i hope this means i can get some cheap hd dvds on ebay

1/6/2008 12:33:00 PM

its going to boil down to dual format players. end of story and everyone is happy.

1/6/2008 1:58:02 PM

you guys should all read this:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/jeffkleist/editorial010108.html


With Warner's recent move, the writing is on the wall...

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 2:55 PM. Reason : d]

1/6/2008 2:54:51 PM

the writing is on the wall

1/6/2008 3:02:08 PM

The Toshiba press conference at CES is almost sad.

http://gizmodo.com/341216/toshiba-press-conference-liveblog

Quote :

"President guy onstage: "We are surprised by Warner Bros. announcement" that they're dropping HD DVD and are "particularly disappointed" since HD DVD has gained "momentum" in the market. "We maintain the belief that HD DVD" is best for consumers. Sounds just like the press release! VP of Digital A/V Marketing: "As you can imagine this is a tough day for me... I expected to come here today to share the successes of HD DVD..." "It's difficult for me to read all the pundits declare that HD DVD is dead, but we've been declared dead before." "HD DVD is the only format approved by the DVD Forum" so every one meets a standard. Translation: Blu-ray profile spec is a clusterf*ck. She looks like she's trying to not break down onstage or something. Stay strong!"

Also, all of you who were saying stand-alone sales would decide this war may have been right after all!



So not only did Blu-ray stand-alones outsell HD DVD stand-alones 2:1 in December, they caught up and outsold HD DVD for the whole of 2007. It's all over but the crying folks.

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM. Reason : :]

1/6/2008 3:22:25 PM

^^^ the whole webpage seems pretty obvious and doesn't offer any unique prospective whatsoever. we all have talked about this in this thread. if thats all he had to say, then i or anyone in this thread could run a best buy while standing on our heads.

^ my point is who the fuck cares? you are going to watch hd content no matter what the source is.

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 3:31 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/6/2008 3:30:23 PM

During all this

I was surprised Microsoft didn't just buy three studios and force them to go HD DVD.

1/6/2008 5:03:29 PM

^yea, me too, i'd think microsoft would have more sway than sony

i'm not disagreeing with any of you. i said from the start that i wouldn't buy until there was a clear winner. the WB decision was the nail in the coffin and i clearly stated that it would come down to one of two options, one being if studios were to drop HD DVD support, i also thought it would come down to statistics of standalone players (which until last month was favoring HD DVD) but obviously December was a big month for blu-ray (which could have been a factor WB was looking at as well)

was i wrong about video gamers deciding a movie format war, sure i was, does that mean i'm an HD DVD fanboy who's crying about it? absolutely not.

Quote :

"Hahahahahahah, looks like retailers have already jumped ship."

the HDA3 is $299, that's it's normal price and it's an older generation (recently replaced by the HDA30), how is that considered jumping ship? (the DR400 isn't HD DVD)

now THIS is jumping ship:
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=191903

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM. Reason : .]

1/6/2008 5:06:46 PM

^I was alluding to text in the ad, where they call it a "Toshiba Up-Converting DVD Player", rather than an HD DVD player. The funniest part is that it says it up-converts to 1080i, whereas the cheaper player above it does 1080p and records.



[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM. Reason : posted pic for this page]

1/6/2008 5:17:24 PM

He's saying it because the unknown retailer's ad that he posted doesn't list it as an HD DVD player, just an upconverting DVD player.

It's probably more of an oversight than hopping off the bandwagon unless it's an online only ad or a company decided to reprint all their ads in light of the announcement.

1/6/2008 5:18:01 PM

The forums nuclear meltdowns are hilarious.

All sorts of whacko theories going about.

Of course, MS *could* completely own Sony by shipping Xbox360's with HD DVD records and proclaiming content downloaded from Xbox Live and/or your PC can be recorded onto HD DVD's in their full glory.

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM. Reason : >.<]

1/6/2008 5:27:30 PM

oh this thread

i have quite the reading to catch up on


or i could wait until HD just calls it quits in a month.

1/6/2008 5:41:07 PM

1/6/2008 5:45:31 PM

^the sad thing is that blu-ray was outselling HD DVD 2:1 before the WB/NewLine decision

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 5:54 PM. Reason : /]

1/6/2008 5:54:07 PM

WTF are HDDVD players going up? I got mine from Bestbuy for $225 and was waiting for it to dip below $200 for a price protection. now its $299 there. I guess i'll have em match CC's $199 (BB was $199 last week) and call it a day. dayum

1/6/2008 5:57:19 PM

By next Christmas, I vow to have a 52 inch 120Hz 1080p LCD TV, a cheap blu-ray player and a nice little collection of blu-ray discs. I, for one, am looking forward to it.

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM. Reason : ]

1/6/2008 6:27:53 PM

DVD Player Checklist

piss poor remote - check
large - check
ugly / doesnt match any other video output device - check
loud fans - check
expensive - check

Survey says :
HDA1, PS3

GG

1/6/2008 7:51:48 PM

Quote :

"Survey says : HDA1 Xbox 360, PS3"

1/6/2008 8:46:21 PM

The 360 has a great remote. It's like the best part of the whole HD DVD drive package.

1/6/2008 10:45:12 PM

Ps3 looks a million times better then the xbox360.

What other piece of electronics ever is painted the same color as the cloth found in a work Cube?

1/7/2008 12:14:03 AM

better then

1/7/2008 12:23:36 AM

maybe it's just me, but no home theater setup with 1080p capability should be using a factory remote, so it's a moot point

1/7/2008 12:34:38 AM

xbox360>ps3 until ps3<$300 with backwards compatibility

1/7/2008 12:59:07 AM

Quote :

"http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES_2008/Samsung/CES:_Samsung_Unveils_BD-P1500_Blu-ray_Player/1336 Like Samsung's third-gen player (the BD-P1400, released last fall), the BD-P1500 will carry an Ethernet port for firmware upgrades, but company says it is not certified BD Live, meaning it will not support web-enabled features included on certain discs. The BD-P1500 will also feature bitstream audio output of 7.1 PCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and Master Audio via HDMI. Due this June, the BD-P1500 is expected to retail for $399."

Hot.

1/7/2008 2:10:19 AM

Quote :

"What other piece of electronics ever is painted the same color as the cloth found in a work Cube?"

xbox360 elite is hot looking. Sadly they didn't make an 'elite' hd dvd add-on to match it

1/7/2008 3:13:21 AM

^^ only hot if your receiver can do TrueHD and DTS-HD

1/7/2008 6:48:36 AM

Only hot if you still want to spend $400 to just watch movies.

And still not have whatever functionality Blu-ray is incorporating into their specification this week.

[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 7:45 AM. Reason : .]

1/7/2008 7:43:47 AM

right, i'd much rather the player do the decoding so

A) the receiver only needs to be HDMI 1.1 and thus just take the multichan PCMs

B) so the player can mix its own audio for PiPs and commentary overlays, etc.

kinda like every HDDVD player thats out there...

There's no way in hell i'm gonna buy an inferior Profile 1 or 1.1 player for more now and THEN go buy a whole new 2.0 player next year. this shit is rediculous

1/7/2008 9:11:20 AM

Onboard decoding of HD audio formats isn't part of any Profile requirements though, and isn't required for anything movie related. Profile 1.1 requires support for all the IME stuff like PiP. Pretty much any player released from here on in will have that. Profile 2.0 is the web interactivity shit, and is an optional spec. It's not like receivers that do onboard decoding are any more expensive or rarer than ones that only accept full multi-channel PCM. The Onkyo 605 can be had for well under $400, and has been out since early last year.

There were a number of Blu-ray players announced during CES, ranging from $300 to $650, that cover everything from Profile 1.1 with no onboard decoding to BD-Live and decoding for all HD formats.





Oh and just to hammer the point home one more time, HD DVD really is dead.



[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 9:49 AM. Reason : :]

1/7/2008 9:36:02 AM

^but the point still remains. you're paying more for less.

1/7/2008 10:33:10 AM

Quote :

"let's just hope they don't screw us with their proprietary crap"

this IS sony we're talking about...if they can, they will ass rape consumers until they bleed or sony gets bored

my two cents: i own neither an HD-DVD player nor a blu-ray player (or PS3), so this decision is nothing but beneficial for me...after all, it means that now that blu-ray is going to eventually beat out HD-DVD (and it will, there's no doubt about it, as much as i might hope), i don't have to make a decision and my money will be (relatively) well-spent since i won't have to wonder if the format will be around in 6 months

that said, sony really is a horrible company with a history of taking advantage of consumers with ridiculous prices on unnecessarily proprietary crap...i full admit i wanted blu-ray to lose solely because sony doesn't deserve my business, but i do suppose i'll give in eventually (when prices are reasonable, of course) and use their equipment, if grudgingly

oh, and, haha:

Quote :

"sony's successful media formats are almost equal to their failed media formats now!"

1/7/2008 10:57:12 AM

why the hell does ms care about hd-dvd? if they did they would offer a xbox360 with it built in by now.

there's a interesting article about how ms doesnt want either to 'win' they would prefer a massive digital dl market....

only problem with that is the sheer size of some of the HD movies and some full games will still take days to DL....



blu-ray ftmfw

1/7/2008 11:09:01 AM

We covered that earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back a couple of pages and read up.

Also, it seems like there's still no quit in Team HD DVD:

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS35203+07-Jan-2008+PRN20080107

1/7/2008 11:11:06 AM

team hd dvd ftl

1/7/2008 11:16:17 AM

MS isn't Sony in that they aren't hampered with the trouble of perennially retarded.

Their math was simple:

Try and help HD DVD win the format war and make Sony look stupid.

or

Destroy the PS3 utterly by having an entire year to itself with an early release.

17.1 million Xbox360's later and a library thats outsold the PS3/Wii software sales combined I'd say their bet payed off well.

By the time Sony gets its home service rolled out, XBLive 3.0 will be under development.

By the time the PS3 stops being utterly worthless as a gaming platform, the next Xbox machine will be late in its design phases.

Honestly, why should MS remotely care about HD DVD. They won the gaming war and are set to win the home download front as well.*


*Wii fans: nobody cares how many trillion units your system sold. Its graphics, capabilities and games are geared for five year olds. Admitting you play that shit while not having kids makes you have the same social status as the fat comic book nerd in The Simpsons.

1/7/2008 11:20:29 AM

^^^ I was more replying to

Quote :

"During all this I was surprised Microsoft didn't just buy three studios and force them to go HD DVD."

and

Quote :

"All sorts of whacko theories going about. Of course, MS *could* completely own Sony by shipping Xbox360's with HD DVD records and proclaiming content downloaded from Xbox Live and/or your PC can be recorded onto HD DVD's in their full glory."

rather than expounding on the point.


^who give a fuck, wii is fun.

[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM. Reason : s]

1/7/2008 11:22:44 AM

Quote :

"Wii fans: nobody cares how many trillion units your system sold. Its graphics, capabilities and games are geared for five year olds. Admitting you play that shit while not having kids makes you have the same social status as the fat comic book nerd in The Simpsons."

the fact that you even need this note just proves how upset you are that the wii is indeed more innovative (and therefore more fun) than either xb360 or ps3...great graphics doesn't mean jack when it still the same boring gameplay that's more than going on 2 decades old

i'd rather pay half the price for twice the fun any day

1/7/2008 11:34:51 AM

Quote :

"i'd rather pay half the price for twice the fun any day"

that... and the fact that everything you can do on the PS3, my PC can do better

[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 11:39 AM. Reason : .]

1/7/2008 11:39:17 AM

Well if you like cute, bright colored characters interacting with a midi soundtrack then power to you.

As for the PC comment, 1997 is charging late fees on its lame ass comebacks.

1/7/2008 11:44:42 AM

You kids get trolled so easily it's amazing.

I think the one point that's really not being brought up is that even if HD DVD does die, it's absolutely no guarantee that Sony won't still fuck it up. Even with HD DVD dead, they've still got overpriced players, already outdated players, consumer apathy, and any number of other issues to conquer.

[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

1/7/2008 11:45:58 AM

so wait, blu ray can't do web content yet? lol

1/7/2008 12:23:43 PM

Quote :

"that... and the fact that everything you can do on the PS3 Xbox360, my PC can do better"

fixed it for ya

[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM. Reason : /]

1/7/2008 12:29:15 PM

Quote :

"that... and the fact that everything you can do on the PS3 and Xbox360, my PC can do better"

fixed it for both of you.

1/7/2008 12:31:14 PM

true, but ms puts practically all their games on the pc at some point. more so than sony


[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM. Reason : ;]

1/7/2008 12:42:04 PM

yet it doesn't really effect their console sales. Interesting. Sounds to me that they are pro-gamer because they want everyone to play their shit.

1/7/2008 12:44:06 PM

It's getting a bit off topic now, if we're talking about the merits of the X-Box 360 versus the Playstation 3, and the games that you can play on them.

HDM Releases for January 08, 2008

* 3:10 to Yuma (2007) (Blu-ray)
* Con Air (Blu-ray)
* Dragon Wars (Blu-ray)
* Killing Machine/Shogun's Ninja (Blu-ray)
* Man on Fire (Blu-ray)
* Mobsters (HD DVD)
* Night of the Werewolf/Vengeance of the Zombies (Blu-ray)
* The Pianist (HD DVD)
* The Rock (Blu-ray)
* Sister Street Fighter/Sister Street Fighter 2 (Blu-ray)
* Sunshine (Blu-ray)
* White Noise (HD DVD)
* White Noise 2: The Light (HD DVD)
* Zodiac: Director's Cut (HD DVD)

A crap-ton of big releases tomorrow. Con Air, The Rock, and Man On Fire are all great movies for HD. Dragon Wars (25% on RottenTomatoes) might be campy enough to be good.

Personally I can't wait to watch 3:10. I didn't hear much about it, but it got an 88% on RT, so it's next on my list after I get around to watching Blade Runner.

1/7/2008 1:30:15 PM

HD DVD never had anything like this.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006194.html

1/7/2008 6:47:21 PM

Gosh, they just come closer and closer to validating the price of every PS3 one 480x272 DVD rip at a time. Surely this will endear them to the throngs of people they've fucked over by selling an overpriced, outdated standalone unit over the past year.

Gee, whyever wouldn't we want them as the leader in digital disc media when we can buy all these extra Sony products?

[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 7:53 PM. Reason : .]

1/7/2008 7:53:10 PM

hmm... interesting concept, sounds like another apple scheme, which if it involves DRM of any kind (and knowing sony it may) than this could end up being worse for the consumer

if they do what apple did and make the content affordable, they can create a similar monopoly like apple has on the music industry and keep their hardware prices high (again like apple)

time to buy sony stock?

[Edited on January 7, 2008 at 8:27 PM. Reason : .]

1/7/2008 8:26:26 PM

apple hardware is not 'high' it might have been at one time but apple is just as affordable as any quality similar product.

1/7/2008 8:42:19 PM