Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
3 pages of rases shit clint 8/13/2014 1:11:59 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^one of the eyewitness accounts has the cop right beside the kid when he shot him, not 35' away" |
35' away from the car8/13/2014 1:20:51 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
I can't believe that this dude's soundcloud account has not blown up with posts and comments yet. You would think that his shit getting discovered might be the only silver lining here.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 1:22 PM. Reason : d] 8/13/2014 1:22:17 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25532 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "both accounts have the kid already being shot before he surrendered. The officer continuing to shoot is pretty fucked up if it turns out to be true though." |
Sorry...that's what I meant to say. No need to continue to shoot once he had surrendered.8/13/2014 1:34:23 PM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "both accounts have the kid already being shot before he surrendered. The officer continuing to shoot is pretty fucked up if it turns out to be true though.
the accounts seem to line up with the kid mouthing off to the cop while jaywalking, cop stops the car to harass/arrest them, kid attacks him through the car, gun gets fired in the car, friend runs away, fight falls out into the street, kid gets shot. Altercation should have ended right there, but the officer proceeds to shoot the kid to death even though the threat is gone." |
eleusis: "What part of the false narrative can I stick to so I can still act like I'm right? I know - the 'kid attacks him part' !"
god you are such a fucking sheep/shill
you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. Even if the kid grabbed the policeman, or made any menacing move towards him - WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT IS THE CASE - it would be SELF DEFENSE because the policeman attacked him first by slamming the car door into him and by grabbing him and trying to pull him into the car. If you fucking race baiters can get away with the idea that what George Zimmerman did was self-defense, then you don't get to change the definition as it suits you to say that a civilian minding his own and trying to get away from an assault is all of the sudden an aggressor.
POLICE DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM TO ASSAULT CITIZENS AT WILL
ATTEMPTING TO FLEE FROM UNPROVOKED ASSAULT IS NOT ASSAULT8/13/2014 1:59:38 PM |
Sayer now with sarcasm 9841 Posts user info edit post |
easy with the personal attacks there hero, heaven forbid someone else has a different point of view than you 8/13/2014 2:06:54 PM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
^ 8/13/2014 2:08:51 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
looks like the police pissed in someone's cornflakes this morning 8/13/2014 2:09:34 PM |
y0willy0 All American 7863 Posts user info edit post |
from 35 feet away no less 8/13/2014 2:13:56 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
It's white privilege that you aren't affected more deeply by grave injustices. 8/13/2014 2:22:02 PM |
y0willy0 All American 7863 Posts user info edit post |
of course it is 8/13/2014 2:28:10 PM |
eyewall41 All American 2262 Posts user info edit post |
Apparently they can gas you in your own yard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qXhtvd0o2Fw 8/13/2014 2:43:34 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
how much of a dumbass do you have to be to believe a cop is going to try to pull a kid that looks like he weighs 250lbs into the front seat of the cop car? total fabrication on the part of his friend.
everything about this case screams "kid tried to push cop into the car to keep him from getting out". 8/13/2014 2:51:56 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
it's totally believable that the cop would grab the shirt of a teen who was not respecting him and pull him towards his car 8/13/2014 2:54:40 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
not after he'd tried to open the door, which is the way the account from his friend goes. no cop should be stupid enough to try to detain a suspect by pinning himself inside his own vehicle. 8/13/2014 3:00:54 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
my bad, i forgot you already knew exactly how this went down 8/13/2014 3:06:31 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
don't know how it went down, just know that you're explanation doesn't fit eyewitness accounts. 8/13/2014 3:17:41 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
the only eyewitness account it doesn't match is the cop's
and how exactly is the cop's claim that Brown shoved the cop back into the car more believable than other eyewitnesses?
and it still doesn't explain why he shot him a few more times away from the car
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 3:22 PM. Reason : .] 8/13/2014 3:19:35 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, but cops that screw up are notorious liars.
Considering we KNOW the kid was killed far from the cop, and was unarmed, this alone impugns the cop. Add to it he was likely surrendering, and the Ferguson PD's history of blatant systemic racism, and their very poor reaction to this issue, there would have to be some big bombshells in the investigation to exonerate this officer. 8/13/2014 3:46:33 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.teabreakfast.com/ferguson-police-caught-video-calling-black-people-animals/
These cops are pretty shameless. They seem to have been openly provoking the mourners from the beginning to escalate this into a protest/riot situation. How has the state or federal government not stepped in to stop this? This is a pretty absurd situation. 8/13/2014 4:00:23 PM |
acraw All American 9257 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zta9FyoA7TU
Anonymous ain't fucking around. 8/13/2014 4:49:25 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "the only eyewitness account it doesn't match is the cop's" |
doesn't match the eyewitness account of the friend standing right beside him. the officer tried to get out of the vehicle before the fight at the door started - not some arrogant cop grabbing the kid by the collar like you described.
Quote : | "Considering we KNOW the kid was killed far from the cop, and was unarmed, this alone impugns the cop." |
kid was killed far from the vehicle, not the cop. the male neighbor witness claims the officer was right beside the kid when he shot him.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 5:10 PM. Reason : .]8/13/2014 5:09:07 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "doesn't match the eyewitness account of the friend standing right beside him." |
what eyewitness report conflicts with the friend beside him beside the cop's?
god you are fucking retarded8/13/2014 5:19:47 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25532 Posts user info edit post |
so according to anonymous:
Quote : | "@TheAnonMessage AUDIO TAPES: Officer's first move was to call for crowd control. Did not report shooting, did not call for EMS. #Ferguson #MikeBrown" |
Quote : | " @TheAnonMessage · 2h AUDIO TAPES: Dispatcher: Be Advised, [shooting] information came from the news...we just called #Ferguson they don't know anything about it." |
That...does not sound good8/13/2014 5:30:28 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
Call me racist, i dont care, i am not. From what I can gather:
Black culture is very clear on the hatred of the police.
Cops generally react with excessive force when confronting black people.
I 100% do not see an end to this untill black culture begins to respect police and simultainiously police don't over react at every interaction. Both sides have a lot to risk and a lot to lose. I think its here to stay. 8/13/2014 6:36:26 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Well at least you don't mind being called a racist, you dumb fucking racist. 8/13/2014 6:38:00 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
Haha thanks for stepping up to the plate.
Just calling it how it is, we are all subject to racism at all times. Nobody is ahead of anyone, we are all behind. 8/13/2014 6:40:06 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
You're somewhere towards the back 8/13/2014 6:40:56 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
I don't get how what I said is racist, i think it was an honest observation. What is racist is rejecting an honest observation and wronglfully labeling a person racist becuase you disagree. Thank Allen West for my viewpoints on this.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 6:47 PM. Reason : I'm done.] 8/13/2014 6:45:47 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
You realize, in ferguson, police stop WAAAYYY more blacks than whites, even though a higher percent of the whites stopped actually get charged? That for a county that's mostly non-white, most of the leadership is white? You realize nationwide, blacks get treated more harshly than whites for the same crimes?
What makes your comment racist is that even though all the evidence points to the fact that it's not black culture that doesn't respect police, it's the police and the judicial system that treats blacks unfairly, which in turn generates distrust of police by blacks.
And it was the police (and white culture) that started this process. Start from the 50s and 60s and move up, there was never a point in time when the police treated blacks fairly. There's countless stories of blacks being blamed for crimes they didn't committ, cops turning a blind eye to hangings and draggings, beatings, burning down buildings etc.
Blacks historically have had great reasons to distrust the judicial process and there's stills LOT of progress yet to be made.
You may not be racist in the sense of hating black people, but you're plain ignorant by thinking this is a problem created by blacks. The burden is on society and police forces to reach out to black communities theyve oppressed throughout the years. 8/13/2014 6:56:31 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
I get what you are saying. All I said was both black culture and police have problems. And it will not end anytime soon. Just an observation, not placing blame, not ignorant, just stating observation.
Now if I placed blame, then yea I get it. But I didn't.
separate note: Good read. I 2000% support the demilitarization of police. It's no longer police work if you have tacticle vehicles and belt-fed weapons. If you need that stuff, call the Feds.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 7:11 PM. Reason : V] 8/13/2014 6:59:38 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25532 Posts user info edit post |
I posted this on the last page, but it seems pretty relevant to the last few posts on this page...so here it is again. It's long, but worth the read.
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913
^ I think the argument is that black people have a strong reason to distrust police (and the legal system as a whole). It's justified.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 7:00 PM. Reason : m] 8/13/2014 6:59:57 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
OMG
http://mic.com/articles/96152/this-cop-just-showed-everyone-how-to-really-stop-and-frisk 8/13/2014 7:01:47 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
You did place blame though, it's not equal and opposite between the black community and police. Since police are the ones with power, and are civil servants, and created this problem in the first place, the burden is theirs to fix.
In this case, the guy allegedly had his hands up and was surrendering. What other "respect" should he have shown? They left his body in the streets for 4 hours. How should the community react?
Where people held vigils, they surrounded them with riot gear and automatic weapons, even though just a very small number of people looted the day before. The police in this case don't seem to be making a shred of effort at showing any respect or remorse. 8/13/2014 7:05:19 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
I don't place blame, you did. People should have more power than the state. I believe that with all my heart and soul.
The burden is placed upon all of us to fix racism. You have to walk with me stride for stride, take the first step together. No one can tell the other to take the first step.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 7:18 PM. Reason : I really do get your points, I didn't place blame] 8/13/2014 7:16:29 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
In a functioning democracy, the people are the state.
It was us, the people, that oppressed blacks. It was us, the people, that created a legal system that treats a group of our own unfairly.
And it's us, the people, using our collective power in the form of government (and other ways) that need to work to fix this problem.
the people of Ferguson are doing a good job. You have overwhelmingly peaceful protesters being taunted by militarized police, having a cop yell "come at me you fucking animals" and so far, they haven't reacted to this provocation. 8/13/2014 7:23:40 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
I agree we the people need to fix the problem. I think we agree ALL politicians exploit the divide to get predicted outcomes. That is what keeps them in power and gets their pockets lined for generations, both red and blue.
We the people is what is right, I don't think our elected officials have our best interest in their hearts. They eat this mess up, the less united, the more they retain. 8/13/2014 7:34:13 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
You said that the problem won't stop until black people change their culture, until black people change.
Not only does that imply blame, but it's a completely ineffective position because it ignores the very real reality that they are disproportionately impacted by police and the judicial system and distrust is reasonable.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM. Reason : tl;dr you are racist, and I'm amazed you haven't choked on your tongue] 8/13/2014 7:40:16 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
You left out the seccond half where I say the police are at fault too and need to simultaneously change. You could be implemented as a race baiting racist for ignoring the whole statement.
[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 7:56 PM. Reason : I'm glad I impressed you.] 8/13/2014 7:55:27 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
I could be implemented?
holy fuck you are stupid 8/13/2014 8:04:42 PM |
y0willy0 All American 7863 Posts user info edit post |
dtownral doesnt hate black people
he only hates homeless black people, obese black people, and black people wearing cargo shorts 8/13/2014 8:36:03 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
8/13/2014 8:39:35 PM |
acraw All American 9257 Posts user info edit post |
I have never seen the word implemented, implemented in a sentence like that before. 8/13/2014 8:51:49 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Two reporters were arrested for "trespassing" at a McDonald's that they were paying customers at. Seems like a reasonable action by a PD under scrutiny. 8/13/2014 9:25:07 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41753 Posts user info edit post |
Link? 8/13/2014 9:26:57 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Call me racist, i dont care, i am not. From what I can gather:
Black culture is very clear on the hatred of the police.
Cops generally react with excessive force when confronting black people.
I 100% do not see an end to this untill black culture begins to respect police and simultainiously police don't over react at every interaction. Both sides have a lot to risk and a lot to lose. I think its here to stay." |
you say this as if there is a level playing field8/13/2014 9:27:18 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5676829 ^^ 8/13/2014 9:29:54 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
The governor needs to take over, the city and county have lost control 8/13/2014 9:40:26 PM |
acraw All American 9257 Posts user info edit post |
Live feed from reddit http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/ 8/13/2014 9:44:34 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148438 Posts user info edit post |
North Carolina doesn't look so bad 8/13/2014 9:54:09 PM |