Now that football season is right around the corner it looks like most of the ignorance has returned to ST...I don't post much but I read daily and it's always interesting to see people popping back up who don't have have a clue.

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"no kidding, Evans can't even outrun a defensive lineman...It's sometimes difficult to comprehend how slow Evans is "

You do understand that decent/good college DTs are running sub 5.0 40s while DEs are running 4.6s and 4.7s...

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"garbage coaching decision to redshirt glennon. pure. garbage. i recall a certain philip rivers playing every game, freshman to senior. give this guy a shot. we all know that evans sucks. now we get to see a 2 QB carousel AGAIN"

Redshirting Glennon was by FAR the best decision for the program. There is no reason to throw Glennon out there. He is TOBs biggest recruit and a QB that fits the system he wants to run. However, the rest of our personel does NOT fight the system TOB wants to run. Let Glennon do exactly what TOB said, sit a year, absorb and learn. Obviously if Glennon was leaps and bounds above Evans and Wilson he would be playing...but he's not...so we can conclude that he is probably showing the same amount of production (or less) that Evans and Wilson are.

Saying we have another year of QB carousel is premature, I still think Evans will get the nod, if he doesn't perform it will go to Wilson and that will probably be it. I don't see much bouncing around, there is no reason. Evans is gone after this year so if he doesn't perform it's not like the experience will help him for next season. But if he does perform you have a 5th year senior behind QB who is smart and experienced. There was tremendous growth from Evans between 06 and 07 and I think we see similar growth this year.

8/20/2008 5:36:20 PM

Rivers was the exception, not the rule. There are not a lot of true freshmen qb's that come in and do what he did, much less for 4 years.

If he really is that good we'll have him for his solid years anyway, and he can still stay and play for 4 seasons, don't assume he'll redshirt and be in the nfl and not stick around. If he isn't ready then it isn't smart to feed him to the dogs and risk injury etc.

8/20/2008 5:38:22 PM

The really key point here is that every QB is not Rivers.

Even every star QB recruit is not Rivers.

It's not really fair to compare every friggin' recruit we get to a once-in-a-lifetime kind of talent.

8/20/2008 5:40:14 PM

im not comparing the players, im comparing the opportunity.


my only thinking is that maybe glennon stunk it up in practice? i mean Wilson hasn't played a down either, so why is TOB waiting to announce Evans as the starter? Spurrier knows now that it will be evans, and now that little prick will start preparing for...the evans...threat? there will be no justification in playing Wilson at USC now unless somethign happens to evans

Quote :

"While he’s an exceptional talent, he’s just not ready to handle some of the situations, and that became apparent.” "

that same quote could well apply to Wilson



if u dont want to announce a starter yet for stragetic purposes, why announce glennon as a redshirt.


[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2008 5:51:28 PM

i'm thinking Glennon made some bad decisions and didn't have the composure needed running the 2 minute and 4 minutes offenses.

8/20/2008 6:03:33 PM

wow,this surprises me

8/20/2008 6:08:18 PM

daniel evans is ice...he will be fine if we can get an OFFENSIVE LINE this year that will allow us to RUN THE BALL over 100 yards a game...

our offense isnt built on throwing the deep ball so everyone hating on his arm stfu

8/20/2008 6:20:17 PM

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"You do understand that decent/good college DTs are running sub 5.0 40s while DEs are running 4.6s and 4.7s..."

You can throw out all the silly numbers you want, but the point is that a descent QB should be able to scramble and avoid a sack at least some of the time, and not just stand in the pocket and get clobbered by the slowest defensive players on the field because he has the speed of a tortoise

8/20/2008 6:29:55 PM

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"my only thinking is that maybe glennon stunk it up in practice?"

Not true, just means he probably isn't ready to play college football just yet. The coaches see him everyday, they know best what he is and isn't capable of doing. In the NFL you can get away with throwing in a rookie qb and having him learn on the fly, but the jump from high school to college is much more significant then college to pro and it can be pretty detrimental to have a kid in there who isn't ready. A lot don't recover from that, and you've wasted your prize recruit in a year that he probably won't learn anything more then how to take a hit.

8/20/2008 6:35:22 PM

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""garbage coaching decision to redshirt glennon. pure. garbage. "

hahahahaha says the guy posting on tww

good to know you're the authority on these things.

im sure the numerous reasons TOB brought up are bullshit.

Quote :

"isn't ready to play college football just yet."

8/20/2008 6:39:21 PM

I like the decision, let Glennon develop...

Plus our wide receivers are some of the tallest in the ACC, so Evans jump balls should work nicely

8/20/2008 6:48:02 PM

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"daniel evans is ice...he will be fine if we can get an OFFENSIVE LINE this year that will allow us to RUN THE BALL over 100 yards a game..."

amen, brother. Its all about the O line - if they have to stack the box because Eugene or Andre is running up their gut .... Evans becomes a better QB.

Also TOB is giving us an advantage over SC in the QB category:
NCSU QB experience : 2+ yrs > SC QB experience 0-1+yrs....

Maybe the Jimmie V haircut is what he's been needin?

8/20/2008 6:57:20 PM

with the qbs we have on the roster, if glennon was ready then tob would have started him... he is obviously not ready, thus of course it is the right decision... he is the one at practice and the one getting paid to make the decision

/discussion

8/20/2008 7:02:33 PM

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"amen, brother. Its all about the O line - if they have to stack the box because Eugene or Andre is running up their gut .... Evans becomes a better QB."

Nice to see Evans get some kudos for a change. I think he's been unfairly singled out the past 2 seasons for some of our losses. Bottom line is that he's not talented enough to put the team on his back. No shame in that. He's done well, if not very well, however when State's had a decent RUNNING game. People tend to gloss over that fact.

Evans can manage the game and run the offense. Throwing a freshman QB into the fray having never started a college game, NOT been there for spring practice, and doing so with a offense that will definitely go through growing pains... yeah it just makes no sense to play Glennon in what will almost certainly be a tough year for the Pack.

8/20/2008 7:14:19 PM

Evans had a shot and we know what he can do in game situations. Try someone new please. See what Wilson does in game situations, if it isn't any better, then rotate the 2.

8/20/2008 7:30:29 PM

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"but the point is that a descent QB should be able to scramble and avoid a sack at least some of the time "

DECENT quarterbacks don't have to scramble. How often does Peyton Manning scramble? never. Tom Brady? never. Philip? surely you know the answer to that.

8/20/2008 7:40:28 PM

thats just retarded, you've obviously never watched any of the QBs you listed play if you think that...even the best Offensive Line is going to make mistakes and force the QB to move around and leave the pocket occasionally to avoid a sack and/or allow the receivers to get open

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 8:03 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2008 7:55:12 PM

^^^ you assume that Evans cant be any better in his senior season...

dont get me wrong - I have plenty of doubts on Evans still. But I (realistically) have more doubts about Wilson in game situations than Evans...

8/20/2008 7:59:52 PM

^^^ uninformed comment.

8/20/2008 8:08:12 PM

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" DECENT quarterbacks don't have to scramble. How often does Peyton Manning scramble? never. Tom Brady? never. Philip? surely you know the answer to that."

Those qb's you listed, although not very mobile, move extremely well in the pocket. They also have great offensive lines, which help. I don't get your point there, Steve Young and John Elway use to scramble all the time, so that right there goes against what you are saying. I think those two are more then decent qbs..

For a qb, it isn't about speed, it is about feeling pressure and the way they feel the pocket and move around it. Very few QBs are purely faster then defensive players, but they are smart with how they move and use their line.

8/20/2008 8:09:25 PM

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"i was hoping this year would be the start of something good."

So with Glennon we were going to be 9-3 and with Evans 4-8?

Give me a break. Oline play like the last few posters have talked about will determine if this team gets better.

8/20/2008 8:11:46 PM

ooops

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"State LB Ware academically suspended from school John Ware By James Henderson, PackPride.com Posted: Today at 4:01 p.m. NC State head coach Tom O'Brien announced today at his press conference that redshirt sophomore linebacker John Ware has been academically suspended from school. "John Ware has been suspended from school," said O'Brien. "He's academically suspended. He's suspended. That doesn't mean he's out. He has to clear up some things academically, and he's going to come back." A redshirt sophomore, NC State moved Ware to safety from outside linebacker prior to spring practice, but early in fall practice he was back at linebacker. Very instinctive and athletic, he tallied 20 tackles, 1.5 tackles for a loss, and a forced fumble during his redshirt freshman campaign, mainly playing on special teams and on obvious passing downs. The 5-foot-11, 205 pounder was expected to battle for playing time at linebacker, but it may have been an uphill battle. Nate Irving, Ray Michel, and Robbie Leonard are listed as the starters, and sophomore Thomas Barnes is in the mix as well as freshmen Audie Cole, Dwayne Maddox, Sterling Lucas, and William Beasley. A native of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Ware was not present this weekend for the Wolfpack's Media Day."

8/20/2008 8:23:31 PM

just stop throwing interceptions... granted it's going to happen, and it's not always Daniel's fault, but there were a few times when I had no idea what could have been possibly going through his mind when he let the ball go.

You can probably attribute this to O-line play, if they can keep the pressure off better, I think we'll see less turnovers.

8/20/2008 8:23:55 PM

well lets just hope that SC's O-line plays like shit and their QB is running for his life the whole game throwing picks.... The thing that scares me is that their D is better and our O-line rolls in already looking at an uphill battle...

We need positive turnover ratio, dammit...

8/20/2008 8:38:24 PM

^^Agreed, but it's not even so much the interceptions. I can live with some from time to time. It's those damn pick six's. We'll be in the red zone in position to score and he'll chunk it and it gets run back. Those swings of a potential 14 points are huge and kill me! See the NC game from last year.

8/20/2008 8:51:31 PM

I like the move to redshirt Glennon. We are picked to finish last so there is no real pressure, except from the nutso fringe fanbase who are delusional... Let the kid learn the offense for a year, get stronger and we'll have an extra year from him later on when TOB has more of his players in place.

8/20/2008 9:09:27 PM

also louisville

8/20/2008 9:29:25 PM

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"Those qb's you listed, although not very mobile, move extremely well in the pocket. They also have great offensive lines, which help. I don't get your point there, Steve Young and John Elway use to scramble all the time, so that right there goes against what you are saying. I think those two are more then decent qbs.. For a qb, it isn't about speed, it is about feeling pressure and the way they feel the pocket and move around it. Very few QBs are purely faster then defensive players, but they are smart with how they move and use their line. "

I agree, and I think everyone else does it was just the idiot talking about how a decent QB should be faster than the defensive. Evans is obviously no NFL star but he is fairly atheletic and had some pretty decent scrambles last season...he's not a great runner, he's not great at feeling pressure, but the kid will hang in there and take a hit. He will step up in the pocket, and he will scramble better than a lot of guys can.

8/20/2008 9:42:56 PM

and he loves nc state...

8/20/2008 9:57:02 PM

I said its great... to be... ancstatewolfpack

8/20/2008 10:27:01 PM

^^^I didn't say the QB should be faster than the defense, retard, I said the QB should be able to outrun the slowest defensive players (i.e. the defensive lineman) at least some of the time otherwise they are just going to get sacked constantly like Evans does...obviously the QB is not going to be faster than the linebackers or DBs...good job on the reading comprehension

8/20/2008 10:33:31 PM

Its not about being fast; its about being able to feel the pressure, taking a couple of steps to avoid it, and making the pass. You dont really have to be faster than anybody, good pocket passers just know how to evade with a couple steps.

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 10:44 PM. Reason : ie: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady]

8/20/2008 10:43:33 PM

^^ i'm not sure where you fall in his statement.

8/20/2008 10:48:32 PM

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"I said its great... to be... ancstatewolfpack"

you're really askin' for it man.

8/20/2008 11:20:42 PM

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"^^^I didn't say the QB should be faster than the defense, retard, I said the QB should be able to outrun the slowest defensive players (i.e. the defensive lineman) at least some of the time otherwise they are just going to get sacked constantly like Evans does...obviously the QB is not going to be faster than the linebackers or DBs...good job on the reading comprehension"

1. That's where me stating that most DTs run sub 5.0s and DEs running 4.6s and 4.7s come into play...there are not many QBs that run sub 4.6 and it really has nothing to do with them being a good or even quality QB

2. Evans can outrun the slowest players on the defensive side of the ball, thanks for watching games.

8/20/2008 11:36:26 PM

also remember that when a defensive end, lets pretend he runs a 5.0 40, is running at the qb nearly unblocked is moving at full speed... of course the qb isnt going to be able to fully get away from said DE because he has to accelerate first... unless your last name is vick you arnt going to be able to get away from the d line consistently

8/20/2008 11:39:47 PM

bottom line: daniel evans is not an acc qb.

he has one throw in his arsenal.

8/20/2008 11:44:12 PM

yes and using that same logic, a QB only has to take 2-3 steps in a direction perpindicular to the oncoming path of the D line men within the pocket to avoid the pressure.

8/20/2008 11:46:22 PM

this is true unless said lineman is coming at the qb from the side... a lot harder to see the guy coming... also bottom line is Evans should be able at this point in his career to spot a huge fuckin guy (brian mahoney voice in boondock saints) coming right at him regardless of the angle

8/20/2008 11:50:28 PM

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"Evans can outrun the slowest players on the defensive side of the ball, thanks for watching games."

ahahahahahahahaha, that's a good one

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"That's where me stating that most DTs run sub 5.0s and DEs running 4.6s and 4.7s come into play"

Evans who is obviously not a speedster is listed on scout.com as running a 4.7 40...and he's probably the slowest starting QB in the conference so keep making up bullshit stats and see where it gets you

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 12:04 AM. Reason : .]

8/20/2008 11:55:33 PM

if Evans is our starter at Williams-Brice, who wants my tickets? I'll pay you to take them.

8/21/2008 2:32:58 AM

i'd take a plea bargain right now to lose by a touchdown just to avoid the possibility of getting embarrased with the ENTIRE country watching. This is the one game everybody in the country will watch.

8/21/2008 2:42:52 AM

Quote :

"Quote : "Evans can outrun the slowest players on the defensive side of the ball, thanks for watching games." ahahahahahahahaha, that's a good one Quote : "That's where me stating that most DTs run sub 5.0s and DEs running 4.6s and 4.7s come into play" Evans who is obviously not a speedster is listed on scout.com as running a 4.7 40...and he's probably the slowest starting QB in the conference so keep making up bullshit stats and see where it gets you "

Lol, you point out that Evans runs a 4.7 40 (you obviously had a pretty easy time finding that)...but you still think he can't outrun the slowest player on the defense? Be serious.

You obviously aren't one of our young bright NC State engineers but a few guys explained the simple "physics" involved in a QB "outrunning" a def. player of any stature. Which brings us back to point number one, you don't have a clue. If your QB is having to outrun defensive players then maybe you need to look at upgrading the rest of the team before worrying about a QB upgrade?

8/21/2008 4:15:14 AM

I don't understand this philosophy:
"That's fine he is red-shirted. We are already picked to finish last so let's just wait until next year when maybe everyone is better and then he can play"

If everyone thought that way, there would be no point to go to the game. Might as well not even play, just start preparing for next year.

TOB and his staff want to win. The fans want to win. Put the player on the field that gives you the best chance to win NOW. You can believe that is what the coaching staff are doing. Obviously Glennon was not the best man on the field for this year. TOB already stated that he had not adjusted as fast as he would have liked.

Who's to say Glennon will even start next year? They will go through the spring and fall and will be competing for the position again. Likewise, in another year or 2 we will have new QB recruits who may even be competing for the position.
That's why a lot of guys transfer. Remember when Burke came in, everyone was gungho about him starting and that he was AWESOME. Now he is transferring b/c it just didn't work out.

8/21/2008 6:33:09 AM

Way To Go, Matt Sims!!!

http://deadspin.com/5039648/what-could-he-have-possibly-done-wrong

Suspended for four games. It was down to us and Louisville for this kid. I guess he chose right.

8/21/2008 7:26:06 AM

7 - Daniel Evans






Position: Quarterback
Class: Redshirt Grad Student
Height: 6-2
Weight: 200
Hometown: Raleigh, N.C. (Broughton)

In 2007: The Wolfpack's starting quarterback to open and close the season, he lost his spot for four games and then started the last seven ... Underwent shoulder surgery in December and may missed all of spring workouts ... Passed for 2,030 yards in 2007, the 14th-best single-season mark in school history ... His 194 completions rank seventh, while his 339 attempts ties for seventh ... Completed .572 of his passes as a junior, the 12th-best mark ever for a Wolfpack QB in a season - his .553 career mark ranks ninth ... Threw for a then-career high 335 yards on a 29-44 passing performance in the win at East Carolina, he also threw three TD passes to tie his career high ... Broke that yardage mark with 347 yards against Virginia and again threw three TDs, that yardage total was the 20th-best in NC State history ... The ECU performance marked the most completions and the most passing yards in a single game by an NC State quarterback since Philip Rivers against Kansas in the 2003 Tangerine Bowl ... Scored his first career rushing touchdown in the overtime win at Miami... His career efficiency mark of 107.39 ranks 15th in school history ... Has thrown 17 touchdown passes for his career, that mark is tied for 12th in school history ... Passed his father, Johnny, in career completions versus Clemson - he now ranks fifth in school history with 357, fifth in attempts with 646 and seventh in yards with 3,873 ... Came off the bench late in the fourth quarter and led the Wolfpack down the field on a six play, 80-yard scoring drive at Boston College ... Graduated with a degree in business in December, he is enrolled in graduate courses.

In 2006: Posted the 15th-best single season passing total in school history with 1,843 yards, even though he was the starter in just nine of the 12 games ... His 163 completions ranked 13th on the single season list, 15th on the career chart ... Attempted 307 passes in 2006, the 11th-best mark in school history ... Started the last nine games of the season, his first start, against Boston College, was his most dramatic ... Drove the team down the field, 72 yards in just five plays, for the winning touchdown - a 34-yard throw to John Dunlap with just eight seconds remaining in the game ... Ranked eighth in the ACC with 153.6 passing yards per game ... Averaged 192.9 yards of total offense against league competition, the third-best mark in the ACC ... Also held on placekicks ... Threw for a season-high 270 yards against Georgia Tech, his 53 attempts in that contests ranked seventh in school history ... Threw for three touchdowns in the win over Florida State.

In 2005: Backup quarterback ... Saw action in two games, he did not attempt a pass.

In 2004: Redshirted the season at quarterback.

Prep: Completed 272 of 473 passes for 3,796 yards and 37 TDs as a senior, including five games with over 300 passing yards ... Led Broughton High to an 11-2 record in 2003 and its second straight conference championship ... Also rushed for 301 yards with five scores in his senior season ... 2003 CAP 6 Conference Player of the Year ... Second-team all-state and three-time all-conference selection ... Chosen to the 2003 East/West All-Star Game ... Ranks second in state history with 757 career completions and 1,330 attempts ... Third in state history with 9,899 passing yards and 104 touchdowns ... Punted 47 times for an average of 38.3 yards, with 12 inside the 20-yard line ... Team went 29-9 and won two conference championships in his three years ... Dad, Johnny, played quarterback and was an All-American punter at NC State from 1974-77, he currently provides color analysis for the Wolfpack Radio Network ... A quadruplet, he has a twin brother, Andrew, a wide receiver for the Pack, and twin sisters, Katherine and Quinn ... A business management major ... Born 9/9/85.

8/21/2008 10:17:55 AM

7 - Sterling Lucas





Position: Linebacker
Class: Freshman
Height: 6-2
Weight: 220
Hometown: Orangeburg, SC (Wilkinson)

Prep: Team captain and team MVP for coach Reggie Kennedy at Orangeburg Wilkinson Senior HS ... Tallied 161 tackles and five sacks during his senior campaign ... Rivals.com ranks him as a three-star recruit, the No. 20 inside linebacker in the nation ... They also ranked him as the No. 13 player in South Carolina ... Ranked a three-star prospect and the No. 23 middle linebacker in the nation by Scout.com ... Played in the Shrine Bowl where he came away with defensive MVP honors after recording eight tackles, one tackle for loss, a fumble recorver and an interception ... Named all-state, all-region and all-area after his senior season ... Earned Coca Cola Touchdown Club Player of the Week honors ... Named to the High School Sports Report all-state team.

Quote :

"Who’s in the lead for his services? That was another popular question Saturday. The University of South Carolina and Clemson haven’t offered yet, but one reporter suggested they might. "So, Sterling, did you grow up a Gamecock fan?" he said with a smile. Lucas looked at the man and answered back with a slight smile of his own. "Not really," he said. "I’m not really a Gamecock fan. I’m a football fan.""

http://www.thetandd.com/articles/2007/12/15/sports/prep/doc4764a794cba02413587845.txt

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:22 AM. Reason : .]

8/21/2008 10:22:05 AM

Quote :

"you point out that Evans runs a 4.7 40 (you obviously had a pretty easy time finding that)...but you still think he can't outrun the slowest player on the defense?"

he obviously can't, thats part of the reason he took 22 sacks last season (the other part is the shoddy O Line)

Quote :

"a few guys explained the simple "physics" involved in a QB "outrunning" a def. player of any stature"

It's not like he has to beat them in a 40 yard dash man, you can move in more than one direction on the football field

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"If your QB is having to outrun defensive players then maybe you need to look at upgrading the rest of the team before worrying about a QB upgrade?"

Even the best offensive line will break down occasionally and the QB has to make smart decisions (throwing the ball away or scrambling) instead of just taking sacks all the time or throwing pick 6s. Certainly our O-Line play needs to improve, but you can't just put all the responsibility for shitty Quarterbacking on the Offensive Line, the QB bears some responsibility

8/21/2008 10:42:53 AM

this conversation is retarded

evans isn't horrifically slow in a foot race, he just doesn't have the vision find receivers while running full tilt

the drunk sorority girls at the top of section 15 could see that

8/21/2008 10:56:02 AM

Evans is garbage... and dont give me that "you dont know any better than TOB" bullshit otherwise theres no point in talking about sports if you cant second guess players/coaches decisions. They do make mistakes sometimes you know? I am sure the coaches/GMs who drafted Ryan Leaf, Brian Bosworth, and Tony Mandarich and let Brett Favre leave Atlanta and the college coaches that didnt recruit Jerry Rice, Brian Westbrook etc "knew better than you" as well.

In my opinion Evans is pure shit

8/21/2008 11:03:47 AM