obama? issues? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

for a one-trick pony whose only qualification is a speech he made in 2004, I'd be hard pressed to say that Obama wins when he talks about "the issues." The only thing Obama has is "CHANGE!!!" and "I'M NOT BUSH!!!" We saw how well "I'M NOT BUSH" worked in 2004, dude.

The only reason Obama even has a shot at this is cause he is black and the media wants to have a part in electing the first black president. If the repubs had even thought about running a half-way decent candidate, this would be a landslide.

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM. Reason : a]

9/20/2008 4:04:41 PM

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"The only reason Obama even has a shot at this is cause he is black and the media wants to have a part in electing the first black president."

Indeed. History has shown that being black is a considerable advantage when running for president.

9/20/2008 4:19:14 PM

you are deluding yourself if you think that Obama would be the nominee if he were white. the fact is, the only reason Hillary isn't the dem's pick is that a black man who made a decent speech in 2004 ran as well. Most people who aren't in the tank for Obama can see this, too.

hell, McCain picked Palin for her gender. Why can't it be the case that the dems picked obama for his race?

9/20/2008 4:29:33 PM

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"Indeed. History has shown that being black is a considerable advantage when running for president."

winner

9/20/2008 4:38:37 PM

only if you ignore common sense, yes.

9/20/2008 4:44:54 PM

to say race hasn't had a (positive) role for obama is kind of myopic

to say that's the only reason he is the nominee is fucking retarded

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 4:46 PM. Reason : a]

9/20/2008 4:46:21 PM

ok. Then show me that he gets the nod if he's white.

9/20/2008 4:50:29 PM

you know, a lot of people fucking hate hillary. I'm not a fucking mystic, but I can see plenty of reasons why people would choose obama over clinton

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2008 5:01:30 PM

aaronburro is getting upset, poor baby. Dude don't blow your gasket because your candidate is sinking in the polls. That's not my fault. show some grit softy.

When shit gets rough cry about it some more and play the race card, yeah that's real intelligent.

And yeah, you heard me, the issues. Most of the voters don't want the republican bullshit in the white house anymore. So when it comes to issues, Obama's stances help out far more voters and people believe in his ability to lead the country. You can laugh about it all you want but you'll be laughing with an electoral loss behind you.

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 5:02 PM. Reason : -]

9/20/2008 5:01:56 PM

burro ive said this before, but u sound racist as shit if u think obama's only qualification is that he's black. thats just ignorance. hes one of the smartest and most inspirational candidates that has been nominated in a long time, and that has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

9/20/2008 5:04:00 PM

^^Most voters are complete imbeciles who pick one party or the other to lead them into an age of big-government and destruction of choice and liberty... be it economically or socially.

I would hardly say the majority care about issues, at least not in any intelligent context.

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 5:09 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2008 5:05:14 PM

ok tromboner than what would constitute the small surge this week in the polling for obama other than the issues on most importantly the economy? because he was smiling more on TV?

It's the economy, it was like an instant reminder 'OH YEAH, BY THE WAY AMERICA - SHIT IS STILL FUCKED UP'. That is clearly why people started (At least for the time being) swinging in polls to Obama's favor.

I guess maybe Palin's popularity started sinking plus all the bullshit lies from McCain that the media called him out on....actually that could be a contributor too.

9/20/2008 5:13:45 PM

People attribute current economic issues to faults in Bush policy.
McCain policy is associated with Bush policy.
RESULT: People swing towards Obama.


If you call that intelligently caring about the issues, I feel sorry for you.

9/20/2008 5:18:01 PM

A big part of it is Palin's popularity sinking and dragging McCain down with her. What a fucking disaster of a VP pick.

9/20/2008 5:19:44 PM

Kainen,

If it was the issues driving the poll numbers, why did Obama sink in the first place????
Neither his positions or McCain's changed in any way. Yet, after the convention and Palin nomination, McCain got a big boost.

Why??

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 5:21 PM. Reason : ``]

9/20/2008 5:20:15 PM

I think Obama might be doing better if he were perceived as white.

He'd be like a less sleazy John Edwards.

9/20/2008 5:21:46 PM

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"Dude don't blow your gasket because your candidate is sinking in the polls. That's not my fault. show some grit softy."

haha, you don't even know who my candidate is.

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"When shit gets rough cry about it some more and play the race card, yeah that's real intelligent. "

Ummm. Actually, I'm responding to THE MEDIA playing the race card, as exhibited by an article posted on the previous page. Way to show your inability to READ. genius

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"And yeah, you heard me, the issues. Most of the voters don't want the republican bullshit in the white house anymore."

How is that ISSUES? That is PARTISAN BULLSHIT, which the furthest you can even GET to ISSUES. The fact is, if Dubya had a "D" by his name, the libs would love him, because he has done effectively everything a democrat would do, except for not care about the fags. Obama's platform has ALWAYS been lacking on the issues. it's always been "i'm not dubya," which is, frankly, not discussing the issues. You know who else isn't dubya? Hitler. And Stalin. Yet few would vote for them, or so I would hope. So no, Obama isn't talking about the issues. And if he did, he would get nailed, because his blatant socialist agenda would be exposed for all to see.

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"burro ive said this before, but u sound racist as shit"

race card much? I tell you what, ask Geraldine Ferrarro what she thinks about Obama's qualifications. is she a racist?

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"hes one of the smartest and most inspirational candidates that has been nominated in a long time"

riiiiiiiiight. Even his fucking VP choice pointed out that Obama's qualities are stunning for a black man. OMFG!!! Biden must be a racist too, right?

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"ok tromboner than what would constitute the small surge this week in the polling for obama other than the issues on most importantly the economy? because he was smiling more on TV?"

Pretty simple, actually. Obama has been saying "McCain is Bush, Mccain is Bush, McCain is Bush" the whole fucking time. That is NOT talking about the issues. That is partisan douchebaggery. Obama has NEVER stated why any of McCain's policies are bad, except to say that McCain's policies are a continuation of Bush policies. And, to boot, Obama never explains HOW this is the case. He just says it, and the media accepts it as gospel from their messiah.

9/20/2008 5:28:51 PM

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"I tell you what, ask Geraldine Ferrarro what she thinks about Obama's qualifications. is she a racist?"

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"Even his fucking VP choice pointed out that Obama's qualities are stunning for a black man. OMFG!!! Biden must be a racist too, right?"

White elites being racist? What a shocking concept.

9/20/2008 6:23:48 PM

give me a break. They weren't being racist. They were simply telling the truth, and the truth is hardly racist. kind of funny, though, that you will throw them under the bus for convenience's sake

9/20/2008 6:26:14 PM

I'm not at all convinced being black helps Obama. Just today, during a weekly peace rally, somebody apparently shouted at one of my fellow demonstrators that they wouldn't vote for a nigger.

9/20/2008 6:45:31 PM

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"Yet, after the convention and Palin nomination, McCain got a big boost."

Well come on dude, she was novelty, it was all the rage, of course there is a bump there. She was exotic, a woman, a shocker pick, and hot to boot. It just was a surge, but once we learned more about her....well, she's a stinker and a bad VP pick once the popularity wears off.

9/20/2008 6:52:24 PM

Let's see...
With a black Obama, he gains much of the "black vote" from Clinton, but loses some of the "elderly vote" and the "racist vote"... is is also likely that he loses some portion of the "hispanic vote". Given that by and large the elderly and the racist swing Republican, it is unlikely that these two categories would come into play very heavily during the Democratic primaries (though they do have quite a bit of impact in places like West Virginia).

With a white Obama, he gives most of the "black vote" to Clinton, does not lose (but possibly does not gain) the "elderly vote" and the "racist vote"... the "hispanic vote" might be up for grabs but it would still likely swing heavily towards Clinton. Also, being a white male, he would stand out less and split votes with such candidates as Edwards, Biden, and Dodd.

In general, I'd say that being black helped him insofar as it narrowed the race down to Obama vs Clinton. A white Obama would still have a great chance at beating Clinton one-on-one, I think, but earlier on in the primary season, another white male would tend to get lost in the crowd.


As for if it is helping him NOW.... I'd say it's a neutral. Anyone who isn't voting Obama because of race would probably vote Republican in the first place, and anyone who is voting Obama because of race would probably swing Democratic anyway.

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 6:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2008 6:55:11 PM

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"I'm not at all convinced being black helps Obama. Just today, during a weekly peace rally, somebody apparently shouted at one of my fellow demonstrators that they wouldn't vote for a nigger."

I'm with ^ his explanation. Being black got him the nomination, there can be no doubt about that. The black novelty might help him a little bit against McCain, but it probably cancels itself out with those who won't "vote for a darkie." The real question would be to see how many more blacks vote than would normally do so.

9/20/2008 7:01:59 PM

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"another white male would tend to get lost in the crowd."

that proves right there that all this "90% of blacks voting for obama" is pure racism

some white ppl may make fools of themselves saying they wouldn't vote for a "nigger' but when it boils down to it, i'd say obamas main voter base is going to still be white males. so he better watch his fuckin mouth along with all of his propaganda peddlers like you on here before he loses all those votes too.

there is a 100% guarantee that for every 1 white person saying he won't vote for a black person based on race, there's 1000 black people willing to step up and say they will ONLY vote for a black person or vote for someone simply becaue they are black. that's the whole point everybody is missing.

[Edited on September 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM. Reason : ,]

9/20/2008 7:12:00 PM

^ 90% of blacks vote Democrat when the candidate is white.

9/20/2008 7:14:55 PM

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" Why young Black men don't vote By Michael Datcher, Pacific News Service, 14 November 1996 EDITOR'S NOTE: Despite an intense nationwide debate over the likely impact of abolishing affirmative action on African Americans, black voter participation in California continued its decline on Nov. 5, and those least likely to vote were young black males. Interviews with over a dozen young men in Los Angeles' inner city neighborhoods reflect a dangerous nihilism, according to PNS contributing editor Michael Datcher. Datcher is a reporter for the Los Angeles Sentinel. LOS ANGELES -- The passage of California's anti-affirmative action Proposition 209 has left many of the state's liberal black activists in this city shaking their heads. Despite a nationwide debate over the impact 209 would have on the black community and an intense grassroots effort to get out the vote, most young African Americans -- especially young black men -- simply did not vote. Interviews with over a dozen young black men in Los Angeles' inner city neighborhoods suggest that many simply don't believe their votes will make a difference. Their attitudes may help explain a continued drop in black voter participation nationwide over the last decade. "Why should I vote?" asked Robert Cora, 23, wearing blue jeans and a blue shirt, with five braids sprouting from his head. "Everyone knows that this 209 thing is racial. Those white people know what they're doing. If they really want to keep black people down, my one vote can't do a damn thing to stop them. "Besides, we've been voting for too long anyway. We already tried marching and all that with King. We need to go out and make our own affirmative action. We need to go out and take what we need by force just like white people did." This "take what we need" approach is increasingly popular among young black men who say they understand that money is power and are willing to do what needs to be done, legally or illegally, to obtain it. Few are interested in trying to take power through traditional political channels, because they are convinced that is not the way power has come in America. Eric Thompson is 26 and works part time inside the infamous Slauson Swap Meet in South Central Los Angeles. "I didn't vote. What's affirmative action going to do for me? Whether it passed or not I'm still going to be poor, still going to get hassled by the police. Affirmative action is not going to affect Burger King or MacDonalds. They're going to keep hiring black people because no one wants to take jobs like that." As for blacks in corporate ranks, Thompson said, "There are only a few -- the ones inside don't care about poor black people. To make it in corporate America you have to forget a part of who you are." Another South Central resident, Tony Moore, 23, said, "It doesn't make any sense for me to vote. By voting, that's saying that we want to be a part of this system. Why should we want to be part of something that doesn't want us? These white people in California are the same as white people everywhere else. "They knew this affirmative action thing would create chaos. Brothers can't get a job, can't go to school. It's just going to lead to more black people becoming criminals. More chaos. And when the chaos comes, that's when they're going to come and bring their own kind of order." The common theme that emerges from these and other interviews is this: a generation of black Americans is coming of age convinced that they have no role to play in the system that governs them. Whereas earlier generations were bent on forcing their way into the system, these young people -- and their numbers are growing -- only want to get as far away from it as possible."

9/20/2008 8:08:33 PM

^ lol ... 1996?

The trend towards less participation by blacks has been reversed in this election. Black voter turnout and enthusiasm was huge in the primaries and continues to be now. Sure, black people are excited because Obama is black. But that's no different than the moms who are foaming at the mouth over Sarah Palin. People love a candidate who is "like me." And "like me" can mean the same background or same gender or same race.

9/20/2008 9:27:18 PM

that's bc they are racist and are voting simply b/c the person is black

good comeback!!1111

9/21/2008 12:11:52 AM

Even if that's true, this country's history makes it impossible to equate voting for somebody because they're black with voting for somebody because they're white. In former, you're challenging white dominance. In the latter, you're affirming it.

9/21/2008 12:15:27 AM

^ i'd say that both are equally abhorrent.

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"^ 90% of blacks vote Democrat when the candidate is white. "

if anything, that should be a bad thing, as it shows just how sheepish that portion of society is, but it also shows just how well the Dems have played the race card.

9/21/2008 12:18:02 AM

^ Or how unappealing most blacks find Republicans.

9/21/2008 12:19:12 AM

hardly. it's pure race-based politics. Democrats go out and say "OMFG, REPUBLICANS WANT TO BRING YOU BACK TO THE 1960S, OMFG!!!" and the blacks are rightfully scared by that. And, when you have a repub who says "affirmative action is wrong," it's hard to argue that that isn't bad for blacks. So yes, it's totally pandering on the part of the Democrats.

Then you have the well-publicized fact that there is a huge pressure among blacks to vote Democrat, and this pressure is put on them by their peers.

9/21/2008 12:22:15 AM

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"Democrats go out and say "OMFG, REPUBLICANS WANT TO BRING YOU BACK TO THE 1960S, OMFG!!!" and the blacks are rightfully scared by that."

This is PURE bullshit.

When do democrats say this? When do they even imply this?

Blacks (and most other minorities) on their own, probably due to Republican supporters, decide that they don't want to vote republican.

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"Then you have the well-publicized fact that there is a huge pressure among blacks to vote Democrat, and this pressure is put on them by their peers."

You don't think, at least in certain areas, whites don't have the same type of "peer pressure" in their voting? Peer pressure is one of the strongest and more ever-present forces.

9/21/2008 12:32:04 AM

^ yes, but that pressure is not so uniformly distributed over race as it is for blacks. In the south, a white might be pressured to vote repub, but in the north, he might be pressured to vote dem. But, all over, blacks are pressured to vote dem. it's sad, really, that the democrats have successfully snowed an entire race like that. in the same way that they have snowed women, too.

9/21/2008 12:33:54 AM

^First, there's an obvious reason why blacks in the US are more unified than whites.

Secondly, conservatives don't really have a good reason for most people to vote for them, let alone the blacks. A disproportionately sized chunk of blacks still live in poverty, and if you look at the numbers, Republican policies do little to affect this, and often make things worse, compared to democratic policies.

Conservatives have a legacy of racism (it's probably why blacks started NOT voting for them) that they do nothing to try and reverse. And in the south at least, it's easy to find local republicans who have said or embraced things that are racist, and this just reflects on the national ones.

9/21/2008 12:40:39 AM

^Republicans aren't conservative nowadays. I must ask that you be more careful in your word choice when describing members of the party of the socially liberal and economically inept.

9/21/2008 12:44:17 AM

to be fair, I'd argue that democratic policies are far worse for blacks than republican ones, mainly because they entrench the notion that blacks can't make it on their own. Moreover, democratic policies are aimed at destroying the middle class through taxation in order to increase the democratic base.

And, again, the dems have done a fantastic job of painting past republican choices as "racist," when, truly, they were equal parts "racist" and legitimately state's rights issues. Like I said, it's hard to argue that someone who is against affirmative action is actually trying to help blacks.

9/21/2008 12:45:26 AM

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"mainly because they entrench the notion that blacks can't make it on their own."

This notion was entrenched in black culture by hundreds of years of slavery and oppression. In my personal estimation, it's only now that I think the black community is approaching the point where they feel "equal" as Americans. If you even look at TV ads these days, they're starting to show black people in non-stereotypical roles. There even, on TV at least, is very little stigma about inter-racial dating. Obama, despite only being half black, would go a long way to really showing blacks they are equal, and would actually accelerate the reduction in the need for affirmative action. It's kind of ironic though that this is only happening now, when the black population is no longer the biggest minority group, and are decreasing in size.

And YOU may feel that AA tells blacks they can't do it alone, but blacks know the policies were started at a time when they were needed, and they know proponents of those policies don't mean them to say blacks are inferior.

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"And, again, the dems have done a fantastic job of painting past republican choices as "racist," when, truly, they were equal parts "racist" and legitimately state's rights issues. Like I said, it's hard to argue that someone who is against affirmative action is actually trying to help blacks"

Republicans have done a fantastic job on their own painting THEMSELVES as racist.

9/21/2008 12:54:51 AM

this is one idiotic fucking post. you don't know shit about shit burro. both sentences here are complete fallacies and jokes of any shred of legitimate argument.

Here's a translation for you.

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"to be fair, I'd argue that democratic policies are far worse for blacks than republican ones, mainly because they entrench the notion that blacks can't make it on their own. "

- Democrats have policies that enable and help out blacks, which makes then a bunch of lazy negroes.

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"Moreover, democratic policies are aimed at destroying the middle class through taxation in order to increase the democratic base."

- Democrats are socialist assholes whose tax plans hit everyone, including somehow the middle tax despite the fact you'd save more with Obama's tax proposals unless you earn 250,000$.

What a joke. Do us all a favor and stop posting.

9/21/2008 2:32:55 AM

yes, because clearly Obama's plan represents the sum of all Democratic policies ever No democratic planner will tell you that their plan is to eliminate the middle class, but that is the effect of their policies. They know that there will always be poor, and the poor will always outnumber the rich, so they play the class warfare. What's the best way, then, to make your party more powerful? Increase your base. When your base is the poor, how do you do that? Eliminate the middle class. It's disgustingly simple.

9/21/2008 6:03:49 PM

I guess you have never heard of Occam's Razor

9/21/2008 6:17:28 PM

Oh, I've heard of it, and it doesn't apply here. That is truly their goal, man.

9/21/2008 6:20:54 PM

That's right. At our local Democratic meetings we discuss how we can destroy the middle class. Those meetings are quite fun. you should stop by sometime.

9/21/2008 6:28:07 PM

of course the locals don't know about it. geez

9/21/2008 7:48:52 PM

so is bush kinda doing what a democrat woulda done in office? like become socialist etc?

9/21/2008 8:53:54 PM

pretty much, yeah. the only thing that keeps dubya from being a democrat is that he hates fags

9/21/2008 10:43:52 PM

plus hes anti abortion

9/21/2008 11:19:19 PM

so let me get this straight:

democrats are
1) anti-pro survival of their offspring
2) anti survival of the fittest (letting poor get more rights than rich)
3) pro same sex (another anti survival skill)
4) higher powers (govt) controlling the remainder of the species


yeh, way to separate yourselves from the rest of nature on earth. gg dems

9/21/2008 11:27:28 PM

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"anti-pro survival of their offspring"

lol'd

9/21/2008 11:29:23 PM

^ does that mean that supporting needless wars is pro-anti-survival of your offspring?

9/21/2008 11:40:19 PM