page 31 is getting closer to the truth

8/2/2007 1:00:38 AM

I usually don't bother with these sort of things

But...

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-03-04-1.html

^^ You can close this thread now.

[Edited on August 2, 2007 at 2:39 PM. Reason : .]

8/2/2007 2:39:12 PM

Oh no, he posted a link to a blog.

CASE CLOSED.

NEXT TOPIC.

8/2/2007 2:41:20 PM

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=114

Quote :

"So let’s assume for argument’s sake that Mann, Bradley and Hughes made some terrible mistake in their statistical analysis, so we need to discard their results altogether. This wouldn’t change our picture of the last millennium (or anything else) very much: independent groups, with different analysis methods, have arrived at similar results for the last millennium. The details differ (mostly within the uncertainty bounds given by Mann et al, so the difference is not significant), but all published reconstructions share the same basic features: they show relatively warm medieval times, a cooling by a few tenths of a degree Celsius after that, and a rapid warming since the 19th Century. Even without Mann et al, we’d still be stuck with a “hockey stick” type of curve – quite boring."

The list of false claims by "Steve"
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=8

[Edited on August 2, 2007 at 7:12 PM. Reason : ]

8/2/2007 6:58:30 PM

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea.html

8/12/2007 9:55:50 AM

Oh no, he posted a link to a blog.

CASE CLOSED.

NEXT TOPIC.

8/12/2007 11:36:52 AM

Damn its been hot in the Carolinas. Just got back from San Francisco and it was 68-72 all week, with sunny skys and a slight breeze. Even wore a fleece half the time.

8/15/2007 8:11:51 AM

you should have been here last week.

8/15/2007 8:15:23 AM

Data on Atlantic flow are undercut
A perceived slowdown in circulation, linked to global warming, may actually have been normal variations in the flow pattern.

Quote :

"A massive ocean circulation pattern that plays a crucial role in shaping the world's climate may not have been slowing down over the last few decades as scientists previously believed, according to a study released Thursday. The perceived slowdown had been considered alarming support for computer predictions that global warming would disrupt the planet's heat regulation. In a single year of measurements, published in today's issue of the journal Science, the scientists found enough normal variation in the pattern to suggest that previous studies were premature in asserting a long-term trend."

Quote :

"Despite their own findings, many of the researchers believe that a slowdown is occurring. But they lack proof."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-ocean17aug17,1,6203208.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 2:08 PM. Reason : PS: ]

8/20/2007 2:07:21 PM

Should be a busy hurricane season.

I'm going to Belize next week, I hope Hurricane Dean doesn't totally destroy it.

8/20/2007 5:25:30 PM

^ It was actually scaled back slightly for 2007, but the risk may still be up a bit.

http://www.denverpost.com/education/ci_6536717

8/20/2007 7:04:10 PM

Quote :

"Despite their own findings, many of the researchers believe that a slowdown is occurring. But they lack proof."

that sentence says it all.

btw, anyone catch the newsweek article recently that said, effectively, that GW "deniers" were paying off scientists and spending lots of money to convince the public that GW didn't exist? then they made the comparison to cigarette companies spending lots of money advertising that cigarettes weren't harmful...

how much lower can these people get with their "poisoning the well" tactics?

8/20/2007 10:19:35 PM

http://www.drudgereport.com/gore.htm
way to lead, algore

9/8/2007 11:09:22 AM

You should know by now that you can't parrot something from Matt Drudge without the flashy lights. Come on.

9/8/2007 12:02:06 PM

Gore is handling the emissions from that plane by paying himself for pollution credits

9/8/2007 12:10:04 PM

But he cares. After all isn't that what really matters ?

9/8/2007 3:22:19 PM

Unless he travels by foot he is a hypocrite.

9/8/2007 3:59:00 PM

^ I find it damned peculiar that if Republicans don't practice what they preach, you and your ilk have spasms calling them hypocrites--and worse; but if Democrats don't practice what they preach, you and your ilk immediately launch defenses claiming it's just the "vast right-wing conspiracy" out to get them.

What a giant truckload of bullshit. But you're composting with that manure, right?

9/9/2007 4:46:02 AM

hooksaw - you are simply an idiot

9/9/2007 5:43:04 PM

^ Stop trolling, herpball.

9/9/2007 7:20:25 PM

Limousine Liberal Hypocrisy
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Quote :

"'Goldman Sachs has been one of the most aggressive firms on Wall Street about taking action on climate change; the company sends its bankers home at night in hybrid limousines.' --The New York Times, Feb. 25 Written without a hint of irony--if only your neighborhood dry cleaner sent his employees home by hybrid limousine--this front-page dispatch captured perfectly the eco-pretensions of the rich and the stupefying gullibility with which they are received. Remember the Leonardo DiCaprio and Al Gore global-warming pitch at the Academy Awards? Before they spoke, the screen at the back of the stage flashed not-so-subliminal messages about how to save the planet. My personal favorite was 'Ride mass transit.' This to a conclave of Hollywood plutocrats who have not seen the inside of a subway since the moon landing and for whom mass transit means a stretch limo seating no fewer than 10. Leo and Al then portentously announced that for the first time ever, the Academy Awards ceremony had gone green. What did that mean? Solar panels in the designer gowns? It turns out that the Academy neutralized the evening's 'carbon footprint' by buying carbon credits. That means it sent money to a 'carbon broker,' who promised, after taking his cut, to reduce carbon emissions somewhere on the planet equivalent to what the stars spewed into the atmosphere while flying in on their private planes. In other words, the rich reduce their carbon output by not one ounce. But drawing on the hundreds of millions of net worth in the Kodak Theatre, they pull out lunch money to buy ecological indulgences. The last time the selling of pardons was prevalent--in a predecessor religion to environmentalism called Christianity--Martin Luther lost his temper and launched the Reformation. A very few of the very rich have some awareness of the emptiness--if not the medieval corruption--of ransoming one's sins. Sergey Brin, zillionaire founder of Google, buys carbon credits to offset the ghastly amount of carbon dioxide emitted by Google's private Boeing 767 but confesses he's not sure if it really does anything. Which puts him one step ahead of most other eco-preeners who actually pretend that it does--the Goracle himself, for example. His Tennessee mansion consumes 20 times the electricity used by the average American home. Last August alone it consumed twice as much power as the average home consumes in a year. Gore buys absolution, however. He spends pocket change on carbon credits, which then allow him to pollute conscience-free. What is wrong with this scam? First, purchasing carbon credits is an incentive to burn even more fossil fuels, since now it is done under the illusion that it's really cost-free to the atmosphere. Second, it is a way for the rich to export the real costs and sacrifices of pollution control to the poorer segments of humanity in the Third World. (Apparently, Hollywood's plan is to make up for that by adopting every last one of their children.) For example, GreenSeat, a Dutch carbon-trading outfit, buys offsets from a foundation that plants trees in Uganda's Mount Elgon National Park to soak up the carbon emissions of its rich Western patrons. Small problem: expanding the park encroaches on land traditionally used by local farmers. As a result, reports the New York Times, 'villagers living along the boundary of the park have been beaten and shot at, and their livestock has been confiscated by armed park rangers.' All this so that swimming pools can be heated and Maseratis driven with a clear conscience in the fattest parts of the world. The other form of carbon trading is to get Third World companies to cut their emissions to offset Western pollution. The reason this doesn't work--and why the carbon racket is a farce--is that you need a cap for cap-and-trade to work. Sulfur dioxide emissions in the U.S. were capped, and the trading system succeeded in reducing acid rain by half. But even the Kyoto treaty doesn't put any cap on greenhouse gases in China and India, where billions of these carbon credits are traded. Sure, you can pretend you're offsetting Western greenhouse pollution by supposedly cleaning up a dirty coal plant in China. But China is adding a new coal plant every week. You could build a particularly dirty uncapped' power plant, then sell hundreds of millions in carbon credits to reduce it to a normal rate of pollution. The result? The polluter gets very rich. The planet continues to cook. And the Gores of the world can feel virtuous as they burn up the local power grid. If Gore really wants to save the planet, he can try this: Turn off the lights. Ditch the heated pool. Ride the subway. And spare us the carbon-trading piety."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1599714,00.html

9/10/2007 7:12:29 PM

All of this global warming talk has successfully made me feel guilty for living.

9/10/2007 11:16:30 PM

I hope you aren't white. If so, then you should feel double guilty

9/11/2007 6:49:25 AM

^^^ So do you agree that we should try and cut our pollution to stave off global warming, or are you just trying to bash "liberals?"

9/11/2007 6:59:16 AM

even if global warming were actually caused by pollution, that question still would be irrelevant to the article that was posted. That article questions whether "carbon credits" actually reduce pollution

9/11/2007 6:27:18 PM

^ Why would that matter to a denier?

9/12/2007 12:19:06 AM

cause theres only deniers and believers...you cant be unsure...just go ahead and put a false label on your opponent from the getgo

9/12/2007 12:24:33 AM

^^^^ Clearly, I am trying to "bash" many liberals here. Concerning my position on cutting "pollution," it depends on the type(s) and amount(s) of the alleged pollution--certain types might actually be beneficial to our planet:

Quote :

"A Nobel Prize-winning scientist caused a stir Wednesday at the U.N. climate conference in Nairobi when he said 'pollution' could be used to help fight global warming. Paul J. Crutzen, winner of the 1995 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on the hole in the ozone layer, said that injecting sulfur into the atmosphere could slow global warming by reflecting solar radiation back into space. The plan would use balloons carrying artillery guns to fire sulfates into the stratosphere. Unlike greenhouse gas emissions, which feature a lag-time in heating the globe, the climatic response from sulfate injection would take effect within six months and the reflective particles would remain in the stratosphere for up to two years."

http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1116-crutzen.html

[Edited on September 12, 2007 at 12:38 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2007 12:25:07 AM

^^ Hooksaw is a self-proclaimed denier.

9/12/2007 12:32:29 AM

looked to me like you were talking to aaronburro

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9/12/2007 12:39:08 AM

hope that didnt take you too much time

9/12/2007 12:40:53 AM

^^^^ Well, you wipe your ass with one piece of toilet paper, as has been suggested among other loony-left ideas. I'm good with the until-I-get-a-clean-wipe method.

[Edited on September 12, 2007 at 12:43 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2007 12:42:43 AM

^^ http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ascii+heart&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Surprisingly little, actually

9/12/2007 12:46:27 AM

Federal judge dismisses California global warming lawsuit against automakers

Quote :

"A federal judge in California dismissed a lawsuit Monday alleging that vehicle emissions of greenhouse gases have contributed to global warming constituting a 'public nuisance' that has cost the state of California millions of dollars. Judge Martin J. Jenkins of the US District Court for the Northern District of California wrote that the case 'presents a non-justiciable political question' and said that courts lack jurisdiction to decide injury lawsuits based on global warming, noting that the issue needs to be addressed on a nationwide scale by Congress. Jenkins added that he did not want to expose automakers, utility companies and other industries to damages for 'lawfully engaging in their respective spheres of commerce.' Last week, a federal court in Vermont ruled that states have the power to regulate automobile greenhouse gas emissions."

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/09/federal-judge-dismisses-california.php

LOL!

9/20/2007 11:37:46 AM

Quote :

"Last week, a federal court in Vermont ruled that states have the power to regulate automobile greenhouse gas emissions."

way more important than the other court case

9/20/2007 2:11:28 PM

It looks like it isn't the global warming that will get us, but the acidification of the oceans that might.

9/24/2007 10:46:48 PM

9/25/2007 12:20:59 AM

^ LOL--Debbie Downer. Waaanh-waaaaaahhh!

9/25/2007 1:19:35 AM

Quote :

"Oh no, he posted a link to a blog. CASE CLOSED. NEXT TOPIC."

fuck you

9/25/2007 2:04:19 AM

Impact of Arctic Heat Wave:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2007/2007092625668.html

Money quote #1:

Quote :

"From their camp on Melville Island last July, where they recorded air temperatures over 20ºC (in an area with July temperatures that average 5ºC), the team watched in amazement as water from melting permafrost a meter below ground lubricated the topsoil, causing it to slide down slopes, clearing everything in its path and thrusting up ridges at the valley bottom "that piled up like a rug," says Dr. Lamoureux, an expert in hydro-climatic variability and landscape processes. "The landscape was being torn to pieces, literally before our eyes. A major river was dammed by a slide along a 200-metre length of the channel. River flow will be changed for years, if not decades to come." "

Money Quote #2:

Quote :

""A considerable amount of vegetation has been disturbed and we observed a sharp rise in erosion and a change in sediment load in the river," Dr. Lamoureux notes. "With warmer conditions and greater thaw depth predicted, the cumulative effect of this happening year after year could create huge problems for both the aquatic and land populations. This kind of disturbance also has important consequences for existing and future infrastructure in the region, like roads, pipelines and air strips." "

10/1/2007 6:26:47 PM

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10/1/2007 10:10:08 PM

10/2/2007 12:14:51 AM

yeah she does. says i stretch em all out of shape so she cant wear em any more.

10/2/2007 12:23:36 AM

Was this administration against global warming before they were for it?

10/2/2007 7:26:33 AM

The administration that likes to legislate morality but fails see the morality in legislation to protect the air we breathe, the oceans we depend on and the land upon which we live.

You can pollute to earn a buck as long as your aren't marrying a queer.

10/2/2007 7:53:22 AM

That isn't a reach at all.

10/2/2007 8:03:39 AM

^ Sounds more like a reach around, which I'm sure you're intimately familiar with.

10/2/2007 2:12:03 PM

you're saying Chance gives you the reacharound?

i mean, i know he's been owning your ass here on a regular basis... but i didn't know he literally owned your ass

10/2/2007 10:50:09 PM

^ Only in your undoubtedly vivid homoerotic fantasies. And I've owned you so many times on T-Dub, I've forgotten most of them--but I can dig 'em up if I need to. Would you like that?

10/3/2007 12:06:09 AM