yeah simonn, make sure you ignore that unc's entire run came with costner in the game and mccauley on the bench

and i used to naively think hickson would stay, but if i were him there's no way in hell i would. he won't be a lottery this year, but he would get drafted and make lots of money- something that sounds a whole lot more appealing than returning for another year of dealing with this trainwreck excuse for a basketball team. i just hope sidney learned a lot from this whole jj hickson experiement.

2/21/2008 4:58:20 PM

whatever. they both suck. end of story.

2/21/2008 4:59:55 PM

Costner sucks worse and has digressed more.

He's also lazier...thus wasting his talent even more.

2/21/2008 5:03:27 PM

it's like saying that the shorter of the two midgets isn't tall enough to get some off of the top shelf.

neither one of them is going to reach that shelf for you. what should be discussed is why have both of them digressed so badly? that is sidney lowe's fault, btw.

2/21/2008 5:17:08 PM

^i agree with your last statement at least

2/21/2008 5:45:10 PM

Quote :

"#1 problem (among many) with this team right now IMO: stop playing the fucking scrubs so much. Starting lineup and minutes: 33 Javi 35 Fells 35 Grant 31 McCauley 31 Hickson Bench: 13 Smith 5 Costner (Sub for McCauley/Hickson) 12 Johnson (Need to sub for Javi and Fells, could play Fergie but rather have Johnson in) 5 Horner (Sub for Grant, NOT Fells...way too fucking slow to guard SGs) For comparison check out the minutes in the unc game: 26 minutes for Hickson, 20 minutes for shitty Costner (almost as much as McCauley with only 21 minutes), 11 Fergie minutes, 8 horner minutes...etc. Way too much time with the shitty players and not enough for the starters. Yeah, I know they get tired....but at least they will get in shape and we could win a few games. Next time watch the game closely in terms of the substitutions and see when the opponent goes on it's run. It's not against our A team. It's when we squad substitute the shit team in."

slackerb, very well said. how is this lineup not obvious?? the top 5 are our most productive/cohesive group, therefore they should be gobbling up the minutes. if you are not in shape enough to play 35 mins a game at this point in the season then you need to transfer to intramurals.

Tracy Smith has got to get more minutes. He is a like a shot of adrenaline every time he takes the floor. I'm sick of hearing how the other bigs "haven't found their niche" with Hickson on the floor. Costner could learn a thing or two by watching Smith. He just needs to back people down to the goal like last year.

However I blame a lot of the drop in Costner's/McCauley's production on Lowe. He has GOT to figure out a way to get them more involved. Ben is better at creating shots than Costner, but both could use a set play or two geared toward them. How about rotating Hickson up to the elbow every now and then to allow some space to isolate the other bigs? How about trying SOMETHING?

It is so frustrating to watch this talent get wasted...four of our five starters should be all-ACC contenders but Lowe cannot figure out how to put it together. I am not an ACC coach by any means, but I know one thing...Ferguson and Horner on the floor for 20 mins is not the answer.

2/21/2008 6:34:42 PM

i disagree with starting javi

since the season is in the shitter... i say start the following

grant
fells
mccauley
hickson
smith


fuck you if you think we need a pg. we haven't had one the whole season anyway. so stfu

2/21/2008 11:35:04 PM

So me and my suitemate just got into a huge argument. I say Sid needs to go... He thinks Sid is doing the best he can with what he's got. What do you think?

2/21/2008 11:56:00 PM

^Tell me you are just trolling.

^^ I like that lineup....especially for like the last 5 minutes or against a team that doesn't run.

2/22/2008 12:26:14 AM

^^if only there were 32 pages worth of thread to help you figure out what we think! if only!



wait

2/22/2008 1:59:32 AM

we've run that lineup, more or less, and it isn't as good as it sounds like it would be.

2/22/2008 3:15:40 AM

Quote :

"I say Sid needs to go... He thinks Sid is doing the best he can with what he's got. What do you think? "

I think you should contribute to evolution and never...ever... reproduce

2/22/2008 8:44:18 AM

Quote :

"^Tell me you are just trolling."

obviously

2/22/2008 9:39:25 AM

I too felt that the massive amount of substitutions he has been doing seems to kill any momentum and lineup chemistry we begin to have in any given game

last year we did better because he was forced not to run that weird system and I think we'd do better if he only ever subbed one or two people at a time than the dramatic lineup changes that he keeps rotating this year

2/22/2008 10:10:42 AM

Also, no more squad substitutions please. I know it's easier and all, but it kills momentum.

Play bench players less....sub in one or two at a time, not whole squads.

Thanks Sid!

2/22/2008 12:12:34 PM

Quote :

"Play bench players less....sub in one or two at a time, not whole squads."

Except Tracy Smith. Why Horner, Ferguson, and Johnson get more PT than him is crazy.

2/22/2008 1:53:43 PM

why tracy smith doesn't get pt period baffles me.

why ferguson gets pt period baffles me.

johnson i suppose is necessary to sub for javi, but man is he struggling. i feel really bad for him, b/c he's trying... but he's having a real hard time.

2/22/2008 1:56:05 PM

Johnson just doesn't think like a guard. He'll try to make an entry pass for .5 seconds then give up. No pass fakes, no dribble to setup the pass, nothing.

2/22/2008 2:08:12 PM

^honestly, i bet i could play pg better than johnson

that is so

2/23/2008 1:03:39 AM

Having a guy who draws a double team in the post would ordinarily be a huge advantage for any basketball team on any level. Real teams would salivate at the opportunity to exploit that kind of advantage. Look at how carolina easily sliced through us once we got desperate and tried to double the douchebag.

Our team just isn't very smart.

2/23/2008 1:08:25 AM

^^ plus he shoots like a girl.

2/23/2008 8:27:54 AM

Quote :

"why tracy smith doesn't get pt period baffles me."

i totally agree. tracy has shown he can hang, yet he gets no pt. i remember him having a pretty good game against carolina.

2/23/2008 11:15:54 AM

I think Smith's D needs to improve if that happened I start him, but nobody on this team plays D for 40 mins which i don't understand. when we play D we win those min in a game. well baseball started today maybe they can save the year!


State is kickin Apps Ass 8-1



[Edited on February 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM. Reason : baseball update]

2/23/2008 2:35:57 PM

Damn 7-5 loss to ASU....

Elliott Avent Credibility thread?

2/24/2008 12:16:41 AM

you know baseball has been tanking since i've been here.

maybe it's due.

2/24/2008 12:17:56 AM

Seems like every year we are either loaded in pitching and suck at hitting or vice versa.

Much like football under Chuck. One side was awesome and the other sucked. This year our baseball team doesn't look too good at either outside of a few like Dallas, Surkamp, and McConnell.

2/24/2008 12:20:40 AM

i cannot wait to see surkamp this year.

2/24/2008 12:21:26 AM

if this thread is gonna get hijacked at least hijack it with an interesting sport.....

2/24/2008 10:07:24 AM

^Fuck you. Baseball is the shit. It is still America's game in my opinion.

And Bruce Pearl is showing the country that you don't need 20 years to build a program. Buzz Peterson sucked ass and Pearl took over and had a 20 win season right away. Now in year 3 they are #1.

2/24/2008 12:55:43 PM

Who the fuck thought you needed 20 years to build a basketball program? Not anyone with the slightest bit of basketball knowledge, that's for sure.

2/24/2008 1:01:44 PM

A little bit of exaggeration asshole.....People keep coming in this thread and saying stuff like he gets at least 5 years or let him get his players and shit like that.

2/24/2008 1:10:27 PM

A herb dick sucker has no right to complain about people wanting to give a coach more time.

2/24/2008 1:13:50 PM

You can say what you want but Herb improved the program by leaps and bounds.

Its our fault we didn't get someone who could improve on it.....maybe Lowe turns it around but I doubt it.

2/24/2008 2:04:34 PM

when you don't improve or change what you're doing over the course of the unsuccessful season its time to go.

same shit every game. i at least want to see us come up with different ways to lose.

2/24/2008 4:52:51 PM

IT'S THE POINT GUARD'S FAULT. JUST WAIT TILL HE GETS HIS OWN PLAYERS IN 2023.

2/24/2008 5:03:19 PM

hmm. it's hard but i'll wait until until the tourney's over. but wow. does sid make it hard.

2/24/2008 5:04:34 PM

There's no choice but to keep Lowe. From the last coaching search we realized that this is not an attractive job for high profile coaches. If Lowe is fired soon, it will look even worse because a) we ran off a coach that consistently got us to the NCAA, b) we are not willing to give someone enough time.

Best we can do it cross our fingers and hope that Lowe can succeed or let the program suck for a couple more years and roll the dice with another coach.

2/24/2008 5:08:31 PM

why did we need a high profile coach? we didnt go after 1 not 1 midmajor coach. thats where the good coaches are. rick barnes is texas. anybody can win at texas with half a brain. calipari at memphis is just a cheeser. besides, what do we have that texas doesn't have to offer? why not go after somebody like

charlottes coach?

butlers coach?

siu's coach?

winthrop's coach?

theres so many great coaches in the little conferences that would love to coach somewhere with the resources/fanbase and history of ncstate. same thing with football. why get an acc coach?

it all comes down to our ad sucks and doesn't know what he's doing.

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 5:16 PM. Reason : shitty fowler shitty fowler let me be ad]

2/24/2008 5:15:49 PM

Eh...just watching this abysmal first half has made me shorten my window for Sid to 3 years.

This is fucking ridiculous. Virginia should be the worst team in the ACC right now.

Maybe we should keep hiring unproven coaches until we get lucky and find a good one.

2/24/2008 5:19:04 PM

we can't fire lowe until fowler goes. we can't leave another hire in his hands. i think it's time to rally against fowler like we did herb. unless that miraculously happens, we're just screwed for another couple decades at least and there is seriously no hope.

2/24/2008 5:25:04 PM

Many retarded fans were convinced that our job was among the elite in the country and high profile coaches would sell their left nut to come here.

2/24/2008 5:26:08 PM

we can't fire lowe until fowler goes. we can't leave another hire in his hands.

HEY GUYS, FABULUS^ KNOWS WHAT COACHES ALL ACROSS THE NATION THINK

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM. Reason : .]

2/24/2008 5:27:17 PM

marye anne fox wouldn't put up with this shit

2/24/2008 5:29:41 PM

Quote :

"Many retarded fans were convinced that our job was among the elite in the country and high profile coaches would sell their left nut to come here."

I don't want a high-profile coach...I just want a good coach.

2/24/2008 5:47:17 PM

people, people. Its obvious we hired Lowe due to his great success coaching the pros.

2/24/2008 5:48:58 PM

This game (UVA) has been a colossal failure on every level.

Especially coaching.

2/24/2008 5:49:54 PM

Quote :

"i think it's time to rally against fowler like we did herb. "

i agree. that turned out so well, let's do it again!

2/24/2008 5:52:09 PM

shoulda spent all the monies and got rick barnes

2/24/2008 5:53:15 PM

^^ well...really we should have gotten rid of lee first. and then herb. and then we wouldn't be in this mess.

2/24/2008 5:54:05 PM

If getting blown out by the worst team in your conference and having almost as many turnovers as points isn't rock bottom, I don't know what is. Yeah, firing a guy after his second year is fucking nuts. But if anything could cause one to start warming up to the idea, this is it.

2/24/2008 5:54:06 PM