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1/9/2015 11:51:59 AM

From page 2:

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"I do not support violence or death on either front. I am actually just saying America is better equipped to handle something like this before it escalates because the Muslim groups could sue the shit out of a publisher if they released something like that and get an injunction based on it being incitement speech calling for violence against religious groups."

What the fuck are you talking about, stategrad100?

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1/9/2015 11:54:13 AM

Synapse what are those wuotes about?

1/9/2015 12:16:26 PM

Martyr'd

1/9/2015 12:32:00 PM

I feel like Martyr'd would be if they just stayed at the newspaper and went down in a hail of bullets, rage, and indignation.

These two tried to flee and get away with it, only to be manhunted into a corner where they realized their options were die quickly or die eventually (though not naturally), and then tried to claim martyrdom.

1/9/2015 12:40:35 PM

@ GoldieO

Hebdo Cover showing death of imam is accompanied with caption
"ca n'arrete pas les balles" which translates to "It cannot stop the bullets."

This text taken with the image is intended to mean that the illustrated person on the cover is unable to stop a barrage of bullets with his book (the Quran)

This type of imagery would likely be prohibited, even under claims of First Amendment protections, had it been published in the USA.

I am saying our system is superior in that regard because we enjoy freedoms, but Hate Speech that targets certain groups (i.e., in this example Muslims) portraying cartoons of them being shot would be subject to court order or injunction to cease publication of incitement speach.

Our court system would allow people who felt injured by such images to seek a court order forcing them to stop publication, but it appears that publication showing such violence operated continually without any injunction telling them to cease publication.

So I am making a statement that the American system has hate crime legislation, possibly as a matter of public policy to prevent flare ups between groups.


If I drew a cartoon animation of you being fatally attacked, or a member of your group being attacked, even if I claimed it's a free country and I have a right to my ideas, you could still sue me because it's not a form of speech subject to 1A protections and could also violate other law. Those laws apparently were not in operation over there in this case.

1/9/2015 12:42:44 PM

It's a cartoon, not a specific person.

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"So I am making a statement that the American system has hate crime legislation, possibly as a matter of public policy to prevent flare ups between groups."

Please cite specific sources to validate this claim. This is what I was referring to when I queried what the fuck you were talking about.

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1/9/2015 12:52:47 PM

1/9/2015 12:54:47 PM

idk, man. I'm inclined to think you could be a martyr dying anywhere as long as your believers think you died standing for what you believe in.

1/9/2015 12:55:30 PM

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/210300.pdf

Hate Crime laws are designed with "protected groups" in mind,

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" (1) the specification of “protected groups,” or identifiable sets of people whose traits are legally defined as targets of hate crime motivation (e.g., race, religion, sexual orientation);"

1/9/2015 12:57:28 PM

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"If I drew a cartoon animation of you being fatally attacked, or a member of your group being attacked, even if I claimed it's a free country and I have a right to my ideas, you could still sue me because it's not a form of speech subject to 1A protections and could also violate other law. Those laws apparently were not in operation over there in this case."

You are aware of a movie called The Interview, right? Pretty sure we just covered this as a culture, and we sided with free speech.

1/9/2015 12:59:50 PM

alright TheOnion; lets see you do a piece on muhammed

chickenshits!

1/9/2015 1:01:08 PM

The laws you're referring to prohibit certain criminal acts, not speech.

1/9/2015 1:02:50 PM

The question of whether speech is directed to an individual, a group, the likeness of an individual, a political entity, a foreign leader, or the likeness of a group will affect what laws can be asserted.

But as a point of illustration, sure, Kim Jong Un could absolutely sue based on that movie and file suit in the US Court system.
Whether or not the case would be decided meritoriously is a political question, but it would definitely make headlines and has a potential for being adjudicated with a resolution of some sort.

1/9/2015 1:03:15 PM

what are some other groups that are huge crybabies like muslims

can someone construct a nice pie graph that shows how many people they kill in comparison

1/9/2015 1:19:04 PM

Would you guys let the female suspect suck your dick?

1/9/2015 1:23:08 PM

Are we forgetting the bloodshed that occurred when Book of Mormon hit broadway?
Never Forget

1/9/2015 1:42:06 PM

^^^I don't know, liberals tend to be big crybabies. And they've indirectly killed lots of Americans with their policies, so does that count?



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1/9/2015 1:52:53 PM

^^^ You only know sucking dicks.

1/9/2015 3:21:36 PM

I probably wouldn't let shoot suck my dick. he looks like he has bad breath, and chapped lips.

1/9/2015 3:27:47 PM

Remember that time christians killed half the world?

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1/9/2015 3:35:13 PM

1/9/2015 4:43:38 PM

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2014 should TOTALLY be a fat person at a McDonalds drive thru

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1/9/2015 4:47:07 PM

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"I'm inclined to think you could be a martyr dying anywhere as long as your believers think you died standing for what you believe in."

Early christian leaders actually had to clamp down on early Christians seeking martyrdom. Apparently everyone thought that martyrdom meant immediate kingdom of heaven tickets, so many dumbasses would attack pagan temples hoping to be killed in the process.

1/9/2015 5:15:31 PM

has anyone mentioned how happy French courts are to censor works of art that are critical to Christianity or Judaism?

The outcry in support of Charlie Hebdo seems hypocritical.

1/11/2015 2:43:10 PM

legal censorship is completely different than shooting everyone

1/11/2015 2:50:53 PM

that's a fair response, but France is hardly a great example of freedom of speech that criticizes religion. In French courts, art that is defamatory against Christianity or Judaism is often censored and few seem to care about this double standard.

1/11/2015 2:52:54 PM

Wait, I thought liberals didn't victim blame

1/11/2015 4:08:47 PM

wait, i thought conservatives don't only see in black and white

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1/11/2015 4:14:16 PM

can we turn this into a POWER PACK POWER PACK, BACK THE PACK, PACK ATTACK thread just for today?

1/11/2015 4:29:22 PM

^^ i'm really not sure how anyone can read those 2 posts of mine and see them as victim-blaming

1/11/2015 4:29:51 PM

terrorist bitch is kinda hot

1/11/2015 4:50:27 PM

are you sure you want to talk about a martyr's wife on the internet?

1/11/2015 5:01:09 PM

how do you say "#IAmDefinitelyNotCharlie but I support their rights and they didn't deserve to die" in French?

1/11/2015 6:34:53 PM

yeah, to hell with dat ho. She's probably already fucking 30 other dudes.

1/11/2015 6:34:56 PM

dtownral can you cite some cases?

Charlie also drew filthy cartoons of nuns and Jesus, and they were not censored afaik. However, I do remember reading that a cartoon against Jews was not published and the cartoonist/editor was fired or resigned for the unpublished cartoon, but nothing about court involvement.

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1/11/2015 7:19:32 PM

Hopefully the French will have the good sense to finally admit that they were wrong to oppose the Iraq war now.

1/11/2015 7:36:35 PM

you could say the iraq war led to this.

1/11/2015 7:43:09 PM

yeah - there were no islamic extremist terrorist attacks on western soil till after dubya started the iraq war

1/11/2015 9:25:50 PM

But what does any of it have to do with iraq? You brought it up and im saying one of the guys is known to have been motivated by the invasion of iraq. Isis was born in a us prison. Syria was destabilized by disenfranchised iraqi sunni extremists. Lets not lump all muslims together, lets just use the connections that exist.

1/11/2015 10:27:26 PM

Don't be Jewish in Paris.

http://time.com/3663060/paris-terror-attack-jews-kosher-supermarket-siege/

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"...a lone gunman stormed through the doors of a kosher supermarket, Kalashnikov blazing, and took its customers siege. Four hostages died in the terrifying four-hour ordeal."

1/12/2015 2:20:14 AM

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"has anyone mentioned how happy French courts are to censor works of art that are critical to Christianity or Judaism? The outcry in support of Charlie Hebdo seems hypocritical."

How do you figure it is hypocritical?

Supporting Charlie Hebdo =/= supporting French government censorship

Abhorring the murder of cartoonists =/= supporting French government censorship

I'm guessing that exactly zero of the people in this thread are in favor of any sort of court-ordered censorship of works of art on the grounds that they are critical of any religion.

Come to that, I'd wager that very few of us are actually in favor of Charlie Hebdo, which is a shitty, un-funny, and arguably outright racist publication, but you still don't get to go in and shoot the pricks.

1/12/2015 8:26:45 AM

you don't think French politicians claiming they are Charlie Hebdo is hypocritical?

[Edited on January 12, 2015 at 9:24 AM. Reason : .]

1/12/2015 9:24:45 AM

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/

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"So it’s the opposite of surprising to see large numbers of westerners celebrating anti-Muslim cartoons - not on free speech grounds but due to approval of the content. Defending free speech is always easy when you like the content of the ideas being targeted, or aren’t part of (or actively dislike) the group being maligned. Indeed, it is self-evident that if a writer who specialized in overtly anti-black or anti-Semitic screeds had been murdered for their ideas, there would be no widespread calls to republish their trash in “solidarity” with their free speech rights. In fact, Douthat, Chait and Yglesias all took pains to expressly note that they were only calling for publication of such offensive ideas in the limited case where violence is threatened or perpetrated in response (by which they meant in practice, so far as I can tell: anti-Islam speech). Douthat even used italics to emphasize how limited his defense of blasphemy was: “that kind of blasphemy is precisely the kind that needs to be defended.”"

1/13/2015 9:01:13 AM

Here's a look into the future for those in this thread promoting greater restrictions on speech in this country.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/14/5446193/charlie-hebdo-sells-out-before.html#

1/14/2015 12:33:15 PM

Also, all of the leaders who marched in the unity march are now calling for increased domestic spying powers to prevent attacks like this.

1/14/2015 1:07:07 PM

For those who think this impulse to silence is limited to adherents of Islam, the pope voices his support for greater restrictions on speech, especially when that speech "makes fun of the faith of others."

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-charlie-hebdo-limits-free-expression-121639260.html

1/15/2015 9:39:41 AM

He also condones violence in response to insults:

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""If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch,""

1/15/2015 11:47:13 AM

the Pope did not support restrictions on speech or condone violence, he just said that people should stop insulting other religions and that if people insult other religions they shouldn't be surprised when someone gets mad and acts violently

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1/15/2015 11:50:47 AM

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"Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African-American teenager who was murdered in Mississippi at the age of 14 after reportedly flirting with a white woman."

So does America

1/15/2015 11:51:31 AM