No way, drag this shit out, watch em squirm. The NCAA can only find more wrongdoing the longer this goes on. I doubt any of the players being looked at are going to see the field before they're cleared.

8/30/2010 11:16:35 AM

^Meh...I've just been reading a lot over on IC and it seems that players are starting to get cleared. Although it's all "rumors" and "sources"...I just get the uneasy feeling that it's not going to be as bad as it seems.

8/30/2010 11:21:08 AM

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"How severe will the ramifications end up being?"

pun intended?

8/30/2010 11:22:15 AM

i don't think one "source" on IC has been correct, including IC itself. don't buy into the bullshit.

8/30/2010 11:22:36 AM

I have to believe that UNC would be putting out press releases as fast as they could if some players were cleared, they are getting their name drug through the mud in a lot of news outlets and the fastest way to stop the bleeding would be to release good news.

8/30/2010 11:23:01 AM

I side with Ernie. Drag this thing out, let the commentators speculate about it ad nauseam during the LSU game, and let the Carolina Way be revealed for the farce that it is.

Also, put the burden of who plays and who sits on Butch. Let's see how much integrity he actually has. The ruling will come down soon enough.

Of course, if it came out tomorrow that a handful of players are suspended or kicked off the team, I wouldn't be heartbroken.

8/30/2010 11:25:07 AM

there was never anyone directly implicated during the press conference, so i would imagine the only press release will be for those who are suspended (i'm sure there will at least be a couple), and then the others will be cleared indirectly by playing against lsu

8/30/2010 11:25:17 AM

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"BOYCOTT DA SCHOOOOO"

8/30/2010 11:25:47 AM

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"^Meh...I've just been reading a lot over on IC and it seems that players are starting to get cleared. Although it's all "rumors" and "sources"...I just get the uneasy feeling that it's not going to be as bad as it seems."

Being a casual browser of IC myself, there's not a single post there that lends that board any shred of credibility. Not sure why you would believe anything written by a bunch of 45 year-old Pitt Community grads. I'm sure their inside sources are their Rams Club bosses.

8/30/2010 11:28:05 AM

bear in mind you're reading the free board. premium is much more informative, although it has its share of bs as well

8/30/2010 11:29:47 AM

Actually, I take the side of the athlete and think the NCAA needs to go ahead and rule. I think if they start an investigation involving a player that still has eligibility during the off season they need to have a decision made by the first game. You fuck over the student and the program if you've got a kid not playing who ends up being cleared.

As for the cheating scandal, I don't care how long it takes but if they cheated, if UNC wants any dignity left, they would treat them like any other student and follow protocol.

As a side note, someone called into Taylor's show this morning claiming to have inside sources saying you shouldn't see more than 4 miss the first game. He didn't sound very credible.

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2010 11:30:15 AM

There's also nothing solid that says people have definitely been suspended either.

Until anything is definite, I tend to lean to the side with less punishment, because that's just how it usually goes for UNC.

8/30/2010 11:31:21 AM

If we believed Ic's "sources" a month ago, we would still be thinking Marvin wasn't even in Miami.

8/30/2010 11:36:32 AM

The press conference is just Butch's weekly PC, nothing is gonna be announced. TOB does the same thing on Tuesdays.

8/30/2010 11:36:59 AM

haha just took a look at IC

The fact that a thread started with this post

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"Have heard that several starters have been cleared in the academic scandal. Anyone have any details? Sounds like this whole thing may have been WAY overblown."

...no details, no sources, no nothing... turned into a four page back-patting circle jerk should tell you everything you need to know about Scout boards.

8/30/2010 12:11:55 PM

Just an fyi. A lot of those "anonymous sources" are right here.

8/30/2010 12:33:14 PM

I like how they keep trying to say this has been overblown. No way the chancellor allows that kinda bad publicity without merit.

8/30/2010 1:06:38 PM

But see, it sounds like doing all this homework for the players would almost be a full-time job for the tutor, and that's where it all falls apart. If she's depending on football players for income, what money would she have to live off of during basketball season?



*fingers crossed*

8/30/2010 1:34:01 PM

yeah, cause football players arent in class during the spring semester or summer

8/30/2010 1:55:55 PM

TWW is broken

8/30/2010 1:55:55 PM

Taken from a Mandel cnnsi.com article...love it:

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"Ultimately, though, the violations in the Wisconsin case -- athletes were receiving unadvertised discounts at a booster's apparel store -- pale in comparison to the allegations of illicit contact with agents and academic fraud being uncovered at UNC. Throw in the fact that the tutor in question once worked at coach Butch Davis' home, and that assistant coach John Blake has been connected to one of the agents under investigation (Gary Wichard), and an institutional control crisis emerges that could have implications well beyond the 2010 season. Look at it this way: The NCAA threw the book at USC based in large part on a three-minute phone call and a photograph that suggested running backs coach Todd McNair should have known about Reggie Bush's arrangements. Imagine how it might respond to a crooked tutor who worked under the head coach's roof. The school's one potential saving grace is that it uncovered the tutor case itself in the course of interviewing players regarding the agent sting. Unlike USC, it was proactive with its compliance. Still, I wouldn't expect the NCAA to show much sympathy when it comes to any academic violations. Bobby Bowden never did get back those 14 wins ... Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/08/29/oregon-state/1.html#ixzz0y7sabONV "

8/30/2010 2:15:27 PM

Old read but good. These IC forums are just grasping at straws. Get ready for the atomic bomb boys.

http://www.fanblogs.com/florida_state/008059.php

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"The NCAA has announced its ruling in the FSU Tutor-gate scandal -- and its a big one. Saying that "academic fraud is among the most egregious of NCAA violations", the NCAA put FSU on probation, reduced scholarships, and will force the school to vacate wins in 10 sports. In addition to FSU's self-imposed penalties - which included suspending all 61 implicated players in ten sports for 25 percent of their seasons - the NCAA has ruled that Florida State must vacate any regular-season or post-season win in any sport for the 2006 and 2007 seasons in which an implicated athlete competed. The ruling means that FSU will likely vacate football victories in both the 2006 and 2007 seasons. It is not immediately clear how many games will have to be vacated. If FSU does vacate football wins, the NCAA ruling outlines that Bobby Bowden's win total will also be reduced accordingly, creating what could be an insurmountable gap between Bowden's win total and Joe Paterno's all-time wins record of 383. FSU will also be placed on four-year probation, but will not be barred from television or post-season appearances. In addition to FSU's self-imposed scholarship reductions (2 in the 2008 season and 3 this season), the NCAA imposed one additional scholarship penalty for the 2010 season - a total of six scholarships lost in football. The NCAA found that the two main factors that led to the academic scandal where a lack of a structured environment in which the online music exams were administered and loose supervision of the academic support department, particularly in oversight of both the paid and volunteer staff. For those that don't recall, FSU found and self-reported academic tutor violations to the NCAA in 2007. Andrew Carter of The Orlando Sentinel has some great background on the case, including the complete timeline of the investigation. In September 2008, the NCAA completed its review of FSU's case, ruling that no additional infractions had occurred beyond those self-reported by Florida State and that the Seminoles did not knowingly allow ineligible athletes to participate; however, the NCAA did not return its penalty findings to the Seminoles until today. The ACC will review the findings and may elect to add additional penalties. FSU will have 15 days in which to appeal the ruling. "

Not only is agent/player bad, this tutor could be worse.

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 2:20 PM. Reason : s]

8/30/2010 2:18:34 PM

I just hope they nail the basketball team as well.

8/30/2010 2:24:10 PM

8/30/2010 2:53:40 PM

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"You're the man, coach. We are VERY lucky and proud to have you. They don't have agent scandals at State b/c their bowl ineligible players are terrible, and they don't have academic problems in the SEC b/c they don't have tests. Life is a little tougher when you expect excellence on both fronts, but I trust Carolina people applying the Carolina way to get it right."

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"While it is great to support our coach and the program, can we PLEASE stop tossing slurs at other programs? The past month has proven that we are in fact no different and our brand of "excellence" is no different, if not worse than most. While it might make you feel better about continuing to bash other programs it only makes us look foolish. "

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"Your post is pretty lame, Krafty. UNC is much better than those schools, which is why they are rejoicing at this latest turn of events. One black eye does not ruin over 200+ years of doing things the right way. Furthermore, the fact that the University is turning over every rock for wrong doing EXEMPLIFIES our commitment to excellence."

I really hope that some of these comments are you guys... Because the level of self righteousness over there is just... appalling














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hahahaha, getting help on your paper is a slippery slope. If you're going to use MS word, might as well just have someone else write it for you:

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"As a former UNC tutor, she should have known as well as anyone where the lines are drawn in terms of what you can and can't do, so what the OP is saying could be true. But how many kids get help on term papers from someone else -- especially in terms of proofing or grammar. Heck, MS Word will correct that ish for you. Isn't that getting "help", too? I mean, just how far can you take these things until EVERYONE is guilty of something?"

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

8/30/2010 4:07:32 PM

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"" Life is a little tougher when you expect excellence on both fronts, but I trust Carolina people applying the Carolina way to get it right.""

"Carolina people" are the ones who cheated. If the "carolina way" existed, this wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.

8/30/2010 4:26:02 PM

^^That MS Word comment is just precious

8/30/2010 4:38:52 PM

on a semi-related note... I was leaving Carrboro last night and ended up in some 54 1-lane crap. I tried to merge and this obnoxious Lexus wouldn't let me in (the car behind him did). Then the guy leap frogs through the line using the closed off lanes. The morons in line just let him do it. We get to I-40 and end up next to him (through his retarded display of holier than though mentality he ended up getting passed by us anyways). Gave him the cold head shake, birdies, and a few sarcastic claps. Boy did I show him.

8/30/2010 4:43:51 PM

What's funny is this shit has been going on for a while and it happens everywhere athlete or not. I was just talking to someone who went to UNC in the 90's and knew of athletes getting "help" from tutors.

8/30/2010 4:44:46 PM

The "Carolina Way" is apparently to cheat and cover it up. And if a former student of the "Carolina Way" (LT) strays then he never was a "real" tarheel.

Like the old Kobe ad, hate me because I'm great. No, we hate you because you raped a girl cheated.

8/30/2010 4:44:54 PM

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

8/30/2010 4:59:31 PM

i have an older sister who went to unc (graduated in '96), so when this thing broke i gave her crap about it. she was actually not surprised at all, and relayed the following story about the final exam in an afr-am history class she took as a junior (a large lecture class with many football players in it):

she said that the final exam was an in-class essay. when you got to the exam room, the proctors gave everyone the essay question, then told the students a specific page to turn to in their blue book to begin writing the essay. idea being that it's harder to find out the essay question beforehand and then pre-write the essay if you don't know 1) the question, or 2) the page to start writing on. well, she said that when they told them the page number to start writing, the girl next to her turned to that page and already had a fully written essay. said the girl straight up got up after 30 minutes of sitting there and turned it in (along with many others). story was that all the football players in the class were told the question ahead of time and allowed to "write" the essay outside of class - and of course they then told all their girlfriends that were in the class as well. good times.

other story she shared was from her best friend who was a student TA for a class that stackhouse and wallace were in. said she graded their midterms - stackhouse was pretty rough, but passable, and got a C-. Wallace was awful and hardly coherent. said she gave him a failing grade because, well, it was pretty freaking awful. well, the next week she found out that wallace was allowed to re-take the exam, alone, in the professor's office. and the professor graded it. additionally, even though she was assigned to grading the second half of the alphabet for all assignments, the rest of the semester both stackhouse and wallace's assignments were NOT in her pile.

these stories and her reaction show 2 things - 1) that this type of stuff has been going on there a LONG time (albeit obviously unc isn't the only school with these questionable tactics), and 2) students and grads of unc aren't all ok with it and think it stinks (e.g. the pompous IC posters who are making excuses and acting like this isn't a big deal don't necessarily represent the thoughts of all unc grads and students)

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 5:04 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2010 5:02:37 PM

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"students and grads of unc aren't all ok with it and think it stinks "

At least she did the right thing

Waiting 14 years and spilling the beans to her little brother

Give her a fuckin medal

8/30/2010 5:34:27 PM

spooner you should make up a fake Scout account and go onto IC and mention that story, but make sure you don't mention that you went to State. In fact if you make a pro-UNC username the better. I don't doubt that what you say went on, as I've heard somewhat similar stories from some Carolina grads that I go to med school with. If those pompous asses can't handle the truth that there school cheats just like many others then there is no hope for them.

8/30/2010 5:39:14 PM

because obviously no unc fans read this site

8/30/2010 5:41:14 PM

Well it's what you and one other guy Stingray? The UNC grads that I know are pretty pissed about it, but not surprised. One of them told me today in class that he thought Butch Davis should be let go, b/c even if he didn't know about it, the fact that it happened on his watch doesn't make it appear like he has a good hold on the program.

8/30/2010 5:51:14 PM

I know of a closet UNC fan who posts on here but I shall not oust him

I'm gonna take the Vontae Davis approach and not the Kentwan Balmer approach

8/30/2010 6:09:26 PM

^^ that guy is a ratard then. the coaches are purposefully removed from the academic side of things, and i don't see how he could've done anything about the agent stuff. butch is known for running a tight ship, so beyond stressing the importance of not acting a fool, i'm not really sure what he could've done. now obviously if it comes to light that he was knowledgeable of this stuff, then yeah he has to go, but firing him just because it "doesn't look good" is stupid and overkill.

and not to belabor the point, but this shit goes on everywhere, so i'm not sure what coach could do a better job if the ncaa came calling

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 6:11 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2010 6:10:48 PM

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"butch is known for running a tight ship"

has it not been revealed that that perception is very far off base? Do you not think The U was cheating from 84-88 when he was the d-line coach?

i look at butch "cleaning up" miami in a similar way to kiffin "cleaning up" USC...even though he was an assistant there while all the cheating was going on

8/30/2010 6:13:33 PM

i didn't realize d-line coach and head coach were synonymous

and obviously you're a state fan, so you'll automatically assume the worst about anything unc related. not that i blame you necessarily, but i wouldn't be a unc fan if i didn't occasionally defend my alma mater

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 6:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2010 6:15:22 PM

yeah, and I'm sure Kiffin was 100% ignorant to USC cheating since he wasn't the head coach

I just think the whole "Davis cleaned up Miami" thing is a little bit of revisionist history, since he was there as an assistant for 4 years while some of the cheating was allegedly going on

hypothetically, when this is all said and done, if there is a coaching staff overhaul, new Head Coach X will be remembered in the future as the guy who cleaned up Butch Davis' mess...not the guy who cleaned up John Blake's mess

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 6:23 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2010 6:16:38 PM

regardless, unless there is definitive proof butch was involved, it would be completely asinine to can him

8/30/2010 6:21:39 PM

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"that guy is a ratard then."

FAIL

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"and not to belabor the point, but this shit goes on everywhere, so i'm not sure what coach could do a better job if the ncaa came calling "

maybe it's been belabored IC, but we all rejected it pretty much immediately.

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"i didn't realize d-line coach and head coach were synonymous"

You're grasping at straws.

8/30/2010 6:24:45 PM

There are a lot of unc grads who think Butch should get canned because of this. I think people underestimate how embarassing it is to have your alma mater get called out for cheating (especially academic fraud). I mean, sure, people there were excited about this upcoming football season, but not enough to put up with damaging the school's reputation. Personally, I think if this were their basketball program people would probably be much less inclined to can roy williams, but most of my friends are pretty adamant that this whole thing should end with Butch being let go. If this were to happen to us, I would DEFINITELY be calling for TOB's head. Instantly.

That being said - there's a difference between how a unc graduate, with a vested interest in the academic integrity of the school, views this situation vs. the wal-mart fans who could give two shits about the school's academic reputation. Not sure which bucket the unc fans who frequent these boards are in.

8/30/2010 7:04:36 PM

My dad has always told me about the late 70's carolina teams bc my aunt date one of the running backs (don't know the name). Said the guy would come off the field with his helmet off and people would just put cash right in the helmet. College athletics have always been a money game and not many people deny that. The comedy now is that the very people that denied it at their program are the ones screaming double standard now.

8/30/2010 7:47:51 PM

^^^ ever seen the hangover? everything else i'm just wasting my breath on

8/30/2010 8:28:35 PM

The "Butch cleaned up Miami" thing is ridiculous. I could've cleaned up Miami. Keep 2 Live Crew and the boosters off the sidelines and out of the locker room and you've done 90% of the work.

8/30/2010 8:34:11 PM

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"Austin..Little..Brown..Burney...done for the season...All others involved 1 to 4 games suspensions.. Take it FWIW, it is being told to me as I type this post...I will publicly apoligize if the info is incorrect. This is straight from a connected UNC friend who has above average knowledge about his alma mater."

ehhh we will see if this is true or not I suppose.

I doubt its true since we JUST found out at the academics part of it.
I dont think the NCAA takes lightly to academic misconduct.

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 9:04 PM. Reason : c]

8/30/2010 8:57:51 PM

^ That is about what I thought we'd see in terms of player suspensions. Wonder if the guy on PP is right though. Didn't mention a thing about Blake.

8/30/2010 8:59:12 PM

Stingray the head coach is like the CEO of the football program. There have been plenty of good CEOs that have resigned or been fired simply due to people under them making mistakes. Yeah even if the CEO doesn't know of the wrongdoings it happened on his watch, and he is therefore responsible for the mess. It's obviously not the fairest thing in the world to have to pay for others mistakes, but part of being a good CEO is character judgment and bringing in people that won't make mistakes, especially those of the ethical kind. That's why a number of UNC grads that I know want him fired.

8/30/2010 9:08:55 PM