Quote :

"Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations. Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson "

nuff said

4/28/2015 10:02:53 AM

those poor kids were just trying to find their way home and got scared when there were cops around

4/28/2015 10:07:18 AM

^ look at those heroic kids catching rocks being hurled at them...

4/28/2015 10:22:07 AM

dude, they're young kids doing the kinds of dumb things young kids tend to do

things that I (and I'm assuming many more) did when I was young and stupid

and I was a middle-class white kid

4/28/2015 10:23:08 AM

^ no you fucking didnt throw bricks at cops.

4/28/2015 10:23:52 AM

no, but I also didn't grow up as a young black kid who lived in fear on a daily basis

and I also didn't live in an area that had been doused in gasoline for decades and finally had a match thrown onto it

[Edited on April 28, 2015 at 10:35 AM. Reason : plenty of eggs, water balloons, and bottle rockets were thrown, though]

4/28/2015 10:29:20 AM

The bigger problem with that photo is the adults standing in the background not doing a damn thing about it.

4/28/2015 10:41:53 AM

Quote :

"Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations. Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson"

Quote :

"nuff said"

This says nothing about why rioting is an appropriate response or what it will do to help the future of Baltimore.

Some people just can't admit that the peaceful protestors are the only people in this fight who deserve your support. You don't have to support the rioters to support the cause.

If you do support the rioters at least man up and say that you support the actions that they are taking (destroying local businesses, destroying a local senior citizens center, race based violence, violence against journalists, violence against police) for the reasons they are claiming. Stop hiding behind your fallacies about sports riot coverage and just admit that you are a supporter of violence in this situation.

4/28/2015 11:32:09 AM

not surprising that thegoodlife3 would say that stupidest thing imaginable in either of the baltimore threads

and yes that includes the incredibly racist things too

what a fucking idiot

4/28/2015 12:22:15 PM

Quote :

" This mess never would have happened if the cops had rolled out swat style this weekend like they should have"

this is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site

4/28/2015 1:06:59 PM

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/4/28/8508637/ray-lewis-baltimore-protest-video

Ray Lewis doesn't approve of riots, but its ok to kill men at nightclubs.

4/28/2015 2:21:01 PM

huh, the rock tossing pic was my 10,000th post. oh well, just another 1,007 posts till i can try and post in the palindrome thread

4/28/2015 4:15:11 PM

so since they cancelled school today, and most of these rioting kids probably depend on free school lunches during the week, should we expect grocery stores to be looted tonight?

4/28/2015 6:11:34 PM

Quote :

"so since they cancelled school today, and most of these rioting kids probably depend on free school lunches during the week, should we expect grocery stores to be looted tonight? "

saw pictures going around twitter of whole foods giving food to the national guard. my first thought was that the people getting the food were the people who least needed it.

4/28/2015 6:17:30 PM

I mean, a fair amount of the guard are on food stamps...

4/28/2015 6:20:57 PM

Maybe they wanted them to be out of energy so they can't throw rocks as hard

4/28/2015 6:21:49 PM

Disorganized violence like this doesn't do much good, and actually helps to justify the horseshit us vs. them mentality that is at the root of the awful police culture. It makes the public react with horror and makes it seem like maybe the cops should be out there cracking some skulls.

Sometimes violence is useful, an organized revolt is what started this country. It's what toppled the Tzar. We are quickly approaching a point where we could see full scale revolt against the cops and that would be wonderful because it could make real change happen, but all of this is going on in Baltimore is just a shitshow. It's angry people venting and it's also opportunists doing the same kind of thing they always do when there's an opportunity to get away with some shit.

There's no question that the cops who killed this guy should be prosecuted. At minimum they committed some form of manslaughter if they broke his neck when they tackled him, knelt on his neck and "subdued" him with force. If they killed him when they took him for a rough ride with intent to harm him then they should be looking at murder charges and the death penalty should be on the table.

4/28/2015 7:08:29 PM

Quote :

"There's no question that the cops who killed this guy should be prosecuted. At minimum they committed some form of manslaughter if they broke his neck when they tackled him, knelt on his neck and "subdued" him with force. If they killed him when they took him for a rough ride with intent to harm him then they should be looking at murder charges and the death penalty should be on the table."

What if he did a handcuffed swan dive off the bench in the transport truck?

I'm not saying that's what happened, but I have learned not to pass judgment until the facts present themselves. Too bad others didn't learn the same lesson from some of the spectacles we've all had to bear witness to over the past few years.

4/28/2015 7:15:26 PM

Quote :

"Just nine days before Gray’s arrest, the Baltimore police department updated their rules to state that all arrestees be strapped in by seat belts or “other authorized restraining devices” for their own safety."

Well, they've already admitted they failed to follow their own policy so there's some admission of guilt/negligence already.

From the video I saw it looks like there's a good possibility that he had the spinal injury before they even put him in the back of the van. From the way he was screaming in pain, and the way his legs didn't look like they worked when they dragged him to the van I'd say there's a good chance of that and then leaving him unsecured in the van made it worse.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rough-ride-lawyer-says-man-fatally-injured-custody-baltimore-police-n347391

4/28/2015 7:23:37 PM

^^ what if aliens did it?

this isn't about only this one guy, this one guy was the catalyst for protests about a systemic problem (protests that were peaceful for days)

4/28/2015 7:32:21 PM

Quote :

" Just nine days before Gray’s arrest, the Baltimore police department updated their rules to state that all arrestees be strapped in by seat belts or “other authorized restraining devices” for their own safety."

LOL

I can't believe they actually made an official rule about this. It seems way easier to spread the word that cops gotta put a pause on beating suspects for a bit.

[Edited on April 28, 2015 at 8:17 PM. Reason : So lame.]

4/28/2015 8:16:33 PM

I think the multiple settlements and lawsuits from people being injured or killed in "nickel rides" prior to this made it necessary. Gray isn't the first person killed by Baltimore cops due to a mysterious broken neck during transport.

I do love the assertion by the union lawyer that the cops did nothing wrong while simultaneously refusing to release information about what happened. I get why you wouldn't want to talk of you're one of those cops, but don't try to say you didn't do anything wrong when you've already admitted that you didn't follow your own department policy. The line about policy being policy and practice being something different is another good one. What good are rules if you can't ignore them willfully?

I guess if you're a cop the motto is with great power comes zero responsibility.

4/28/2015 8:37:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Unzb42NzI

Quote :

"Carl Stokes EXPLODES On CNN 'Just Call Them Ni**ers' When Protesters Are Called Thugs."

4/28/2015 9:01:22 PM

So a few of the known racist and far right wingers I follow on Twitter are saying Freddie Gray had spinal surgery a week before and this is the likely reason for his fatal injury. Its big on tcot circles right now.

Has anyone even heard this.

(Not that this instance is the reason this conversation needs to be had)

4/28/2015 9:18:33 PM

^^^Again, I'd quietly tell cops to stop beating on suspects.

I wouldn't actually make a rule about making sure people buckle up. That's comically obvious (and offensive to anyone who is paying attention).

[Edited on April 28, 2015 at 9:31 PM. Reason : ^LOL, your twitter sucks.]

4/28/2015 9:28:55 PM

I like to keep tabs on all. Actually its just a crazy guy who used to host a radio show I listened to.

4/28/2015 9:39:08 PM

Quote :

" I can't believe they actually made an official rule about this. It seems way easier to spread the word that cops gotta put a pause on beating suspects for a bit."

Makes perfect sense to me - why beat the suspect while everyone with a cell phone is recording it, when you could just let the car ride do it for you? Drive around this town for 30 minutes and the potholes alone will make you feel like you have a spinal injury. Doing so while being handcuffed and shackled and bouncing around sideways in the back of a paddy wagon just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

It seems like that was the whole intent of the van ride in the first place; otherwise, why not just throw him in the back of a police car and take him in?

[Edited on April 28, 2015 at 9:46 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2015 9:45:24 PM

^^It might be true...it doesn't really change anything.

^I hear ya, but to me, purposefully injuring people in your vehicle is beating them. It's also a great way to explain injuries they may have sustained before (or after) they entered the vehicle.

Roughing a guy up with a van is the tip of the iceberg, and telling cops to buckle up suspects is a fucking joke.

4/28/2015 9:52:13 PM

Most of you disgust me. You sit behind your computers, phones, tablets etc and spew absolute garbage. Most of you have lived sheltered lives and have no clue what the police actually do for you. Take a look around you. Go ahead. The very reason you're able to sit in your nice house or apartment and pass judgement behind your keyboard is because of the men and women who are willing to do violence on your behalf. Every day they confront the evil of society so you hopefully don't have to. If it weren't for them you would be in a world full of prey and 99 percent of your panzy asses would be someone's bitch. They are there to uphold the laws that make it easy for you to go grab a latte from Starbucks without being raped by a group of thugs. Do any of you actually believe that most people are inherently good? Haha keep dreaming. It's because of consiquence. And the police officers willing to face those wishing to do harm to your nice lifestyle of freedom. They get paid hardly anything and risk so much for a society that pays them little respect. Have any of you held a lifeless child with a mother screaming she isn't dead when you know she is gone? Have you comforted a grieving mother over the loss of her child due to senseless gang violence? Unless you're a police officer, the answer is no you haven't. Bash them if you want. Stereotype them all as bad people, uneducated and power hungry. But the truth are they are all that separates you from evil. They are out there in the middle of the night away from their families standing guard over yours. Are there bad cops? Yes. Should they be held accountable? Hell yes. Just as in any other profession where people's lives are stake, they should be held accountable. And so should you. You should be held accountable for your disdain against the 99.8 percent of good cops you stereotype. But guess what? You won't be. Because cops wake up, kiss their families goodbye and head out regardless of the ridicule. How about we look at what's really wrong. Accountability. Don't break the law, that includes the police. Everyone has a choice. Those wishing to attack police officers should realize what's at stake. Ultimately, their freedom or their lives. There are recent situations where officers have been totally wrong such as Charleston. But come on people, there were millions of officers that helped people that day but all you see are the negatives on the media. And then you idiots spread your hate on social media such as this forum and you influence others to stereotype and hate. Wow, it must suck for an officer to know he may die to save the life 9f some wolfwebber who hates his very being. Respect people. That's what they deserve. If not, go loot something. That seems to work. Idiots.

4/29/2015 1:30:19 AM

Will these thugs be hot as fuck or what?

4/29/2015 1:52:33 AM

Col. Jessup standing watch on walls of text, protecting us from straw men.

4/29/2015 1:54:33 AM

ITT, BridgetSPK spews a bunch of nonsense about stuff she knows absolutely nothing about. Hey Bridget, when was the last time you saw a General Orders or Policy and Procedure notebook from a law enforcement agency? Do you realize that they outline EVERYTHING to the smallest detail such as how long your fingernails should be, how your hair should be warn, etc? Do you realize that there are post orders for every post you work? Do you realize that there is a transport post order that outlines how an arrestee or an inmate should be transported and that buckling them in would be a part of that post order? Get some knowledge atleast before you go spewing junk you don't know. Thats why I can't talk with people on here. Most of you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I thank God every day that I am part of the minority in my views instead of the majority.

4/29/2015 2:58:35 AM

Hey guys, I just saw on Facebook that Freddie Gray had spinal surgery a week before his arrest. THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING. STOP RIOTING NOW.

4/29/2015 6:59:47 AM

http://gawker.com/baltimore-s-12-o-clock-boys-stop-by-the-protests-1700762848/+damon

non violent ways to get attention...

Well done 12:00 boys...

4/29/2015 7:03:35 AM

^The media was more annoyed with them than they were people throwing bricks. Not once during the "Riot" did a news person say "Lets not show this on TV because its going to inspire others", but of course some nonviolent wheelies are terrible. BURNOUTS FOR JUSTICE, something I can get behind. You'd think the city would thank them, every second the protesters are watching tricks is a second were they aren't developing a riot mentality.

Quote :

"Posts : 119 (0.0 per day) Currently Online? : No Registered : 10/25/2002 (4568.6 days ago)"

Epic lurker sighted itt.

99.8% of statistics are made up, like 100% of your bullshit post. Now go back to smoking the police pipe.








And by smoking pipe I mean sucking dick circa 2002


[Edited on April 29, 2015 at 7:37 AM. Reason : ,]

4/29/2015 7:19:52 AM

Quote :

"Most of you disgust me. You sit behind your computers, phones, tablets etc and spew absolute garbage. Most of you have lived sheltered lives and have no clue what the police actually do for you. Take a look around you. Go ahead. The very reason you're able to sit in your nice house or apartment and pass judgement behind your keyboard is because of the men and women who are willing to do violence on your behalf. Every day they confront the evil of society so you hopefully don't have to. If it weren't for them you would be in a world full of prey and 99 percent of your panzy asses would be someone's bitch. They are there to uphold the laws that make it easy for you to go grab a latte from Starbucks without being raped by a group of thugs. Do any of you actually believe that most people are inherently good? Haha keep dreaming. It's because of consiquence. And the police officers willing to face those wishing to do harm to your nice lifestyle of freedom. They get paid hardly anything and risk so much for a society that pays them little respect. Have any of you held a lifeless child with a mother screaming she isn't dead when you know she is gone? Have you comforted a grieving mother over the loss of her child due to senseless gang violence? Unless you're a police officer, the answer is no you haven't. Bash them if you want. Stereotype them all as bad people, uneducated and power hungry. But the truth are they are all that separates you from evil. They are out there in the middle of the night away from their families standing guard over yours. Are there bad cops? Yes. Should they be held accountable? Hell yes. Just as in any other profession where people's lives are stake, they should be held accountable. And so should you. You should be held accountable for your disdain against the 99.8 percent of good cops you stereotype. But guess what? You won't be. Because cops wake up, kiss their families goodbye and head out regardless of the ridicule. How about we look at what's really wrong. Accountability. Don't break the law, that includes the police. Everyone has a choice. Those wishing to attack police officers should realize what's at stake. Ultimately, their freedom or their lives. There are recent situations where officers have been totally wrong such as Charleston. But come on people, there were millions of officers that helped people that day but all you see are the negatives on the media. And then you idiots spread your hate on social media such as this forum and you influence others to stereotype and hate. Wow, it must suck for an officer to know he may die to save the life 9f some wolfwebber who hates his very being. Respect people. That's what they deserve. If not, go loot something. That seems to work. Idiots."

This is exactly the problem... you deal with nothing but the scum of the earth all day every day and adopt this view of society.... I really just hope you are a troll.... but by the sound of this it seems like you just may be the guy that hands out the beatings he thinks these people deserve.

I know a TON of LEOs and a lot of them are good people but a lot more of than than you would want just flat aren't and if you argue with that you are a moron.

Also most never draw their gun other then during their certifications. So maybe you aren't a LEO maybe you just watch too many cop shows on TV.

What we both agree on is LEOs do not get paid enough and that's half the problem. Only 2 types of people take the job because of the lacking salary... the ones who want to do the right thing and have an actual sense of duty and honor and the ones who want some semblance of power to be used for intimidation. The problem is the second group is growing in our modern Narcissistic culture. Which is the other half of the problem society as w whole is becoming more and more self absorbed.

[sarcasm]Clearly you're one of the LEO "TWW Unit" officers making sure we don't do anything like we did 10-15 years ago that make you look foolish [/sarcasm]




[Edited on April 29, 2015 at 7:35 AM. Reason : .]

4/29/2015 7:24:34 AM

He lost my e"respect" with the

Quote :

""Do any of you actually believe that most people are inherently good? Haha keep dreaming""

God I hope that idiot is not a cop with that attitude. Fool makes it sound like everyone is out to kill everyone, fucking fear mongering retard.

Quote :

"Home, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why prison is the worst hell on earth... Hope. Every man who has ventured here over the centuries has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to freedom. So easy... So simple... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have died trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope. So, as I terrorize Baltimore, I will feed its people hope to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamoring over each other to "stay in the sun." You can watch me torture an entire city and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure, we will fulfill Gray's destiny... We will destroy Baltimore and then, when it is done and Baltimore is ashes, then you have my permission to die"

OMG

4/29/2015 7:29:00 AM

Quote :

"And so should you. You should be held accountable for your disdain against the 99.8 percent of good cops you stereotype."

"People who don't respect us should be punished"

4/29/2015 7:37:08 AM

also his SN is stiffy... i mean really... this guy clearly came from the cream of the crop.

4/29/2015 7:38:28 AM

I'm more impressed that a guy with 119 post since 2002 is still reading this site.

4/29/2015 7:41:35 AM

as i joked he may actually be an officer that lurks to see if we are planning anything like the old brentroad parties etc.

4/29/2015 7:49:51 AM

Quote :

"wolfpack2105: ITT, BridgetSPK spews a bunch of nonsense about stuff she knows absolutely nothing about. Hey Bridget, when was the last time you saw a General Orders or Policy and Procedure notebook from a law enforcement agency? Do you realize that they outline EVERYTHING to the smallest detail such as how long your fingernails should be, how your hair should be warn, etc? Do you realize that there are post orders for every post you work? Do you realize that there is a transport post order that outlines how an arrestee or an inmate should be transported and that buckling them in would be a part of that post order? Get some knowledge atleast before you go spewing junk you don't know. Thats why I can't talk with people on here. Most of you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I thank God every day that I am part of the minority in my views instead of the majority."

I'm aware that the police have a ton of rules and procedures, and I was actually surprised that buckling them up wouldn't have already been a part of Baltimore's rules/procedures ten years ago.

Coming out now, or precisely 9 days before Gray's arrest, to be all, "Hey, everybody, we've decided to use seat belts for suspects!!!" is a joke.

If you get a chance, read my posts and then read your post--I might be wrong about something, but I'm definitely not the one "spewing" things.

[Edited on April 29, 2015 at 8:00 AM. Reason : ]

4/29/2015 7:59:15 AM

Quote :

" They get paid hardly anything"

According to the U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, as reported in its Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2012-2013 Edition, the following were the median Maryland law enforcement salaries during 2010:

Detectives and Criminal Investigators: $89,850
Police and Sheriff’s Patrol Officers: $54,480
Supervisors of Police and Detectives: $85,890

4/29/2015 7:59:16 AM

I realize there was a bit of venting going on up there. And there are some serious mental gymnastics fueling that rant ,but

Quote :

" You should be held accountable for your disdain against the 99.8 percent of good cops you stereotype. "

Police are paid civil servants charged with protecting and serving the public, and given by the state the extraordinary power to use lethal force amongst other things. You have to understand why people get upset when that power is abused, covered up, and used inappropriately. And when even the good cops are complicit in protecting their brothers, you have to understand how that does not help the perception of police.

You also cannot expect people to be held "accountable" for having an opinion.



If a police officer feels that they cannot carry out their duties fairly, justly, and without abusing their power, maybe they should fucking quit the force. No one is forcing them to collect a paycheck by carrying a badge and a gun. If the respknsobility is too awesome to bear, maybe another profession is more suitable? Make balloon animals for kids, or perhaps groom animals in a petting zoo.

4/29/2015 8:05:51 AM

I didn't read all of that block of text but I have utmost respect for good policemen. Every time I've been pulled over I deserved it and treated the officer respectfully and was treated in kind. I'm also an affluent white kid from the suburbs who is not subject to the systemic biases that have been passed down generations. I also don't know what it's like to feel marginalized and oppressed to the point of despair and non-caring.

4/29/2015 8:13:10 AM

I agree I don't pre determine the level of respect I give anyway. I give them average respect until they earn more or less from me.

Ironic that the cops don't like being stereotyped

Or as the call it profiling

4/29/2015 9:03:03 AM

4/29/2015 10:22:51 AM

Quote :

"Most of you disgust me. You sit behind your computers, phones, tablets etc and spew absolute garbage. Most of you have lived sheltered lives and have no clue what the police actually do for you. Take a look around you. Go ahead. The very reason you're able to sit in your nice house or apartment and pass judgement behind your keyboard is because of the men and women who are willing to do violence on your behalf. Every day they confront the evil of society so you hopefully don't have to. If it weren't for them you would be in a world full of prey and 99 percent of your panzy asses would be someone's bitch. They are there to uphold the laws that make it easy for you to go grab a latte from Starbucks without being raped by a group of thugs. Do any of you actually believe that most people are inherently good? Haha keep dreaming. It's because of consiquence. And the police officers willing to face those wishing to do harm to your nice lifestyle of freedom. They get paid hardly anything and risk so much for a society that pays them little respect. Have any of you held a lifeless child with a mother screaming she isn't dead when you know she is gone? Have you comforted a grieving mother over the loss of her child due to senseless gang violence? Unless you're a police officer, the answer is no you haven't. Bash them if you want. Stereotype them all as bad people, uneducated and power hungry. But the truth are they are all that separates you from evil. They are out there in the middle of the night away from their families standing guard over yours. Are there bad cops? Yes. Should they be held accountable? Hell yes. Just as in any other profession where people's lives are stake, they should be held accountable. And so should you. You should be held accountable for your disdain against the 99.8 percent of good cops you stereotype. But guess what? You won't be. Because cops wake up, kiss their families goodbye and head out regardless of the ridicule. How about we look at what's really wrong. Accountability. Don't break the law, that includes the police. Everyone has a choice. Those wishing to attack police officers should realize what's at stake. Ultimately, their freedom or their lives. There are recent situations where officers have been totally wrong such as Charleston. But come on people, there were millions of officers that helped people that day but all you see are the negatives on the media. And then you idiots spread your hate on social media such as this forum and you influence others to stereotype and hate. Wow, it must suck for an officer to know he may die to save the life 9f some wolfwebber who hates his very being. Respect people. That's what they deserve. If not, go loot something. That seems to work. Idiots."

nobody's really arguing your points here. there's plenty of good cops in america. there's also plenty of examples of cops abusing their power, bullying and harassing people, even killing people and getting off scot free. that's what the outrage is over. and the fact that this isn't a rare thing. people are mistreated by cops every day and it's not right...especially when there's rarely any consequence for their actions.

when it's your job to enforce laws and protect citizens then you have to be accountable when you fail to live up to that.

yes, we should respect people. including cops respecting the very people they are supposed to be protecting.

4/29/2015 10:30:09 AM

no one should give cops a pass because "there are just some bad ones" when it's cops themselves who protect those other officers and who stand in the way of accountability. when we the public have no other recourse, and when nothing is being done to stop the problem, civil disobedience is the only reasonable course of action. The only problem I see with the rioters (who are separate from the protesters who have been peacefully protesting for days) is that they destroyed the property of innocent members of the community who are also victims instead of only the property of those who oppress them.

4/29/2015 10:46:15 AM

Quote :

"We take Baltimore from the corrupt! The rich! The oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity, and we give it back to you... the people. Baltimore is yours. None shall interfere. Do as you please. Start by storming the jails, and freeing the oppressed! Step forward those who would serve. For and army will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed. Blood will be shed. The police will survive, as they learn to serve true justice. This great city... it will endure. Baltimore will survive!"

4/29/2015 10:52:02 AM