seems like they giveaway 75% of the next show with the previews. the next one will have jin speaking english/sawyer, jin, and mike walking with the others/hurley lying to charlie. also it seemed really weird the way jin said something about "this changes things forever" as if he was faking the entire time, not knowing english, and with the others all along. but that seems like a stretch.

anyone think that the people who caught mike, jin, and sawyer are not the others or that they are the others?

10/8/2005 11:23:21 PM

turn of the screw is significant and you would realize that if you had read it

the other book has a lot of stuff from the show too


[Edited on October 8, 2005 at 11:29 PM. Reason : i already brought them up though right after they were shown]

10/8/2005 11:23:28 PM

did anyone else notice that the rooms were different? just a fluke?

10/8/2005 11:29:09 PM

^^2nd book also deals with black air, and series of mirrors like they had set up down in the hatch,

^^^i think everyones been pretty much convinced that those arent the others and they are the back half of the plane



[Edited on October 8, 2005 at 11:29 PM. Reason : just a fluke]

10/8/2005 11:29:20 PM

JUST BECAUSE THEY CHOSE BOOKS THAT HAD PLOT ELEMENTS IN COMMON WITH THE SHOW DOESNT MAKE THE BOOKS A PLOT ELEMENT IN THE SHOW


HOW IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

10/9/2005 12:46:27 AM

i dont think they happened to find books that had something in common with the show, they are putting in books that influenced them in making the show, doesnt mean they are plot elements, but they may give you clues as to what the fuck is going on. how is that hard to understand

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 12:49 AM. Reason : $$$]

10/9/2005 12:49:14 AM

well no shit they picked books that had something in common, didnt i just say that? the whole point of them leaving the camera on the books long enough to read the title is to spark more interest in the show. now people are going to delve into the books and think up even more crackpot theories which will make them that much more rabid for the next show and that much more willing to accept that the next show wont actually answer many questions.

i mean they have to show books on a bookshelf, of course they show books that are significant to the writers of the show in whatever way. perhaps they are intended to give some insight into the personality of the person/persons in the hole but they are not intended to have a major effect on the plot to the depth of which some you seem to try to make it.

10/9/2005 12:53:50 AM

the whole point of my post was that i think they DID NOT just pick books that had something in common, i think these books influenced them before hand, re-read my post

10/9/2005 12:55:59 AM

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"look they threw the books in there as items that are similar to the show and might spark even more interest amongst fans they arent a plot element, stop trying to make them one"

Who's trying to make them plot elements? To make the book into a plot element would require me to say that it has some significance in the plot of the story, like if pages 4, 8, blah blah blah was the key to everything. I don't think that it is significant for the plot, just in understanding where the show may be heading, or the general theme of the show. One could take this information and combine it with plot elements to form a theory, but I'm not trying to do that.

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"YES THEY ARE THEY HAVE TO BE THEY WERE EXPLICITLY SHOWN IN THE 43 MINUTES OF THE SHOW THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND YOU CANNOT TELL ME OTHERWISE THEY ARE THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING EVERYTHING!!!!"

This coming from the guy that wrote:

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"oh...and do you people not watch enough tv to figure out trends? I can't believe how many of you were overly surprised that Desmond was the guy down under everytime they introduce a new character who reacts with a main character in some fashion...that character is somehow important there's a reason they have Desmond and Jack talking for 5 minutes... also your guys' theories suck and are waaaaaaaay out there stop trying to figure out how Desmond got there. that's not important right now. what's important is "Who is Desmond and what's his role?" obviously since they introduced a direct confrontation between Desmond and Jack, something will be explained within the next two episodes (most likely the next episode)."

You should give the book a read. It's only 160 pages, so someone like yourself who is so high above the "cloud of stupidity and ignorance" should be able to finish it in a sitting. Sereously, give it a read, form your own conclusions, and then you can tell me that its not significant.

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 1:34 AM. Reason : ok, done now]

10/9/2005 1:12:54 AM

i just watched some of season 1 again tonight.....damn if ethan isn't one creepy motherfucka

10/9/2005 1:23:06 AM

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"JUST BECAUSE THEY CHOSE BOOKS THAT HAD PLOT ELEMENTS IN COMMON WITH THE SHOW DOESNT MAKE THE BOOKS A PLOT ELEMENT IN THE SHOW HOW IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?"

maybe if you double post your message in caps lock and then reply with a quote of yourself, someone will care.

now, this:

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"anyone think that the people who caught mike, jin, and sawyer are not the others or that they are the others?"

is something to get pissed over. They're almost certainly not The Others. It's like 10:1 they're The Others. Just because the dude who can't speak english is saying they're the others doesn't mean they are, and there's no reason to think so. Ana-Lucia was on the same plane as the Fuselage group of Jack and Kate. She was sitting 42-F, putting her in the tail section of the plane. She's been there 44 days, just like the rest of them. The Others have been there for at least 16 years, at least since Rousseau.

Maybe the big beefy Shaft looking dude is a bit iffy. He could be from the Nigerian plane or something. Or it could be he's also a member of the tail section and just succumbed to the same illness that Rousseau's crew was afflicted with (over-aggressiveness, wasn't it?). So unless Ana-lucia is working for them, and the Tail Section is somewhere else, the people who're holding them captive is the Tail Section. Maybe they'll finally say next episode "Hey, we're from the same plane! Let's Party!"

There are few absolutes in lost, but I'm as convinced as I can be that Michael/Sawyer/Jin's captives are the Tail Section, and NOT The Others.

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 1:31 AM. Reason : .]

And I'm going to stay (and I'm sure I won't be alone in this) that Jin speaking english is a dream, or maybe a recall. But most likely a dream. You heard him say "Oders" at the end of last season, and at the beginning of ep201 this season. The 'd' sound instead of 'th.' In the previews he says 'everything' instead of 'everyding' in the issue of consistency.

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 1:33 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2005 1:25:59 AM

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"anyone think that the people who caught mike, jin, and sawyer are not the others or that they are the others?"

i'm pretty sure that everyone who has seen this show has to think one of those
SINCE THEY ARE THE ONLY TWO POSSIBILITIES

i mean
they either are the others
or they aren't

its like i can without a doubt say that you are either inhaling, exhaling, or now holding your breath

unless you're dead
AND I DOUBT A DEAD MAN CAN RESPOND TO THIS THREAD

ps
SOCIAL EXPERIMENT
ON THE VIEWERS

10/9/2005 1:35:05 AM

^^^^^either posted his post, or did not post his post.

10/9/2005 1:38:03 AM

^^ What type of experiment?

10/9/2005 1:59:40 AM

Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real money from the show is made. LOST: the T-shirt, LOST: the coloring book, LOST: the lunch box, LOST: the breakfast cereal, LOST: the flamethrower--the kids love this one--last but not least, LOST: the doll.

10/9/2005 2:06:41 AM

LOST URLRES NIGGA I WNAT LOST CERAL WITH MUSHROOMS AND AARSHMELLOWS

10/9/2005 3:01:06 AM

I don't know why some of you think that the "others" are the people from the back of the plane.

Remember, Ethan wasn't on the plane's manifest. Some of you are saying he is one of the "others." So if Ethan wasn't on the list, then the "others" aren't going to be on the list. Therefore the "others" aren't from the back of the plane.

10/9/2005 3:34:21 AM

you sir, are fucking retarded. no one is saying the others are the people from the back of the plane, we are saying that the people holding sawyer, jin, and michael hostage are not "the others" at all, but are simply the people from the back of the plane, sawyer, jin, and michael just think they are the others

10/9/2005 3:45:24 AM

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"you sir, are fucking retarded. no one is saying the others are the people from the back of the plane, we are saying that the people holding sawyer, jin, and michael hostage are not "the others" at all, but are simply the people from the back of the plane, sawyer, jin, and michael just think they are the others"

there's a number of people who still think the group holding sawyer/jin/michael in their little jail are The Others.

10/9/2005 3:49:07 AM

yes, they havent explained if the people that are holding michael, sawyer, and jin are The Others, or people from the back of the plane. but the guy a couple posts above said that people think The Others are the people from the back of the plane, which, obviously, they arent. these are two different arguments.

hence the disparaging remarks that you quoted.

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 3:52 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2005 3:52:23 AM

exactly, i know we dont know for sure yet who the people holding them are, but i was simply saying that no one was arguing the point that staypuff was trying to make

10/9/2005 4:13:51 AM

um...i don't know if you read earlier parts of the thread, but there are several people that think that the "other" are the people from the back of the plane.

I wasn't directing the comment to anyone in particular. I was just catching up on the thread and saw people mention ethan. Then my last comment popped in my head.

so take a chill pill, a deep breath, and relax.....

10/9/2005 4:20:15 AM

no, your comments have infuriated me to the point of wanting to murder someone, i refuse to calm down

10/9/2005 4:22:15 AM

well whatever floats your boat

10/9/2005 4:25:58 AM

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"maybe if you double post your message in caps lock and then reply with a quote of yourself"

huh??

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"They're almost certainly not The Others. It's like 10:1 they're The Others."

we can agree there

10/9/2005 4:36:05 AM

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"Or it could be he's also a member of the tail section and just succumbed to the same illness that Rousseau's crew was afflicted with (over-aggressiveness, wasn't it?). "

10/9/2005 8:32:36 AM

I'm sorry

i thought the show revolved around the characters in the show that have been in the show for almost 30 episodes

not a few books that just appeared for 3 seconds in one show

my mistake

10/9/2005 11:23:50 AM

you guys are stupid.

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 11:30 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2005 11:29:58 AM

haha...whatever...

10/9/2005 12:09:53 PM

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"you guys are stupid."

10/9/2005 1:22:54 PM

is it wednesday yet??? i have to see if there are any more books...oh shit!!! what about that trashy romance novel or whatever sawyer was reading during season 1??!!? they're all going to have a big orgy at the end!! woohoo, yay kate's boobs!!1

10/9/2005 2:08:43 PM

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"I'm sorry i thought the show revolved around the characters in the show that have been in the show for almost 30 episodes not a few books that just appeared for 3 seconds in one show "

i dont know why you started infering that we think the show is about the books, or that the books have some great importance, as littlezz and i have both said, let me quote his earlier post

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"Personally, I think they are leaving clues as to their influences for the show, as well as ideas of the direction it may take"

10/9/2005 5:13:50 PM

i was responding to LittleZZ's comment about me

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 5:36 PM. Reason : 9th post down from top of this page]

10/9/2005 5:36:19 PM

ahh, aight

10/9/2005 5:38:52 PM

Ok charlie, i'm going to try this one more time. I said that the book being there was significant not important, and I chose that wording for a reason. Dictionary.com has several definitions for "significant", but the one people seem to be fixated on is this: "Having or likely to have a major effect, important." However, "significant" is also defined as: "Having or expressing a meaning; meaningful." I tried to make it abundantly clear that I was not saying that the book was important to the plot of the show, but that it did seem to have some meaning. I stated why I felt that the book's placement in the show could imply that it has a meaning for being there, and I stated similarities between the book and show that would reenforce why it had that meaning. So, once again I feel that the meaning, or significance, of the book is: to simply to give the viewer an idea of influences behind the show and, if someone wants to, a starting point to form "crackpot theories."

As for your response to me, once again you're putting words in my mouth. You took what we said, and spun it into this idea that we think that anything "explicitly shown in the 43 minutes of the show" must be important, and that what we said implies that the books "are the answer to everything, everything!!!!!" I responded to what you said with that quote because I thought it was odd that the one person who has said anything remotely close to what you implied was attacking somone else for it. In all honesty, I agree that the interactions are important to the extent that they, at the very minimum, provide some sort of character development, so you can take that for what its worth.

Thats all I have to say on this subject, troll away brother

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 6:50 PM. Reason : mmkay]

10/9/2005 6:44:21 PM

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"what about that trashy romance novel or whatever sawyer was reading during season 1??!!? they're all going to have a big orgy at the end!! woohoo, yay kate's boobs!!1"

well if the trashy romance novel deals with reality and what makes things real and creating things because you think they are there and those creations trying to steal your kids and a mad scientist that does expirements underground and has black smoke then hell yeah, orgy time

actually let me spell it out a little more
turn of the screw deals with reality and ones perception of it. one character creates these ghosts because she fears they are real. we know that some of the research was in parasychology. we also know that some of the characters had things happen to them that they wanted, or had thigns happen that they feared. what if the black smoke is the creation of someones mind after reading that book? all of those other things could have been created as a result of perceived reality. its may be more than just "heres how we got some ideas for the show"

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 7:16 PM. Reason : .]

10/9/2005 7:09:45 PM

So it's like the movie "Sphere" but instead of a sphere, it's an island?

10/9/2005 7:20:10 PM

jon, thanks for the post, and you're right, the book MAY be more than just an example of the writer's influences, I stated as much in my original post on the subject. However, I'm being reserved as to where the connection between the two will come into play, regardless of what others may imply , if it comes in at all.

That said, what do you think about the Walt, polar bear, comic book theory that people have thrown around? It has already been implied that Walt is "special" in a way similar to what you describe by the bird he is studying flying into the window. People then took this and combined it with his facination of polar bears, and came up with an explination of how they ended up on the island. However, last weeks show seems to counter that theory by showing the polar bears when discussing the project's animal studies. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 7:57 PM. Reason : i felt like it]

10/9/2005 7:56:21 PM

i mean, birds do fly into windows
and giant animal testing grounds do have polar bears

its a scientific fact

10/9/2005 8:03:01 PM

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"Ok charlie, i'm going to try this one more time. I said that the book being there was significant not important, and I chose that wording for a reason."

look, i'm sorry you're stupid

but you can't make me look stupid by calling me out for not calling apples "oranges"

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 8:43 PM. Reason : and since when does "significant" not mean "important"?]

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 8:43 PM. Reason : and you actually went to Dictionary.com?!!?!?!]

10/9/2005 8:42:48 PM

good lord you people are morons


it's just a damn tv show shut the fuck up already

10/9/2005 9:02:42 PM

oh the hilarity

10/9/2005 9:12:55 PM

I heard that jack and desmond are actually the same person, like a fight club type thing

10/9/2005 9:14:25 PM

ok, let me get this straight...you call me stupid, and then question that "significant" has a meaning other than "important"? The air must be thin up there above the "cloud of stupidity and ignorance"

Troll on brother

[Edited on October 9, 2005 at 9:30 PM. Reason : ]

10/9/2005 9:29:49 PM

Quote :

"I heard that jack and desmond are actually the same person, like a fight club type thing"

maybe, but I still think that Sawyer's porn novel is the key to it all!!!1 get some M-Rod on Kate action

10/9/2005 9:32:12 PM

Quote :

"Troll on brother"

you're the one who attempted to prove your point by typing out a bunch of shit that no one read....

10/9/2005 9:38:29 PM

It's purgatory.

10/9/2005 9:44:51 PM

exactly

10/9/2005 9:57:18 PM

Quote :

"you guys are stupid."

10/9/2005 10:10:10 PM

aww shucks, no one read what i wrote? you sure about that? I mean surely someone must have read some of it

10/9/2005 10:38:58 PM