Graham had a knee-injury and wasn't playing for a while

[Edited on December 22, 2011 at 12:50 PM. Reason : one reason for his "downgrade"]

12/22/2011 12:50:30 PM

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"Lewis will probably play sparingly next year. 5 min or less in conference play almost for sure. He's not ranked high enough to make me think he's ready to play as a freshman anyway and he's got a nutload of talent in front of him. We've got quite the logjam and Purvis/Lobo will need at minimum 30 mins each I would think. Graham and Warren will get 10-20 mins depending on how ready they are and Wood will still get 25-30 mis. No room for Lewis next year but he's already said he doesn't mind waiting his turn. Sub top 50 recruits have no business seeing the court in the ACC as a freshman. We're just not used to that because we haven't had legitimate rosters in so long."

Purvis doesn't need 30 min a game.

12/22/2011 12:56:42 PM

I just noticed that rivals added descriptions to their profiles, for lewis, it's"

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"Shooting:Good Handle:Good Passing:Outstanding Strengtheveloping "

12/22/2011 12:58:59 PM

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"And Scott Wood basically is a guard. He stands around the 3 point line and he's allergic to rebounds. He's essentially a third guard already. He's not going to move to PF that's for sure so his minutes are up for grabs theoretically."

I agree his minutes are up for grabs--and should be if all he's going to do is stand around the three point line like a dumbass-- but he is not and should not be considered as someone who will take "guard minutes".

And yes, Graham was downgraded due to not playing because of injury.

12/22/2011 1:00:14 PM

I just read the first page of this thread, and there was a similar discussion about too many guards. Except on page 1 the discussion was about how Wall would find time with all of our other guards:

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"Trevor Ferguson (R-Jr); Marques Johnson (Jr); Farnold Degand (potentially a R-So); Javi Gonzalez (So); and Julius Mays (Fr)."

12/22/2011 1:01:11 PM

Purvis is a stud. If you are suggesting that Lewis will be taking minutes from Purvis (or Lobes) you are crazy.


Hopefully Lewis pans out for us but he doesn't look very promising for next year. He's small and unathletic.

Hopefully with some training, diet, age he will become an ACC caliber PG by his junior year. A lot of these "sick" passes you guys are talking about our PG in high school could make easily.

Harrow was a sick passer last year too. Still wasn't worth a shit in ACC play. If Harrow couldn't score I'm not sure what makes anyone think this guy can either. Watching his highlight video I barely saw any shots that he will be able to get in college.

12/22/2011 1:01:28 PM

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"If Harrow couldn't score I'm not sure what makes anyone think this guy can either."

on point, as usual. oh shit no pun intended.

12/22/2011 1:04:14 PM

^come on now face. i agree that lewis will be used sparingly next year. but monkeys aren't the only one saying his passes are "sick". most of all the credible recruiting analysts are saying he's one, if not THE best passer in the class.

12/22/2011 1:05:52 PM

^^^^^ While he's not technically a guard his minutes are definitely up for grabs because we could easily play a lineup of Brown, Purvis, Graham/Warren which would leave Scott Wood on the bench in all likelihood because Wood isn't the type of player you can go with at PF. (unless we are comfortable with Warren at PF as a freshman, or we really want to go small against someone for matchup reasons).


There's no reason to get worked up over "positions". Positions are meaningless in college basketball. The point is Wood plays like a guard. He's perimeter oriented and he doesn't ever get a rebound so his minutes are theoretically up for grabs next season.

Now unless Graham/Warren are the 2nd coming there's almost no chance they take many of Wood's minutes. I'd still expect him to play around 30mpg because he's deadly offensively and adequate defensively. Perhaps having some rest during the game will be what he needs to shake off his career long slump in the clutch.

[Edited on December 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM. Reason : a]

12/22/2011 1:07:13 PM

sometimes i think he fouls out on purpose

12/22/2011 1:08:12 PM

Purvis is too dangerous of a scorer to be playing PG and passing it to others. We need the ball in his hands and people setting screens for him.

12/22/2011 1:12:01 PM

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""Trevor Ferguson (R-Jr); Marques Johnson (Jr); Farnold Degand (potentially a R-So); Javi Gonzalez (So); and Julius Mays (Fr).""

lmao I just puked

12/22/2011 1:15:09 PM

Lorenzo Brown is one of the top passing, rebounding, and stealing PG's in the entire country right now. On top of that he has an effective shooting % above 50%.

There is no fucking way that 365 days from now he is on the bench and some guy who looks borderline unimpressive in HS mixtapes is going to be playing over him.

I realize the guy is white and everyone secretly wants him to start but let's try to see through the great racial divide and recognize that one of these players is a star and one of them is not.

12/22/2011 1:17:26 PM

not one person has even hinted at lewis starting over brown

12/22/2011 1:19:29 PM

Wood will lose minutes if he can't contribute other than 3's. It's not like he's a JJ Reddick 3pt shooter either. When his 3pt shot is on lockdown like any top caliber team will be sure of (see Syracuse), he is basically useless as he seems to refuse to develop any sort of game inside the 3pt line.

Purvis is a shooting guard. I would expect to see Brown/Lewis at the point, however, Purvis can handle the ball well enough we finally have some depth if someone goes down.

12/22/2011 1:20:29 PM

dude, did you miss the part where I said he'd be playing sparingly? i hope noone thinks lewis is going to take a lot of minutes from brown. i just said he's considered one of the best passers of the 2012 class. he's legit, just going to have to ease into college ball.

12/22/2011 1:20:58 PM

no worries, face likes to rage argue against points that no one ever made. It's kind of his thing.

12/22/2011 1:21:46 PM

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"he seems to refuse to develop any sort of game inside the 3pt line. "

i disagree, he's made a lot of plays inside the arc this year that i've been surprised to see out of him.

12/22/2011 1:23:28 PM

^yep...as recently against st. bonaventure, he drove to the basket twice and got to the line down the stretch.

12/22/2011 1:25:30 PM

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"I'd still expect him to play around 30mpg because he's deadly offensively and adequate defensively. Perhaps having some rest during the game will be what he needs to shake off his career long slump in the clutch."

Although face rarely makes NBA comparisons, I'm feeling like you can have thrown Kerr out there as a nice little book end to that paragraph.

12/22/2011 1:28:23 PM

and really, i've been pretty happy with wood's conrtibutions this year, even if the majority of it is threes (not happy with his silly fouls though)

12/22/2011 1:28:58 PM

Um back up a page. There have been several people saying Lewis will play quite a bit at PG next year.

Im just explaining that there is no room at the inn for baby Lewis.

He will have a year or two to learn the position and then if he's good enough he might become an ACC player.

Being a good passer means dick if you don't have athleticism and/or scoring ability.

It's a basketball not a football. Anyone can pass it. It's not like having Marcus Stone at QB. This is just a little round ball that bounces.

12/22/2011 1:30:07 PM

haha, okay face, okay.

12/22/2011 1:30:45 PM

^ yeah srsly.

Also, wtf is this?

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"It's not like he's a JJ Reddick 3pt shooter either. When his 3pt shot is on lockdown like any top caliber team will be sure of (see Syracuse), he is basically useless as he seems to refuse to develop any sort of game inside the 3pt line."

JJ got a good bit of his points from free throws. If you had to analyze which guy was the best lockdown-sure-to-hit a 3, it would be Wood.

12/22/2011 1:31:25 PM

And y'all want to suspend me from Sports Talk smh smh

12/22/2011 1:36:31 PM

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"Um back up a page. There have been several people saying Lewis will play quite a bit at PG next year."

no theres not, at most there is me saying he will be browns primary back up, which he will be, that should be about 10 mpg max. purvis will play the 1 some but he's gonna see most of his minutes at 2

12/22/2011 1:36:44 PM

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"Being a good passer means dick if you don't have athleticism and/or scoring ability."

What's your take on UNC's Marshall then?

12/22/2011 1:38:34 PM

This is one those sports where the other team guards you and tries to prevvent you from scoring.

Most of the teams in the ACC (excluding us obviously) don't just move out of the way so that you can pass it to them for a layup.

I averaged 2.5 asts in HS as a SG. Know how many I would average in the ACC? Zero. Because I wouldn't see the court.

You don't get a lot of assists on the bench, therefore your passing skill isn't ultimately all that important.

Rebounds, Defense, Shooting, Scoring, Athleticism. Those are major skills. Passing? It's a complementary skill. By itself, it's not a big deal.

It's like having a first baseman that's a really good fielder. Fucking great. He's still not going to play if he can't hit.

12/22/2011 1:40:46 PM

[Edited on December 22, 2011 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2011 1:40:53 PM

face bringing the troll hard today. Really upping the bar.

12/22/2011 1:41:01 PM

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"no theres not, at most there is me saying he will be browns primary back up, which he will be, that should be about 10 mpg max. purvis will play the 1 some but he's gonna see most of his minutes at 2"

to be fair, this all started when you implied that there'd be a logjam when there is no logjam.

12/22/2011 1:43:37 PM

I like how everbody is ignoring my genius.

12/22/2011 1:45:46 PM

12/22/2011 1:46:07 PM

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"I averaged 2.5 asts in HS as a SG."

+1 chop

gotta be looking to score from that SG spot

12/22/2011 1:47:16 PM

^^^^where did I state that, the only thing I've stated is that lewis will be the back up behind brown thus sseeing some minutes. he's definitely not gonna see jaquan minutes next year (i.e. none), probably closer to TDT 5-10

[Edited on December 22, 2011 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/22/2011 1:47:38 PM

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/index

Nice

12/22/2011 1:47:54 PM

Kendall Marshall.

He's got the 6th highest assist rate in the NCAA this year so he's a top notch passer obviously.

He's also surrounded by a supporting cast that's nearly 100% NBA first round picks. Many of whom would have been lottery picks last year if they'd gone pro and shouldn't even still be in college.

Other than his spectacular assist numbers he has quite a few things working against him.

Low shooting %, low FTA, high turnover rate, supremely low FGA which makes his low shooting % even more questionable, doesn't rebound, doesn't get steals.

So my "take" on Marshall is that he's not very good and he's unbelievably overrated. He's a great fit on that team though because he gets the ball to their stars and doesn't waste possessions taking shots he obviously isn't capable of hitting.

Remember Ed Cota? He was deemed the greatest PG of all time when he had Jamison, Carter, and Williams around him. Then they all went to the NBA and he went from being ED COTA! to (oh that's ed cota)

[Edited on December 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM. Reason : a]

12/22/2011 1:48:42 PM

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"BREAKING: Just spoke with @TorianG4 asking about commit to NCSU. "It's up in the air. Something has come up." Asked that I call back later."

from Jeff Gravley on twitter

12/22/2011 1:50:59 PM

LOL these fucking kids

12/22/2011 1:52:13 PM

12/22/2011 1:53:04 PM

lawls

12/22/2011 1:53:21 PM

Saps you are saying TDT gets 5-10 minutes. And then saying Lewis will get 10 minutes.

The problem is TDT gets like 1-2 minutes per game. And that's probably a lot closer to what Lewis will get than 10.

And mean maybe he comes out next year and starts breaking people off all over the place.

I just don't see it. 5 mins per game in ACC play. He's just not ready.


I find it really hard to believe Lobrone and Purvney are going to be gnawing their cuticles on the bench next year against UNC while Tyler "Honeydrop" Lewis is throwing lobs off the backboard to Calvin Leslie.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it.

[Edited on December 22, 2011 at 1:56 PM. Reason : a]

12/22/2011 1:54:18 PM

epic nc state shit impending

12/22/2011 1:54:49 PM

COMMIT

DECOMMIT

RECOMMIT

DECOMMIT

12/22/2011 1:55:11 PM

Is this shit even credible yet?

12/22/2011 1:55:53 PM

TDT was the first name that came to mind in a minutes comparison. I'm saying he'll get 5-10, you're saying he'll get 1-5, either way its a silly thing to argue about. the point is he will see the floor, even if sparingly. we dont have the depth at 1 for him not to play some. and no one said he would start over brown.

[Edited on December 22, 2011 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

12/22/2011 1:56:42 PM

Something came up? What....?

12/22/2011 1:56:48 PM

PP says it is

12/22/2011 1:57:01 PM

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" JJ got a good bit of his points from free throws. If you had to analyze which guy was the best lockdown-sure-to-hit a 3, it would be Wood."

I would take Redick every day of the week. You obviously forget him singlehandedly beating us on multiple vacations.

12/22/2011 1:58:03 PM

.......................

12/22/2011 1:58:07 PM