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"A pit bull is as bad as person raising/owning it."

Nope, wrong.

A gun has zero potentially to suddenly "snap" as unfortunately dogs do.

"But he was such a nice and loving family pet for 12 years..." Nope. Wrong. It was in his brain / genes to randomly freak out that one time and that's all it takes.

8/27/2014 11:41:03 AM

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" It identified preventable factors in the fatal incidents. They found that the most common contributing factors were: absence of an able-bodied person to intervene, no familiar relationship of victims with dogs, owner failure to neuter dogs, compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (e.g. mental disabilities), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (e.g. dogs kept chained in backyards), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs, and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs. Furthermore, they found that in 80% of the incidents, 4 or more of the above factors co-occurred."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

8/27/2014 11:43:14 AM

^ indeed, pit bulls do kill people.

8/27/2014 11:45:46 AM

black labs are also large, strong powerful dogs

8/27/2014 11:48:51 AM

whats your point

8/27/2014 11:56:57 AM

that labs are large dangerous dogs, they have minds of their own

8/27/2014 11:59:45 AM

post some dead babies while you're at it.

8/27/2014 11:59:48 AM

He is just being obtuse, let him have it.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 12:05 PM. Reason : petulant child ]

8/27/2014 12:04:30 PM

If you want a kid friendly dog, get a beagle. They aren't over large, they aren't high energy, and they are very docile. Most of them aren't obnoxious barkers as their stereotype would imply, and they are also pretty smart.

8/27/2014 12:05:29 PM

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"Most of them aren't obnoxious barkers as their stereotype would imply,"

wtf?? I've never met a beagle that wasn't an obnoxious barker/howler. I don't dislike beagles...but they're loud as fuck.

8/27/2014 12:08:29 PM

My lab/pit mix

8/27/2014 12:08:48 PM

What causes a person to choose a pit bull as a pet? Knowing they can potentially be aggressive, what makes them worth the risk?

8/27/2014 12:12:21 PM

He loves me and will protect me forever and always. <3

8/27/2014 12:17:12 PM

^^because with proper care, attention and training they're no more aggressive than most other dogs?

(and because in my experience, they're some of the coolest pets out there?)

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 12:18 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2014 12:17:40 PM

my mom rescues pit bulls and works with them to rehabilitate. I have never met an aggressive pit bull that wasn't mistreated in the past.

8/27/2014 12:22:43 PM

What makes them so cool

8/27/2014 12:23:22 PM

We have two beagles. One never says a word, the other likes to talk a little bit, but he's quiet for the most part.

8/27/2014 12:27:55 PM

Pit Bulls are also very loving/affectionate dogs:



And some people really like the "strong/masculine" look in dogs. I really like Boxers for this reason.

8/27/2014 12:30:47 PM

^^^very friendly, loving, loyal and playful? and a little goofy, but not totally stupid?

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 12:32 PM. Reason : and it's kinda cool that such a big, strong, scary looking dog can be so affectionate?]

8/27/2014 12:31:24 PM

My brother was bitten by a dalmatian. I was bitten by a silky terrier. My sister was bitten by a cocker spaniel. A weimeraner almost broke my arm. Ban all dogs.

But for reals. My worst bite was from a cat.

8/27/2014 12:33:09 PM

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"Kadwackle recently had a pit who was always trying to eat her face off too."

that dog was treated horribly before they adopted it, fyi

8/27/2014 12:35:01 PM

cocker spaniels are dicks

8/27/2014 12:35:31 PM

Dogs should be a personal choice. If someone wants a pit, let them have one. But if they don't train it right, treat it right, and it does harm, then they bear the consequences.

I'm not a fan of pit bulls, and I'm not a fan of rots, and I don't own any, but other people like them, so who cares if they have one?

8/27/2014 12:40:02 PM

^^^ ohh yeah i forgot about that. sad story all around

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM. Reason : ^ sounds reasonable.]

8/27/2014 12:40:09 PM

^^ if only you applied that logic to other situations....

8/27/2014 12:41:38 PM

Except fetuses are not dogs.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 12:48 PM. Reason : fetuses?]

8/27/2014 12:48:30 PM

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"What causes a person to choose a pit bull as a pet? "

i like their temperament, its similar to a lab (they generally score between the lab and golden retriever on temperament tests) but without the long thick coat that turns your house into a nest of dog hair. I prefer dogs that are confident and it seems to be pretty common with this "breed", I dislike dogs that are skittish or have anxiety because in my experience they have been more destructive. Pits and pit mixes seem to match my activity level and temperament well, so I like them as pets and have had good results. they are also what i grew up with, and that's also a big part of why I like them.

my wife isn't as familiar with them, but loves the two we've had (one i had when we met, now we have one together) because she likes it when giant dogs think they are lap dogs and always want to cuddle, and being affectionate also seems pretty common to the breed.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 12:53 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2014 12:49:10 PM

^^well, if a person gets a pit and doesn't properly treat or train it and let's it roam, it's likely to maul a small child, which is way worse than a 3 week old fetus.... just saying

8/27/2014 12:51:23 PM

You never met my sister as a fetus. She was a cunt x 2.

8/27/2014 12:53:17 PM

some fetuses absorb their siblings, that seems pretty violent to me

8/27/2014 12:54:38 PM

Bullet makes me think of a good question.

Is there any precedence for owners being held criminally liable for the actions of their dogs? Like if it could be proven that a dog was mistreated, and said dog ended up mauling someone, is the owner to blame?

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 1:01 PM. Reason : if]

8/27/2014 1:00:23 PM

yes

8/27/2014 1:01:14 PM

http://dogbitelaw.com/one-bite-state/north-carolina-dog-bite-law.html

all links i can quickly find seem to be advertisements for lawyers... so you can certainly be sued.

http://dogbitelaw.com/criminal-penalties-for-dog-bites/criminal-penalties-for-a-dog-bite.html


[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2014 1:03:52 PM

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"when giant dogs think they are lap dogs and always want to cuddle, and being affectionate also seems pretty common to the breed. "

that's also part of the problem with these dogs; they're comfortable being close to people but big enough that they can hurt them inadvertently. I had a friend who's pit would always want to climb up in the couch and lay on me when I went over. The dog was extremely friendly, but my arm got really scratched up one time when someone knocked at the door and the dog took off to see who it was. The same dog scratched another friend's face really bad under similar circumstances (person was sleeping on the couch cuddled up with the dog).

That dogsite.org listed a couple instances of pit bulls smothering infants to death. Smothering isn't something I'd expect a dog to do intentionally to hurt another creature.

I knew way too many pit owners growing up that owned pits for the sole purpose of home defense. Couple a strong dog with a stupid owner that encourages aggressive behavior, and the reputation of the breed doesn't stand a chance.

8/27/2014 1:06:39 PM

because there is no way a 90lb lab could accidentally scratch your arm while getting on the couch

you know, on account of they wear shoes and are polite enough to ask first

8/27/2014 1:10:38 PM

I think it's pretty irresponsible for the parents of an infant or toddler to get a pit bull.

8/27/2014 1:10:46 PM

^^^ Gotta clip your dogs' nails, yo. My dog has left a scratch or two on my face just fucking around. He also bit my finger when we were playing fetch. Or he was playing fetch and I thought we were done...unfortunately I was still holding the stick.

Then we trained our dog not to grab things out of peoples' hands...and that was that.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 1:11 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2014 1:10:46 PM

I have said it a thousand times over the years, but the pit bull argument is exactly the same as the gun argument.

In fact this thread has been done before to death.

They are both very dangerous, both require a lot of extensive training and experience to properly use them, and both are severely regulated in most other parts of the world.

I use to own a pit, and I use to meet up with other pit owners and I got involved in the hole community, and of that whole big "pits are awesome pets" crowd, there was literally only one couple that was responsible enough to have one. I will certainly never own one again, unless of course I am a desolate wanderer with nothing else to do with my time than to raise a companion from a pup, out there in the wilderness somewhere, then of course I would give it another try.

8/27/2014 1:11:15 PM

any dog is dangerous with an infant

8/27/2014 1:11:42 PM

true... unfortunately more affectionate bigger dogs could inadvertently be more dangerous than smaller affectionate dogs.

8/27/2014 1:14:33 PM

agree, we need breed specific bans to stop people from owning dangerous labs!

8/27/2014 1:15:13 PM

If pit bulls were universally banned, do you guys think shitty people would just stop getting dogs? No, they'd move on to a different breed, we'd ban that one, and eventually you get to pick from either pomeranians, shih tzus, or chihuahuas, all of which are assholes. Tiny assholes.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 1:22 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2014 1:22:01 PM

Is anyone here actually arguing to ban a specific breed?

8/27/2014 1:27:15 PM

got involved...

...in the hole community

8/27/2014 1:27:31 PM

^^not here, but plenty of people think pit bulls should be banned

8/27/2014 1:29:25 PM

And just to play devil's advocate to adultswim's comment. Sure, we ban pits, rots, etc, shitty owners end up with shitty little dogs. But it is much easier for a pit bull to bite off someone's face than it is for a chihuahua.

8/27/2014 1:31:58 PM

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"Is anyone here actually arguing to ban a specific breed?"

it's the logical conclusion to some people itt. if a breed is inherently dangerous and unpredictable (which pits aren't), why wouldn't you ban people from having them?

8/27/2014 1:32:56 PM

^^ also much easier for a poodle, golden retriever, dalmatian, labrador, etc.. than a "chiwawa"

8/27/2014 1:35:13 PM

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"And just to play devil's advocate to adultswim's comment. Sure, we ban pits, rots, etc, shitty owners end up with shitty little dogs. But it is much easier for a pit bull to bite off someone's face than it is for a chihuahua."

also you could save a lot of children's lives by making them wear helmets 24/7

8/27/2014 1:38:21 PM

The world would be a horrible place if it were full of nothing but lapdogs.

8/27/2014 1:41:39 PM