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"I want to marry justinh524, get a divorce, then collect alimony."

FYI: I'm poor as fuck.

6/27/2015 11:40:29 AM

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"So when do all the domestic partnership benefits go away?"

Are you specifically referring to civil unions?

[Edited on June 27, 2015 at 11:43 AM. Reason : I don't see them going away just because of this. Opposite genders civil union too.]

6/27/2015 11:43:03 AM

Alimony is retarded and should be done away with.

6/27/2015 11:44:57 AM

6/27/2015 12:55:44 PM

^^ & ^ same

more facebook funny:

"I still love gay people. I'm not judging gay people."

Of course that's posted shortly after posting that the FUCKING WORLD IS COMING TO AN END DUE TO THE EVIL THAT IS HOMOSEXUALITY.

But totes not judging you.

6/27/2015 1:26:39 PM

BanjoMan makes an important point to me.

I mean, we've crafted all these arguments for why homosexuality is "okay." But it was never really something we needed to argue.

The emphasis we place on it not being a choice makes sense, but folks should probably mind their business either way. And the real test to qualify as "okay" is whether or not it hurts others. Cause there are plenty of things that are not a choice that are also really, really not okay.

6/27/2015 2:07:10 PM

Actually there should be an emphasis on it not being a choice as long as religious groups keep thinking they can change people's "choice" to be gay with religious counseling which psychologically damages people.

-A HOOPS HAWT TAKE

6/27/2015 3:05:10 PM

I, for one, like this HOOPS fella

6/27/2015 3:22:58 PM

I for one won't be happy until gay couples in long term, committed relationships are forced to marry.

6/27/2015 3:26:30 PM

Thanks Bronco. I love you too.

6/27/2015 3:27:36 PM

^^^^I understand. I have at least one friend who tortured himself for years trying to reconcile his feelings for men with the religious upbringing provided by his family's particular church. It's terrible.

But, really, whether or not it's a choice should not matter. That approach implicitly invites criticism and scorn to actual choices that hurt no one. Despite the fact that the U.S. is always depicted as the most backwards of the post-industrial nations, we really still enjoy the most diversity and, in some ways, freedom. Choice or no choice, folks should mind their business.

Also, are we done with this? Like, I know there are a few more protections we need to secure for gay folks, but otherwise, we're done, right? Or do we have to keep at it tryna win over people who sincerely believe in sin...?

[Edited on June 27, 2015 at 3:28 PM. Reason : sss]

6/27/2015 3:27:45 PM

I dont care about "winning over people". I care about Gays being allowed to live their lives without brain scar damage caused by people running religious brain washing camps.

Believe whatever dumbshit you want as far as I'm concerned. Hell, i believe a lot of dumb shit. Have yall heard of this chem trail thing? its cray man. seriously cray.

6/27/2015 3:47:56 PM

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"Despite the fact that the U.S. is always depicted as the most backwards of the post-industrial nations"

I think that this is largely just a product of the US being a central hub in terms of academia, language, and military and that a lot of people still need to get some sort of US work experience stamped on their resume. So, haters gonna hate.

Having said that, I've been more or less shocked at the level of homophobia and racism that I have witnessed so far in Germany and in Europe overall. Sure, these things exist in the States, but they are for the most part restricted to rural areas and not in major universities or cities. Here, however, they are still to this day present to a larger degree in academics and big businesses. The people just aren’t as accepting or tolerant. It could just be a German thing, but it is something that I have noticed in other regions as well. It seems that despite their more "social" leaning policies compared to the US, they are for the most part less liberal leaning and accepting as a society on issues such as immigration, gay rights, and racism.

[Edited on June 27, 2015 at 3:55 PM. Reason : d]

6/27/2015 3:53:43 PM

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"Have yall heard of this chem trail thing? its cray man. seriously cray."

Well that's the rub, isn't it? We've let satan continue to manipulate the atheist scientists to the point where they've managed to create chem trails that create gays thus furthering their anti-god agenda and hastening the christian apocalypse.

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"I've been more or less shocked at the level of homophobia and racism that I have witnessed so far in Germany and in Europe overall"

Legit question. In your experience, are they "just" verbalizing their homophobia/racism (not that that's cool) or are they going so far as to actively discriminate? I'm not phrasing that as well as I'd like, so...example: Would a German Boss call an employee a faggot or would he add on "oh, btw, you're fired"?

[Edited on June 27, 2015 at 5:24 PM. Reason : ]

6/27/2015 5:20:05 PM

I don't think that the bosses would get involved in this stuff, because in general the management tends to employ the Swiss policy of complete neutrality when it comes to a line drawn in the sand. Meaning that they would just let whatever was happening happen without directly getting involved. In regards to the work environment, however, you would definitely here words like faggot and fag used in a derogatory context that I don't really think exist so much in liberal working atmospheres in the US. This happens quite often here, and it pisses me off that it is socially acceptable to be openly bigoted about homosexuality, and yet Americans get criticized for being the "backwards types". I certainly don't think that it would go as far as being fired, but you would prefer to keep it a secret rather than telling people about it like they do in the US. I'd imagine that the experience would be something similar to what a gay guy would see in the Marines.

Just as an example, once the news broke out about this decision, I started asking around at the university if anybody knew of an openly gay person in the entire institute. Most responses were something along the lines of "eww I hope not, but I am pretty sure that we don't have any in this institute." But there isn't one.

[Edited on June 27, 2015 at 6:16 PM. Reason : g]

6/27/2015 6:09:50 PM

so polygamy is pretty much guaranteed to be made legal now, right?

6/27/2015 6:21:44 PM

Lawyers be like "bring on the divorces!"

Wonder if there will be lawyers who specialize in gay divorce.

6/27/2015 6:26:31 PM

gay adoption will be the next "issue" taken up by the religious right

6/27/2015 6:52:52 PM

it shouldn't go very far, they have already argued in court that gay marriage harmed children and it didn't stand up

6/27/2015 6:54:08 PM

we also had a SCOTUS decision on abortion decades ago, but the religious right continues to try to restrict it

6/27/2015 6:59:07 PM

Of course, they want you to have kids, but won't help you take care of them once they get here. #Conservative

6/27/2015 7:06:19 PM

One of my conservative "friends" just posted his article about how now the US will try to protect pedophiles

6/27/2015 8:52:38 PM

^ Why would it need to, the church has been doing an adequate job of that since the beginning of time

6/27/2015 8:56:44 PM

^^i feel like "article" should be in quotations there

[Edited on June 27, 2015 at 9:08 PM. Reason : e.g. an "article" from Western Journalism]

6/27/2015 9:06:39 PM

I want my lesbian marriage ceremony to be held in a mosque with a pig skin wedding dress

6/27/2015 9:44:08 PM

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"One of my conservative "friends" just posted his article about how now the US will try to protect pedophiles"

yeah, that's ridiculous.

however, I must say, if we're going to tolerate homosexuality, I see no strong reason why we shouldn't tolerate incest (provided it's between consenting adults.)

'cuz like, neither of them hurts anybody (except maybe the kids of the incest couple...but what the hell, I don't think legislating eugenics is cool.)

I personally don't give a shit. but I feel like folks who approve of gay marriage should also approve of incestuous marriage, just in the interest of consistency.

6/27/2015 9:49:37 PM

But if they love each other why not?!

(I mean the jury is still out on that whole science thing and all)

6/27/2015 9:56:36 PM

Oh wait. Yeah, I didn't realize birth defects were so common.

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"The problem with having sex close with relatives is that there is an astonishingly high chance that your offspring will be born with a serious birth defect. Take the results Percent of children with severe birth defects. of a study of Czechoslovakian children whose fathers were first degree relatives. Fewer than half of the children who were the product of incestuous unions were completely healthy. Forty-two percent of them were born with severe birth defects or suffered early death and another 11 percent were mildly mentally impaired. This study is particularly instructive as it included a unique control group — the offspring of the same mothers but whose fathers were not the mothers’ relatives. "

Okay, fine. Still seems kinda unfair that a grown brother and sister who love each other can't get married, but I guess I understand the reasons.

Umm, but is there a law against retarded people getting married, I wonder?

Also, people who support gay marriage should support incestuous marriages as long as the guy gets a vasectomy first.


[Edited on June 27, 2015 at 10:07 PM. Reason : q]

6/27/2015 10:05:10 PM

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"Umm, but is there a law against retarded people getting married, I wonder?"

depends on the state

6/27/2015 10:26:12 PM

Consensual incest and marriage between close relatives should absolutely be legal. Polygamy should also be legal.

The standard should he consenting adults, that's all you really need to worry about.

6/28/2015 12:54:19 AM

oh and

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"BanjoMan makes an important point to me."

6/28/2015 7:27:26 AM

ITT I learned that JeffreyBSG wants to marry his sister so they can make retarded babies.

6/28/2015 7:34:07 AM

I'd mate with JeffreyBSG's sister.

The first step is working my way into his inner circle though, so I need to become Facebook friends with him first

6/28/2015 9:15:23 AM

I don't have a sister, alas. (I feel like if I did though, she'd be really bangin')

as an alternative, EMCE, perhaps you'd like to adopt the project of trying to bang all my exes? (that would degrade me almost as much.) I sent you a friend request to get you started.

6/28/2015 12:43:59 PM

I'm on it. On the plus side, if they scream out JEFFREY in the midst of coitus, your exes might still be thinking about you.

6/28/2015 12:48:15 PM

6/28/2015 1:01:37 PM

Isn't Joffrey Baratheon enough evidence against incest?

6/29/2015 12:52:48 AM

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" more or less shocked at the level of homophobia and racism that I have witnessed so far in Germany and in Europe overall. "

Yeah Germans can come across as pretty racist. Though in context they are very blunt and don't live in this PC culture that we get shoved down our throats here in America, where God forbid someone gets offended. Instead Germans just say what they think and don't necessarily understand that their are cultural sensitivities that may offend some.

6/29/2015 1:03:13 AM

Yes, that is their well-coached excuse to everything. But, the bottom-line is that Germans live in a society dominated by white Germans, and they can just get away with it because nobody except for the Americans and Brits are really gonna complain about it.

6/29/2015 1:54:08 AM

I work with a lot of Germans here in the states and can't say I've experienced any of what BanjoMan is saying. Doesn't mean it's not legitimate though. Could be that either the ones that come here are more open minded, or the behavior is adapted to the PC culture is the U.S.

6/29/2015 7:46:29 AM

you don't send people that you know will cause cultural difficulties over seas if you are any decent manager.

6/29/2015 8:04:20 AM

Lived in Europe for 2.5 years, can confirm, parts of Europe are racist/homophobic as all hell. Africans (not Black people, but people literally who were born in Africa and have emigrated) and Gypsies/Roma are typically the targeted groups

6/29/2015 8:41:01 AM

Do Europeans make it a point to hyphen African onto the race of every black in their country?

African-British
African-Greek
African-Russian

6/29/2015 8:55:20 AM

No, not really. In part, because many Black people who have lived in Europe for generations don't want to be identified with Africa.

6/29/2015 8:58:00 AM

Aren't there some European countries where you have to pretty much prove you will be an asset to their country before you can become a citizen...like Switzerland, or some of those other blondie/blue eyes country?

6/29/2015 9:14:08 AM

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"Do Europeans make it a point to hyphen African onto the race of every black in their country? African-British African-Greek African-Russian"

Depends on the Country. A lot of Germans say that black People aren't German at all because they are black. I don't know about the French but the Brits I think identify black People as British and not African-British.

This actually reminds me of a heated Situation I saw once because a friend of mine here has a German mother but a black American guy as her father, and once really got aggresive with some dudes that refused to call her German.

Anyways, I think that racism is a tricky Problem with Europe because countries in gerneral are well-defined by a certain phenotype, and it makes sence that People would unite around that phenotype in a nationalistic way.

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"I work with a lot of Germans here in the states and can't say I've experienced any of what BanjoMan is saying. "

Germans are well-Aware of their Image Problem from WWII and are hence incredibly careful when they are speaking English to and/or around non-Germans. I mean, I have seen the entire mood of a conversation completely Change when some of the Indian or Chinese guys left the coffee room and they got to switch back to German. Don't be fooled, and fuck, the German guy that I knew in the States would quite frequently get drunk and say questionable shit about black People in America.

6/29/2015 9:15:57 AM

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"Switzerland, or some of those other blondie/blue eyes country? "

This is true for some countries, but Switzerland is one of the more culturally diverse countries in Europe and is the only one that is not full of the blondie/blue eyeed stereotype.

6/29/2015 9:22:09 AM

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"Aren't there some European countries where you have to pretty much prove you will be an asset to their country before you can become a citizen...like Switzerland, or some of those other blondie/blue eyes country?"

I actually don't mind the idea of this principle...I don't see why it has to involve blond hair and blue eyes though.

6/29/2015 9:25:14 AM

I wasn't saying it did. I just recall the article that I read where the country in question was one of those countries.

6/29/2015 9:34:05 AM

Service guarantees citizenship.

6/29/2015 9:37:35 AM