LudaChris All American 7946 Posts user info edit post |
NFC South is a complete joke, haha. Wildcard teams are looking forward to beating whoever ends up winning the NFC South(hint: it's the Saints). 11/10/2014 8:28:04 AM |
sag1804 All American 914 Posts user info edit post |
^ Most teams will NOT be winning inside the super dome. Sorry pal. But if it us (the panthers) then we could possibly host like a 11-5 cowboys team and get blasted LOL...then again do yall remember the 7-9 seahawk team from a few years back? 11/10/2014 11:44:14 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/11/10/5305102/better-starting-qb-eagles-mark.html?sp=/99/121/
Quote : | "Better starting QB, Eagles’ Mark Sanchez or Panthers’ Cam Newton?
Cam Newton or Mark Sanchez?
That’s the question former Pro Bowl quarterback Boomer Esiason was asked by Michael Barkann and Ike Reese on the 94WIP Mike & Ike Show in Philadelphia on Friday
The Carolina Panthers haven’t won in four weeks, and Newton’s play hasn’t been what people in Charlotte have come to expect from the former No. 1 overall pick. But have things really gotten to the point that there’s a serious debate?
There is in Philadelphia – the site of the Panthers primetime game Monday. The Mike & Ike Show spent much of Friday asking fans if they would rather have Sanchez or Newton as their starting quarterback for Monday night’s game. The majority, they say, chose Sanchez, who has taken over for the injured Nick Foles.
Esiason said his answer is not as cut and dried as it might have seemed a month ago, either.
“That’s a very good question,” Esiason told the Mike & Ike Show. “Cam has really struggled here of late. I would still want Cam, simply because he’s young, he’s dynamic, he’s a superman when he plays at a very high level. I think he has been somewhat hamstrung down there in Carolina by some of the decisions that they’ve made this past off season, and he’s really been hurt by that.
“That’s a very good question,” Esiason told the Mike & Ike Show. “Cam has really struggled here of late. I would still want Cam, simply because he’s young, he’s dynamic, he’s a superman when he plays at a very high level. I think he has been somewhat hamstrung down there in Carolina by some of the decisions that they’ve made this past off season, and he’s really been hurt by that.
“But the interesting thing is, if you had to tell me I could have Mark Sanchez for what he’s making, as opposed to what Cam Newton thinks he should be making, then I would take Mark Sanchez.”
Newton is due to become a free agent after the 2015 NFL season.
Is this just Philly fans being Philly fans? Or is there more to it?
On Wednesday, Observer columnist Scott Fowler noted that his inbox has been full of messages saying the Panthers should start Derek Anderson and never sign Newton to a long-term contract.
“Although it is harder to be one these days, I remain a Newton supporter,” Fowler wrote. “I believe Carolina’s best chance to win long-term is to eventually sign him to a long-term deal.”
So, is Newton still the quarterback of the future for Carolina?" |
yes, yes he is.11/10/2014 1:00:08 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
He's had 3 bad games, before which he was playing at the highest level of his career. The timing is unfortunate as it's coincided with an improved effort from the defense, but its still only a small drop in a very large bucket. Starting over with a new QB would be absolutely disastrous for this franchise. Jake Delhomme isn't walking through that door.
[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM. Reason : :] 11/10/2014 1:06:00 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
Oh dear god. I mean, Newton has been pretty awful the last couple games. But have people forgotten how terrible Sanchez was? Because if you have...take a look at who is at the very bottom of this list
Fuck outta here with this bullshit:
Quote : | " “But the interesting thing is, if you had to tell me I could have Mark Sanchez for what he’s making, as opposed to what Cam Newton thinks he should be making, then I would take Mark Sanchez.”" |
I don't care if Sanchez plays for free...you don't want him as your starting QB. Fucking idiotic
[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM. Reason : d]11/10/2014 1:25:05 PM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
Yet Sanchez will probably get the win tonight. One can hope that Cam will end up without as huge a contract after this season and then figure out how to be good again after that. May allow us the space to build around him. 11/10/2014 1:58:36 PM |
ndmetcal All American 9012 Posts user info edit post |
Seems like a lot of people are assuming that if you choose Sanchez that you get the rest of the Eagles offense with him, while if you choose Newton that you're saddled with the rest of the Panthers offense 11/10/2014 2:04:50 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
because a QB is responsible for the offense, defense, and special teams
I thought we were smarter than assigning wins and losses to quarterbacks 11/10/2014 2:05:20 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
Sanchez was serviceable enough to make 2 AFC championship games; having an extra $13 million in cap space to work with gives you a lot of options on how to build a winning football program around your quarterback. 11/10/2014 2:10:55 PM |
wolfpack2105 All American 12428 Posts user info edit post |
Put Cam in that Chip Kelly offense with those weapons and he is destroying the league. I'm not a huge Cam fan, but Chip Kelly would make him a star. 11/10/2014 2:27:14 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
^^ you don't pinch pennies with a QB entering his prime, especially when that QB possess tools that no other QB in the league has
^they had to the option to fire Rivera in favor of hiring Chip Kelly, and they went with the safe, conservative choice (which is par for the course) 11/10/2014 2:46:59 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
^^^The Jets didn't make the AFC Championship because of Mark Sanchez though.
[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM. Reason : cam deserves whatever contract he gets.] 11/10/2014 2:48:03 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "especially when that QB possess tools that no other QB in the league has" |
There are a good number of NFL QBs that possess the "inconsistent accuracy" tool.11/10/2014 3:03:23 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
good one 11/10/2014 3:05:19 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27841 Posts user info edit post |
It's funny cuz it's true.
Personally I think the Panthers are in a shitty position regarding Cam. He's gonna want huge money. He hasn't proven himself worthy of superstar money. If they give him lots of guaranteed money/money not tied to incentives, they are morons. But they can't not get a deal done. That would be a terrible look for the franchise. 11/10/2014 3:50:05 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Anyone else going to the game? I'm in section 227 11/10/2014 4:12:51 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "He hasn't proven himself worthy of superstar money." |
There's only like 5 QBs in the league worthy of superstar money
I almost want him to go somewhere else, even though management will never let it happen, just so some of you people can see how bad we suck with the next Jimmy Clausen or Brian St. Pierre11/10/2014 4:32:27 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "But they can't not get a deal done. That would be a terrible look for the franchise." |
Fixed that
^I know what you mean. Have some people forgotten how bad those post-Delhomme/pre-Cam years were?11/10/2014 4:40:50 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
it's pretty damn easy to be fine with a few overthrows per game when your QB can more than make up for it in a variety of other ways
his accuracy is fine, and he routinely throws absurdly accurate, through-coverage throws that get dropped a few times per game
Tom Brady has consistently overthrown his receivers deep for the past 5 or so years, but folks let it slide seeing as how he's Tom Brady 11/10/2014 5:04:43 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
Let's not forget how much Cam has had going against him, and how remarkable his improvement has been. Outside of Gus Malzahn, who taught him how to run plays by reading flash cards held up by coaches on the sideline, he hasn't had any good coaching in his entire career. Especially compared to guys like Wilson, Luck, and Kaep. He took over a very bad team that has improved defensively but still lacks talent on offense. The whole media narrative of being the next Vince Young, etc....
Despite all that, he's been consistently improving as a passer since entering the league. While he hasn't thrown for as many yards as his rookie year, his efficiency numbers have all improved. Before these last 3 games, he was leading the league in advanced passer stats. This was after coming of an offseason of rehab and injuries where he missed months of practice time. If anything, what's holding him back is the amount of time spent running the read option instead of actually playing pro football.
At this point, I think it's too late to fix some of the problems that cause the inconsistencies in his game, especially the tendency to throw high when pressured. That's really a mechanical problem that only reps can fix, and you only get so many of those in a career. What he needs now is a decent offensive line, some WRs who can consistently catch the ball, and some decent coaching before it's too late for him altogether. 11/10/2014 5:04:45 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Keyshawn is the only one of the 4 letter fuckes who picked us
Can't wait to hear Berman crying when his bitch ass gets taken out 11/10/2014 8:15:09 PM |
ncstatetke All American 41128 Posts user info edit post |
whoops x 2
[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 8:42 PM. Reason : n] 11/10/2014 8:33:16 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
welp 11/10/2014 8:33:34 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
christ almighty 11/10/2014 8:39:01 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27841 Posts user info edit post |
LOLOLOLOLOL 11/10/2014 8:39:39 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
way to help your qb, Kelvin 11/10/2014 8:40:27 PM |
Kickstand All American 11597 Posts user info edit post |
Tirico called Cam Newton "Vick" 11/10/2014 8:44:38 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
looked much better on that drive.
let's see what the d can do when we don't gift them incredible field position. 11/10/2014 8:57:37 PM |
ncstatetke All American 41128 Posts user info edit post |
oooh that was nasty 11/10/2014 9:07:45 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
Cam is the Fool's Golden God 11/10/2014 9:10:50 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
I like how Jordan Matthews is apparently totally uncoverable. 11/10/2014 9:23:54 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
Getting lit up by mark fuckin Sanchez. Might be time to bust out black ops 11/10/2014 9:26:05 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
at least i can get to bed at a reasonable hour tonight 11/10/2014 9:27:00 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Byron "Revolving Door" Bell 11/10/2014 9:30:42 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
What the hell was that Shula?
3 straight runs with deangelo, then a shot to the end zone on 4th and 1? 11/10/2014 9:42:37 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
4th and 1, overthrow 20 yards downfield. That should get Shula fired right there 11/10/2014 9:42:41 PM |
LudaChris All American 7946 Posts user info edit post |
Derek "2nd Half" Anderson time? 11/10/2014 9:51:23 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
well thats about enough of that 11/10/2014 9:52:38 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
Cam is completely useless right now. It's like night and day from his rookie year to now, in the worst possible way 11/10/2014 9:52:58 PM |
ncstatetke All American 41128 Posts user info edit post |
hope Olsen can pick up a few garbage time TDs 11/10/2014 9:56:05 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Cam is completely useless right now. It's like night and day from his rookie year to now, in the worst possible way" |
Wonder why that might be
11/10/2014 9:57:21 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
crazy how multiple injuries and one of the worst offensive lines in the league is enough for some to comfirm their "Cam Newton just isn't that good" hypotheses 11/10/2014 10:04:42 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
I know he threw 2 picks, one that was returned
But lol at blaming Cam for Philly scoring 31 in the first half 11/10/2014 10:05:33 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
How can you expect us to cover a top flight WR like Jordon Matthews? I mean they already named a high school after him in Chatham County. 11/10/2014 10:19:45 PM |
LudaChris All American 7946 Posts user info edit post |
I don't blame Cam exclusively, but he's definitely a large portion of it.
Taking bad sacks(holding the ball too long on a few of his sacks). Throwing 3 interceptions, thought one was that horrible hail mary attempt at the end of the half. Missing a ton of passes. Trying to force the ball into coverage. Looks completely immobile.
He just doesn't look like he's healthy or on tonight. 11/10/2014 10:20:11 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Taking bad sacks(holding the ball too long on a few of his sacks)." |
.5 seconds11/10/2014 10:27:01 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
he literally just had a lineman pushed into him
kind of hard to do anything when that happens 11/10/2014 10:30:48 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""Cam Newton just isn't that good" hypotheses" |
11/10/2014 10:31:03 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Cam should've batted down that pass 11/10/2014 10:31:50 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
will that be the play that causes Harper to retire? 11/10/2014 10:31:52 PM |