even in the law school that i'm at they straight up tell you it doesn't matter how good you are, the recommended way to get a job is just to network till someone likes you and luck out

11/8/2011 11:11:15 PM

So what this thread has taught me is that capitalism works perfectly well for those who work hard, know the right people, and get lucky...

11/9/2011 2:02:10 AM

capitalism should work in a way that's compatible with the American dream.


however, it's come to our attention that it was taken from us millimeter by millimeter right under our noses.

11/9/2011 2:05:01 AM

Well it's obviously not working, because 150 million people are too lazy, unlikeable, or unfortunate enough to succeed



[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM. Reason : asdf]

11/9/2011 11:00:37 AM

Quote :

" it's come to our attention that it was taken from us millimeter by millimeter right under our noses"

how so?

did govt take away the ability to spend money literally anywhere and in any fashion you want or something? are you openly ignoring the fact that socialist and communist societies take away those privileges openly and outright?

11/9/2011 11:04:48 AM

Quote :

"Well it's obviously not working, because 150 million people are too lazy, unlikeable, or unfortunate enough to succeed"

exactly. the 99% vs 1% is complete shit and is fabricated to simply get free handouts and rob and plunder success.

it's 150 million vs 150 million in 2 groups:

the part that doesn't pay any taxes includes:

20 million = lazy (EBT)
10 million = unlikeable (EBT and OWS and mentally ill)
60 million = under employed at the moment because of illness(15 mil)/ bad decisions(40 mil)/ or bad luck (5 mil)
60 million = old and can't and don't need to work or young kids


the part that does pay taxes, builds up a working society, and basically babysits the group up above:

the other 150 million americans are hard workers, good decision makers, productive at work and keep jobs, mexicans, and generally persistent in the market place.




[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:15 AM. Reason : ,]

11/9/2011 11:08:03 AM

11/9/2011 11:11:03 AM

I really hope that no one in this thread truly believes that making money is "lucky".

You do realize there are numerous ways to make $100k, almost guaranteed.

Here's a few off the top of my head.

1) Get a professional degree

2) Get a job in sales and put forth effort

3) Get a professional designation and then get a job

4) Build your own business

5) Work a moderate paying job and save your income and invest it in assets that will produce income for you (this takes longer than 1-4, but requires much less effort)

6) Become really good at something that people are willing to pay you for. This could be entertainment, teaching a skill, gambling, etc (this one is more difficult that 1-5, and isn't possible for everyone. Tough shit.)



The common factor in all of these is effort. That's really all it takes to make $100k. Luck can help determine how quickly it happens or how much you might make beyond that. But effort is a common denominator.

You don't truly believe Doctors (#1), Salesmen (#2), Accountants (#3), Zuckerberg (#4), people who live frugally (#5), and NBA players (#6) are all just lucky, do you?

11/9/2011 2:07:50 PM

^the value of the money is worth less than it was 10 years ago.

the value of $100,000 doesn't get you as far as it did back in the day.

We need to focus on retaining the value.


i.e. pay off debts.
i.e. stop printing money.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 2:31:17 PM

While I certainly agree with that statement of fact, at the moment $100k is certainly enough to raise a family comfortably. Also bear in mind that most of the people in 1-6 are making more (and some many times over) $100k.

11/9/2011 2:37:15 PM

Ssly why not protest something worth protesting. All the things wrong with the world and people are fighting about distribution of wealth in the richest country in the world. People in 75% of the world's countries would die so that their families could live in the USA being part of the 99%.

11/9/2011 2:45:48 PM

lol yeah the problem is that people don't have enough incentive to hoard

11/9/2011 2:45:48 PM

We deserve to be better than the other countries because we worked for it.


There is nothing that says other countries can't be as rich as us.

11/9/2011 2:50:37 PM

lol

11/9/2011 2:52:29 PM

You just proved the hypocracy of the whole occupy movement.

I would say the majority of the 1% worked for it.

Now with your statement you are being the 1%. except for in the cases of people in 3rd world countries where they have no chance, People in the US actually have a chance of making a nice living for themselves with hard work

11/9/2011 2:54:26 PM

^^^^

Yeah. Went to lunch with a coworker who lived in France for a while. He said you can't declare bankruptcy there, have to put up several hundred thousands of dollars earnest money when starting a new business, credit card debt is unheard of, and bouncing a check will pretty much get you black balled from every bank in the country.

11/9/2011 2:55:14 PM

ahahaha i set him up for it

11/9/2011 2:59:24 PM

it's pretty simple proceeds from economic activity have to come from consumption or investment

and nothing ensures this equals the amount required for full employment

dudes

11/9/2011 3:28:30 PM

itt GeniuSxBoY admits that the whole united states is the 1% of the world because we WAIT FOR IT..... worked hard to get there.

you're a GeniuSxBoY


nice play-fake boobsrgreat. he fell into the truth too fast. he didn't have time to think about it try to skew it into lies.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ,]

11/9/2011 3:32:20 PM

Quote :

"You do realize there are numerous ways to make $100k, almost guaranteed."

All of which are subject to the dynamics of supply and demand.

Here's the unemployment rate by education level:


Here's the education level as a proportion of overall population.



Let's just pretend we lived in a magical world where we could take everyone with a high school diploma or less-- that's 44% of the population 25 and over (or 44% of 200 million) and get them professional degrees.

Well, now you have a large number of educated unemployed people because there simply aren't enough jobs to go around even if you could educate everyone. The best case scenario is that the glut of skilled workers would lead to significantly lowered salaries, but disproportionate to any increase in opportunity.

Yes, it's absolutely true that there are lots of jobs that companies cannot fill due to a lack of qualified candidates, and there's no question that this exposes a gap in our education system, but the number of available highly skilled job openings is exceeded by the number of unemployed individuals many times over.

So it's intellectually dishonest to simply dismiss the unemployed and underemployed as lazy. There's simply not enough economic activity to bring our unemployment rate down to where it was 5 years ago.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:43 PM. Reason : is exceeded by. doh. ]

11/9/2011 3:34:28 PM

it's either "we worked for 100% of it" or "we worked for 0% of it" to you people ^^

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 3:35:00 PM

I can't wait to join the 1% by killing a bunch of natives and taking their land and then using slave labor to produce my wares

v yeah unemployment for recent college grads is like 10-15%. I dunno what unemployment for recent law grads is but it's high.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:41 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2011 3:36:40 PM

^can you name a western nation that has had slavery for the last several generations?

if you want to find some slavery, you're going to have to look in South Africa,Ethiopia,Chad, Mali,Mauritania,Sudan,Ghana, Togo, and Benin
all ironically which are in africa

and i guess you think those same people sold to various countries 200 years ago would be better off there today too i suppose.


thanks for pointing out that simply having a 2 year degree or higher basically guarantees you are employed currently


/thread
credit -> bobbydigital

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ,]

11/9/2011 3:38:37 PM

lol

11/9/2011 3:41:22 PM

Quote :

"We deserve to be better than the other countries because we worked for it. There is nothing that says other countries can't be as rich as us."

Do you understand that no other country gave us what we have?
Do you understand that we invented our wealth.

Do you understand that we the people don't control our country anymore and everything is going to shit?

11/9/2011 3:45:24 PM

Quote :

" is like 10-15%"

um a bubble popped in 2001-2003 also. we get it life is hard sometimes. it isn't a fucking piece of cake every single month of every single year

v he just can't stop. i say let him go. it will just end this sooner rather than later.


[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ,]

11/9/2011 3:48:15 PM

Do you understand that you're better off not commenting further on this as you have been shamed to insignificance?

11/9/2011 3:48:50 PM

You're living in your own world, boobs.

11/9/2011 3:49:43 PM

yo genius boy the US has always played dirty pool, man

11/9/2011 3:49:52 PM

Whoooooo cares.


It doesn't make it right.

11/9/2011 3:50:41 PM

Well which is it? Are you basically guaranteed to be employed currently or not?

11/9/2011 3:51:01 PM

Quote :

"we the people don't control our country anymore"

yep. it's all in exxons hands now. they make all the laws. you got us. you win.

11/9/2011 3:51:51 PM

change "exxon" to "corporationssss" and you got yourself a valid sentence.

11/9/2011 3:52:39 PM

Quote :

"Well which is it? Are you basically guaranteed to be employed currently or not?"

do you not watch tv? literally every single moron out there is complaining that they can't land a 75k job or higher. reporters are basically showing them job openings on the same sidewalks they are dancing on, and they are spitting in their faces.

man the fuck up and make 10 dollars an hour until you can get a real job???? shit man. if you do that interim job well you might just get a promotion because of a baby boomer retiring or some aweful shit.

god damn. it's almost pathetic at this point to comment.

11/9/2011 3:54:17 PM

haha the only thing that's pathetic is your reliance on the dummy media and the lies they pipe to you

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 3:54:52 PM

pack_bryan, the media is run by corporations. the news presented to you is screened by corporations.

11/9/2011 3:57:00 PM

so you morons are saying actual video of actual people saying actual sentences with no breaks in the feed is censored 'lying media'?



[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM. Reason : l]

11/9/2011 3:57:11 PM

I don't watch TV because I'm usually working too much

11/9/2011 3:57:32 PM

absolutely.


they do it in fiction films all the time.

11/9/2011 3:57:55 PM

what i'm saying is that the interviews that the media chooses to show you is the equivalent of going to the south and picking somebody like you (or any member of your family) as a representative. you'd get on TV, dribble oatmeal onto your chin, and people would laugh at the south as usual

11/9/2011 3:58:30 PM

LoL... what's spike tv's motto?

It's not reality, It's actuality.

11/9/2011 3:58:41 PM

for the 'corporations' no doubt



while i'm being lied to by actual crystal clear 1080p live feed from the actual sidewalks where real actual human beings are expressing bullshit opinions in broad daylight.

right

11/9/2011 4:00:57 PM

do you know what the fuck a video camera is

11/9/2011 4:01:23 PM

Man we really do need to restart this thread with some basic assumptions laid out

11/9/2011 4:07:48 PM

no we're just bein trolled or whatever i guess

but sometimes i think kindly on the lurkers and decide to post

11/9/2011 4:09:49 PM

Quote :

"man the fuck up and make 10 dollars an hour until you can get a real job???? shit man. if you do that interim job well you might just get a promotion because of a baby boomer retiring or some aweful shit. "

Or, it's more likely that they view you working for $10/hour as being for some extenuating reason, and not as a career. Why promote you to assistant department manager for $12.50/hour when it won't be long before you leave for a job that requires your degree and pays you more?

A decade of raises at Kroger or Toys R Us probably gets you to your post-college starting salary in your chosen degree field.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 4:11:40 PM

^yeh man those are the only options available.

also. whats the fuck-up about making only 40k a year? is it like a 'requirement' now that everybody makes 60k a year just to fucking survive?



hang on i need to go watch a youtube video of some OWS'ers that were CGI'd into the video with better than Avatar level graphics/lighting and sound

lol

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ,]

11/9/2011 4:19:13 PM

so basically you're admitting you've formed your opinion about the goals of the OWS movement by watching a few carefully selected interviews of dumbasses?

cool, now i understand and can comfortably disregard everything you say

11/9/2011 5:17:01 PM

They shut down the Yard to everybody but those with IDs because we have students protesting right now.

http://occupyharvard.tumblr.com/

11/9/2011 8:21:23 PM

http://toomuchonline.org/madison-ave-declares-mass-affluence-over/

11/9/2011 8:33:48 PM