^
You seem to be pretty angry that our society is a rich tapestry of individual personalities and life experiences and that people don't behave in the singular way you've deemed acceptable.

Many, many people do blithely dismiss casual racism like you want everyone to do, but this doesn't really work, does it? We know the wealth gap, income gap, job application response gap, grad student application response gap, criminal prosecution gap that has persisted for decades. I'm not sure how your belief that everyone should act and think like you, and just ignore these disparities, like you would ignore them, is a useful or sensible response, is it?

People are going to get mad about stuff, that's how democracy works. You're not typically going to shut them up by mocking or deriding them, Especially when there is a preponderance of statistical data in their favor.

11/12/2015 11:31:45 AM

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"im Wolfe must acknowledge his white male privilege, recognize that systems of oppression exist, and provide a verbal commitment to fulfilling Concerned Student 1-9-5-­0 demands. We want Tim Wolfe to admit to his gross negligence, allowing his driver to hit one of the demonstrators, consenting to the physical violence of bystanders"

LOL

Sounds like this group are the intolerant bigots. I'm offended that just because i'm white it is assumed that i'm privileged.

BTW i'm still waiting on hearing about this system of oppression. Beyond the oppression of one douchey frat not allowing minorities into the party, the "cotton ball" incident 5 fucking years ago, and some red neck shouting a racial slur. Plus it seems the only using violence is the 1-9-5-0 demonstrators....

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" grad student application response gap"

During my graduation, a majority of masters students and a 7 out of 9 PhD candidates were minorities. Perhaps the acceptance rate in your CHASS grad classes were more vanilla.

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"Republican Ben Carson, the only black candidate in the 2016 race, said the resignations are a sign of the "politically correct police" going too far."

Glad Dr. Carson and I can finally agree on something...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/university-of-missouri-2016-candidates-react/index.html

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"Hillary Clinton retweeted her staffer Marlon Marshall, who wrote, "Racism has no place anywhere, let alone an institution of learning. Standing w/ the students at Mizzou in my home state calling for change.""

I wonder what change former Secretary Clinton proposes? Perhaps we need to get to start building those wooden stocks used in the middles ages. Anyone on campus caught making an insensitive comment has to stay chained in the stocks for 8 hours to be shamed and have everyone throw rotten vegetables at them.



[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 11:57 AM. Reason : a]

11/12/2015 11:43:36 AM

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"You seem to be pretty angry that our society is a rich tapestry of individual personalities and life experiences "

Because I’m the “angry” one starting protests over nothing and listing demands?

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"and that people don't behave in the singular way you've deemed acceptable."

Funny… I’m not the one demanding lip service and acknowledgement.
2 people lost their job because they didn’t “behave” in the singular way Johnathan Butler deemed acceptable.

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"ignore these disparities, like you would ignore them, is a useful or sensible response, is it?"

There is nothing “sensible” about this Mizzou liberal insanity. I don’t think Obama has done enough to fight these disparities, I’m going on a hunger strike until he resigns. #LiberalLogic

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"People are going to get mad about stuff"

What stuff?

The word “oppression” is being used with absolutely ZERO cases of “oppression” being cited. There is no “stuff”. A random redneck yelling the N-word is bad, but that doesn’t mean you are “oppressed” and that doesn’t mean a random school president has to lose his livelihood.

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"that's how democracy works. "

Funny you’re talking about “democracy” when you are defending an outrage culture lynch mob. This is the modern day equivalent of a witch hunt.

11/12/2015 11:55:31 AM

Missouri Professor Offers Resignation After Encouraging Students to Take Exam Amid Threats

http://gawker.com/missouri-professor-offers-resignation-after-encouraging-1742117776?trending_test_e&utm_expid=66866090-62.YkETBcIMTk2uX1oytHipyg.5&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fgawker.com%2F%3Ftrending_test_e

tl;dr
teacher tells kids not to come if they feel unsafe, but he will still be giving into exam and you shouldn't give into bullies (the bullies being the people making threats on yik yak). students get mad. internet dog pile begins. teacher resigns.

fuck all that

11/12/2015 11:57:10 AM

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"BTW i'm still waiting on hearing about this system of oppression. Beyond the oppression of one douchey frat not allowing minorities into the party, the "cotton ball" incident 5 fucking years ago, and some red neck shouting a racial slur. Plus it seems the only using violence is the 1-9-5-0 demonstrators...."

That's why the media is being shut out from the "safe place" aka "echo chamber". It's an effective liberal tactic. The same reason none of their websites allow comments. Seal yourself off from logic and reason and convince yourself you are oppressed.

11/12/2015 11:58:30 AM

My girlfriend, who is black, lived around the Mizzou campus for a while a few years back. While we were talking about this particular instance she didn't seem surprised and straight up said as a black woman she'd never go anywhere around that town by herself not matter the time of day. Clearly there's a systemic problem in that area.

Does it warrant crazy knee-jerk reactions like ^^? I don't believe so. However there are definitely issues to be addressed, and removing people in charge that just wanted to ignore issues like these seems like a good first step.

11/12/2015 12:10:20 PM

11/12/2015 12:39:56 PM

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"However there are definitely issues to be addressed, and removing people in charge that just wanted to ignore issues like these seems like a good first step."

The "issues" are "ignored" because there are no actual tangible "issues" that have been brought up.

"Hey, a redneck said the N-word one time, I'm oppressed, what did you do about it random official?"

I love these vague references to "issues" and "oppression" that have no basis in reality. That's a false narrative for you. Let's get back in our "safe space" so logic and reason aren't brought into our echo-chamber of liberal lunacy.

11/12/2015 12:45:34 PM

You're right. Shit-smeared Swastikas are definitely not an issue.




[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 12:50:41 PM

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"Fuck no. Disagreeing with radical liberals is not "out of touch and insensitive". This is America, people are allowed to not be idiots. Just because he disagrees with some spoiled, entitled, super liberal drama-queen wanna-be activists that keep asking him to pay lip-service to race-bait questions??? It is absolute lunacy that 2 people had to resign "because of racism". Not because of their racism, but because of "racism" in general, except with no actual examples. Look at the list of demands... these are the monsters that liberalism breeds:"

You are a troll.

11/12/2015 12:53:08 PM

By the way I thought it was common knowledge that if you dropped the N-word around a group of black people you were pretty much asking for an ass-kicking.

I guess instead when someone is being racist all the college kids hold hands and cry, demanding more sensitivity training, and denouncing administrators for not arresting the asshole saying mean insensitive thing.

What about the outrage over the TP noose found in a fucking bathroom stall at NCSU? There was no context that this was targeting minorities or a threat to anybody. Shit maybe the kid/worker was contemplating hanging himself. Yet there were demands for a full blown investigation and public statement from administrators.

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"While we were talking about this particular instance she didn't seem surprised and straight up said as a black woman she'd never go anywhere around that town by herself not matter the time of day. Clearly there's a systemic problem in that are"

So why isn't the media reporting some anecdotes on this. All i've seen was an incident in 2010, hearing about a redneck shouting mean racial slurs, and some black girls not being allowed in a party (maybe that was Yale).

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 12:56 PM. Reason : a]

11/12/2015 12:53:47 PM

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/dc/2015/11/12/death-threats-howard-university-students/75650780/

11/12/2015 12:59:56 PM

I think what disturbs me the most about people crying about "PC culture" is the fact that they don't even get why people are trying to be more politically correct in the first place. Given how shitty people can be, why the fuck wouldn't you want to be nicer, more tolerant, considerate, etc? I mean we have people in this thread suggesting that black people are making up false claims to basically get attention and sympathy. I just don't get it.

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 1:05 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2015 1:04:53 PM

People are assholes who can't understand that people who are different from them have different experiences.

It's easy for a silver spooned white guy like myself to say they should "get over it" from 30,000 feet but that just means I'm a non-empathetic asshole.

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"By the way I thought it was common knowledge that if you dropped the N-word around a group of black people you were pretty much asking for an ass-kicking."

I'm sure the criminal justice system would treat those young African American males who do this with the utmost dignity and respect

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 1:19 PM. Reason : X]

11/12/2015 1:17:48 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-intolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/

11/12/2015 1:19:36 PM

Glad we are on the same page on this story.

11/12/2015 1:31:37 PM

I mean I teach at a university and community college. I'm not really seeing this overly sensitive "PC police" students people are talking about. Are they entitled and a bit coddled? Sure. But definitely don't see them as a bunch of whiny victims complaining about everything. Most of them come to class, do their work, participate, and have other problems to worry about. The thing my students seem most upset about is how fucking expensive school is these days.

11/12/2015 1:31:59 PM

One of my EE professors didn't cancel class on 9/11. Looking back, I was very traumatized to have to leave my dorm room and walk to Daniels that day.

I think I'll sue NCSU for damages, as I still have PTSD from that walk.

11/12/2015 1:38:52 PM

some of you are doing a hell of a job of showing exactly why the social environment that we're currently in the middle of is going on

at a base level, black people would prefer the benefit-of-the-doubt every now and again

yet some of you not only able to give it to them, you're outright calling them liars

good job good effort

11/12/2015 1:47:19 PM

I don't think anybody here is saying that no one was offended by a drunk guy yelling obscenities. But I think people are relying on common sense by asking just exactly what the president was supposed to do? Should he have given lip service? Sure...go out on a stage and say a few words for the camera to give everybody warm and fuzzies. Did the university president's lack of inaction maybe point to someone who is out of touch? Sure

But should his life be ruined because he didn't?

Based on what this guy was sacked for, to what else could we extrapolate this situation? How about our own president? Did his actions seem out of touch when he went to play golf right after that journalist was beheaded? Sure. Should he get sacked for it?

This is just a slippery slope.

11/12/2015 1:55:43 PM

Did you not listen to his response? He was blaming the students for their own oppression. He either A) doesn't know how tone deaf/stupid these comments were or B) knew, but didn't give a fuck and said them anyway.

11/12/2015 2:01:39 PM

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"I think what disturbs me the most about people crying about "PC culture" is the fact that they don't even get why people are trying to be more politically correct in the first place. Given how shitty people can be, why the fuck wouldn't you want to be nicer, more tolerant, considerate, etc? "

I think we may be witnessing a cultural clash with an "older generation" that's just come to accept casual racism and sexism as the norm, and a younger generation that's used to instant gratification and swift change and don't believe they should live in a world where they're marginalized for race or gender, no matter the magnitude of this marginalization. And majority groups tend to be completely oblivious to these slights, which is where the tension comes from. It's why the president of a university completed denied the existence of systemic racism.

Could just be meddling kids too, I dunno.

11/12/2015 2:07:34 PM

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"But should his life be ruined because he didn't? Based on what this guy was sacked for, to what else could we extrapolate this situation? How about our own president? "

LOL life ruined? for racism? This doesn't happen in America. He probably has a job at Fox News lined up, a circuit read of paid speeches to conservative groups, probably could get a book out of this that Rush Limbaugh will hock for him. If he wasn't already rich, he could have had a GoFundMe and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And he wasn't sacked for this racism thing, this is probably 10% of the reason. Just look at the timeline of events recently that pissed people off, including faculty (probably the most important group to keep happy). He would have been fired by most universities for this poor leadership i suspect.

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"yet some of you not only able to give it to them, you're outright calling them liars good job good effort "

This is blowing my mind too... esp. re the poop swaztika denial. Literally 1 nut job on a right wing blog emailed the police and the school asking for a picture of the poop swaztika, they understandably ignored him, he took this to mean it was a hoax and wrote a blog asserting as much, and this spread like wildfire across the Internet. Then once this idea takes hold, it just snow balls... you can't correct it even with factual information*. And to be clear, i'm not saying hoaxes don't exist or police don't partake in coverups, but there's absolutely no reason to believe the police or school would be complicit for this in this case.

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM. Reason : * http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/]

11/12/2015 2:11:40 PM

What you're essentially saying then is that once we are able to control speech, we'll breed nicer, more tolerant people.

We can all join the campfire circle and finally, after that first hippy movement in the 60's, sing kumbaya. Except we'd have to remove that "Lord" part since that's offensive to some.

11/12/2015 2:15:38 PM

If we breed nicer, more tolerant people there'd be no need to control free speech.

11/12/2015 2:23:32 PM

^^ you realize culture is constantly changing (by it's nature-- this is what culture must do)? Norms change? This isn't anyone trying to control speech, you can live your life perfectly happy, have edgy things to say, be a sarcastic douche nozzle, without marginalizing people?

No one calls blacks "negros" anymore, but you can bet people were upset when this term came out of favor. People still bitch about not being able to use the term "colored" even though it's part of the "NAACP". I see otherwise reasonable people get mad about the fact that white people can't say the "n-word" anymore but blacks can, and whites invented the term. I personally don't think I can internalize viewing Bruce Jenner as a "she", but I recognize that I shouldn't mock people in her position still.

There's a fine line between codifying a stagnant viewpoint in laws though and shifting societal norms to accommodate normal changes in culture. Demanding the president of a university use his bully pulpit to make racists feel unwelcome and support his minority students isn't being overly "PC". We're just humans, there's no guidebook to humanity, the first step to solving any cultural problem is to try and connect with and understand the people claiming theres an issue, and it just seems like no effort was made to this this in Mo.

I'd argue that people protesting and asking for a better leader more conscientious of issues facing minorities is a perfect use of activism and protesting, but Kim Davis using protest to try and change laws forcing her minority viewpoint regarding marriage is a corruption of activism.

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 2:35 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 2:31:38 PM

I don't support Kim Davis AT ALL. Having said that...

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"but Kim Davis using protest to try and change laws forcing her minority viewpoint regarding marriage is a corruption of activism."

This is your opinion. That is what is so scary about activism. It's subjective to the activists. There are many Christians who probably feel she's in the right to do what she's been doing.

I dislike any activism, whether conservatives are doing it or liberals, or gay people or straight, etc.

11/12/2015 2:35:01 PM

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"This is your opinion. That is what is so scary about activism. It's subjective to the activists. There are many Christians who probably feel she's in the right to do what she's been doing. I dislike any activism, whether conservatives are doing it or liberals, or gay people or straight, etc."

Right, there's no strict rules on social change, there's no objective standard in what society should be like. We didn't reach a perfect balance between social justice and political correctness in the 90s that's now being unbalanced. In some cases, activism should aim to use the blunt club of laws to force progress. If Kim Davis had won, and America became a Christian theocracy in 50 years, then she'd be hailed as a hero.

But these protestors on colleges aren't even asking for new laws, they're not even asking for significant (if any) rule changes on their college campus, they're asking for empathy and conscientiousness of racial issues, which the former president was grossly devoid of. Is this wrong? Why shouldn't they have this? Is this overly politically correct?

It seems, in the aftermath, with the physical threats and vandalism, that there might have actually been a problem with racism on the campus that was tolerated or harbored, doesn't it?

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 2:40:39 PM

Some might argue that activism and peaceful protests are what keeps unhappy members of the community from engaging in violent and bloody riots/uprisings.

11/12/2015 2:43:46 PM

You know what? Sure, I think what is going on is borderline ridiculous. But if those students feel like they've been wronged, then sure, knock yourselves out with your protests.

I guess what irks me is the coverage that these types of situations get. Then the armchair quarterbacks get involved from the luxury of their couches and begin commenting on their blogs or whatever, then CNN picks it up for clickbait, then it gets national coverage. This really should have just made the university news paper and that's about it.

There's no reason we should be wasting time on this at a national level.

11/12/2015 2:44:22 PM

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"You're right. Shit-smeared Swastikas are definitely not an issue."

It honestly isn't, at all. People write all kinds of obscenities in bathroom stalls trying to be offensive trolls. Whoever did it is probably laughing his ass off that everyone is making such a big deal of his shit writing.

So we essentially have a president forced to resign because he disagrees with a false liberal narrative of non-existent "oppression". Guess what entitled rich black college liberal... you're not oppressed and you're not a victim.

11/12/2015 2:59:50 PM

I don't care what someone writes in shit, anyone who writes/draws anything in shit in a public place should be punished b/c that's just nasty

11/12/2015 3:01:10 PM

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"There's no reason we should be wasting time on this at a national level."

what time is being wasted?

11/12/2015 3:05:00 PM

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"You know what? Sure, I think what is going on is borderline ridiculous. But if those students feel like they've been wronged, then sure, knock yourselves out with your protests. I guess what irks me is the coverage that these types of situations get. Then the armchair quarterbacks get involved from the luxury of their couches and begin commenting on their blogs or whatever, then CNN picks it up for clickbait, then it gets national coverage. This really should have just made the university news paper and that's about it. There's no reason we should be wasting time on this at a national level."

LOL, i agree, this shouldn't be a national issue, but this is just how news works. It seems like it was primarily that the football team getting involved, and college football is a national obsession, that kicked this into the national spotlight. These protests have been going on for months now without any national attention.

But you surely can't be mad that American love sports too much can you??

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"So we essentially have a president forced to resign because he disagrees with a false liberal narrative of non-existent "oppression""

Maybe i'm thinking of someone else, but I swear you waffle between saying "the oppression is real but we can't do anything about it" to "the oppression doesn't exist".

But systemic racism is 100% a real thing, as verified in numerous studies at this point, that have been linked to hundreds of times here. Doesn't make sense for you to keep denying this.


[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 3:05:45 PM

^^^^ I mean, shouldn't part of the job of a leader at a university be to foster a sense of belonging and try and provide the best atmosphere for learning?

If a large segment of the population of that school, both white and black, don't believe that is happening shouldn't they have the ability to voice that and let the chips fall where they may?

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:08 PM. Reason : X]

11/12/2015 3:07:46 PM

Universities are there for learning and training for a career in whatever space you choose. Part of that learning is to deal with how things work in the real world. I don't want to go to a university that is going to coddle me along for four or five years in a protective bubble from mean people who don't agree with my worldview.

11/12/2015 3:11:01 PM

you say that as a white dude who doesn't have to deal with blatant racism on any level

11/12/2015 3:13:14 PM

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"I'd argue that people protesting and asking for a better leader more conscientious of issues facing minorities is a perfect use of activ"

I'm still waiting to hear how minorities were getting "oppressed". There was a cotton ball incident five years ago and then two red necks shouting recital slurs. Then allegedly some sicko that free a swastika using poop the bathroom

Man minorities sure are oppressed at this university
They should give all minorities A's for the semester as compensation for the hostile environment that surely makes collegiate work impossible. They should start trading notes and collaborating with minorities in Syria and SE Asia (who are stabbed, beaten, and consciously black balled from society due to ethnic origins) on enhanced protesting techniques.

11/12/2015 3:13:49 PM

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"Maybe i'm thinking of someone else, but I swear you waffle between saying "the oppression is real but we can't do anything about it" to "the oppression doesn't exist". But systemic racism is 100% a real thing, as verified in numerous studies at this point, that have been linked to hundreds of times here. Doesn't make sense for you to keep denying this."

Systematic racism is not the same thing as "Oppression". Sure you may be 5% less likely to get a callback if your resume says "Tyrone" as opposed to "John Smith", but that has nothing to do with your university president not making a huge deal out of someone writing in feces (if that is still the best evidence that has been provided for "oppression"). Was the rich black student "oppressed" by the shit symbol jewish too? I doubt it.

A president didn't pay lip service to a race-bait question? He doesn't think an entitled college student is oppressed? That doesn't go along with the false-narrative of oppression the liberals believe is fact despite zero evidence.

11/12/2015 3:18:44 PM

Why does TWW need to provide you with a comprehensive list for you? Go out and do a little research on your own that doesn't include listening to Rush Limbaugh or watching FOX News (or even CNN or CNBC for that matter). Educate yourself.

But you won't. You're fine with holding on to your own narrow and privileged worldview.

Which is why we need university leaders that will foster a more enlightened and tolerant student body, so we don't perpetuate churning out 'educated' adults like you.

11/12/2015 3:19:57 PM

^ I'm sure the HuffingtonPost provides a great list of Horrific microaggressions.

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"you say that as a white dude who doesn't have to deal with blatant racism on any level"

Because nothing says blatant racism like telling a wealthy college student they aren't oppressed.

THE HORROR

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2015 3:20:08 PM

You guys are seriously the worst.

It borderline sociopathic the lack of empathy for others life experiences showed by some people.

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:24 PM. Reason : Systemic racism absolutely is a form of oppression. Jesus..]

11/12/2015 3:23:24 PM

I agree, its like nobody has any empathy for 2-3 people losing their jobs and being labeled a racist for no reason.

Asking for evidence when people make accusations? How insensitive. If you didn't notice I'm at the top of the progressive stack?

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2015 3:24:42 PM

They can come work with you...clearly your workplace has no problem with racism.

Here's an article I've referenced before...that you made no attempt to read or comprehend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/us/racial-disparity-traffic-stops-driving-black.html?_r=0

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:29 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 3:25:51 PM

It really is borderline sociopathy. It's really strange how invested they are in voicing their opinions about the subject of race. I really wonder why they feel the need to constantly argue about this?

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:27 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 3:26:28 PM

"If you are going to claim you are oppressed you need evidence"

"If you want to hungerstrike someone out of a job you should probably explain a specific reason why"

#RacistSociopath

11/12/2015 3:28:26 PM

I just have a hard time throwing out judgments on these people given my complete lack of understanding and knowledge of what it is like to be judged daily on my skin color.

And, yes, daily. I try not to but even I am guilty of it. I would wager everyone on both sides of this thread is.

11/12/2015 3:31:26 PM

People like JCE are exactly what's wrong with America. Instead of acknowledging that others are oppressed, they either deny that it's true, or they try to minimize it by saying they're victims too!11

11/12/2015 3:39:01 PM

I know. Maybe if I just join in the mindless liberal echo-chamber and just acknowledge my white-male privilege, that horrific ant-semitic sign wouldn't have been painted on a stall, oppressing the poor jewish black kids on campus 5 years later.

Speaking of which, one time someone was mean to me oppressed me at my local Buffalo Wild Wings. I want the CEO to resign because one of the waitresses he doesn't know forgot to serve me my Natty Light. I'm also going to start a mob and surround the CEO's car. If we spam enough hashtags we can overcome. Such bravery by the Mizzou students... Martin Luther King, Harriot Tubman, Rosa parks don't know SHIT about Oppression, these poor kids once heard about someone yelling a racial slur.

11/12/2015 3:49:57 PM

Mindless liberals...this is rich coming from a party of conservatives whose two front runners believe in boycotting Starbucks because of their un-Christmas-y cups and that the pyramids were constructed to store grain.

11/12/2015 4:06:23 PM