The Truth About September 11
http://www.rudemacedon.ca/911/0902-holmgren.html

8/10/2005 12:45:24 PM

Once again this webpage does nothing but point out coincidences. If the conspiracy is so huge, why can't you prove a direct connection?

8/10/2005 2:32:15 PM

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"Once again this webpage does nothing but point out coincidences. If the conspiracy is so huge, why can't you prove a direct connection?you post nothing of merit. Shut the fuck up Mr. Joshua"

8/10/2005 2:39:33 PM

Post stalk much?

8/10/2005 2:46:30 PM

The Rest Of The 911 Flight 93 Story
http://www.rense.com/general67/rest911.htm

See bottom for links to previous articles by same author in this "series" of 9/11 related articles.

8/12/2005 12:06:05 PM

From one of the articles cited:

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"According to the Nashua (N.H.) Telegraph, FAA employees at an air-traffic control center near Boston learned from controllers at other facilities that an F-16 “stayed in hot pursuit” of the 757. By 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, the Air Force had taken control of all U.S. airspace, the unidentified controller told the Telegraph. A few minutes later, the Boeing crashed in Stonycreek Township. The F-16 made 360-degree turns to stay close to the 757, the Telegraph reported. “He must’ve seen the whole thing,” the FAA employee said of the F-16’s pilot. Crowley confirmed that there were two other aircraft within 25 miles of the United flight that were heading east when it crashed, scattering debris over 8 miles. He did not know the types of planes, nor could he discuss the altitudes at which they were flying. Military planes sometimes “shadow” airliners that are in trouble or have lost radio communications, as part of efforts to re-establish contact."

The problem here is that the majority of the news articles that are linked on the rense page don't back up his story at all. He inserts quotes out of context in a manner that will help his theory. For other articles he exaggerates and fabricates what was said.

Can you explain to us why an Austrian or Swedish Saab jet was involved? Can you go on to explain how we can be certain that it was a Saab jet by looking at blurry white specs on photographs?

8/12/2005 12:20:44 PM

Newly-released tapes show NY Office of Emergency Management knew buildings 1, 2 and 7 were going to collapse BEFORE each building actually collapsed
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/08/how-did-they-know.html

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"How Did They Know? On September 11th, none of the New York firefighters thought the twin towers would collapse. And no engineer in the country, including the designers of the world trade centers, thought they would collapse. Indeed, "experts said no building like it, a modern, steel-reinforced high-rise, had ever collapsed because of an uncontrolled fire" (full article is pay-per-view), and the twin towers were designed to survive airplane strikes. And yet, somehow, on 9/11, Mayor Rudy Giuliani knew in advance that the world trade center was going to collapse. And newly-released tapes of firefighters and other emergency personnel show that New York's Office of Emergency Management told a handful of people that buildings 1 and 2, as well as building 7, were going to collapse BEFORE each building actually collapsed. See also this statement. What if a police detective was investigating the murder of a guy named Joe, who had previously been healthy, and discovered that a suspect had said on the day of the murder "Joe will be dead within 2 hours"? The detective would believe that the suspect killed Joe, or at least conspired with those who did. Similarly, the foreknowledge of the collapse of buildings 1, 2 and 7 – when steel-framed buildings simply do not collapse due to fire – is strong circumstantial evidence that Guiliani and some key people within New York's Office of Emergency Management -- or their superiors in the chain of command -- are guilty for the demolition of those buildings. We've all watched enough detective shows on TV to recognize this foreknowledge as evidence of guilt."

[Edited on August 14, 2005 at 11:35 PM. Reason : 1]

8/14/2005 11:34:22 PM

could it possibly be that an "uncontrolled fire" was not considered to be one caused by BURNING JETFUEL? Could it be that they got a look at some of the damage and said "oh shit, this is bad!" nope. its got to be thatg crazy ass theory that dubya and the jews wanted to attack americans to keep their world order going strong

8/14/2005 11:40:44 PM

When I saw the burning towers on 9/11, my first thought was that they were going to collapse.

I must be a part of the NWO!

8/15/2005 12:36:36 AM

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"On September 11th, none of the New York firefighters thought the twin towers would collapse. And no engineer in the country, including the designers of the world trade centers, thought they would collapse. Indeed, "experts said no building like it, a modern, steel-reinforced high-rise, had ever collapsed because of an uncontrolled fire" (full article is pay-per-view), and the twin towers were designed to survive airplane strikes. And yet, somehow, on 9/11, Mayor Rudy Giuliani knew in advance that the world trade center was going to collapse."

8/15/2005 12:45:45 AM

Wow. So that blogger interviewed every single firefighter in New York City as well as every engineer in the country about 9/11?

Oh no, he made a broad assumption based on the fact that no one said "collapse" during a 78 minute tape. Brilliant journalism. No wonder you posted it.

8/15/2005 12:53:18 AM

WTC7 collapse foreknowledge on FDNY tapes
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/150805collapseforeknowledge.htm


Censored by MSNBC: Firefighter reported WTC basement explosions
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/150805basementexplosions.htm

8/15/2005 10:59:06 PM

so you're trying to discredit someone who didn't understand what was going on at the time?

i'm sure that wasn't happening all over the entire country with millions of people screaming questions left and right and buying out the local food lion.

idiot.

8/16/2005 1:30:01 AM

WTC7 collapse foreknowledge on FDNY tapes

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"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 o'clock, that they thought 7 was going to collapse."

At this point 300+ firefighters had already been killed in the WTC collapse. Do you really think that they wanted to risk losing more for the sake of an empty building?

Censored by MSNBC: Firefighter reported WTC basement explosions

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"Long said he heard the north tower shake and thought something in the basement had exploded."

Gee, why would the ground shake when the south tower collapsed? It couldn't be from the 110 story building hitting the pavement, could it?

Recently you've been very adamant about the presence of a bomb in the WTC basements. Please explain why a bomb in the basement at the time of impact would make a tower collapse from the top down.

8/16/2005 9:49:31 AM

because the elite, zionist, jew controlled world can alter physics!!!111!!1

8/16/2005 11:08:57 AM

http://www.rense.com/general67/close.htm

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"Close Informant & Friend Of Former FBI Agent John O'Neill, Killed on 9/11, Tells How FBI Higher-Ups 'Shut Him Down' Letting 9/11 Happen By Greg Szymanski The Arctic Beacon 8-16-5 A Seattle woman who was a close informant of former FBI agent and Al Qaeda hunter John O'Neill during the crucial months prior to the 9/11, said they both provided vital information in an attempt to stop the attack but were blocked by officials in the New York and Washington bureaus every step of the way. The informant's earth shattering revelations and hard evidence, including names, dates, locations, motives and sordid dealings of known terrorists, may once and for end all speculation that the FBI overtly tried to thwart O'Neill's investigation, as well as even show authorities worked closely, assisting known terrorists in bringing about 9/11 as well as other previous terrorist attacks. The detailed information, never released publicly and provided to the Arctic Beacon and the American Free Press, clearly shows, according to the informant, a plot in the FBI by O'Neill's boss, Tom Picard and others higher-up in the chain of command to block O'Neill just when he may have been able to gum up the works, mainly from contacts made by the Seattle informant with a major Al Qaeda cell operating on the East Coast. Seattle veterinarian and long time friend and informant of O'Neill, Janet Parker, 53, said O'Neill was stopped by his bosses only months prior to 9/11 from getting a wire tap on a major cell leader, Shadrack Manyathella, who had close ties with Ali Mohammad, a suspected CIA double operative and Mohammad Atta, the alleged 9/11 ring leader."

[Edited on August 17, 2005 at 11:33 AM. Reason : 2]

8/17/2005 11:31:09 AM

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"During the month of August 2001, Parker lost contact with O'Neill, who resigned under pressure in late August, taking a cushy job handed to him on silver platter as head of security at the World Trade Center."

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"What happened next is well-documented, as O'Neill was killed inside the Twin Towers on 9/11, after officially starting work on Sept. 10"

OMG MAJOR C0N5P14RACY!!!1111!!1!!!

8/17/2005 11:36:08 AM

I read the entire article and it seems extremely far fetched.

The fact that it appears on the internet with absolutely no details as to where it came from doesn't help.

8/17/2005 11:49:20 AM

http://judicial-inc.biz/Oneill.htm

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"John O'Neill Assassinated ... In September of 2001, mere days before 9/11, he got a job offer from Larry Silverstein (owner of WTC). Oddly, O'Neill was missing for two days before 9/11 –miraculously his body was discovered in tact in the WTC ruins."

8/18/2005 12:35:44 PM

That entire web page is pure speculation. There is no evidence to back up any of it's wild claims.

I looked around the site and I can easily say that it is one of the most blatantly anti-semitic webpages that I have ever seen. Oh, let me guess: they're not anti-semitic, they're just spreading the truth by slandering the entire Jewish community...

Please find some proof, or at least solid evidence if you're going to keep this up.

8/18/2005 1:04:19 PM

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"That entire web page is pure speculation. There is no evidence to back up any of it's wild claims."

This accurately describes your posts on TWW. No evidence ever presented....just your hysterical opinions and speculations.

8/18/2005 1:16:44 PM

Do I really need evidence to point out the gaping holes in what you post? Just look at what you're posting, brainiac.

Maybe if you could find some better sources it wouldn't be so easy.

8/18/2005 1:20:26 PM

http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

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"High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates Depleted Uranium Used. By Greg Szymanski The Arctic Beacon 8-19-5 Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site. A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military's depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used. "I'm not an explosives or crash site expert, but I am highly knowledgeable in causes and effects related to nuclear radiation contamination. What happened at the Pentagon is highly suspicious, leading me to believe a missile with a depleted uranium warhead may have been used," said radiation expert Leuren Moret in a telephone conversation this week from her Berkeley, CA home. Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. Regarding the missile theory, it is also backed up by retired Army Maj. Doug Rokke, a PhD educational physics and former top military expert banished from the Pentagon after the military failed to follow regulations regarding the use, clean up and medical treatment regarding the use of depleted uranium. "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile," said Maj. Rokke from his Rantoul, IL home this week. "And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile. Also, if you look at the WTC and the disturbing flash hitting the tower right before the impact of the airplane, it also looks like a missile was used.""

8/19/2005 11:39:49 AM

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"OK, I only read about half of this thread, but listen up. I know for a fact that a plane hit the pentagon becasue I saw it. With my own eyes. I was on my way to DC with my parents on the morning of September 11. I took the week off of school and after spending Monday night in Richmond, we were headed up to see the sites in DC. We were coming up on washington and were almost to the point where the pentagon is visable on the left. I was driving and my dad was in the passenger seat. All of a sudden we both see a plane coming from the right and behind us, though we hadn't heard it apporach. National Airport is in the direction that the plane was flying, but this plane was flying low and fast. It crossed our path and disappeared for about 2 seconds before we saw a flash of light and heard what sounded like a muffled firework. A few seconds later, we saw a large plume of smoke coming from where the plane had been headed. Just then we came around the bend and saw the building on fire. Fucking scary as shit. We pulled over on the side of the road, as did some of the other drivers, to watch and talk to the other people who had seen it, but about 5 minutes later a bunch of cops came through running everybody out. So yeah, it was a plane. End of thread."

JH Price
3/29/2005 2:32:22 PM
Page 28

Please explain this.

8/19/2005 11:47:44 AM

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"Mr. Joshua: "Please explain this."

I already responded to that post, you buffoon.

From page 29:

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"There are different eyewitness accounts in regards to the Pentagon attack. Some witnesses report seeing an airliner similar to a Boeing 757. Others report seeing an aircraft much smaller than a Boeing 757. Beyond the eyewitness testimony, I think physical evidence should take precedence. The physical evidence I have seen in regards to the damage and wreckage at the Pentagon tends to not support the official story. The damage to the Pentagon is not consistent with a Boeing 757 hit and there was little to no identifiable wreckage of a 757 present. There are other inconsistencies in the official story. The official story is that Hani Hanjour piloted Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Yet, we know from mainstream sources that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon made a difficult manuever in the approach to the Pentagon that only a very experienced pilot could have made. One FAA official said he thought it was a "military plane" based on the manuever in the approach to the Pentagon. We also know that Hanjour was a poor pilot. He did not have the skills TO EVEN FLY a Boeing 757, LET ALONE TO MANUEVER IT THE WAY THE AIRCRAFT DID THAT HIT THE PENTAGON. On top of this, there were many cameras that captured the aircraft that hit the Pentagon. The FBI has confiscated some of these, and they have not been released to the public. What are they hiding? And the 5 frames of video the government did release does not show a 757."

[Edited on August 19, 2005 at 11:54 AM. Reason : 2]

8/19/2005 11:51:27 AM

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"high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site"

I'm not sure what this guy considers "high levels of radiation", but, seeing as radiation exposure would vary with the inverse of the square of the distance (1/(x^2)). radiation levels at the Pentagon would have had to have been astronomical.

add...

I've never been to the Pentagon, but doesn't it have a granite facade? Following the crash, a lot of granite dust would have certainly become airborne. Granite, because of whatever it is that makes up granite, can cause higher background radiation levels. So yeah, I could see radiation levels being higher in the local area around the Pentagon. But it wouldn't be lethal levels or anything like that. This sounds like fear mongering; playing off of peoples' ignorance of radiation.

[Edited on August 19, 2005 at 11:59 AM. Reason : ]

8/19/2005 11:51:34 AM

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" you buffoon."

lolollllolololloolollol salisbury calling someone a buffoon

8/19/2005 11:55:04 AM

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"We also know that Hanjour was a poor pilot. He did not have the skills TO EVEN FLY a Boeing 757, LET ALONE TO MANUEVER IT THE WAY THE AIRCRAFT DID THAT HIT THE PENTAGON."

pardon me, but WHO knows? it says "we"; who the hell is "we"? Alex Jones?

8/19/2005 11:55:59 AM

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"Beyond the eyewitness testimony, I think physical evidence should take precedence. The physical evidence I have seen in regards to the damage and wreckage at the Pentagon tends to not support the official story. The damage to the Pentagon is not consistent with a Boeing 757 hit and there was little to no identifiable wreckage of a 757 present."

Have you sifted through the wreckage? No, you've looked at pictures. A plane crashed into a wall at 500+ mph. Obviously there will not be any large pieces of the aircraft left.

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"There are other inconsistencies in the official story. The official story is that Hani Hanjour piloted Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Yet, we know from mainstream sources that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon made a difficult manuever in the approach to the Pentagon that only a very experienced pilot could have made. One FAA official said he thought it was a "military plane" based on the manuever in the approach to the Pentagon. We also know that Hanjour was a poor pilot. He did not have the skills TO EVEN FLY a Boeing 757, LET ALONE TO MANUEVER IT THE WAY THE AIRCRAFT DID THAT HIT THE PENTAGON."

We've been over this. He made a tight turn generally avoided by commercial planes. They avoid sharp banking turns because it is uncomfortable for passengers, however, this does not mean that commercial aircraft cannot make tight turns.

He may have been a poor pilot, landing and taking off being the two hardest parts. However, even a monkey could point a plane at a target.

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"On top of this, there were many cameras that captured the aircraft that hit the Pentagon. The FBI has confiscated some of these, and they have not been released to the public. What are they hiding? And the 5 frames of video the government did release does not show a 757."

They don't show a 757. They show a blur. Thats what a 757 looks like when a cheap security camera takes a picture of one in 500+ mph dive.

But please go ahead and ignore eyewitness testimony so that your absurd little theory will be a little bit more palatable.

8/19/2005 12:06:30 PM

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A11FD35550C778CDDAC0894DA404482

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"A Trainee Noted for Incompetence By JIM YARDLEY (NYT) ABSTRACT - Hani Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted airliner that crashed into Pentagon on Sept 11, was reported to Federal Aviation Administration in Feb 2001 after instructors at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine;"

cached: http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/nyt_hanjour1.html

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"A Trainee Noted for Incompetence May 4, 2002 By JIM YARDLEY ... Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner. ... Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all.""

Hani Hanjour: 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html

8/19/2005 12:07:26 PM

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=23167

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"Pentagon Hid September 11 Attackers from the FBI By Emrah Ulker Published: Friday, August 19, 2005 A US army intelligence officer has claimed that two out of three cells involved in the September 11 attacks had been identified a year before the event. Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, 42, of Able Danger, a secret data-analyzing operation of the US army said his unit had identified Mohammed Atta and three other suicide hijackers involved in the 9/11 in mid 2000. Shaffer claimed the army intelligence unit had tried to transmit this information to the FBI but the Pentagon lawyers canceled three meetings with FBI agents."

Protecting the patsies until they were needed.

8/19/2005 12:20:21 PM

He was a good enough pilot to receive a commercial license from the FAA in 1999. They must just give those out to anybody.

Regardles, even a monkey could point a plane at a target.

8/19/2005 12:22:20 PM

EXCELLENT article...

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html

8/19/2005 7:21:38 PM

How do you explain Hanjour getting his commercial pilot's license from the FAA?

8/19/2005 8:13:38 PM

there are a few specials on tonight on the national geographic channel pertaining to the investigations...oh teh propaganda

8/22/2005 5:06:08 PM

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"Beyond the eyewitness testimony, I think physical evidence should take precedence."

yeah, because the eyewitness testimoney proves you wrong...

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"Close Informant & Friend Of Former FBI Agent John O'Neill, Killed on 9/11, Tells How FBI Higher-Ups 'Shut Him Down' Letting 9/11 Happen"

So let me get this straight... The guy knows when and where 9/11 happens and THEN TAKES A DESK JOB AT THE WTC THE DAY BEFORE THE FUCKING ATTACK????

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"I'm not an explosives or crash site expert"

but you can say for sure it was a missile? wow. "I'm not a rocket scientist but I can build a rocket that will take you to the moon and back safely..."

8/22/2005 5:19:51 PM

http://www.911blogger.com/

Includes nice collection of links to other 9/11 related sites.

8/22/2005 11:03:15 PM

always nice to be kept up to date on the latest crackpots.

8/23/2005 7:52:51 AM

Ah ahhahahahahah I love this thread.

8/23/2005 9:31:23 AM

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"How do you explain Hanjour getting his commercial pilot's license from the FAA?"

Can you answer this?

8/23/2005 11:14:24 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml

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"FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker (CBS) Months before Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon, managers at an Arizona flight school reported him at least five times to the FAA, reports CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales. They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad, they told the Associated Press, they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license. "I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had," said Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52408,00.html

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"FAA Probed, Cleared Sept. 11 Hijacker in Early 2001 ...Chevrette, the flight school manager, said she told Anthony she believed Hanjour could not write or speak English fluently as required to get a U.S. commercial pilot's license. ...Chevrette said she contacted Anthony twice more when Hanjour began ground training for Boeing 737 jetliners and it became clear he didn't have the skills for the commercial pilot's license. "I don't truly believe he should have had it and I questioned that. I questioned that all along," she said."

[Edited on August 23, 2005 at 11:57 AM. Reason : 2]

8/23/2005 11:44:43 AM

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"FBI agents have questioned and administered a lie detector test to one of Hanjour's instructors in Arizona who was an Arab American and had signed off on Hanjour's flight instruction credentials before he got his pilot's license. That instructor said he told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit." The instructor added, "Maybe his English wasn't very good.""

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"Regardless, even a monkey could point a plane at a target."

So were the FAA inspectors who didn't revoke his license a part of the grand conspiracy?

[Edited on August 23, 2005 at 11:58 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2005 11:53:48 AM

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""I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all.""

But I guess Mr. Joshua knows more about flying than flight school instructors and managers. According to his "theory", even monkeys could have flown planes into buildings. This is the type of "logic" you have to resort to in order to make the official story make sense.

8/23/2005 11:59:54 AM

There are various reports, you choose to only see the ones that support your theory. This is the hallmark of every absurd theory that you push.

Aside from taking off and landing, which Hanjour had no use for, it is surprisingly easy to fly a plane. One of the biggest concerns was his poor english, which is vital when piloting an aircraft.

Were the FAA inspectors who didn't revoke his license a part of the grand conspiracy?

8/23/2005 12:06:39 PM

well your story changes every day so it hard to believe anything you say. once a plane reaches cruising altitude making a 180 is not that hard to do with minimal training the hard thing is keeping the engines from stalling during descent. You also have to remember this guy isn't trying to keep passengers comfortable so while he made manuevers dubbed complex, they were complex in keeping the passengers from experiencing high levels of discomfort. Then I guess if Alex Jones says something it must be true, who is the sheep now.

8/23/2005 12:11:17 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14365-2001Sep11¬Found=true

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"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said. ...Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious."

"Flight 77" maneuverability like military plane
http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/pentagon/flight-77-maneuverability-like-military-plane.txt

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""The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe.""

So, are we to believe that Hanjour, who we know was a poor pilot and lacked the skills to even have a pilot's license, flew a Boeing 757 "with extraordinary skill" reminding aviation sources of a "fighter jet maneuver"?


Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

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"Knowing the flight characteristics of the “big birds” like the back of his hand, Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77could have “descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon’s first floor wall without touching the lawn.” Wittenberg claimed the high speed maneuver would have surely stalled the jetliner sending it into a nose dive, adding it was “totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner, something Wittenberg said he couldn’t do with 35 years of commercial jetliner experience. “For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand,” said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727’s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737’s through 767’s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying. “I had to be trained to use the new, computerized systems. I just couldn’t jump in and fly one,” he added. Finding more inconsistencies with the government story about Flight 77, Wittenberg recalled the recent statements made by a flight controller on an ABC 20/20 television program three months ago. “If you listened to her carefully only an experienced pilot probably would have known that what she was saying was scripted,” said Wittenberg. “Remember the transponder was turned off on Flight 77 and when this occurs, all the particular flight data like air speed and even the plane’s flight identification goes with it. “All that’s left on the controller’s screen is a green blip, that’s it. But here you have this flight controller on 20/20 saying she was tracking the flight with specific air speed and other coordinates which was totally impossible once the transponder was turned off. How would she even have known the flight number? The whole story is a pack of lies and this is just another example.""

[Edited on August 23, 2005 at 12:41 PM. Reason : 3]

8/23/2005 12:36:18 PM

Quote :

"So, are we to believe that Hanjour, who we know was a poor pilot and lacked the skills to even have a pilot's license, flew a Boeing 757 "with extraordinary skill" reminding aviation sources of a "fighter jet maneuver"?"

Yes, it looked like a fighter manuever because no one ever flies a 757 like that. Commercial pilots do not execute 270 degree turns. It is unsafe and uncomfortable for passengers.

The truth is that he had earned a pilot's license, so I don't know how you know that he lacked the skills to have one. You must assume that simply because it supports your theory. Evidently you know absolutely nothing about the process that one goes through to get a commercial license.

As far as your little article about the pilot, why don't all commercial pilots believe what he does? If its so blatantly obvious that he was an ace pilot as the story claims, why doesn't every single pilot in the country recognize that fact?

8/23/2005 1:02:09 PM

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"As far as your little article about the pilot, why don't all commercial pilots believe what he does? If its so blatantly obvious that he was an ace pilot as the story claims, why doesn't every single pilot in the country recognize that fact?"

Perhaps most or nearly all commercial pilots who know the facts believe that the official story about Flight 77 and the Pentagon is impossible. How do you know that they don't? Can you show me some articles where commercial pilots testify that the official story is plausible? At least I have provided an article where an experienced pilot says the official account is unbelievable.

Related to this...

http://www.rense.com/general49/no911.htm

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"Back in May 2003, a journalist in Portugal reported on a sensational, marathon meeting of a group of U.S. pilots that issued a report concluding that the story told by the U.S. government about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 was improbable and unlikely."

8/23/2005 6:21:26 PM

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"Perhaps most or nearly all commercial pilots who know the facts believe that the official story about Flight 77 and the Pentagon is impossible. How do you know that they don't?"

Then you should be able to find thousands of articles similar to the one you posted. Its ridiculous to present one man's opinion and assume that all people in his profession have the same idea. For all you know, Wittenberg might be one of those crazy people on the internet that your parents warned you about.

8/24/2005 10:51:32 AM

really i wrote that and posted it an internet blog out of curiousty

8/24/2005 10:53:10 AM