look, but that she could never do that, because the media or the public would pick up on it and think she was racist.

now, what is disputed is whether she said black men (which she claims in her depo) or niggers (which the plaintiff claims) when referring to the waiters.

you can combine everything together, like i said, and make it into a fact if you'd like, but that's not the case. that's a legal closing argument. with all the parsing of words about facts in this thread, it might be a good idea to stick to them - especially because there are plenty of people who may not have read the entire depo, and have no idea that what you put on the previous page is not something she admits to saying, and in fact actually disputes.

none of us actually know if paula deen was lying and said the thing of which she is accused or the plaintiff is lying, or some weird mashup of the two, or if the parties are saying what they remember but actually have a different recollection of the same events.

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 4:44 PM. Reason : yui]

6/27/2013 4:39:58 PM

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"she never testified to referring to those waiters as niggers, and in fact when directly asked about it she said she would never refer to them that way, because they were intelligent and professional black men."

I mean...

she's implying that they were some of the "good ones"

6/27/2013 4:46:51 PM

So you read every single word, except the text that I quoted above? How's that even possible? That discussion goes on for like 15 pages. Have you read every word now?

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"now, what is disputed is whether she said black men (which she claims in her depo) or niggers (which the plaintiff claims) when referring to the waiters."

From my reading, that's the only part of the statement I posted which is being disputed. She disputes using the word in that conversation, but admits to using it in others. ok.

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 4:53 PM. Reason : ]

6/27/2013 4:52:18 PM

^^yeah, that's a great point. she was doing the old chris rock routine, in essence. and making that argument is perfectly acceptable.

if she thinks that these men weren't niggers because they were intelligent and professional, then that means a certain category of black men in her mind are labeled that way. if i was the plaintiff's attorney i'd make that exact point at trial. of course, if i was her attorney, i'd argue that if she distinguishes between different types of black men based on characteristics other than race, she is not a racist in general.

^actually, no...the part about tap dancing around in shirley temple days as well. it's not disputed she said something about liking the look of the black waiters and wanting that look at the wedding. but her saying "I think those black men looked great and I want that at Bubba's wedding" is a far cry from "I want a plantation wedding with a bunch of little slaves serving." Those two things are very different - one is not racist at all, the other is obviously racist. And the subtle differences in language, intent, demeanor, and circumstances are what determine that.

she also never admitted to using it in conversations beyond repeating what others had said after the 1986 incident. i personally find that really hard to believe, but then again i also don't get why the plaintiff's lawyer wouldn't have challenged her directly about quotes ms. jackson attributed to deen. like, if there are times your client has said she used that language, you should call her out directly and see how she responds.a

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 5:00 PM. Reason : dsf]

6/27/2013 4:52:58 PM

Quote :

"^^yeah, that's a great point. she was doing the old chris rock routine, in essence. and making that argument is perfectly acceptable. "

as it was pointed out on the Daily Show last night, there is a reason why Chris Rock is able to do that routine and Paula Deen/Michael Scott isn't

this isn't rocket science

6/27/2013 5:05:48 PM

Quote :

"actually, no...the part about tap dancing around in shirley temple days as well. it's not disputed she said something about liking the look of the black waiters and wanting that look at the wedding. but her saying "I think those black men looked great and I want that at Bubba's wedding" is a far cry from "I want a plantation wedding with a bunch of little slaves serving."

She wasn't asked if she said Shirley Temple explicitly, but she did say that restaurant reminded her of a certain time in American history. I wouldn't say that's being disputed.

Quote :

"A Well, it -- to me, of course I'm old but 4 I ain't that old, I didn't live back in those days 5 but I've seen pictures, and the pictures that I've 6 seen, that restaurant represented a certain era in 7 America. 8 Q Okay. 9 A And I was in the south when I went to 10 this restaurant. It was located in the south. 11 Q Okay. What era in America are you 12 referring to? 13 A Well, I don't know. After the Civil 14 War, during the Civil War, before the Civil War. 15 Q Right. Back in an era where there were 16 middle-aged black men waiting on white people. 17 A Well, it was not only black men, it was 18 black women. 19 Q Sure. And before the Civil War -- 20 before the Civil War, those black men and women who 21 were waiting on white people were slaves, right? 22 A Yes, I would say that they were slaves. 23 Q Okay. 24 A But I did not mean anything derogatory 25 by saying I loved their look and their"

It doesn't appear she was asked about the tap dancing either. Not sure that means it is being disputed. Perhaps it will come up later.

Quote :

""I want a plantation wedding with a bunch of little slaves serving.""

The comment I posted doesn't mention the word slaves. The deposition does.

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 5:14 PM. Reason : ]

6/27/2013 5:10:48 PM

^^i personally think that excuse is bullshit, but that's just my opinion. (i mean the excuse that black people can say shit and white people can't, and that makes something de facto racist or de facto acceptable.) of course, my opinion on that kind of stuff clearly colors my view of the unknowns in this scenario.

i thought that the segment on the daily show was being played entirely for laughs because it's easier. my girlfriend, her mom, and i had a long conversation last night about the double standard issue.

^no, i was just giving an example of two contrasting statements, not your quote specifically. and again, the deposition doesn't say slaves...the plaintiff's attorney did. he asked her if she wanted a southern style wedding, and she agreed. he then used the word plantation, and got her to agree in substance, although she never said plantation. and then he kept going to clarify that in the civil war days, the people who served on plantations were slaves. he used the words slave and plantation, not her. but again, the point was to get things into the deposition, so they would be quoted later in the news. and that's exactly what happened.

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 5:16 PM. Reason : edited]

6/27/2013 5:10:49 PM

Quote :

"now, what is disputed is whether she said black men (which she claims in her depo) or niggers (which the plaintiff claims) when referring to the waiters."

that's all you see wrong with that quote?

6/27/2013 5:13:33 PM

how people still whine about black people being able to say a word while others aren't blows my mind

do you seriously not understand why it's that way?

6/27/2013 5:19:28 PM

^ its part of the Equality argument. Do you really want equality? If so, it is a conversation we need to have, it goes both ways.

6/27/2013 5:25:26 PM

^are you being serious

or just hanging out, socializing, and just generally screwing around?

6/27/2013 5:26:57 PM

there's a simple problem. if a single word is indicative of racism, then it cannot be based on who says it, or in what scenario.

as jackleg was mentioning, the word cracker was used by trayvon. if we say a word = racism, then you cannot take into account who is saying it. if you are saying that a black person using a word is acceptable and a white person can't, then you are taking into account additional information. the logic of the argument should then be that if you take into account one factor, you should take into account others, such as tone, overall demeanor, circumstances, intent, etc. but i'll stop, i don't want to divert the thread too much.

[Edited on June 27, 2013 at 5:37 PM. Reason : d]

6/27/2013 5:37:12 PM

I wouldn't say it's diverting anything. If anything, it's an improvement over drunknloaded's trolling, albeit only a slight one

6/27/2013 6:14:57 PM

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"Why is Paula Deen a huge racist while Trayvon Martin isn't?"

Did we determine whether or not the whole premise for this thread is a joke or not?

6/27/2013 6:18:48 PM

Unburden yourself from the white guilt, synapse

6/27/2013 6:33:20 PM

Quote :

"Did we determine whether or not the whole premise for this thread is a joke or not?"

The OP admitted it was a troll thread, so I guess so

6/27/2013 7:06:46 PM

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"^ its part of the Equality argument. Do you really want equality? If so, it is a conversation we need to have, it goes both ways. "

That's cute. DoubleDown wants it to be acceptable for him to say "nigger"

6/28/2013 8:31:57 AM

Quote :

""Why is Paula Deen a huge racist while Trayvon Martin isn't?""

I think you mean, Trayvon was a racist.

6/28/2013 8:35:03 AM

What about certain liberal celebrities communication threats (repeatedly) on Twitter and nobody cares?

I think I'd rather be a racist operating within the law than a "socially acceptable" psychopath.

6/28/2013 10:35:54 AM

whenever i read this thread title i say "ass cracker" and it makes me laugh

6/28/2013 11:38:51 AM

6/29/2013 12:33:16 AM

^that mug looks like he's riding a bike with a camera on the handlebars

6/29/2013 12:43:46 AM

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/paula-deen/herbed-cheese-and-cracker-bits-recipe/index.html

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/paula-deen/georgia-cracker-salad-recipe/index.html

6/29/2013 12:46:43 AM

^^

yadig?

6/29/2013 12:57:35 AM