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Zimmerman wouldn't have had the balls to get out of his vehicle if he hadn't had the gun on him. According to me, he loses his self-defense argument right there. But of course it can't be argued in court.

3/26/2012 11:14:29 PM

That's true.

It seems like Florida's gun laws are written to require less responsibility on the part of Fl gun owners, not more, which is a mistake.

3/26/2012 11:15:42 PM

Ah shit, the mother is trying to cash in! Is it to late to switch sides.

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" The mother of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin has filed papers seeking to trademark two slogans based on his name. "

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/26/trayvon-martins-mom-files-trademark-papers/#ixzz1qHdVeho3

3/26/2012 11:16:54 PM

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"Zimmerman wouldn't have had the balls to get out of his vehicle if he hadn't had the gun on him. According to me, he loses his self-defense argument right there. But of course it can't be argued in court."

haha, ethics aside, for some reason I find your argument very compelling.

3/26/2012 11:20:22 PM

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"Zimmerman wouldn't have had the balls to get out of his vehicle if he hadn't had the gun on him. According to me, he loses his self-defense argument right there. But of course it can't be argued in court."

Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter in the end because it is irrelevant.

3/26/2012 11:23:25 PM

^^^ Because that totally changes the circumstances of the murder?

Other people are attempting to exploit his name for profit. She is trying to get that money to use for a foundation in his name.

But hey, Black people are terrible, right guys?

[Edited on March 26, 2012 at 11:47 PM. Reason : ]

3/26/2012 11:46:53 PM

whoa

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/a-furious-lawrence-odonnell-interrogates-empty-chair-after-george-zimmermans-lawyer-canceled/

3/26/2012 11:48:16 PM

^^ It was a joke, lighten up.

[Edited on March 26, 2012 at 11:54 PM. Reason : And I did not say anything about anyone being terrible except for zimmerboy]

3/26/2012 11:53:30 PM

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"Zimmerman wouldn't have had the balls to get out of his vehicle if he hadn't had the gun on him. According to me, he loses his self-defense argument right there. But of course it can't be argued in court."

Actually, the more I think about this the more it sort of makes sense. Think about it this way, what if instead of a gun it was a predator drone?

Not only a weaponized predator drone, but a stealth predator drone? And the only reason he felt confident to go out there was the he knew the drone would protect him if he felt threatened? Not ONLY that, but he feels that he can talk trash all he wants because why would he care if it escalated?

Not ONLY that, but instead of just one kid, there's an entire gang of kids who he knew that he (of course) wouldn't have any chance against. He can talk trash, try to detain them for the cops, and if he doesn't throw the first punch, he has no risk to himself. He knows that his hidden predator drone will come save his dumb ass when they come after him. Why would he care if his drone kills them? It would be in self-defense.

3/27/2012 12:02:08 AM

And that man was President Barack Hussein Obama.

3/27/2012 12:27:54 AM

odonnell finally meets his match!

3/27/2012 5:58:02 AM

The Zimmerman camp is saying that Trayvon went for the gun.



Is this fight between Trayvon and Zimmerman making less and less sense to anyone else?

Like, when was the gun branished? If before the fight, Trayvon would have to have been insane to go for the gun then.

If Trayvon discovered the gun while fighting, he must have been super-negro to be able to use 1 arm of a 160lbs frame (lanky as fuck) to subdue Zimmerman, beat him, AND slam his head into the ground. Then use his other arm/hand to reach behind Zimmerman to get his gun....presumably while zimmerman is on his back (assuming that zimmerman kept his gun back there in his waistband as written in police report).

3/27/2012 7:13:50 AM

^

If there is anyone in the case who would lie, it is Zimmerman. Guilty or not, isn't there enough evidence to ARREST him? All we need is an arrest.

3/27/2012 8:28:55 AM

This guy is also 6'0 and 160lbs:

[lanky as fuck]

3/27/2012 9:37:10 AM

I do not think there is an honor code for self appointed community watch captains that would preclude them from lying.

3/27/2012 9:37:27 AM

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"The Zimmerman camp is saying that Trayvon went for the gun. Is this fight between Trayvon and Zimmerman making less and less sense to anyone else? "

I think it's plausible that TM jumped GZ at some point and I could see how control of the gun could become an issue in a scuffle. Even with the weight difference and whatnot.

I don't think that , even if that's the case, it does much to validate GZ's claim of self-defense.

3/27/2012 9:45:42 AM

Zimmerman's attorney is saying that "he can't eat, and he cried for three days after the murder, he is obviously remorseful"

damn

i would be too if i got caught for murdering an unarmed kid.

3/27/2012 9:50:54 AM

Not really related to this case or investigation, but a new orleans police officer has been suspended without pay for posting online "ACT LIKE A THUG, DIE LIKE A THUG" under a news article for the Trayvon Martin story.

3/27/2012 9:52:24 AM

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"has been suspended without pay"

yet zimmerman walks free

3/27/2012 9:54:32 AM

Lol in New Orleans I'm surprised he didn't a get a promotion and a "Hurricane Katrina Medal of Valor"

3/27/2012 10:13:45 AM

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"yet zimmerman walks free"

you gonna put that on a tshirt?

3/27/2012 10:30:11 AM

lol @ this thread being 33 pages

i thought a police officer shot this guy, then i realized it was some random dude

who gives a fuck

3/27/2012 11:52:50 AM

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"But hey, Black people are terrible, right guys?"

God, why do you keep saying inflammatory shit like this? you're so racist it makes me sick

3/27/2012 11:56:41 AM

it's at pretty unique/interesting situation, you should read up on it.

evlbuxmbettys short version:

basically some guy (George Zimmerman) who had a hard-on for the neighborhood watch was 'watching' from his car with a gun and called the police on a suspicious looking BLACK MALE WEARING A HOODIE (Trayvon Martin). Police advised Zimmerman to not follow the man and stay put as they were on their way.

Instead, Zimmerman followed Martin who eventually started running (advised by his girlfriend who he was on the phone with) from Zimmerman (at this point still in his car).

Zimmerman stepped out of the car, a physical altercation happened (still working out the details) and Martin ended up on top of Zimmerman, punching him and banging his head on the pavement.

Zimmerman shot Martin in the stomach and Martin died.

3/27/2012 12:00:42 PM

georges st pierre is 6ft and 170 and lanky, you can still be strong as shit

weights and shit arent the point because anyone can take anyone out the point is who escalated what to the point where someone would fear for their life and have to fight or run

people are placing too much emphasis on races, criminal/disciplinary history,and the "tale of the tape" on both sides of the argument it dilutes what actually may or may not have transpired at that moment between the two parties

3/27/2012 12:03:38 PM

are we seriously comparing Trayvon to Georges St. Pierre?

i am embarrassed for t-dub

3/27/2012 12:06:01 PM

a 170 pound tall lanky guy compard to a 170 pound tall lanky guy

yea i am, how about some of these young basketball players comin outta highschool, sorry if you cant see the point of that comparison


im not saying anything but trayvon could damn well have been beating his ass especially if hes nice with his hands or whatever

it matters that (imo) george started the confrontation and to the people that say "o but trayvon was beating is head in" and the other side saying "but hes a 170 pound kid! thats impossible)

bullshit its entirely possible, and it was in trayvons right to do so potentially to protect his own life

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM. Reason : u]

3/27/2012 12:09:04 PM

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"God, why do you keep saying inflammatory shit like this? you're so racist it makes me sick"

Yep.

3/27/2012 12:09:22 PM

Georges St. Pierre is one of the best MMA fighters in the world. Trayvon Martin WAS just a 170lb lanky kid.

theres a BFD [Big Fucking Difference]

I am with you though in saying that yeah, a 170lb lanky kid could do some damage to a 240lb (is that what they're calling it?) guy. No doubt.

I also agree that Martin had every right to bash Zimmermans head in the ground. You better believe if some strange dude was following me in his car, esp after I had started running, I'd be scratching his fucking eyeballs out if he got out of the car and tried to confront me.

3/27/2012 12:22:08 PM

i dont understand driving/walking TOWARDS the person that put you in fear for your life.

3/27/2012 12:27:37 PM

are you gonna run away from someone with a gun thats up on you? i feel thats kinda dumb but we dont know how it went down, sometimes people make the wrong decision i doubt trayvon knew enough about the neighborhood to go run and hide somewhere

you may walk closer to the person to improve communication, let them see your face and expressions to show you arent a threat and so they can read your lips as you talk do avoid any misunderstanding

^^thats all im sayin, its a little extreme but you get the gist





[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM. Reason : d]

3/27/2012 12:28:21 PM

The comment I made about his size has been completely lost in translation.

3/27/2012 12:31:58 PM

"hey, i know i was following you in my car and i'm carrying a gun, but i'm not a threat"

maybe Trayvon didn't know he had a gun until the altercation started and they were already in it and he decided to reach for it. i would have tried to get the gun away from the guy i was fighting with too.

on the other hand, if trayvon knew zimmerman had a gun before hands were laid upon eachother, idk why the fight even started.

in another scenario, i can see zimmerman approaching trayvon, showing trayvon the gun in an attempt to tell trayvon 'don't do anything rash' and trayvon being like 'fuck that' and trying to get the gun away from him.

none of the scenarios change my mind that zimmerman deserves some sort of punishment. he directly disobeyed police orders ignored the dispatchers suggestion to not follow trayvon. he got out of his car (his 'safe zone'). he confronted trayvon. i mean this dude killed a kid when he really didn't have to.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM. Reason : for DD]

3/27/2012 12:40:32 PM

itt people confuse "things you probably shouldn't do" with "things that are illegal"

3/27/2012 12:44:56 PM

unfortunately in this situation, the 'thing you shouldnt do' didn't end up in the do-ers death, it ended up in someone elses. so what now?

3/27/2012 12:47:55 PM

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"The comment I made about his size has been completely lost in translation."

IOW you were wrong.

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"I'd be scratching his fucking eyeballs out if he got out of the car and tried to confront me."

So tuff.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM. Reason : *]

3/27/2012 12:48:45 PM

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"unfortunately in this situation, the 'thing you shouldnt do' didn't end up in the do-ers death, it ended up in someone elses. so what now?"

if no laws were broken? nothing

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM. Reason : change the laws]

3/27/2012 12:51:14 PM

no laws were broken?

how about assault for starters

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM. Reason : h]

3/27/2012 12:55:11 PM

i have no idea exactly what happened, but it's amazing the number of people that think they do. i'm not going to say one way or the other. but:

disobeying a dispatcher is not a crime. (people say he disobeyed police. he didn't.)

approaching the kid was not a crime, and neither was having the gun when he approached him.

3/27/2012 12:58:43 PM

thats what makes this case so interesting.

my understanding of the law is limited to NC bicycle laws and the fact that marijuana is still illegal in most states

however, there must be something about directly disobeying police orders dispatchers suggestions which results in an unarmed persons death.

Trayvon also didn't break any laws. So does he die in vain? What is this country gonna learn from this? What kind of example does it set that Zimmerman escalated this situation by stalking Trayvon until he felt the need to defend himself with his hands and ended up dead? Trayvon didn't have a gun, does that mean that 'Stand Your Ground' doesn't apply to him?

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM. Reason : for DD]

3/27/2012 12:58:44 PM

approaching the kid could be a crime depending on how he approached

3/27/2012 12:59:15 PM

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"no laws were broken? how about assault for starters "

I don't think the cops have released all the information. On top of that news outlets are slanting the story to make it fit a certain category. God sure fell for it. People have bits and pieces, really just enough to make the story fit whatever preconceived notion they have.

3/27/2012 12:59:42 PM

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"how about assault for starters"

sure. tell me what you know about the assault.

3/27/2012 1:00:28 PM

yea but its plausible that laws could very well have been broken depending on statement police have received that we dont know about

^youre saying flat out that approaching the kid is not a crime when it damn well could be

if you approach someone in a threatening manner it can be assault

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM. Reason : d]

3/27/2012 1:00:38 PM

why do you think the dispatcher said "we don't need you to [follow him] do that"

because he knew that this kind of shit had the potential to go down

so scratch the 'directly disobeying police orders' thing.

Zimmerman was still in the wrong by following Trayvon in his car. And stupid as fuck to get out of his car.

You're right, there probably aren't any laws for being DUMB AS FUCK.

3/27/2012 1:01:21 PM

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"Police advised Zimmerman to not follow the man"

hey evlbuxmbetty lets stop perpetuating the myth that the Police answer the call when you dial 911

3/27/2012 1:03:59 PM

please read the comment directly above your last post DoubleDown

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 1:05 PM. Reason : and just for you, I'll edit my previous posts so as not to perpetuate the wrong facts]

3/27/2012 1:04:52 PM

The bottom line is this, if Zimmerman jumped first and shot that young man because he was being all John Wayne then yes I hope he gets life in prison. If they find out that Trayvon jumped the guy as he was walking back to his SUV then no, Trayvon was at fault and Zimmerman should go free or maybe only be charged with manslaughter.

What troubles me the most is that people want "justice" without due process and without a trial. They've made up their minds without ever knowing but a few bits of the story. Let the police do their jobs.

The Duke lax case should be a valuable lesson in not judging, wait and see what facts come to light. People were ready to lynch those guys and they had done anything but make some lousy choices.



[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM. Reason : Too easy and I'm not that mean]

3/27/2012 1:06:08 PM

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"hey evlbuxmbetty lets stop perpetuating the myth that the Police answer the call when you dial 911 "

seriously...Jesus Christ

3/27/2012 1:08:05 PM

I think most people are caliing for an arrest, not execution. This would be part of the due process.



I think that there is a general lack of trust in the police to do their jobs.

3/27/2012 1:09:50 PM