Quote :

"So can you tell me how your version of nationalized healthcare would work?"

the most similar comparison i can think of would be France's system, where private and employer provided healthcare exists alongside universal coverage

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM. Reason : and they pay less for it]

10/1/2013 12:31:13 PM

what about that cash upfront system?

a person walks into a healthcare facility to see a doctor, pays a smaller amount because they don't have 5 people just for filing insurance, and then if they do have insurance, a retroactive compensation will happen from the insurance company to the consumer.

That way you cut out the need for the educated people to be behind a desk and file insurance things.

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 12:38 PM. Reason : it's called Direct Primary Care (DPC)]

10/1/2013 12:34:29 PM

So in this system, if I wanted to choose my own healthcare, would I still qualify for subsidies, or would I have to go with the universal coverage to get any subsidies to help? Or would the universal coverage be so cheap that I wouldn't need subsidies?

Seems to me though that it still wouldn't be a single payer system.

10/1/2013 12:36:35 PM

. Just Wikipedia French national healthcare if your curious how it works

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ^^admin costs are a pretty small part of qhy we pay so much for so little]

10/1/2013 12:38:55 PM

I want to know how he's going to pay for it beyond the typical lefty "military cuts" shtick.

He isn't even creative.

10/1/2013 12:39:18 PM

the closest DPC facility is in SC though
http://www.dpcare.org/practices

10/1/2013 12:39:23 PM

^^ France pays less than we so, not more

10/1/2013 12:40:27 PM

I hope you mean per capita.

10/1/2013 12:41:21 PM

i thought that was clearly implied

(its also less by % of GDP)

10/1/2013 1:04:44 PM

Quote :

"The National Science Foundation — which funds 2,000 research institutions, including astronomy observatories, and science and technology centers, as well as millions of dollars in research grants each year — was gravely affected during the last shutdown. Approximately $120 million in research grants went unmade during that time, delaying the support of approximately 2,000 people to carry out research and education activities. Additionally, 240 grant proposals for science and engineering research and education went unprocessed each day of the shutdown, resulting in a backlog of 3,000 grant proposals, 1,000 of which would normally have been accepted. Dozens of panels, meetings and workshops were canceled."

bummer for a lot of grad students

10/1/2013 1:49:43 PM

http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/

Honor flight vets just knocked over the barriers at the WWII memorial to get inside, #shutdown or no. pic.twitter.com/T4bx8kvFYj

— Leo Shane III (@LeoShane) October 1, 2013

No sign of folks leaving. The vets have control of the memorial. #shutdown pic.twitter.com/eGj4kmFEiP

— Leo Shane III (@LeoShane) October 1, 2013

10/1/2013 2:23:57 PM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/we-the-people-temporarily-disabled

What a bunch of clowns. We're expected that you can't fund the operation of this site, but you can afford to keep the servers hosting the website up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_Syndrome

Cut parks, museums, and other highly visible and wildly popular services first. Then the teachers, firefighters, etc. At the very bottom of the list, there is prohibition, empire, and the rest of the shit that is actually bankrupting us.

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2013 2:26:40 PM

^Wow, the Obama administration is pouting like my daughter when I tell her she can't watch anymore cartoons.

10/1/2013 2:28:59 PM

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"No sign of folks leaving. The vets have control of the memorial."

hell yeah

10/1/2013 2:32:23 PM

Quote :

"No sign of folks leaving. The vets have control of the memorial."

very, very awesome. finally citizens taking action instead of just posting on facebook/twitter.

10/1/2013 2:35:36 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_Syndrome

the edits to this wikipedia entry and the talk page are interesting

especially this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Washington_Monument_Syndrome&diff=557288876&oldid=557198571

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM. Reason : lol]

10/1/2013 2:37:25 PM

who actually takes seriously the people who edit wikipedia articles as a hobby?

10/1/2013 2:38:23 PM

haha it just makes me laugh, especially when I notice it's a tdubber

[Edited on October 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2013 2:39:23 PM

They shut down the WWII Memorial? Wow.

I'm sure it costs them a lot more to put up barriers and station mall (pun) cops to ward people off than it would to... just let people walk around on some concrete.

10/1/2013 3:08:51 PM

A bunch of WWII vets that came to DC on one of the Honor Flights ignored the barricades and toured the memorial...good for them.

10/1/2013 3:10:25 PM

Just saw that all intercollegiate athletic competitions are suspended.

10/1/2013 3:13:17 PM

Dont worry, $AMZN got this:


http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/10/01/amazon-to-deliver-70000-holiday-jobs/2899899/

10/1/2013 3:18:38 PM

if the gubment really wanted to cause an uproar, they could say that all NICS background checks are suspended

10/1/2013 3:44:20 PM

http://governmentdownforeveryoneorjustme.com/

top lel

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

10/1/2013 5:43:34 PM

the list of stuff shut down today is a good starting place for where to start cutting money

10/1/2013 6:04:37 PM

10/1/2013 6:09:41 PM

Quote :

"the list of stuff shut down today is a good starting place for where to start cutting money "

nope

10/1/2013 6:33:32 PM

it's all "non-essential"

10/1/2013 6:34:53 PM

nope

10/1/2013 6:36:02 PM

seriously? pubmed?

10/1/2013 7:07:01 PM

Non-essential means "if these people stop working things will break immediately".

10/1/2013 7:08:23 PM

If I have to hear or see,

So if the guberment shut down that means I don't have to pay taxes,

One more time I'm going to kill someone

10/1/2013 7:09:22 PM

So if the guberment shut down that means I don't have to pay taxes?

10/1/2013 8:04:25 PM

So if the guberment shut down that means I don't have to pay taxes?

10/1/2013 8:09:21 PM

10/1/2013 8:15:01 PM

what a goober

10/1/2013 8:27:15 PM

I just realized that ncstateccc is probably actually supporting Cruz for president, I don't think he is trying to be funny

(although that actually makes it funnier, so maybe it doesn't matter)

10/1/2013 8:42:15 PM

I came to tww looking for a dick waving contest, attempting to speak on shit that, let's be honest, Congress doesn't even really understand what they're talking about - I doubt any of us do either

10/1/2013 8:58:12 PM

Knowing what you're talking about doesn't win elections, the ability to emotionally manipulate large groups of people does.

10/1/2013 9:12:58 PM

10/1/2013 9:13:30 PM

I only watch Fox News. Whats this shutdown you speak of? #Slimdown

10/1/2013 9:20:07 PM

^^^^
http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-who-understands-8-of-obamacare-vigorously-defe,34022/

Quote :

"SEATTLE—As debate continues in Washington over the funding of President Obama’s health care initiative, sources confirmed Thursday that 39-year-old Daniel Seaver, a man who understands a total of 8 percent of the Affordable Care Act, offered a vehement defense of the legislation to 41-year-old Alex Crawford, who understands 5 percent of it."

10/1/2013 9:22:32 PM

So everybody's insurance has gotten considerably more expensive, right?

10/1/2013 9:31:15 PM

(2013)

10/1/2013 9:39:51 PM

Quote :

"So everybody's insurance has gotten considerably more expensive, right?"

my sister's is going to be less expensive

10/1/2013 9:51:03 PM

Quote :

"Knowing what you're talking about doesn't win elections, the ability to emotionally manipulate large groups of people does."

10/1/2013 9:53:49 PM

^^ I honestly don't see how mine wouldn't be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper.

10/1/2013 9:55:33 PM

if you are a healthy male in your 20's your premium may increase on average, but for other groups they will likely see some savings. it just depends on who you are and what kind of insurance history you have.

10/1/2013 9:59:16 PM

This is when someone is driving to work, and there's a car coming directly at them in their lane. That's not a game of chicken. That's an asshole causing a head-on collision.

10/1/2013 10:27:50 PM

What I love is a girl I work with is a total right winger, but has no opinion of her own - her family just tells her what to think.

Her brother has a severe handicap and is paralyzed from the waste down.

She is completely oblivious that this is only helping her own fucking brother and just gets a dumb look on her face when you bring it up.

10/1/2013 10:31:10 PM