^^You make an interesting point about voter ID.

But, yes, they'd still want to suppress the black vote.

Republicans could campaign on reparations for every black American, and they still wouldn't get more black votes than Democratic candidates.

They just don't have a chance to get those votes. So strategically their best bet in states like NC is to at least keep those folks from voting for Democrats.

7/13/2015 10:14:30 PM

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"Making people get IDs is more about Big Brother than racism. Ya'll mugs will throw the racism label on a lot of stuff. Things like changing early voting have racial intentions, that doesn't mean any and every voting law does. People start playing the race card so you forget that the government is tracking you."

c'mon, man

you are aware of voter registration cards, right?

7/13/2015 10:18:32 PM

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"But, yes, they'd still want to suppress the black vote."

I think it's really about suppressing the Democratic vote, as a whole.

7/13/2015 10:19:03 PM

I agree.

7/13/2015 10:20:35 PM

^^^hell nah man, i'm off that radar. no jury duty for this fucke.

but lots of people registered to vote because of obama. that's more negroes under the cloak of the Patriot Act

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 10:37 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2015 10:37:20 PM

I mean, you have been slipping lately, but that was pretty damn weak

7/13/2015 10:39:40 PM

well you and your ilk make it sound like getting an ID is as difficult as getting a PhD

like any one of you knows a single person who doesn't have an ID

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2015 10:41:35 PM

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"like any one of you knows a single person who doesn't have an ID"

Well fuck I'm convinced!

7/13/2015 11:24:36 PM

I do know some people who don't have bank accounts and get paid in cash though. They're called drug dealers. And they don't vote.

7/13/2015 11:25:59 PM

Supposedly, there are people who would have difficulty getting one of these IDs if the proper measures aren't in place. But I agree that, of those hypothetical people, most of them probably weren't planning to vote.

Still, I wish folks would respect voting rights and admit that there are people conspiring to manipulate who actually ends up voting.

We don't even have an in-person voter fraud problem, but Obama gets elected and all of the sudden we have to make a bunch of changes to how we vote?

I'd be outraged except I already used up all my outrage. Nobody told me there was a lifetime limit on outrage.

7/13/2015 11:40:39 PM

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"Making people get IDs is more about Big Brother than racism"

TT10 you just racist and hate black people!!!

Btw wouldn't eliminating early voting hurt the white republicans more since they are more likely to have jobs ??

7/13/2015 11:50:53 PM

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"wouldn't eliminating early voting hurt the white republicans more since they are more likely to have jobs"

Unsurprisingly, you couldn't be any more wrong.

7/14/2015 12:10:42 AM

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"well you and your ilk make it sound like getting an ID is as difficult as getting a PhD like any one of you knows a single person who doesn't have an ID"

Exactly! This is all about liberals playing the race card to get the people who will vote for them to the polls.

7/14/2015 12:16:24 AM

Are you going to cry synapse when a few African Americans are dramatically disenfranchised because they can't get to the DMV between now and November to get their ID.

7/14/2015 12:19:49 AM

I don't vote for giant douches or turd sandwiches personally, so I'm either being insensitive to the idealism of the freedom aspect of the process, and/or being more objective about it. But NRR is right in this thread ultimately. Also any racial stuff is because some corrupt politicians can get paid. If black votes would help them make secret handshakes, they'd be all over it. It's not black or white it's green which is all these fuckes are about, not their platform, they're just bamboozling you.

7/14/2015 12:50:10 AM

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"when a few African Americans are dramatically disenfranchised because they can't get to the DMV between now and November to get their ID."

Except that has nothing to do with your stupid theory or my response to it.

7/14/2015 12:59:50 AM

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-north-carolina-is-the-new-selma/

timely

7/14/2015 1:09:51 PM

Cry me a fucking river. I don't support anything to give the NC GOP more power due their war against the environment and pro-christian Shari'a law agenda but the article is little far-fetched in relating NC to fucking 1960's selma. You'd think they were banning black people from voting or something.

In reality the table shows that the new laws dis-enfranchised whites more than blacks. I don't agree with many of the changes but why is the race card being played for this instead of just being framed as a power play to keep the GOP in power. Let's break this down point by point of some of the changes:

http://www.thenation.com/article/north-carolina-passes-countrys-worst-voter-suppression-law/

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"?The end of pre-registration for 16 & 17 year olds"

OK this is dumb, and I don't agree with this.

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"? A ban on paid voter registration drives"

I'm against tax-payer money for this but the article doesn't clarify if privately funded drives are allowed.

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"? Elimination of same day voter registration"

Think is kinda dumb but on the other hand if voting means this much to you then register beforehand. Not sure how this is provision targetting black people.

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" ? A week sliced off Early Voting"

I'm neutral about this. I can see this as true to conservative principals by cutting costs.

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" ? Elimination of straight party ticket voting"

I'm 100% for this. Straight ticket voting is dumb. I always thought this mostly benefited the GOP though i think we may have been saved the disastrous governorship of Bev Perdue if it weren't for her riding the Obama wave into the governor mansion if the -D lever were eliminated. ( I actually voted for Obama and against Perdue in the 08 election).



? An expansion of the scope of who may examine registration records and challenge voters

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" ? A repeal of out-of-precinct voting "

Ok this is wrong and I don't support this. Though I don't see it as a policy engineered to just disenfranchised black voters.

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" ? Elimination of flexibility in opening early voting sites at different hours within a county"

The state should interfere if a county wants to open a precinct early. So I disagree.

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" ? A provision making it more difficult to add satellite polling sites for the elderly or voters with disabilities "

Disagree here too though surprised the elderly are not up in arms...

7/14/2015 1:45:40 PM

^^So only two cases of voter fraud happened in NC from 2000-2012? How can they prove that, if they didn't catch some other cases? We will never know what the real number is. I'm still cool with having to show your ID to vote just to make sure there is no fraud.

As for the lady who works 72 hours a week, I'm pretty sure they let you vote after the polls close as long as you are standing in line when they close. At my last job I was able to get from home (Garner) to Durham (work) in 38 minutes with no traffic and about 45 minutes in traffic. You should be able to get from point A to point B in the triangle in less than an hour and a half.

I do feel kind of bad for the people who moved right before the elections, so that part should probably be tweaked a little. I'm cool with not having same day registration though.

Also, the black vote recently increased because a half black man ran for president in the past two elections. I won't be shocked if the black vote drops off a little now that it will probably be two white people running against each other again. When Obama ran for the first time, the local news interviewed a 29 year old black guy who said, "For the first time ever I feel like it is important to vote." I am the same age as him and voted in both elections that George W Bush won. Why wasn't it important to vote in those elections too?

[Edited on July 14, 2015 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

7/14/2015 1:47:33 PM

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"I do feel kind of bad for the people who moved right before the elections, so that part should probably be tweaked a little. I'm cool with not having same day registration though."

I thought you could use an out of state ID, as long as it's within 90 days of moving here and you have registered?

7/14/2015 1:50:41 PM

Polls should be open for more than 1 day. It's absurd that we have such an inefficient system that causes people to be in line for hours after the polls were supposed to close, if they can even get there in time after work. What about jobs that have 12+ hr shifts? What about people who's jobs are a county or two away from their home precinct?

7/14/2015 2:00:00 PM

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"I thought you could use an out of state ID, as long as it's within 90 days of moving here and you have registered?"

Nope.

7/14/2015 2:37:43 PM

http://voteridnc.com/

That's not what this site says:

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"Out-of-state driver's license (only valid if voter registration occurred within 90 days of the election)"

7/14/2015 2:39:14 PM

OK so how exactly are you supposed to register if you just moved before the election if you can not register less than 30 days before the election?

7/14/2015 2:46:11 PM

Register within 90 days of the election and use your old ID. Cross state moves are generally planned more than 30 days in advance, so just plan to register and do it.

If you move to NC within 30 days of the election, and you don't have the foresight to register before then, what's to stop you from voting absentee in your prior state's election?

[Edited on July 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2015 3:10:51 PM

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"If you move to NC within 30 days of the election, and you don't have the foresight to register before then, what's to stop you from voting absentee in your prior state's election?"

Committing a felony being arrested and possibly going to prison, losing your right to own a gun, or work for any company that does background checks....you can only vote where you reside.

This shows exactly how the republicans are trying to make the voting process complicated. They create a clusterfuck of rules that you would have to find a lawyer to sort out if you are moving.

7/15/2015 4:36:17 PM

more like the FORESKIN to register before then, amirite!!!

7/15/2015 4:37:22 PM