Regardless of how you feel about Trump, it should unsettle you at least slightly that we have a candidate for president who can't put on speeches because protestors shut him down.

If you don't like what he has to say, vote for the other guy, but don't force him to shut down. That's a violation of his first amendment rights.

3/14/2016 9:07:56 AM

1) no, its not a violation of his first amendment rights
2) protest is a form of speech

3/14/2016 9:09:00 AM

3) trump has his speech and messages reported on more than any other candidate
4) trump uses his speech to encourage violence against dissenters and media, rich isn't protected

[Edited on March 14, 2016 at 11:09 AM. Reason : ]

3/14/2016 10:42:40 AM

So you're saying you'd be cool with me following the Bernie camp with a troop of protesters all over the country shutting down every speech he tries to make.

3/14/2016 11:12:43 AM

1) cool with it? no, i would think those people are idiots. however,
2) not sure how that impacts the fact that protesting doesn't violate the 1st amendment rights of others, and
3) this isn't an equivalency, protesting against a fascist who has promoted and instigated hate and violence is not the same as protesting against bernie fucking sanders

3/14/2016 11:23:43 AM

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"That's a violation of his first amendment rights."

Holy dumb.

3/14/2016 12:34:13 PM

stop violating rjrumfel's 1st amendment rights

3/14/2016 12:45:01 PM

^^^^
that's a weird thing to do but it's your right.

Also, the allegations that these are guys organized by Bernie is trump lies, just like trump saying his guy didn't assault the breitbart reporter, just like trump parading wine and steaks that weren't his, just like trump saying he has a secret plan to defeat Isis or a secret list of negotiators better than everyone else.

Probably most people who protest are Bernie supporters, but they aren't protesting to support Bernie, they're protesting because trump is a fascist promoting violence to crush dissent.

Trump is what the first and fourth amendments and 8th amendments were made for.

Trump has said we need to "go outside the law" to stop Isis, his supporters have been calling the protesters terrorists (the guy who sucker punched the protestor and was arrested that trump is considering paying the bills for said this-- that he'd illegally kill the protestor next time maybe too). Do you think trump wouldn't try to use the same ways we validate torture (which is illegal by our own laws) to shut down his opponents if given the chance?

You don't have to pay much attention to see that trump is an anomaly, using dangerous rhetoric and direct calls for violence to control dissent. He's very obviously not a normal politician, you'd be foolish to ignore the very clear signs of this.

Framing this as a 1st amendment attack on trump is more trump absurdity.

How are protestors are suppressing free speech when trump has actually called for violence to suppress political dissent? And people have followed him on his requests for violence.

Why is it right wing media demanded every black leader to condemn the violence that happened in a few of the black lives matter protest (and they did--practically everyone condemned this violence), and republicans can get away with saying trumps violent supporters are just passionate? How can you brush off trump even considering paying the bills for the Fayetteville attacker for blatantly assaulting a guy who wasn't provoking him and was restrained by police?

3/14/2016 12:47:51 PM

hell, the media even asked Sanders to condemn any violence by his supporters, that's how backwards the media has allowed trump to twist this

(Sanders did disavow any violent protests btw)

3/14/2016 12:51:02 PM

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"just like trump saying his guy didn't assault the breitbart reporter"

That was proven to be a lie, and the reporter and make-believe witness had to resign to avoid being fired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NoMPxomjiw

3/14/2016 2:04:40 PM

I wonder what blogs eleusis reads daily...

3/14/2016 2:09:35 PM

^^ huh? The guy admitted to assaulting the woman, then when trump commented, trump asserted it was made up, then the guy changed his story. Those people are resigning because the breitbart management sided with Trump and supported his lie, vs reporting what actually happened.

3/14/2016 2:22:06 PM

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/03/behind-the-trump-rally-video-an-interview-with-lat.html

3/14/2016 2:22:58 PM

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"That was proven to be a lie, and the reporter and make-believe witness had to resign to avoid being fired."

Wait, what? The witness was a WaPo journalist and surely didn't resign...

3/14/2016 2:33:27 PM

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"Like thousands of others, I attended the Donald Trump rally in West Boca on Sunday night. Like many others, I procured a general admission ticket after registering online. Like many others, I used my smartphone to take photos, videos and post on social media during the event, held at a county park. Unlike nearly all the others, I was confronted with a stark choice by a Palm Beach County Sheriff's deputy at 8:40 p.m., while Trump was still speaking: Leaving immediately or "going to jail." I left. "Tell him we're trespassing him," a Trump campaign official told the deputy."

Gee, I wonder why trump doesn't want reporters mingling with his crowd...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-michael-mayo-reporter-kicked-out-trump-rally-20160314-story.html

3/14/2016 2:42:14 PM

Just saw video that basically confirmed what Fields said.

Was it bad? No. But that's not the point. The campaign manager flat lied and then assaulted her character. Par for the course for the Trump campaign unfortunately..

3/14/2016 3:12:59 PM

3/14/2016 3:15:06 PM

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"I wonder what blogs eleusis reads daily... "

i knew he was an idiot, but now i know he is full on crazy train

3/14/2016 3:15:52 PM

http://www.fayobserver.com/news/crime_courts/sheriff-s-office-considering-charging-trump/article_931d06ee-3ece-5235-b235-a8db182d4a65.html

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"The Cumberland County Sheriff's Office is considering charging Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump with inciting a riot after violence broke out during a Trump rally in Fayetteville last Wednesday, Sheriff's Office lawyer Ronnie Mitchell said."

I don't think they would, because i'm not sure if a "riot" was incited, but there has to be a related charge for violence, i'd think...

[Edited on March 14, 2016 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2016 4:48:12 PM

It's interesting when people's evaluation of the available evidence just happens to align exactly with what they want to believe.

3/14/2016 5:08:29 PM

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"So you're saying you'd be cool with me following the Bernie camp with a troop of protesters all over the country shutting down every speech he tries to make."

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"1) cool with it? no, i would think those people are idiots. however, 2) not sure how that impacts the fact that protesting doesn't violate the 1st amendment rights of others, and 3) this isn't an equivalency, protesting against a fascist who has promoted and instigated hate and violence is not the same as protesting against bernie fucking sanders"

So protesting is ok as long as it is against a person who you don't like, but protesting would be wrong if people from the far right stopped Sanders from speaking who is a socialist btw?

The Trump supporters might have caused a few problems, but that is mainly because of all the people who don't like Trump show up and sort of pick a fight.

3/14/2016 5:55:28 PM

Pick a fight? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

3/14/2016 7:09:15 PM

She was wearing slutty clothes!!!!

3/14/2016 7:23:55 PM

^^Like I said, "sort of." The protesters are picking a verbal fight I guess you could say. Politics brings out the stupid in a lot of people. I like Sanders the least out of everyone currently running for president, but I'm not about to go to one of his rallies, surround myself with his supporters, and then start interrupting his speech and booing. At that point I would probably either get punched in the face, or grabbed and thrown to the ground by law enforcement. It's not worth it. I'll just protest at the voting booth by not voting for him.

[Edited on March 14, 2016 at 7:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2016 7:26:03 PM

Yeah, I'm not seeing any Trump supporters shutting down Clinton or Sanders rallies. What's up with that?

3/14/2016 7:35:19 PM

Deliberately obtuse. Cool strategy.

3/14/2016 7:36:26 PM

It's like when all those god damn darkies went into the restaurants and sat at the lunch counters. Obviously picking a fight since it was pretty clear that they weren't allowed to be sitting there.

3/14/2016 9:05:13 PM

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"it should unsettle you at least slightly that we have a candidate for president who can't put on speeches because protestors shut him down."

hahahaha what in the everloving fuck.

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"That's a violation of his first amendment rights."

oh, you're just incredibly stupid

Remember folks,

50% of the country is dumber than the average american

trump supporters prove the rule

[Edited on March 14, 2016 at 9:34 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2016 9:32:09 PM

Anyone who backs another person with that much conviction to fight over them is crazy.

Every single candidate for president is lying every time they open their mouth.

Sad state of affairs when this is the best 'we' can come up with to represent us.

At least Trump talks about the illegal immigration problem. Everyone else skirts the issue because of donor money. Glad to see that all these people that broke into our country may get some sort of punishment. I can only hope.

3/14/2016 10:38:42 PM

so you're in that <50%

I like to keep track

3/14/2016 10:42:42 PM

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"Regardless of how you feel about Trump, it should unsettle you at least slightly that we have a candidate for president who can't put on speeches because protestors shut him down."

Fucking why? I was at Bush's second inaugural in 2004. There were protesters. They were removed by police. They were not beaten up. There was no outcry about their existence or their treatment, because it was fucking normal.

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"At least Trump talks about the illegal immigration problem."

What, exactly, do you envision this vast problem to be? The number of illegals has been declining for almost a decade. A million have left the country. No walls or mass deportations necessary.

3/14/2016 11:05:49 PM

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""Do YOU think you deserve to share the umbrella, Reek?" "N-no, master." "

https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/709516860346073089

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"At rally, Trump criticizes Christie (who's on stage) for being an absentee governor, then turns and says to him, "I needed to make a point.""

[Edited on March 14, 2016 at 11:44 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2016 11:44:03 PM

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/709478217254481921

Black americans kept out of Trump rally with no reason given, white protestor allowed in.

I actually don't blame the police here, it probably is their job to enforce trespass, but pretty despicable how a candidate for President could act this way.

3/14/2016 11:56:29 PM

Just as a point of reference, if Trump had handled the protests with real leadership qualities from the beginning, he would never be in the situation he is in now:
https://www.facebook.com/BuzzFeedNews/videos/1108709599150057/?fref=nf

3/15/2016 12:40:49 AM

I fully expect Trump to ask Carson to be his VP nod so he can turn around and say "see look I have black friends, black people love me!" I would hope Carson wouldn't sell his soul like that but who knows these days.

3/15/2016 8:37:21 AM

ORRRHHHH MURRRR GURRRRDDD

IRRRRREGRALLL IMMMIGRINTS

3/15/2016 9:14:27 AM

"so you're in that <50%

I like to keep track"

You got it.

Wonder when Mr. Oliver will do his rant on Hillary. That would take up most of the day to cover all her shenanigans.

3/15/2016 9:25:36 AM

"What, exactly, do you envision this vast problem to be? The number of illegals has been declining for almost a decade. A million have left the country. No walls or mass deportations necessary."

you got some hard numbers on that?

Even ONE person coming across the border and staying here is a problem. There are laws, they are not enforced, no one really seems to care. Why is that?

Cheap labor and votes. Most candidates pander to those ideas, be it through big money donations that they sell their soul for, or they are extremely transparent and don't talk about the issue (why won't you enforce the laws? Why not beef up security? Why not deport? Common sense questions) so they might get the mexican vote.

Or do you have better insight on it?

Trump might not have all the answers, no candidate does. However, he isn't afraid to speak to the elephant in the room.

You think middle America like to press 1 for English when they call to complain about their cable service? They obviously don't, and are flocking to Trump in droves.

3/15/2016 9:33:04 AM

WTFBBQ press 1 for English?

3/15/2016 10:11:13 AM

Have you never made a phone call to anyone other than your mother?

3/15/2016 10:15:48 AM

It is impossible to prevent every illegal border crossing, so saying even just 1 is a problem is dumb. I'm not saying the border shouldn't be better secured, it should, but the goal isn't to eliminate illegal crossings. And it certainly isn't the problem that people like you make it out to be. And it's been widely reported that illegal immigration has been slowing and many illegals have left teh country.

3/15/2016 10:19:35 AM

No, it is a problem. Even if it s a small problem, its still a problem. Problems have solutions.

Yes, the goal should be to eliminate illegal crossings. Can that be achieved? Probably not 100%, but we can work towards it. And one day turnaround for deportation.

Do you have hard facts to say that it is or isn't the issue that I make it out to be? Of course you don't, they are sneaking in under the radar. 1, 2 or 500,000. Why won't most candidates try and put a stop to it?

Illegal immigration slowing does not equal people are going 'back' Slowing from 2 million a year to 1 million a year (or whatever the numbers are) is still a huge problem.

I suppose you go to work everyday, correct? If so, do you appreciate the extra burden put on police officers, hospitals, and jails, that are paid for or subsidized by you tax money?

3/15/2016 10:36:08 AM

my favorite part is you don't know how to use the quote function on here

we're talking standard deviations from the 50% here

we can't even get a good background check for a gun purchase done in 3 days sometimes (thanks, bernie!). but sure, 1-day turnaround on expelling someone from the country seems legit.

[Edited on March 15, 2016 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]

3/15/2016 10:39:01 AM

And how do you propose to pay for your grand deportation plan?

3/15/2016 10:46:25 AM

ha. pretty funny isn't it. Glad you are having a good time.

I'm on TWW so infrequently over the past many years, I've never even tried/wanted to quote any messages. Most of the drivel isn't worth quoting.

yes, many issues in the Fed. gov't. But just because one system is slow/broken/bloated, doesn't mean you just give up on all the others.

3/15/2016 10:48:04 AM

why are you so afraid of the mexicans? are you a low level construction worker and they're taking your job?

3/15/2016 10:48:20 AM

It doesn't matter what I do for a living.

3/15/2016 10:50:58 AM

wait...they're construction workers now? I thought they were just picking vegetables and doing the jobs that americans didn't want to do?

3/15/2016 10:54:52 AM

Lol, speeding is a problem, so we should install European style speed cameras everywhere. We can stop murders by installing Police cameras on all street lamps. We should set up check points to drug test people, these are all big problems, and no one is talking about the elephant in the room!

Donald Trump could end illegal immigration by putting business owners in jail, like himself, for hiring an illegal, but instead of pushing for this easy solution, he chooses to demonize Mexicans, and play on the hatred of his simpleton supporters.

A wall would do nearly nothing for illegal immigration without going after business owners, and Trump wouldn't demonize himself to achieve the goal.

Not to mention illegal immigration, as grumpy noted, isn't a big problem. You're delusional and misinformed if you think it's the biggest problem.

3/15/2016 10:58:24 AM

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"Donald Trump could end illegal immigration by putting business owners in jail, like himself, for hiring an illegal"

I was curious about this claim, so I checked it out.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-donald-trump-had-pay-1-million-hi/

A contractor for Trump hired some illegals in 1980. Trump says he had no knowledge of the workers; he paid the contractor to get the job done.

Interestingly, it was the union that sued Trump over this. They successfully argued in court that, by hiring undocumented workers, Trump's contractor (and, by extension, Trump) cheated them out of their entitled pensions or wages or whatever.

Like many anti-Trump claims, this one is hyperbole. It makes sense as a tactic, I guess. Trump uses hyperbole, so fight fire with fire, right?

3/15/2016 11:08:45 AM