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hahahaha j/k on p33

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 6:54 AM. Reason : .]

1/25/2007 6:54:27 AM

http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=gaynorm&date=070130

Quote :

"James Cooney, a Charlotte, North Carolina attorney retained to represent Reade Seligmann in the Duke case, recently was asked why he thought the Duke case attracted so much attention. Mr. Cooney answered: "I think there were really three factors. The first was that this case was a 'perfect storm' of race, class and gender issues - it appeared to appeal to our worst thoughts about male athletes and underprivileged women of color. Second, the district attorney was so adamant and certain in his public statements that these crimes occurred - and that they were racially motivated - that even casual viewers could not help but be outraged by it. The third was that a number of constituencies - both the media and individuals with various race, gender and class agendas - then seized upon the case for their own purposes. This created a Pandora's box that, once opened, could not be shut." I would cite three other factors: (1) ignorance, (2) envy and (3) reverse racism. To be sure, that's not politically correct. But the truth is not necessarily politically correct. But for general ignorance of the truth as to what happened at the party, the kind of envy condemned by the Tenth Commandment and a rogue prosecutor with a political need to play the reverse racism card and a sufficient supply of local supporters, the Duke case would have been properly investigated, polygraph test offers would have been accepted instead of rejected, and there would have been a determination in due course that the gang rape claim was bogus instead of a rush to indict on selective evidence and a concealment of exculpatory evidence. (If there had not been a stripper party, there would not have been a Duke case, of course. But North Carolina law permits stripper parties. I say they are wrong, but they are not criminal and prosecutors are supposed to be fair and impartial ministers of justice, not moral arbiters.) Let's examine the three factors cited by Mr. Cooney. First: "this case was a 'perfect storm' of race, class and gender issues - it appeared to appeal to our worst thoughts about male athletes and underprivileged women of color. The case was "a perfect storm," as claimed, but who is "our"; what are "our worst thoughts about male athletes and underprivileged women of color"; and what is appealing about any of the many versions of the ludicrous story told by false accuser Crystal Gail Mangum? Promoting stereotypes about male (or female) athletes is unhelpful (and not expected by me from an attorney representing a top male athlete like Reade Seligmann, already wrongly defamed as a "hooligan" by Mr. Nifong). Mr. Cooney refrained from calling male athletes "hooligans" (which is good), but where is the evidence that male athletes as a group behave worse (or better) than other males (or female athletes), or people generally? More importantly, where is the evidence that the members of the 2005-2006 Duke University Men's Lacrosse Team should induce "our " bad thoughts, much less "our worst thoughts"? I'd be interested to compare the GPA and Board scores and behavior of the members of the 2005-2006 Duke University Men's Lacrosse Team as a group with the GPAs and Board scores and behavior of all Duke students and all college students as well as other college sports teams at Duke and generally. I expect that the team members compare favorably. Yes, there was a perfect storm. That perfect storm prevailed for so long due to ignorance (first ignorance as to what happened and then ignorance that the members of the team and their families and friends could overcome a corrupt prosecution). Now that perfect storm is dissipating. Take Michael B. Nifong, Durham County, North Carolina District Attorney Michael B. Nifong (for a little while longer). Sources say that at the beginning Mr. Nifong genuinely believed that Ms. Mangum had been raped at that party last March. Of course, that possibility had to be thoroughly investigated. But, so did Ms. Mangum, whose criminal, medical and employment history do not inspire confidence in her credibility. The mainstream media wallowed in the so-called Duke lacrosse scandal story like a pig in mud. It treated the gang rape claim as credible and chose to treat Ms. Mangum as a victim and not to identify her, even after Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty were indicted, substituting a presumption of guilt for a presumption of innocence and delaying the discovery and dissemination of information about Ms. Mangum that discredited her. Second: "the district attorney was so adamant and certain in his public statements that these crimes occurred - and that they were racially motivated - that even casual viewers could not help but be outraged by it." I was more than a casual viewer, and I was outraged. But I was outraged by (1) Mr. Nifong's flagrant misconduct, (2) the mainstream media tsunami inundating the team members, (3) the presumptions that Ms. Mangum was telling the truth and the team members were either rapists or protectors of rapists and (4) community reaction corrupting proceedings to the point that a "Dead Man Walking" comment aimed at Reade Seligmann IN COURT went unpunished by the court. Third: "a number of constituencies - both the media and individuals with various race, gender and class agendas - then seized upon the case for their own purposes. This created a Pandora's box that, once opened, could not be shut." Right about the seizing. But hope was in Pandora's box, it was not shut in, and the hope that the truth would prevail is being realized with respect to the Duke case. And lessons will be learned from the Duke case."

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 10:50 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2007 10:44:54 PM

they're gonna be fine.

1/30/2007 10:45:47 PM

^^ he missed half the points Cooney was making.

1/30/2007 11:19:57 PM

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"Jan. 24, 2007 - GOD HAS A PLAN! Sister Survivor, Don't be afraid to sue these three boys and the university. These boys brought this on themselves. Their defense attorneys have crucified you publicly. I hope some of the vile and wicked emails that were received by this website and some of the statements that were made by their defense attorneys can be used against them in court. As the Bible says , the wicked will fall by their own wickedness and they will fall ! Don't think for a minute that all the pain and suffering you have endured is in-vain, because it isn't. God is preparing you for something great. He wants to use you to help other hurting victims of sexual assaults. These boys just don't know they have set you up for a tremendous blessing and to be a blessing to others. Halleujah! Hang in there Detroit, MI"

2/1/2007 8:30:53 AM

^

Quote :

"I would cite three other factors: (1) ignorance, (2) envy and (3) reverse racism."

2/1/2007 9:23:43 AM

I would cite threefive other factors: (1) ignorance, (2) envy, (3) reverse racism. (4) greed and (5) selfishness.

2/1/2007 11:50:09 AM

Quote :

"Dead Man Walking"

i would love to kick the nigger that said that in the teef

2/1/2007 2:15:23 PM

^ ... ok ?

2/1/2007 2:17:55 PM

EASLEY: "Nifong was my poorest appointment"

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1192022/

Quote :

"Raleigh — North Carolina's governor told law students in New York last month that Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong broke a promise when he ran for a full term after being appointed to fill a vacancy. "I almost un-appointed him when he decided to run," Gov. Mike Easley said in a speech January 22 to students at New York University, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported Saturday. "I rate that as probably the poorest appointment that I've," the governor trailed off before adding "I've made some good ones." The News & Observer obtained a recording of the speech from the university's spokesman. Easley went to New York to speak about public service. He spent much of his time before the students talking about his political career. He and discussed Nifong after an audience member asked him about the sexual assault case in which three former Duke University lacrosse players were charged. Easley, a former prosecutor and state attorney general, said Nifong had done a poor job, adding, "You don't need me to tell you that." Nifong didn't return telephone messages and one of his lawyers, David Freedman, declined comment. The governor's office refused to allow interviews with Easley, the newspaper said. Nifong handed the case to the state Attorney General Roy Cooper last month after he was charged with ethics violations by the State Bar. The bar charged Nifong with violating rules by making statements early in the case and of withholding DNA evidence and not telling the truth about it. Easley appointed Nifong as the Durham prosecutor in April 2005 after naming then-DA Jim Hardin to a judgeship. Easley said Nifong, one of Hardin's assistant, said he wouldn't run for the office. A woman hired to dance at a Duke lacrosse team party told police March 14 she was raped and beaten. Rape charges have been dropped, but three men still face sexual offense and kidnapping charges. The accused players - David Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Maryland; Collin Finnerty, 20, of Garden City, New York, and Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, New Jersey - say they are innocent. The governor also was critical of Nifong's early statements, in which he told national news media that the case involved a racially motivated assault by lacrosse players. "That's how all this mess got started," Easley said. "He challenged the defense lawyers by talking about the case, calling the kids 'hooligans.' " "You can't comment on that except in the courtroom, and when you do, then the defense lawyers have to stand up for their client. Then it's on. All the rules are out the window, then you have chaos, and that's why those rules are so important and that's what you got in this case. It's chaotic. It looks bad for North Carolina. It looks bad for the DA's office. It looks bad for the criminal justice system in general." Easley said 2004 state law requires disclosure of all evidence in such cases."

2/3/2007 7:57:37 PM

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"Jan. 25, 2007 - READY FOR TRUTH TO BE REVEALED I am relieved to hear that the NC NAACP and other concerned citizens of Durham County are monitoring this case. These boys' defense lawyers remind me of whining and pouting five-year-olds who throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way. it is very apparent that they are trying to stall or cause this case to dissolve. Sorry boys, it will not happen! Don't these lawyers know that they are making their clients look more guilty by trying to obstruct justice. If they are truly innocent, why aren't they marching to the courthouse anxiously ready to reveal the truth? Why are they trying so hard to dissolve this case? It could mean only one thing - the prosecutor has something very damning against them. Their pouting has already caused two prosecutors to be assigned to the case (two heads are usually better than one). If these lawyers keep whining they will cause this case to be dragged out and cause these boys to look even more guilty. The public is ready for the truth to be revealed! Gus"

http://www.ourheartsworld.com/

2/6/2007 7:44:06 AM

are those people over there mentally retarded^?

2/6/2007 10:27:45 AM

yes.

2/6/2007 10:41:42 AM

seeing educated people use the word "reverse racism" makes my fucking stomach turn

2/6/2007 10:52:09 AM

why?

2/6/2007 10:54:13 AM

because racism is racism is racism. It doens't matter who it's against - white or black.
Black people being racist against white people is just "racism", not "reverse" anything

2/6/2007 11:02:29 AM

The term reverse racism refers to when society tries to help out a minority ethnicity but ends up unfairly hurting those that are not in that group. For instance, if a college accepted a black student with a C average over a white student with an A average (when the extracurriculars were equivalent or favoring the white student), that would be reverse racism.

This case is just plain and simply racism.

2/6/2007 11:17:13 AM

Quote :

"if a college accepted a black student with a C average over a white student with an A average"

good thing that would NEVER happen in this country!

2/6/2007 11:41:32 AM

happend to my uncle :x trying to continue in med school as well weee

Quote :

"Then it's on."

i need a Easly pic with that photoshopped immediately. preferably him pointing

2/6/2007 12:01:07 PM

Quote :

"The public is ready for the truth to be revealed! Gus"

Really?

It's finally time to post Mangum's picture!

It's finally time to reveal the names of all the guys who did match the DNA inside her!








GUS,

YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!





[Edited on February 6, 2007 at 12:55 PM. Reason : Disbar Nifong!]

2/6/2007 12:54:32 PM

Let me know when the riots start in Durham, I need a HDTV.

2/6/2007 12:58:22 PM

Charges need to be dropped already n the boyz need to be apologized to and they should charge the girl with obstructing justice or some shit for lying and taking valuable time n resources that could have been used elsewhere on something credible that actually occurred! I still would love to know how you can charge someone with kidnapping when she volunteered to come to their house n stripe! Makes no sense to me! Also Duke should let those boys finish school for free because last time I looked you were innocent until proven guilty and they hung them out to dry before even gettin all the facts! Just my 2 cents...I could go on but I will not

2/6/2007 1:34:52 PM

any news ?>

2/13/2007 9:13:54 AM

Nope someone else decide to Rape a girl at duke again. Them guys just can't get a girl to say yes i guess.

2/13/2007 9:34:18 AM

^ You mean for a change. No one was raped the first time.

2/13/2007 10:59:55 AM

Maybe they should compare the DNA samples from Mangum to Durham cops.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=461028

2/13/2007 11:48:56 AM

lol I love how everytime they talk about the new rape they make a point to bring up that it was in the same neighborhood, but "no connection was found"


ok, then why bring it up ? silly media

2/13/2007 12:50:55 PM

Quote :

"DURHAM - Duke University administrators will wait for Durham police to finish their investigation of a freshman's allegations that she was raped at an off-campus party before doing an inquiry of their own. Larry Moneta, Duke vice president of student affairs, said he heard about the incident early Sunday. "We're providing direct support to the woman," he said. Durham police were called to 405 Gattis St. at 3 a.m. Sunday after an 18-year-old reported being raped in a bathroom there. No charges had been filed late Monday. Members of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc., one of whom lives at the Gattis Street address, organized the party that started Saturday night and continued into the early hours of Sunday. As police investigated the sexual assault allegations Sunday, their inquiry took a different turn. Neighbors and bystanders reported seeing a duffel bag plummet to the ground from a second-story window. Police filed a second incident report from the home shared by several Duke students and owned by Arcadia Land Management, which, according to county property records, is an Oklahoma company. At 11:11 a.m. Sunday, police filed an incident report for three drug violations: possession of marijuana, Oxycontin and cocaine. No corresponding arrest report was available Monday. Police declined to give details of the accuser's allegations. As news of the reported rape spread through the blogosphere Monday, many people questioned whether District Attorney Mike Nifong would show the same interest in the investigation as he did the Duke lacrosse case. "We haven't made any arrests or anything yet," said Maj. L.A. Russ of the Durham Police Department. "He would not get involved this early." But in the lacrosse case, Nifong assumed control of the investigation, according to police reports, before any charges were filed."

http://www.newsobserver.com/145/story/542642.html

http://www.pbs1914.org/

Where you at Nifong?

2/13/2007 4:19:20 PM

2/13/2007 4:35:23 PM

Is the victim white?

2/13/2007 4:55:21 PM

there's no election this year

2/13/2007 6:15:05 PM

Double standard applied by N&O in latest alleged rape case:

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"Another year, another Duke alleged rape case. Set forth below is the beginning of a New & Observer article by Jessica Rocha, dated February 12, 2007 and entitled 'Duke student says she was raped,' reporting the alleged rape of a female Duke student by an unidentified male the day before in a bathroom at an off-campus party. 'DURHAM - Police are investigating allegations that a Duke University student was raped at an off-campus party on Gattis Street around 3 a.m. Sunday. 'More than 50 people attended a rowdy party over the weekend at 405 Gattis St., a duplex where several male Duke students live, according to Durham police. Neighbors said large number of cars were parked along the street and loud music blared from the house. 'An 18-year-old woman said she was raped in a bathroom of the residence, according to a Durham police news release. 'Police had not charged anyone but released a description of a suspect. The man is described as being in his late teens or early 20s, about 6-foot-1 and wearing a black do-rag, a gray sweatshirt and blue jeans, according to a police news release. . . .' One would not know it from the article, but the woman referred to in the article is white and the alleged rapist is black. The News & Observer did not make a secret of the fact that the false accuser in the Duke case (Crystal Gail Mangum, a name The News & Observer prefers not to print) is black and was accusing young white men of gang raping her [emphasis added]. It's called a double standard."

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_21264218.shtml

2/15/2007 2:27:56 AM

^I wondered why they didn't go ahead and say it was a black dude.

2/15/2007 2:48:05 AM

^ It’s because the N&O editors are left-wing ideologues that obviously see no reason to apply a single standard to these cases.

2/15/2007 2:55:05 AM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5073280

Quote :

"(02/27/07 -- DURHAM) - New motions have been filed in the Duke Lacrosse sex assault case. Defense attorneys for Collin Finnery, Reade Seligmann and David Evans filed the 39-page motion at the Durham Courthouse Tuesday morning. In it defense attorneys for the three former Duke Lacrosse players say the prosecution is still holding out on potentially-explosive DNA evidence. The DNA was taken in a rape kit the morning after the now-infamous lacrosse party on March 13, 2006 where the accuser says she was gang raped. This new filing says they've not been given all the DNA evidence that excludes their clients but includes more unrelated male DNA. Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong dropped rape charges against Collin Finnerty, Reade Seligmann and David Evans last December. All three defendants still face kidnapping and sexual offense charges. "

2/27/2007 1:41:33 PM

so when is Nifong going to be punished? Anybody know the current story? Sorry if its already posted somewhere in this thread.

3/16/2007 8:18:51 PM

Goto WRAL they just did a bit about him and the case again tonight. I am sure they have it posted. He will prolly weasel his way out of being punished. This whole case just needs to be over by now. This is freakin' ridiculous!

3/16/2007 9:42:01 PM

UPDATE: Sheldon Williams has returned to Dook and joined the lacrosse team.

3/16/2007 10:12:29 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/LegalCenter/story?id=2980582&page=1

Even Obama wants to have Nifong investigated.

3/26/2007 3:35:47 PM

J. Kirk Osborn, Attorney in Duke Lacrosse Case, Dies
http://wral.com/news/local/story/1247320/

3/26/2007 3:51:32 PM

the news was forecasting the charges would be dropped a couple days ago, I wonder what happened.

3/26/2007 11:45:03 PM

aha, just getting around to watching last Tuesday's The Daily Show with Dennis Miller as the guest - he called the girl "The Louvre of DNA"

4/2/2007 9:01:18 PM

Quote :

" In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

4/2/2007 9:07:47 PM

Quote :

"aha, just getting around to watching last Tuesday's The Daily Show with Dennis Miller as the guest - he called the girl "The Louvre of DNA""

^ROTFLMAO...that is too damn funny.

And why isn't this shit over with yet. This is fucking ridiculous!

4/2/2007 10:21:38 PM

sportscenter just reported all charges to be dropped tomorrow.

4/10/2007 11:24:37 PM

mhum... that's where i get all my news from

4/10/2007 11:47:53 PM

DING DING

ON WITH ROUND TWO IN CIVIL COURT

MY MONEYS ON THE INNOCENT DEFENDANTS IN A LANDSLIDE VICTORY

(maybe)

4/11/2007 1:07:02 AM

I wonder how the webmaster of that ourheartsworld.com site feels right now.

4/11/2007 1:25:22 AM

yep

[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 2:12 AM. Reason : .]

4/11/2007 2:12:14 AM

^^ It looks like it was taken down. At least, it's not working for me.

[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 2:30 AM. Reason : this is all pretty hilarious to me though]

4/11/2007 2:30:44 AM