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"I personally thought the Cersei / Littlefinger scene was one of the weaker ones of the episode. Completely out of character for Littlefinger, but they kind of altered his character that way last season already so I didn't worry about it too much. Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things anyway."

Exactly. At no point does little finger ever allow himself to be at the mercy of anyone. He is to clever for that.

It diminishes his character greatly.

4/2/2012 10:22:29 PM

The problem with this kind of episode is that it was all dialogue, and the only character/actor with interesting dialogue is the dwarf. Everyone else is unremarkable.

So, we had an hour of mostly generic characters telling us what was happening rather than showing us what was happening. This seems like a common problem with TV shows based on voluminous literature. The director doesn't have a free hand to visually tell a story well because they are trying to stick to the books.

I almost loled at how bad the wolf CG was.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2012 10:28:47 PM

I forgot some of what happened last season and I wasn't going to spend hours researching, cancelled hbo because of the first episode.

4/2/2012 10:39:35 PM

you had hbo only for game of thrones?

4/2/2012 10:55:20 PM

had it for last season's True Blood and Life and Times of Tim. right now, there is nothing else on HBO except for Eastbound & Down.

I'll get HBO again when TB starts up again, and I'll watch Game of Thrones all in one weekend so I can fast forward through the boring shit.

4/2/2012 11:02:38 PM

Getting HBO for True Blood and cancelling it after 1 episode of Game of Thrones is deserving of a credibility watch thread.

4/2/2012 11:10:12 PM

^wife forces me to get HBO for True Blood... the same reason I'm forced to get showtime for Shameless...

like i said earlier, i'll watch game of thrones season 2 over a weekend. it's just that i had extremely high hopes for episode 1.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 11:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2012 11:14:09 PM

what could have happened to match your high hopes?

4/2/2012 11:25:02 PM

yeah, people always bitch about early in the season episodes of serialized shows being slow. They're laying a groundwork for the awesome shit to come.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 11:28 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2012 11:26:10 PM

I'm sorry, I didn't realize trolls had wives.

4/2/2012 11:26:50 PM

Except for battlestar galactica

4/2/2012 11:27:05 PM

^^so stating an opinion is considered trolling? i guess it is for sensitive bitches.

^^^^i was expecting a fierce winter, giant dragons, bloody, bloody war and more all in the first damn episode.

like i said, i'll end up watching the show.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 11:56 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2012 11:54:24 PM

saying you dont like a show isnt trolling

saying that you cancelled hbo b/c you didnt like the first episode of the 2nd season of a show you like is trolling

but tell us more about things your wife makes you do

4/3/2012 12:00:01 AM

jesus this thread got infected with stupid.

Getting HBO for TB because your wife made you just means you are an idiot and you also married an idiot.

4/3/2012 12:03:07 AM

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"saying that you cancelled hbo b/c you didnt like the first episode of the 2nd season of a show you like is trolling"

4/3/2012 12:17:41 AM

4/3/2012 1:03:30 AM

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"i was expecting a fierce winter, giant dragons, bloody, bloody war and more all in the first damn episode."

okay, definitely trolling

4/3/2012 7:47:03 AM

i want to see this crossover

4/3/2012 7:54:52 AM

oh man, that'd be a bitchin crossover.

4/3/2012 8:06:32 AM

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"I almost loled at how bad the wolf CG was"

Honestly for a tv show, I was more than satisfied with the quality.

4/3/2012 8:17:07 AM

i read that the wolves were filmed behind a green screen,enlarged, then implanted into the scene. i'll have to watch it again, but i remember thinking the wolves looked good, but looked out of place.

4/3/2012 8:40:05 AM

I guess I understand cancelling after the slow start of season 2. I mean, I cancelled my HBO subscription after the first episode of the Wire...way to much dialogue.

4/3/2012 9:11:27 AM

I thought the wolf looked fantastic. Great first episode. I will watch again (per usual) to make sure I didn't miss anything in dialogue. Love this series...never read the books, but I do have the first that I will eventually get in to. Bastard killing and the implication of killing the infant was a little much for me emotionally, but that's just me. And more Joffrey bitch slapping please.

4/3/2012 9:31:58 AM

I highly suggest watching it on HBOGO with the interactive stuff on. Its cool stuff with short videos explaining parts of the episode along with maps and descriptions of characters you may not be able to quite follow.

4/3/2012 10:07:24 AM

Can someone explain to me why they went around killing all of the children? I haven't read the books and sometimes these storylines are hard to follow.

4/3/2012 10:43:48 AM

They want to get rid of any heirs to Robert's throne, because Joffrey/Tommen/Myrcella were all born out of incest between Cercei and Jamie Lannister and therefore can't be heirs to the throne.

4/3/2012 10:55:16 AM

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"I guess I understand cancelling after the slow start of season 2. I mean, I cancelled my HBO subscription after the first episode of the Wire...way to much dialogue."

bahahaha.

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"I thought the wolf looked fantastic. Great first episode."

Agreed. I thought they were real and enlarged as well. Looked pretty good just for CGI.

4/3/2012 11:01:03 AM

One thing that struck me odd was when Stannis' Maester took a sip of the poisoned wine. In the books, doesn't he drink it after Melisandre drinks it (and sees that nothing happened to her?)

4/3/2012 11:30:48 AM

yes

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"Cressen prepares a crystal that he plans to put in Melisandre’s drink, but then oversleeps. He enters the Great Hall to find Stannis and his bannermen at the feast table. Cressen is mocked by Melisandre and Patchface because he tripped, but is given a seat by Ser Davos. Davos tells the maester that Melisandre has seen victory in her flames, but Cressen tells the red woman that her god holds no power here. Cressen then proposes a toast. Melisandre drinks and remains unaffected. She then invites Cressen to drink as well. The ruby at Melisandre’s throat glows, and she tells Cressen that R’hllor does have power here. Maester Cressen drinks and dies immediately. "

In the show it almost seemed sacrificial. Not sure why they made the change.

[Edited on April 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM. Reason : ]

4/3/2012 11:46:04 AM

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"Exactly. At no point does little finger ever allow himself to be at the mercy of anyone. He is to clever for that. It diminishes his character greatly."

I disagree. Littlefinger's whole life he has been bullied physically. Its part of what drives him. Ned has him in a chokehold last season outside the brothel. Ned's older brother beat him up back in the day.

The Queen is another bully.

4/3/2012 11:55:42 AM

Whats the story on why she wasn't affected by the poison?

4/3/2012 11:56:44 AM

^^ To me, the problem with it was that book-Petyr is extremely subtle and non-confrontational from what I remember, very similar to Varys almost.

^ That's part of the story sort of so I won't get into too much detail. I'm planning to re-watch the episode tomorrow with a friend who missed it and I plan to look for something when I do. I was really hoping there was a visual clue with the ruby glowing but for some reason I don't remember that happening. Does anyone else remember? Did they show it or just skip that entirely?

[Edited on April 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ]

4/3/2012 11:58:44 AM

A ruby on her neck?

I thought that was something in her throat but I'm obviously a GoT n00b

[Edited on April 3, 2012 at 12:16 PM. Reason : yeah I saw something glowing. I must have not been paying close enough attention]

4/3/2012 12:09:07 PM

the ruby in her necklace glowed after she drank the poison.

4/3/2012 12:12:15 PM

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"I highly suggest watching it on HBOGO with the interactive stuff on. Its cool stuff with short videos explaining parts of the episode along with maps and descriptions of characters you may not be able to quite follow."

That's cool. I always watch using hbogo now, but never have used the interactive features. I'll give it a shot when I watch it for the second time.

And more on the wolves....not only were the wolves fantastic, but I was thinking why in the heck didn't Alan Ball do that with the wolves in True Blood.

4/3/2012 12:29:51 PM

Second episode is solid. Ghost definitely looks better. Really interested to see where they go with the Craster storyline, whether they start delving into book 3 or remain on book 2.

4/3/2012 12:47:31 PM

^Ghost was in the episode? Grey Wind definitely was but I don't recall seeing Ghost.

4/3/2012 12:57:20 PM

2nd episode. Not first.

4/3/2012 1:04:15 PM

Coulda swore it was the first episode that aired on Sunday

4/3/2012 1:07:19 PM

Right, but the 2nd episode was available on HBO Go.

4/3/2012 1:10:22 PM

Don't spoil anything dbags18

4/3/2012 1:54:13 PM

episode 2 leaked last night from HBOgo. So get ready for the torrent faggs to come in here and ruin it.

4/3/2012 6:13:05 PM

All I commented on was Ghost appearing.

Not like I ruined the fact that Bran starts walking again this episode.

4/3/2012 6:35:38 PM

Bran?

4/3/2012 7:05:36 PM

Bran?

4/3/2012 8:33:29 PM

Here's a spoiler: unattractive boobies

4/3/2012 10:03:23 PM

i looked back and the ruby KINDA glowed at the very end of the scene way after she drank and as she was glowering

[Edited on April 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM. Reason : but barely]

4/3/2012 11:13:15 PM

it was clearly glowing and she says the fire burns away the poison or something to that effect.

she is a dragon and she burned away the poison.

4/3/2012 11:13:55 PM

she says "the night is dark and full of terror but the fire burns them all away" and then at the very end the ruby flashes red for a second or two, it def wasnt obvious

4/3/2012 11:21:22 PM

the glow?

it was extremely obvious. I wasn't even looking at the thing and i could tell they were drawing attention to it.

4/3/2012 11:36:27 PM