TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Seems like a tough task to get all the parents on board. 4/13/2016 2:17:16 AM |
krallum2016 All American 1356 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "How much reflection should a person like me do before I might achieve your level of awareness?" |
to be fair... there is no limit to awareness. If you believe that you are free, then escape is impossible.4/13/2016 10:04:25 AM |
afripino All American 11425 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "How much reflection should a person like me do before I might achieve your level of awareness?" |
More than none.4/13/2016 11:42:15 AM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Moron is talking about systemic racism which contributes to white privilege, but is something different altogether. He has listed good strategies for mitigating systemic racism. Although very closely related, white privilege is not something being done to minorities but the idea that white people can live their lives without their race limiting them. Acknowledging systemic racism does require you to check your white privilege so his post is still relevant.
Quote : | "Does mentioning the struggles of white folks disqualify me from this conversation?" |
It qualifies you because you need to talk about this more. The notion that struggling white people can't talk about white privilege is indeed part of white privilege. Its like saying a rich woman can't talk about income inequality because she is a woman and constantly discriminated against. Separate issues.
Being poor does not remove white privilege. Class is an entirely different identifier and not having privilege from one identifier does not remove privilege from other identifiers.4/13/2016 1:35:01 PM |
krallum2016 All American 1356 Posts user info edit post |
To pretend that there is even a difference between white people and black people is to pretend that the oceans of the planet contain different water. The qualities we're discussing are just ways of talking. 4/13/2016 1:36:26 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
^Race is a social construct and privilege deals solely in the way society perceives you and thus treats you thus making it real in that sense.
[Edited on April 13, 2016 at 1:39 PM. Reason : don't pretend there isn't a difference in the way blacks and whites are treated. ] 4/13/2016 1:38:28 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
The Atlantic Ocean is saltier than the Pacific 4/13/2016 1:44:20 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
And black people are saltier than white people. 4/13/2016 1:57:20 PM |
krallum2016 All American 1356 Posts user info edit post |
Interesting descriptions of reality that you guys have here.
[Edited on April 13, 2016 at 2:15 PM. Reason : too bad they are only descriptions] 4/13/2016 2:14:58 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
You should be happy that someone is actually paying attention to your comments 4/13/2016 2:23:08 PM |
wahoowa All American 3288 Posts user info edit post |
4/13/2016 2:27:54 PM |
krallum2016 All American 1356 Posts user info edit post |
^^I can do with or without it. 4/13/2016 2:37:46 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2016/04/13/how-be-ally-someone-experiencing-microaggressions-essay?utm_term=0_1fcbc04421-825eb3a0e1-197553313&utm_content=bufferce986&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer 4/13/2016 5:10:18 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^I only made it to the part where she devoted three paragraphs to some shopping joke made at her gender's expense. Despite sticking up for herself in the moment and later processing the remark with her husband for an hour, she apparently still had to wake up in the middle of the night to "punch some pillows" and rid herself of the "residual rage."
I've gotta ask...was the article intended to be satire?
I mean, I'm #1 fan of being outraged and offended, and I've never had a problem running my mouth, especially when I get to be upset on somebody else's behalf. But something happened, and it feels like I just turned around to find a fourth of the country has decided to reveal they have zero social or emotional coping skills.
How did your skin get so thin? And how do regular people even have the time to dwell on this stuff? The woman runs the second-fastest growing company in Detroit, and she apparently has an hour to discuss a joke with her husband and even more time to write about it. That's crazy. Y'all have lost your minds. 4/13/2016 6:00:50 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^ because of the double standard. In the grand scheme, the actual action is pretty small, but what the gesture represents,a systemic devaluing of the efforts of marginalized group, is bothersome. This feeling isn't really specific to minorities too.
It's a similar feeling you feel when someone flicks you off in traffic, or if a server is rude to you for no reason or whatever... Minor things that just get to people. But Now put yourself in the shoes if someone in a position of power who's worked hard to get where they are, in an environment where merit ostensibly rules, only to face petty disrespect. You'd be pretty upset I bet. Especially considering it doesn't have to be this way. 4/13/2016 7:51:42 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
Why are you pussies trying to explain your pathetic bullshit to me? 4/13/2016 8:09:37 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Ha you asked...
Anyway, this is how progress is made, 30 years from now, when current generation teenagers are in board meetings, it will be considered gross and weird to make comments like that. Seems like pussyficAtion to us old people, but it's just how the world works.
No reason not to support progress, however trivial it seems, is there?
[Edited on April 13, 2016 at 10:06 PM. Reason : ] 4/13/2016 10:04:07 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Or to put another way, why should anyone accept structural marginalization when there's a way to change it? Even if you can't change it for yourself, you can move the needle for subsequent generations. 4/13/2016 10:17:43 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
So what else is going to be weird and gross at imaginary board meetings in the future?
I just have some time travel planned, and I think I might need to change the thing where I was gonna call everyone faggots and ask the Asians for help with my math homework. 4/13/2016 11:16:41 PM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I've gotta ask...was the article intended to be satire?" |
Tough to tell with liberals.
I'm sure 30 years from now they will still create narratives of "isms" and "phobias" and claim people are vicitms based on "microaggressions words. We will always have SJWs to tweet hashtags for them and accuse others of bigotry though.4/13/2016 11:27:37 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^^ hmm... depends how far in the future youre planning to travel. Probably can't travel further than 50-60 years... In that time, whites will no longer be a majority in America, so it's likely that it would be passe to say mean things about white people then, especially if youre hispanic.
[Edited on April 13, 2016 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ] 4/13/2016 11:38:08 PM |
jtdenny All American 10904 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " ^^ hmm... depends how far in the future youre planning to travel. Probably can't travel further than 50-60 years... In that time, whites will no longer be a majority in America, so it's likely that it would be passe to say mean things about white people then, especially if youre hispanic." |
So what will be the made up terms in that society that ignore people's self inflicted problems? Will Asian privilege get a turn at some point?4/14/2016 1:00:28 PM |
afripino All American 11425 Posts user info edit post |
Asian privilege will become a "thing" once they enslave the whites. 4/14/2016 1:59:49 PM |
krallum2016 All American 1356 Posts user info edit post |
Haha yeah Asian Americans had such a great time in the 20th century 4/14/2016 2:06:53 PM |
jtdenny All American 10904 Posts user info edit post |
You know they didn't. 4/14/2016 2:14:14 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
You can go to japan to experience asian privilege, i'm told.
Chinese apparently love white men, so you'd be good there however. 4/14/2016 3:27:42 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
I've been told recently that Japanese people are blatantly racist by someone who lived in Japan for a few years
like, mindblowingly racist 4/14/2016 3:41:33 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
i guess you never learned about ww2 4/14/2016 6:11:50 PM |
MrGreen All American 2281 Posts user info edit post |
some templated bullshit about narratives and echo chambers that could be written by a bot 4/15/2016 1:30:33 PM |
BubbleBobble Super Duper Veteran 114363 Posts user info edit post |
you whiteeee
white guilt milquetoast piece of garbage!!! 4/15/2016 7:20:43 PM |
jtdenny All American 10904 Posts user info edit post |
i really want to know what the next fad terms are going to be, because I never saw micro aggression or safe spaces coming. might be worth trademarking 4/16/2016 9:42:53 AM |
MrGreen All American 2281 Posts user info edit post |
"safe spaces" makes me cringe and I'm a librul 4/16/2016 10:21:00 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Microaggressions have always been a thing, it just used to be called racism, but it turned out racists didn't like being called racist, so the term microaggression was created. The implication is that you can correct your behavior if it's "just" microaggression, but being racist is a fundamental character flaw. Kinda funny how sensitive racists are...
I'm honestly not sure what the connotations of a safe space are. 4/16/2016 11:05:41 AM |
jtdenny All American 10904 Posts user info edit post |
i thought microaggression was just if someone willingly or unwillingly slightly offended someone for any reason 4/16/2016 1:01:33 PM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
Trigger warning. "microaggressions" were recently invented by SJWs who discovered in modern society they were out of things to be "outraged" by. I guess the moron-types eventually discovered calling people "racist" without evidence doesn't really accomplish anything, so they tried to change the rules so people can claim to be "aggressed" based not on reality, but by how they "feel" regarding everyday occurrences. You can't really tell someone they aren't "microaggressed" because the term is subjective bullshit, and that is the point. Just look at the Mizzou race hoax example, Johnathan Butler was "Aggressed" and the Mizzou students demanded a safe space... and in the early days of reporting all the liberal idiots on this board ate that shit up.
[Edited on April 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .] 4/16/2016 1:48:34 PM |
BubbleBobble Super Duper Veteran 114363 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Trigger warning. "microaggressions" were recently invented by SJWs who discovered in modern society they were out of things to be "outraged" by. I guess the moron-types eventually discovered calling people "racist" without evidence doesn't really accomplish anything, so they tried to change the rules so people can claim to be "aggressed" based not on reality, but by how they "feel" regarding everyday occurrences. You can't really tell someone they aren't "microaggressed" because the term is subjective bullshit, and that is the point. Just look at the Mizzou race hoax example, Johnathan Butler was "Aggressed" and the Mizzou students demanded a safe space... and in the early days of reporting all the liberal idiots on this board ate that shit up." |
I didn't read this, but you take the internet way too seriously brah 4/16/2016 2:04:30 PM |
BubbleBobble Super Duper Veteran 114363 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Trigger warning. "microaggressions" were recently invented by SJWs who discovered in modern society they were out of things to be "outraged" by. I guess the moron-types eventually discovered calling people "racist" without evidence doesn't really accomplish anything, so they tried to change the rules so people can claim to be "aggressed" based not on reality, but by how they "feel" regarding everyday occurrences. You can't really tell someone they aren't "microaggressed" because the term is subjective bullshit, and that is the point. Just look at the Mizzou race hoax example, Johnathan Butler was "Aggressed" and the Mizzou students demanded a safe space... and in the early days of reporting all the liberal idiots on this board ate that shit up." |
4/16/2016 2:07:26 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So what will be the made up terms in that society that ignore people's self inflicted problems? Will Asian privilege get a turn at some point? " |
The things that will come up in the future are the things research has already found that haven't caught on yet. I think society addresses these things in order of perceived importance. The problem is that most of this didn't exist before psychology research really took off over the last 20 years. This causes society to label it as a generational phenomenon instead of just new research findings. I'm sure everyone has heard the "we got beat as children and turned out ok but kids these days are soft" argument from some old timer.
Fixed mindset- In the near future, people will be shunned for using fixed mindset. Teachers/managers will be disciplined for using fixed mindset commands. Growth mindset training will become mandatory in the workplace.
Systemic Environmental Degradation- Like systemic racism, this will be a tough pill for our society to swallow. As environmental disasters ramp up, people will try to avoid feeling guilty for causing them because they know that they are not trying to cause bad things to happen by simply living their life. As we try to address environmental issues by reforming entire systems, people will feel like their rights to do most of the things they love are being eroded. People will push back on the idea that they owe actual money and homes to people in countries like Bangladesh. Rush will say its all a plot for global communism.
Environmental Privilege- Living in an area with less effects from environmental degradation will soon become loudly advertised as the most powerful privilege one can possess. If you grow up with clean water, you can succeed and that gives you a huge advantage over someone who has to jump through hoops just to get water. The same is true when comparing climate immigrants to natives
Quote : | "i really want to know what the next fad terms are going to be, because I never saw micro aggression or safe spaces coming. might be worth trademarking " |
Microagressions have proven to have negative affects on performance in the workplace or academic performance for the people who are the victim of microagressions. Declaring your workplace a "safe space" means that it is a place where workers can operate to their ability without any stereotype threat, microagressions, or discrimination in general.
Quote : | "people can claim to be "aggressed" based not on reality, but by how they "feel" regarding everyday occurrences." |
You don't think feelings are real? Do you think the entire field of psychology is bogus?
[Edited on April 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM. Reason : m]4/16/2016 5:13:02 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
I work much more efficiently when I can relieve some stress with non-racial microagressions towards others. 4/16/2016 5:36:16 PM |
BubbleBobble Super Duper Veteran 114363 Posts user info edit post |
JCE triggered ITT :3 4/16/2016 5:43:56 PM |
jtdenny All American 10904 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I can actually see all of those things catching on
But can't the whole idea of migroaggresion cause people to be mentally unstable? Maybe it sounds catchy but using the word aggression is a bit much. 4/16/2016 6:26:07 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah people like Trump will need counseling to handle a switch to growth mindset when they realize they can no longer be praised for "being smart" or simply "having a good brain". 4/17/2016 5:34:46 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^^ youre basically saying that laws/rules based on things that you personally are unable to understand/perceive are invalid... 4/17/2016 5:54:45 PM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You don't think feelings are real? Do you think the entire field of psychology is bogus?" |
Where did I say feelings aren't real?
My point is a term like "aggression" implies actual hostility/violence. However since there isn't any actual hostility/violence, a qualifier of "micro" supposedly allows liberals to claim words are miniature versions of hostility and violence... It's the left's desperate attempt to make everyone a "victim" in a reality when they aren't.
I don't think we should be teaching our college students to be perpetually entitled, offended, precious little snowflakes like Johnathan Butler... but hey, most of you gullible SJWs were advocating for him in the race hoax at Mizzou, maybe we should be calling the police when someone says something we deem offensive like they did there.
Maybe we can all just put on our big boy pants and either ignore it, or confront someone if they are being rude, rather than designate "safe spaces" to hide from scary "words". OOPS! I said big "boy" pants, I should have said "boy or girl"... actually *TRIGGERED* you may be "gender fluid" and to label you as a gender is just me being a cis-gendered hetroprivleged male bigot! #MicroAggressed
4/17/2016 6:18:41 PM |
jtdenny All American 10904 Posts user info edit post |
if you have to add a qualifier in front of a word, it's probably bs 4/17/2016 6:56:05 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
microaggressions were invented by people with micropeens 4/17/2016 6:59:47 PM |
BubbleBobble Super Duper Veteran 114363 Posts user info edit post |
does anyone ITT even lift? ;3333 4/17/2016 8:37:17 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "My point is a term like "aggression" implies actual hostility/violence. However since there isn't any actual hostility/violence, a qualifier of "micro" supposedly allows liberals to claim words are miniature versions of hostility and violence... It's the left's desperate attempt to make everyone a "victim" in a reality when they aren't." |
Micro aggressions are implied, often sarcastically, or backhandedly with a built in disclaimer. "you know we're just joking, right"
Quote : | "You don't act like a black person, ya know?" |
translated= we expect you to be a thug until you show us otherwise
Quote : | "Where are you really from" |
translated= you are not from here, you are not one of us, you are an outsider
Quote : | "You are basically white" |
translated= you have betrayed your racial identity and are a poser mimicking the superior race
Quote : | "How come you aren't good at math?" |
you were born with innate math skills but are such a failure for not using them
[Edited on April 18, 2016 at 12:11 AM. Reason : k]4/18/2016 12:10:50 AM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
Implied, sarcastic comments? They are words. If someone insults you, call them out for slander. If someone is rude, call them out as a jackass. This bullshit is just a result of the "victim olympics" liberalism has started. If your life is so terrible in Western civilization and you really are such an "oppressed victim", then a few words from some jerk shouldn't make you shit your pants. Funny that the places we see "victims" complain about micro aggressions words are where the "victims" are typically some of the most privileged people on earth.
4/18/2016 1:31:38 AM |
BubbleBobble Super Duper Veteran 114363 Posts user info edit post |
4/18/2016 1:47:04 AM |