Psycho!

5/25/2014 11:45:49 AM

It's very informative.

5/25/2014 11:49:11 AM

What was the first video about?

5/25/2014 12:23:33 PM

Sociopath T

5/25/2014 12:26:20 PM

aha, red baron 22 is like TWW's Dexter

5/25/2014 12:45:52 PM

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"It's very informative."

Thank you, I appreciate that.

As far as psychos and remorse, they often have little to no remorse or compassion for their victims. Occasionally they may feel remorse if their actions hurt a loved one, but it is usually short lived. They will stab a friend or loved one in the back in a heart beat to meet their own needs first. If a psycho does feel remorse for a crime, it is generally not remorse for the victim (No empathy) it is remorse for themselves. They are mad they got caught, are being charged and punished. They feel they are above the law and system. They will FAKE remorse to a judge, counselor, parole board etc because it helps THEIR situation and needs. They don't give a damn about the victims or those they hurt, but they present a charming and convincing front to those that can benefit them. Even a trained counselor can be fooled by the con of a convincing psycho, which is why knowledge of criminal psychology is important.

Most psychopaths are NOT killers. They are con men, they are thieves, they want your money, they are career criminals or they may not be a criminal at all. They may be regular business men, or family men, but they display the traits of psychopathy. I say men because for some reason, psychopathy mainly affects only men.

Psychos who kill often do it for two main reasons: a) it was the only way to ensure their needs were met (backed into a corner, risk of getting caught), or (b) they enjoy it and it excites them.

Jason Young, the former NCSU grad who killed his wife Michelle, is a text book psycho. He was tired of being married, so he kills her. It was to ensure his needs are met, not giving a damn about the victim or her life. It was a means to an end to make himself happy. He had no intent on getting caught, and he planned and covered his tracks well.

A psycho serial killer, or an Eric Harris mass murderer does it because it excites them. It is acting out their superiority beliefs. It is control over another person whom they could care less about. It is being above the rules. Eric Harris was playing God because it excited him and he felt superior and vengeful to those he felt beneath him. he was living out his wrath and hate of those he deemed inferior.

A psycho killer, like a psychotic, may leave a manifesto, and they may sound similar to each other. But one needs to examine the personalities, thought process, and motives first to figure out which side of the coin the killer is.

A psychos manifesto is bragging about their superiority. They will often send the police clues to taunt them. To match wits with the law. They feel they are superior, and can win the game of chess. Anything they reveal is by CHOICE, they are NOT trying to get caught. They would never reveal their true intentions. If they do release their intent, it is often to be found after the deed is done, as a legacy to themselves. Psychos may believe that they are a god, but they don't believe that they are God. They generally do not cry for help or leak stuff to friends hoping subconsciously to be caught.

A psychotic manifesto may sound similar as far as superiority, but there is usually an element of depression, persecution complex, loss of touch with reality, delusions, conspiracies plotted against them, preoccupations or fixations, bizarre writing and word choices or syntax, disorganized thoughts, suicidal ideations, bizarre ideas, believing that they are not human or truly are God, and other odd ideas.

A self aware person struggling with psychosis may cry out for help before they act (this is common with suicide). They are more inclined to post publicly their intentions and feelings. They may leak more specific details about a plot. A psycho does not want to be caught and will cover their tracks, a psychotic may be more sloppy.

Again, these terms are on a spectrum. Psychopathy is not even considered a mental illness by some, but rather the way a persons brain and thought process is hard wired from birth.

---Id also like to point out that all of my info in this thread is based on my knowledge n research, I have Googled or Wikipediaed NOTHING.---




[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 12:52 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2014 12:50:32 PM

So would you say the song Psycho Killer is aptly named, or would it be better termed Psychotic Killer?

5/25/2014 1:29:54 PM

I deal with both psychopaths and suffers of various forms of psychosis on a daily basis. I have a lot of first hand experience dealing and speaking with them

5/25/2014 1:36:34 PM

Yet the question remains.

5/25/2014 1:54:26 PM

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"This is the ultimate "nice guy" and a clear case of PUA culture gone wrong: http://www.independent.com/news/2014/may/23/shooting-isla-vista/"

Most PUA discussion I've seen actively disparages the "nice guy" stereotype. Can you elaborate on this point?

5/25/2014 2:13:28 PM

EMCE touched on it. There is a tremendous amount of resentment towards women among those men who actively want to manipulate them. It appears that it contributed to his belief that he should be "getting chicks," and that women were inferior objects that responded to the manipulation of other men but not him--and that's not fair!

Men who pursue women sincerely as an "art" are already pretty pathetic, but when you add in the Asperger's, apparently low IQ, and other mental conditions, this guy's a disaster.

5/25/2014 2:30:57 PM

I would like to touch on another myth of the school or even work place mass shooter...They were pushed and bullied and they just one day SNAPPED.

This could not be further from the truth. In fact in all my research I did not find one incident that could be chalked up to "snapping". For the purpose of this piece, I define "snapping" as basically an unplanned spontaneous decision to act out violently. Little to no premeditation.

What kills me the most about the so called analysis of mass shooters by the media talking heads, is how little they actually know and how far up their asses their heads are. It is ALWAYS a search for easy answers and simple reasons to blame. Guns, bullying, teasing, video games, family, music, Marilyn Manson. etc. Even when they occasionally get it right, they never delve deeper into it. "How did this normal kid snap and do this?" they ask...

The simple fucking answer is that THESE ARE NOT NORMAL PEOPLE. Mass shooters are NOT normal, normal people very seldom do this kind of thing. The overwhelming majority of shooters are deeply disturbed mentally ill people. The most common category is Psychotic shooters, ones who were diagnosed or displayed various psychotic traits.

These people did not snap. Every normal person growing up in school has faced some difficulty. We were all called names at some point, or picked on by an older or bigger kid. We all faced rejection at some point growing up, we all felt awkward or like we didn't fit it. It is a normal part of growing up. To millions of well adjusted kids, they deal with it, get over it, and handle it without going on a mass rampage.

But, to a non-well adjusted kid with some kind of metal illness, these common stresses are multiplied. Even to a psychotic kid who has friends and is well liked (Dylan Klebold, had friends, girlfriends, played sports, went to prom etc), they still perceive that they are hated and don't fit in. They can perceive that everyone is having more fun, or other guys do better with girls. In their head, they feel much more outcasted than they often are. They feel alienated and picked on, even if it is not really the case.

To a very very disturbed psychotic (Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho), they are already not well adjusted and have poor social skills. They don't fit in from the start, but then see every slight, joke or failure against them as exponentially worse than a normal person. Yes kids can be cruel, and can pick on them for the lack of social skills, but these slights are multiplied by the extreme. When you factor in schizotypal traits like delusions, paranoid delusions, conspiracies against them, god complexes, depression etc, than these slights or bullying becomes toxic. It is not bullying alone, it is a tragic combination of factors in the wrong person that can build to a plot.

When you add in the culture script of a mass school shooting, now these kids have a path to follow. They have a way to right their perceived wrongs and lash out at their perceived oppressors. They have a way to feel violent, masculine and powerful, after feeling marginalized.

Its sad, but this is the truth. Anyone trying to pass off a mass shooting (that isn't terrorist or political in motivation) as an easy answer is a moron. It is a multi faceted combination of elements in the right person and circumstance that can lead to tragedy.

---Id also like to point out that all of my info in this thread is based on my knowledge n research, I have Googled or Wikipediaed NOTHING.---

5/25/2014 3:21:18 PM

^im with this guy

5/25/2014 3:32:59 PM

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"EMCE touched on it. There is a tremendous amount of resentment towards women among those men who actively want to manipulate them. It appears that it contributed to his belief that he should be "getting chicks," and that women were inferior objects that responded to the manipulation of other men but not him--and that's not fair!"

Seeing other people as objects that can be manipulated like anything else in the world is classic sociopath behavior. That isn't an attribute of "pick up artists" as a group, although I'm certain that many men who think of themselves as pick up artists are, in fact, sociopaths to varying degrees. If women sleeping with dozens of men is sexual liberation, why should men with the same desire be called misogynist?

5/25/2014 3:37:41 PM

Im a brilliant criminal psychologist

Read all my posts in this thread for some knowledge

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2014 3:37:58 PM

Criminal minds itt.

5/25/2014 3:40:29 PM

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"Seeing other people as objects that can be manipulated like anything else in the world is classic sociopath behavior. That isn't an attribute of "pick up artists" as a group, although I'm certain that many men who think of themselves as pick up artists are, in fact, sociopaths to varying degrees. If women sleeping with dozens of men is sexual liberation, why should men with the same desire be called misogynist? "

being extremely sexually active and gaming/manipulating someone into sleeping with you are not always the same thing...

5/25/2014 3:48:35 PM

lets start replacing sociopath with psychopath ok. It fits in with my other posts better

5/25/2014 3:52:37 PM

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"being extremely sexually active and gaming/manipulating someone into sleeping with you are not always the same thing..."

Sure, I agree with that. Unless you're some kind of sex god, being extremely sexually active with many partners does involve quite a bit of work. Whether we call that "work" gaming or just being outgoing/attractive is really just semantics.

5/25/2014 3:56:18 PM

Just heard he did a citizens arrest on his roommate for stealing 3 candles. How does this tie into his mental diagnosis. I think he was just a weirdo, control freak that couldn't live with the fact that no one like him.



[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 3:59 PM. Reason : lol ]

5/25/2014 3:56:49 PM

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"Sure, I agree with that. Unless you're some kind of sex god, being extremely sexually active with many partners does involve quite a bit of work. Whether we call that "work" gaming or just being outgoing/attractive is really just semantics."

Come on, man.

Some people have sex based on normal human interaction without actively, consciously manipulating the other party and seeing them as less than human.

Discussing on the internet at what point one should be subtly mean about a woman's weight or hair in order to feed off her insecurities and get her in bed is standard PUA misogyny, bordering on sociopathy.

5/25/2014 4:25:32 PM

^^ stop giving him the attention he wanted

5/25/2014 4:27:14 PM

Byrn Stuff telling it like it is

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 5:16 PM. Reason : i can take a few of these out]

5/25/2014 5:14:54 PM

^^He's not alive to receive it, so what does it matter, unless you are suggesting we have a copycat in our midst who will feed solely off TWW E-fame for motivation.

5/25/2014 5:15:54 PM

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"Discussing on the internet at what point one should be subtly mean about a woman's weight or hair in order to feed off her insecurities and get her in bed is standard PUA misogyny, bordering on sociopathy."

Okay, but that's not really what pick up is all about. It shouldn't be about manipulation, it should be about self-improvement which, in turn, makes you more confident and attractive.

I'm not going to deny that there are communities where tactics like "negging" are broadly encouraged, but I think (this is based on no data, obviously) that is mostly a caricature. At the core of "PUA" is a requirement that if you want to have better luck with women, you need to become a better person. The target audience is the dudes who spent their formative years playing video games and need to do a lot of catching up in terms of social development.

5/25/2014 5:16:21 PM

The damage is done, CNN is gonna talk about this for a month, and in < 6 months we will have another mass murder. Guns are not the problem, mental health is the problem. I know no one missed the story about the high schooler that ran through his high school randomly stabbing people.

5/25/2014 5:17:43 PM

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"^^He's not alive to receive it, so what does it matter"

the next person is seeing this attention, and seeing his manifesto spread through the media and internet

this will keep happening until we stop giving attention to these people

5/25/2014 5:50:19 PM

I'm about 80 miles from where those shootings happened. Tragic, but Jesus it's gorgeous in Pismo Beach right now

5/25/2014 5:55:18 PM

I realize that red baron 22 hasn't searched Wikipedia for the info. he posted ITT, but he should gather up his sources and improve the Wikipedia articles on topics like psychopathy and mass murder, for the betterment of the Internets (then again if it's all his own research, he'd only be able to use whatever has been published in a peer-reviewed journal by now, because of Wikipedia's policy against original research).

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"What was the first video about?"

It was called "Elliot Rodger's Retribution" and it showed him sitting in his parked car planning a "Day of Retribution" with a much higher body count than he ended up tallying; it was taken down from YouTube for ToS violation, but it was re-uploaded on LiveLeak here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fd_1400921453

5/25/2014 5:57:14 PM

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"d357r0y3r: Okay, but that's not really what pick up is all about. It shouldn't be about manipulation, it should be about self-improvement which, in turn, makes you more confident and attractive. I'm not going to deny that there are communities where tactics like "negging" are broadly encouraged, but I think (this is based on no data, obviously) that is mostly a caricature. At the core of "PUA" is a requirement that if you want to have better luck with women, you need to become a better person. The target audience is the dudes who spent their formative years playing video games and need to do a lot of catching up in terms of social development."

It's definitely for social idiots, but it's not about being a better person. It's about trading diet/fashion tips with other dudes while you brag that you got a drunk, lonely woman to suck your dick after you were kinda rude to her. And it absolutely dehumanizes women as targets for potential sex and nothing more. Plus, it's just ridiculous and embarrassing.

5/25/2014 6:14:32 PM

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"Okay, but that's not really what pick up is all about. It shouldn't be about manipulation, it should be about self-improvement which, in turn, makes you more confident and attractive. I'm not going to deny that there are communities where tactics like "negging" are broadly encouraged, but I think (this is based on no data, obviously) that is mostly a caricature. At the core of "PUA" is a requirement that if you want to have better luck with women, you need to become a better person. The target audience is the dudes who spent their formative years playing video games and need to do a lot of catching up in terms of social development."

Okay. This is a glossary page from the most popular pick up artist site on the web.

http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/terms-of-importance-great-for-new-members-vt3077.html

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"BF DESTROYER—noun [boyfriend destroyer]: a pattern, routine, or line a pickup artist uses with the intention of seducing a woman who has a boyfriend. "

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"FREEZE OUT—verb or noun: to ignore a woman to make her seek validation; usually used as a technique to counter last-minute resistance. "

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"SYNESTHESIA—noun: literally, an overlapping of the senses, such as smelling a color; in seduction, a name given to a type of waking hypnosis in which a woman is put into a heightened state of awareness and told to imagine pleasurable images and sensations growing in intensity. The goal is to arouse her through suggestive, metaphorical talk, sensations, and imagery. Also: hyperemperia. "

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"TIME DISTORTION—noun: originally a hypnosis term referring to a subject's loss of awareness of how much time is passing, it also refers to the pickup technique of making a woman feel she has known a pickup artist longer than she really has. Examples of time distortion include taking a woman to several different places over the course of a night or having a woman imagine future events and adventures together. Also: future pacing or future events projection. "

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"NEG—noun: an ambiguous statement or seemingly accidental insult delivered to a beautiful woman a pickup artist has just met, with the intent of actively demonstrating to her (or her friends) a lack of interest in her. For example: "Those are nice nails; are they real?" 2. Verb: to actively demonstrate a lack of interest in a beautiful woman by making an ambiguous statement, insulting her in a way that appears accidental, or offering constructive criticism. Also: neg bit. Origin: Mystery. "

Pretty much the entire community reeks of entitlement to women's bodies and misogyny.

There's nothing wrong with self improvement - but that can be worked on without treating women like objects/Xbox Live Achievements that must be hypnotized into sleeping with you.

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"Plus, it's just ridiculous and embarrassing."

indeed



[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 6:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2014 6:18:03 PM

not enough soul patch

5/25/2014 6:32:49 PM

ahahaha

5/25/2014 7:31:05 PM

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"the next person is seeing this attention, and seeing his manifesto spread through the media and internet"

Perhaps, but I'm only discussing this on TDub, so are you suggesting the next killer walks among us?! I think that quashing the discourse on this board (what little is left) will ultimately fall short of the goal of preventing the next mass murder.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27562917

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"Sheriff Brown said that after leaving his apartment, Rodger had gone to a sorority house, which houses female students, and hammered loudly on the door. They did not open the door..."

Ouch! Rejected again!

5/25/2014 9:16:56 PM

I've been meaning to report HUR to the authorities for some time now.

5/25/2014 9:22:03 PM

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"Perhaps, but I'm only discussing this on TDub, so are you suggesting the next killer walks among us?! I think that quashing the discourse on this board (what little is left) will ultimately fall short of the goal of preventing the next mass murder. "

you are giving them page views and youtube views for every story you read

pretty simply concept

5/25/2014 9:27:45 PM

I can admit that this is a rather silly argument.

I understand the concept, but unfortunately it will be equally as effective as those "gas-out" events where a small group of people pledge not to buy gasoline for one day in an attempt to effect some national or global change. Unless you can coordinate on a massive scale with high participation rates and truly change LONG-TERM behaviors, then I wish you good luck in actually changing anything of consequence.

I would definitely have to agree that media exposure plays a large role in all of this, but I don't really believe that the next killer is out there checking YouTube views right now until they reach some magic threshold for which I MAY have contributed a single view. "Oh, okay. 565,781 views! Guess I'll kill everybody after all!" And in fact, my view was wiped when the video was removed for terms of service violation. I mean, point made, I guess, but I'm going to continue to discuss it on this message board, as this has been interesting discourse so far, and is one of the few active topics we have.

5/25/2014 9:41:54 PM

This argument is retarded. Just imagine of one woman had taken one for the team.

5/25/2014 9:45:56 PM

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"Rodger had gone to a sorority house, which houses female students,"

5/25/2014 9:54:32 PM

#YesAllWomen

http://www.policymic.com/articles/89925/27-inspiring-feminist-tweets-fighting-back-against-elliot-rodger-s-blatant-misogyny

5/25/2014 10:12:31 PM

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"I understand the concept, but unfortunately it will be equally as effective as those "gas-out""

or voting

5/25/2014 10:12:46 PM

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"#YesAllWomen http://www.policymic.com/articles/89925/27-inspiring-feminist-tweets-fighting-back-against-elliot-rodger-s-blatant-misogyny"

Being a woman sounds awful.

5/25/2014 10:29:43 PM

it seems like you guys either don't know the game or are pretending to not know the game or are just really moral people. women are not objects but their sex definitely is and so is a mans sex but because of supply and demand women are giving theirr sex out like loans. it can be frustrating since theres no application process and they only deal it out when they are drunk. girls end up like china at the end of the night with all of this cash to invest somewhere.

this is not all women but a specific type of girl that is found on many college campuses but its worse in isla vista/goleta.

these girls are 100% picky and don't think they will fuck at alll when they are sober unless its their boyfriend (who is just the last guy they woke up next to) so any game you drop before midnight is often pointless. this is where "nice guys" are putting in work but getting frustrated. once the drunk time hits you only have a little while to close the deal and get out of there before the wolves rush in and take/runoff every drunk chick

12-2am guys flood in to wherever your are. this is like flooding the market. at this point the girls decision making has been drunken to a pulp but they've stayed glued to their friends all night and avoided all guys by cockblocking each other

some of the guys are predators/wolves. they look like models and have elite skills. they are in and out pretty quickly. Once a wolf gets into a group and takes 1 girl out then every drunk girl in that group realizes she has no protection, no way home, and is not the hottest girl in her group. now shes going to let the first opportunistic secondary consumer in easily. Pretty soon they have all either left in their groups or been picked apart and 80% of the guys that very well could have gotten laid just didn't hit the lotto that night.

everyone knows this and to a newb you can walk into a ucsb party at 9pm and its like 90% chicks. guys know its pointless because even if you make a good impression, its going to be erased in the blackout.

I'm not saying this is every girl either. This is the greek culture and its combined with the ego of santa barbara. its easy to get laid every now and then if you will resort to that but still not something that can happen every night unless you're a wolf.

guys sex is item too don'think i'm sexist. all of this is reversed if you end up in a closed system where there are more willing chicks than willing dudes.

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 10:32 PM. Reason : its all market economics. commmodity exchange. ]

5/25/2014 10:31:24 PM

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"or voting"

I partially agree. In fact, I considered using that comparison as well, but made a conscious decision not to be that outwardly cynical. Incidentally, I continue to vote, even though I realize that a single vote can be futile in our political system.

But let's get back on track. Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

5/25/2014 10:40:14 PM

Judging by what you just wrote...you seem like the next Elliot Rodger.

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 10:42 PM. Reason : ^^ this lame]

5/25/2014 10:41:30 PM

i'no way. im not in college and don't live in sb anymore. i was never mad but its just another one of those facts male and female mellennials have to face. we were brought up thinking monogomy was based on true love and fairy tale type shit.

kinda like how i also know that your job standing is not based on how hard or how well you work but the perception of how hard and well you work along with ass kissing

or how getting a job is more about picking a marketable degree and not at all about becoming great at what you love.

or how our government is not of the people by the people but of the corporations for the corporations

doesn't mean i'm going to shoot up a work place or politician just because i recognize those things. I just can understand why people are frustrated and could be pushed into this ill mental state though. I'm surprised the entire population doesn't recognize all of the things i've stated. (ok now you guys are going to say i'm acting superior)

i'm not sympathizing or condoning him either. i just understand the environment that made him feel the way he felt

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 11:02 PM. Reason : blame society. society is the bully. ]

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM. Reason : can also see how muslim garb and prohibition would seem logical]

5/25/2014 10:59:42 PM

Dude, he lived in a community for special people.

He was not a typical dude frustrated that he didn't get hot chicks to do porn stuff because he couldn't figure out cocaine.

He shouldn't have even been interested in bwning lots of women...that's like the opposite of what he should be interested in.

He shoulda been looking at dinosaur bones and shit and randomly done it with some lady who also digs dinosaurs.

But it looks like he was too fucking dumb for dinosaurs and utterly narcissistic.

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM. Reason : ]

5/25/2014 11:36:52 PM

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"Judging by what you just wrote...you seem like the next Elliot Rodger."

5/25/2014 11:42:56 PM

So how did this guy get his weapons? We know Adam Lanzas mom was a gun but that let him play with guns. This guys parents knew he was crazy, I can't imagine they encouraged fun ownership for him.

5/25/2014 11:46:21 PM

I think I read all weapons were purchased legally

[Edited on May 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM. Reason : ]

5/25/2014 11:56:17 PM