on my screen

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 9:45 AM. Reason : ahhh......much better]

2/19/2008 9:45:17 AM

If it was just the lack of a PG that was our only problem, I wouldn't have an issue with Sidney. But this team doesn't rebound, hustle, defend, or show any passion at all. And the coach consistantly rewards this type of play with more playing time.

I'll post this quote from Sidney after the BC game again

Quote :

"I told the guys from this point on, I’m playing guys that are going to defend. If you can’t defend, I’m going to take you out of the game. I don’t care if it’s two minutes into the game I’m going to take you out. I need somebody that’s going to get stops for us."

It baffles me why it took him 75% of a season of crappy basketball to finally realize how to motivate 18 year olds to play good basketball.

2/19/2008 10:04:23 AM

well why dont you apply for the job since you can do better

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 10:07 AM. Reason : and you need to learn how to use edit post and not post 4 times in a row]

2/19/2008 10:07:07 AM

^that argument is almost as tired and irrelevant as the standard n00b saying "well at least I have a life since I don't have 30K posts"

2/19/2008 10:19:46 AM

I was trying to get that pic from the last page off.

And every college coach is beyond criticism from fans b/c we can't do better?

2/19/2008 10:20:59 AM

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"If you don't have an experienced point guard, you lose the turnover battle, have very little assists, and can't effectively run an offense."

You don't need an experienced point guard...you need a good one.

Freshmen point guards are running teams well all over the country. Unfortunately none of the point guards we brought in are good enough to do that.

2/19/2008 10:24:17 AM

look, im just as pissed as the next guy that this team is under performing
but
its his SECOND fucking year and he is going to go through some GROWING PAINS
this is his first 5 Star recruit super freshman

you cant just snap your fingers and get everyone on the team to like each other and play well together

it takes time and all of you wanting immediate gratification need to chill out some

we are all vicitims of the hype

the world isnt ending neither is the sky falling

if any of you really thought we would only lose 4 games like grant said and contend for a NC then you are all homers and crazy

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM. Reason : sdf]

2/19/2008 10:25:06 AM

Again...there aren't but about two or three idiots that are really calling for Sidney's head right now.

Most of us are just saying that there is cause for concern...and you have to be blind not to see that. I think the main concern is Sidney's coaching ability. Throughout his career, there has been about a 2 to 3 week stretch where he has given us evidence that he is a good coach (ACC tourney to NIT run).

So you can throw all the excuses out there...he doesn't have players to run his system, our starting point guard is out, the back-ups suck, Costner is lazy...etc. But what I'm worried about is his coaching. Like when he decided to keep Javi on Rice and never put Fells on him. Or continuing to play Costner huge minutes when our team consistently gets outplayed when he's out there. Or not giving Tracy Smith any minutes after he was our best player in the Clemson game....etc.

He definitely needs his time. But for a guy who has little-to-no history of good head coaching experience...it is definitely a cause for concern.

2/19/2008 10:42:40 AM

No one was expecting a NC. But this team has talent. More talent than most of the teams that are beating us. So far Sidney has done a bad job of coaching this team.

If we win 3 of the remaining 5 and a couple ACCT games, then I'll lay off. But the way we're playing we might be able to beat FSU at home and that's it.

I just don't think that needing late season heroics just to make the NIT 2 seasons in a row is acceptable for a coach at NCSU with the talet we have.

2/19/2008 10:43:09 AM

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" Like when he decided to keep Javi on Rice and never put Fells on him. Or continuing to play Costner huge minutes when our team consistently gets outplayed when he's out there. Or not giving Tracy Smith any minutes after he was our best player in the Clemson game....etc"

oh, you mean like those growing pains i was talking about

i hope he learns from his mistakes but i believe he / coaching staff know a lot more about the game than i do

i dont have to agree with whats going on but then again i wasnt a starting PG on a NC team nor did i coach or play in the nba

2/19/2008 10:44:34 AM

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" i dont have to agree with whats going on but then again i wasnt a starting PG on a NC team nor did i coach or play in the nba"

If this mattered, then the New York Knicks under Isaiah Thomas would be undefeated in the NBA right now. And his coaching in the NBA is nothing you want to use as his defense.

And when do growing pains turn into..."well I guess he just can't coach"???

2/19/2008 10:52:11 AM

i'm definitely not happy with the talent to success ratio right now, but i'm giving sidney another year before i begin to doubt his coaching abilities

2/19/2008 10:58:34 AM

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"If this mattered, then the New York Knicks under Isaiah Thomas would be undefeated in the NBA right now. And his coaching in the NBA is nothing you want to use as his defense. "

thats a stupid analogy using Isaiah, even though they will prbly make the playoffs

Quote :

"In only two seasons with the Grizzlies, Sidney Lowe has led the team to back-to-back franchise-best records, compiling 23-59 marks during the 2000-01 and 2001-02 seasons. Additionally, his total of 46 regular season wins in two seasons with the Grizzlies ranks him as the winningest coach in franchise history"

i know his record was shitty but you have to look at the whole picture...where he coached and who he coached.

he went to the playoffs as an assistant several different times

all im saying is, is that it is still too early for everyone to be jumping off bridges

2/19/2008 11:07:46 AM

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" thats a stupid analogy using Isaiah, even though they will prbly make the playoffs"

Well, folks, look who's wrong again


8. Philadelphia 19.5
9. Atlanta 19.5
10. Chicago 21.0
11. Indiana 21.5
12. Milwaukee 23.5
13. Charlotte 23.5
14. New York 27.0
15. Miami 32.5

2/19/2008 11:13:13 AM

haha
shows you how much i keep up with the NBA

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 11:18 AM. Reason : again, lol...lol...lol]

2/19/2008 11:16:56 AM

Thats the problem with most of the posters on this board. They spout off at the mouth and just assume that they know what they're talking about when they really have no idea.

2/19/2008 11:28:25 AM

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"you didnt even mention Thomas who tore his ACL and is out...another nice recruit"

So THAT is what happened to him. I thought we just redshirted him like we should have Tracy Smith. That makes sense. Thomas isn't a very good basketball player yet but he is crazy athletic. I bet he could run up and down the court...

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 11:30 AM. Reason : x]

2/19/2008 11:29:40 AM

from coaches radio show he said

Quote :

"thomas is running in the pool now"

and
what kind of player is johnny thomas?

Quote :

"a very aggressive mid-range kinda guy, shoot it from 18, but a hard, hard worker; he goes hard every single play; will execute things, will make a shot, everything he does, he goes hard; he will play the 2 and 3 because he can guard both of those positions"

tony - is he a guy who could have helped us this year?

sid - absolutely, he's going to go hard every single second on the floor

2/19/2008 11:51:11 AM

Hey guys, thanks for the support.

2/19/2008 12:57:59 PM

Get 'em tommorrow coach

2/19/2008 1:11:39 PM

Quote :

" I thought we just redshirted him like we should have Tracy Smith."

For whatever reason, not many players redshirt in basketball.

That's not just Sidney doing that. Unless you're absolutely terrible or hurt, no other coach would have redshirted him either. (Using history as a basis. Hell, we didn't redshirt Cedric Simmons...I don't think?...and he was much more raw than Smith. He also probably played less as a Frosh)

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"all im saying is, is that it is still too early for everyone to be jumping off bridges"

Agreed. I have no idea how good or bad Lowe will be, but I'm gonna wait until about year 4 until I see what kind of coach we have. All I know, is that when we had an experienced veteran return last year we went on a tear and could hang with anyone. He did a helluva coaching job with the right pieces.

A lot of coaches can win with other peoples very very good players...especially in football (See: John Bunting, Barry Switzer with the Cowboys, Jeff Jadgodzinski) and a lot of coaches can't win even with very very good players from other systems (See: Mike Kryzooski, Billy Gillispie).

Let him get his players...then judge him.

By the logic many of you are using, Billy Gillispie should be fired at Kentucky (Or at least 'the jury is out on him'). He's got loads of talent and they are underachieving incredibly. He's one of the top 5-8 coaches in the country...easily.



[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 1:24 PM. Reason : ]

2/19/2008 1:11:42 PM

Yeah, I think one of Lowe's strong points will be recruiting. See: Hickson. First year he recruited a freshman All-American I'd say. Let's see what he can do with a couple more of his recruiting classes coming in.

2/19/2008 1:26:32 PM

half of recruiting is talent evaluation... and we passed on Jai Lucas and Chris Warren.... for Javi, Farnold, and Johnson.... absolutely horrible decisions.

2/19/2008 1:38:04 PM

We did not pass on Jai Lucas.

And Degand and Johnson were already ours long before Chris Warren showed up.

Yes, we passed on Warren for Javi. And like it or not, the jury is still out on that one.

YOU CAN'T JUST JUDGE THESE PLAYERS SO EARLY IN THEIR GODDAMN CAREERS

2/19/2008 1:39:41 PM

Jai Lucas passed on us
there was no reason to keep going after someone that will not come here

2/19/2008 1:40:36 PM

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"YOU CAN'T JUST JUDGE THESE PLAYERS SO EARLY IN THEIR GODDAMN CAREERS"

Yeah you can. If you can't see that Javi has a low ceiling, then you are just blind. I just hope that he can play to the best of his ability, and either one of our recruits comes in and is a great point guard or Degand comes back next year and plays well. I support Javi in doing the best he can and will always cheer for him, but we won't succeed in the ACC with him as our starting point guard.

2/19/2008 2:02:00 PM

Sid says "FUCK THA HATERZ"

2/19/2008 2:05:23 PM

I think he might have a low ceiling but it's impossible to tell right now. He's not the most athletic player but good enough and he seems like a smart player, just inexperienced. The easiest thing to fix is not having a lot of experience. The most important things for a point guard to have are composure and on-court intelligence. It's not really easy to judge how well he'll do at these right now.

2/19/2008 2:06:29 PM

low ceiling including staying hopefully healthy and being a productive backup thats getting tonnnnnns of experience while Farnold is out?

its hard to land good PGs and seeing how UNC's year has gone and ours last yaer, one thing you can never have too much of is experience and depth at the point

while he may not ever be the BEST PG on this team he will certainly be a beneficial backup


and yea half these guys passed on us, we didnt pass on them.


and for the people/coaches that come in without their own players and do well
see ROY WILLIAMS for that example

2/19/2008 2:06:43 PM

If anyone's arguing that Lowe is a better coach than Roy at this point, they're a fool. I think Sidney will be a good recruiter and he'll get better at the other stuff as time goes on.

2/19/2008 2:08:42 PM

did anyone say that he was a better coach at this point? no
we are just saying to give the guy some time to get HIS players in HIS style in here

these guys were recruited to pass and shoot from the perimeter not to chase on D or break you down to the basket, you have to realize that. its gonna take awhile to get away from the Herb days because our guys are still relatively young.

heres a great quote from Sid on Javi tho

Quote :

"I don't think Javy Gonzalez is the issue. I know he's not the issue. Javy is not the problem."

he went on to say that losing Farnold was huge because he ran a break you down offense and could chase on D.

You have to be patient, the players we have arent what Sidney wants to bring in quite yet and play his style, just give it time.

2/19/2008 2:12:32 PM

Quote :

"If you can't see that Javi has a low ceiling, then you are just blind"

so Sid is blind?

2/19/2008 2:22:29 PM

maybe sid had plans to use javi as a back-up from the start.

given his year of extra experience, even if degand or johnson is starting next year, javi will be a great benefit to us as a back-up with ACC experience.

2/19/2008 2:32:19 PM

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"so Sid is blind?"

Jesus Christ you are retarded.

No Sid's not blind. That's why Javi was a back-up to begin the year. Sid knew we needed a point guard to back up Degand, so he used a late scholly on Javi. Sid would be blind if he started Javi ahead of a healthy Degand.

2/19/2008 2:52:36 PM

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"half of recruiting is talent evaluation... and we passed on Jai Lucas and Chris Warren.... for Javi, Farnold, and Johnson.... absolutely horrible decisions."

And Jamelle McMillan. He is not great but better than Javi.....

If Sid lands Wall this will be moot but thats not for almost 2 years till he would play.

2/19/2008 3:03:11 PM

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"Jesus Christ you are retarded. "

you didnt get it...did you?

if Sid thought Javi had a low ceiling why would he have offered? stop being such a faggot and use your head for something beside a hat rack

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"That's why Javi was a back-up to begin the year"

... um, no
javi was supposed to be 3rd string to learn and not play at all or much this year at all.
Johnson was to be the back up
please get your shit straight

Quote :

"And Jamelle McMillan. He is not great but better than Javi....."

do you people even follow recruiting
we didnt have a chance w/ Jamelle....wow....Jamelle had a strong, STRONG relationship with Herb. Plus, he didnt really want to leave the west coast.

2/19/2008 3:27:30 PM

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"javi was supposed to be 3rd string to learn and not play at all or much this year at all."

Please gtfo of Sports Talk...or at least this thread. You haven't posted anything with a hint of intelligence in the past few pages.

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"javi was supposed to be 3rd string to learn and not play at all or much this year at all. Johnson was to be the back up please get your shit straight"

First...I didn't say the backup...I said a backup. Newsflash...third string is a backup.

And 2nd...get your shit straight. Johnson was listed as a fucking shooting guard coming out of high school and Tennessee (I have no idea why, the fucker can't shoot for shit...along with Javi).

I'm pretty sure Sidney knew he had Degand coming in as the starter and a shaky backup in Johnson ...so he recruited another backup in Javi. As a college coach you don't (and can't) sign a bunch of top point guards in the same class. You go after who you think will be your starter, then you go after other guys as back-ups or role players...or possible replacements just in case your first guy doesn't work out.

That's what Javi was. Sidney needed a backup or an insurance policy for Degand...and that's what Javi was. I doubt, at any time, that Towe, Lowe, Harris, or Strickland looked at Javi and said, "Hey...that guy right there is going to be our next All-ACC/Chris Corchiani/Lowe/Towe-type point guard." At the most they probably thought he could be a Justin Gainey type (although Javi should pray that he could hold Gainey's jockstrap).

But maybe, just maybe...they thought he could a point guard like Isaiah Thomas...the same guy who is coaching the playoff-bound Knicks....right....

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2008 3:45:15 PM

oh, so now you can read the minds of our coaching staff?

that must be the reason Towe was so in love w/ Javi that he just had to have Sid fly down to see him play.

if i really cared i would look up the link to the article about it.

Quote :

"You haven't posted anything with a hint of intelligence in the past few pages. "

hahha, ok kid...what ever you say buddy
you are not posting anything that no one here doesnt know...

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ]

2/19/2008 3:48:18 PM

We signed Javi becuase we thought we had Chris Wright. Hell, we did have Chris Wright until a last minute change of heart.

Wright changed his mind.... we went into panic mode to find a PG and we got Javi. It's not like Javi was our all-or-nothing #1 choice at PG.

...and I still don't think Javi is that bad of a player. I don't get why everyone is bashing him. I think he's improved tremendously and will become a solid PG

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 3:50 PM. Reason : asdfas]

2/19/2008 3:50:13 PM

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/19/2008 3:54:00 PM

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"that must be the reason Towe was so in love w/ Javi that he just had to have Sid fly down to see him play. "

Yeah...I remember that article. I also remember awesome articles about Trevor Ferguson and videos of him pulling up from 30 feet out and dunking on people people in high school. I also remember articles about how fucking awesome Marcus Stone was in high school. And Jordan Collins was the first ever 4-year starter at Dematha and one of the top 10 players in his class as a freshmen and sophomore.

Javi was also one of last decently rated point guards left on the board.

^And Packbacker is right. Javi was a panic recruit. You don't sign panic recruits to be the star point guard for your program. You sign them to fill in holes and hope they surprise people.

Well Javi is surprising no one. And again...he's not horrible...but at best he could be a solid starting point guard when our main guy is injured or a solid backup when Degan gets back or Mays gets in.

2/19/2008 3:57:10 PM

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"Fells also loves to pass it to the other team on the break."

this has not had enough attention brought to it. it seems like every third pass is straight to an opposing player.

and LOL^^

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 4:06 PM. Reason : ^]

2/19/2008 3:59:47 PM

God we better land Wall (Or equivalent stud PG)


I think our class this year is going to be incredible.... I think we have 3 scholarships and we're on the verge of landing 3 top 50 players (Including... as a real contender....the #1 player in the nation)

2/19/2008 4:02:27 PM

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" I think our class this year is going to be incredible.... I think we have 3 scholarships and we're on the verge of landing 3 top 50 players (Including... as a real contender....the #1 player in the nation)"

wait. . . back up. . .

2/19/2008 4:06:52 PM

yeah, you might be getting ahead of yourself there.

2/19/2008 4:07:23 PM

yeah, wtf are you talking about? This isn't the G-Town board...
There's like 5 guys in the top 50 iirc that haven't signed with anyone yet. Are you thinking Terrelle Pryor? He's #1 in football and had some interest in NC State...

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2008 4:10:01 PM

^ err... 2009 class. My bad

I'm talking about Favors (#1).. and Wall... and Brown

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/19/2008 4:31:17 PM

^ i knew you meant 2009.

i still think you're getting ahead of yourself, unfortunately

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM. Reason : however, if he could pull it off, that class would make this program.]

2/19/2008 4:32:39 PM

actually, i believe you are speaking of packpride delusions

2/19/2008 4:33:29 PM

Wall and Brown are looking very good.

..and many people think that if Favors leaves Georgia (UGA,GT) it will be for NC State.

Anywho...it's early. Not trying to hijack this thread. Lowe sucks

2/19/2008 4:36:09 PM