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"Seriously or are you just dumb?"

he didn't. Then again most coaches in America, including some with multiple NCAA titles haven't ever done that either.

It means jack shit unless we actually sign them... and win.

[Edited on October 21, 2008 at 11:40 AM. Reason : x]

10/21/2008 11:39:38 AM

It means jack shit unless we actually sign them... and win.

10/21/2008 12:28:03 PM

also don't know if this has been mentioned but we're on the list for the number 1 prospect class of 2011

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?SID=910&Year=2011&ra_key=2288

10/21/2008 1:07:37 PM

Sid is getting to these kids early, hopefully it will pay serious dividends

10/21/2008 1:36:19 PM

^^^I disagree. Sure it doesnt' mean we'll be good or anything, but it certainly is good press to have these guys actually consider us and take officials here. Other recruits and future recruits see this, analyst, AAU coaches, etc. all see this and it increases our reputation in the basketball field.

It's not the be-all end-all to get good kids to come visit and have you as a top choice, but it certainly is good publicity for the future.

That's just like saying that since we sucked with Hickson that we just shouldn't have signed him. Not only did he make our team better, he also helped our program tremendously. You're building a program, an image, etc.

Long-term, having the top two recruits in the nation consider us and take visits DOES matter.

[Edited on October 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM. Reason : ]

10/21/2008 2:42:01 PM

say what you want about hickson, but if we land favors it will because of what we did with hickson and where he ended up. we'll actually have the supporting cast for a player like that this time around and i think the results would be much better.

10/21/2008 2:54:22 PM

I can't find team rankings for basketball recruting past 2008 on either scout or rivals. Anyone have a link or is this info even available yet? Sorry for n00bing up the place

10/21/2008 3:03:12 PM

I'll noob it up too. I thought we didn't have 2 scholarships left for 2009? meaning we could only choose favors or wall.

10/21/2008 3:21:09 PM

^^don't have the link, but UCLA pulled in 5 recruits good enough to start at any D1 team

10/21/2008 3:24:21 PM

^^ that doesn't really matter. We can find the scholarships somehow. In fact, not only could we take both Favors and Wall, but Sid could even free up another ship to take another big man in addition to Wall and Favors.

Not sure what the math on it is, but it is probably assuming Costner leaves after this year and we lose another body to a transfer or some such.

10/21/2008 3:26:57 PM

message_search.aspx?type=posts§ion=2&searchstring=scholarships+&username=&usertype=match&sortby=date&sortorder=descending&page=

look it up instead of rehashing questions that have been discussed 3245903278453947 times

10/21/2008 3:31:21 PM

Oh here's the Scout link for 2008....http://collegebasketball.scout.com/a.z?s=196&p=9&cfg=bb&c=14&yr=2008

They don't have 2009, probably because it doesn't really matter yet...

10/21/2008 3:31:25 PM

fuck, I forgot that Kansas had 4 5-star recruits back in 2005

who the hell was Micah Downs though?

10/21/2008 3:52:39 PM

He transferred to Gonzaga, lack of PT or something

10/21/2008 4:00:59 PM

^ Yeah I lived in kansas when they got that recruiting class with Downs in it. He was one of those recruits that was just plain over-rated. He was not good enough to steal PT at Kansas and from what I remember, his attitude did not fit with Bill Self.

10/21/2008 4:54:35 PM

What kind of weight does an NC State offer in basketball hold?

10/21/2008 5:38:32 PM

It's a school with a shit-ton of history and basketball tradition, a passionate fanbase and great facilities that plays in the epicenter of college basketball, the ACC and tobacco road. We should be able to recruit with the best of em.

10/21/2008 5:51:17 PM

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"I can't find team rankings for basketball recruting past 2008 on either scout or rivals. Anyone have a link or is this info even available yet? Sorry for n00bing up the place "

I don't know if Scout or Rivals have done their team rankings for 2009 yet, but ESPN ranks our 2009 class as #6 right now (without Wall or Favors):
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3555426

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"Coach Sidney Lowe has again landed recruits from the talent-rich state of Georgia; among them are two ESPNU 100 players. Lorenzo Brown (Roswell, Ga./ Centennial), No. 48, can play both backcourt positions, and 6-8 PF Richard Howell (Marietta, Ga./ Wheeler), rated No. 58, will join him in North Carolina. Howell played on the same travel team as N.C. State's freshman standout of last year, J. J. Hickson, who was drafted by the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers. Howell has the potential to make an impact comparable to that of Hickson for the Wolfpack next year. Coach Lowe also has a commitment from one of the nation's best perimeter shooters, potential ESPNU 100 prospect 6-5 2G Scott Wood (Marion, Ind.). Although the Wolfpack now have players for all three of their available scholarships, they are still involved in talks with No. 81, 6-5 G/F Garrius Adams (Apex, N.C./ Middle Creek). "

10/21/2008 5:56:01 PM

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=843390

Rivals' Top Ten for 2011, includes info on LaQuinton Ross, who they consider the top player in 2011. He has an offer from us and his mom was seen wearing a NC State shirt at one of his games.

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"There are three prospects that currently stand above the rest in the Class of 2011. Shooting guard LaQuinton Ross is a natural scorer at 6 feet 8 in the mold of present NBA stars Tracy McGrady and Kevin Durant. Anthony Wroten Jr. is a physically-dominant combo guard who conjures up thoughts of Dwayne Wade. And then Mike Gilchrist, who is young for his class and plays with an aggressive motor, could develop into a versatile Josh Howard-type player. All three of these prospects could potentially be the No. 1 prospect in the class of 2011, but it is Ross who sits at the top spot in the initial Rivals.com Top Ten for the Class of 2011. 1. LaQuinton Ross, SG, Jackson (Miss.) Callaway Not many players come along with Ross' length and skill set. At 6 feet 8, Ross is a great scorer with his ability to shoot from deep as well as slash to the basket. Capable of getting his shot off at will, Ross also has a great feel for passing. He is improving as a defender and rebounder as he continues to develop physically."

10/21/2008 6:00:41 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=6459474

didn't see this interview posted anywhere. its of wall & favors at the practice saturday.

[Edited on October 21, 2008 at 6:02 PM. Reason : ]

10/21/2008 6:01:44 PM

Well it was already posted here, but I guess it needs to be in this thread too.
message_topic.aspx?topic=544442&page=4

10/21/2008 6:15:05 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/1262613.html

Wall visits Pack
Atlanta's Favors also in attendance

John Wall, the top-ranked high school senior basketball player in the country, according to rivals.com, enjoyed spending time with Derrick Favors, scout.com's the top-ranked player, at N.C. State's opening practice this weekend.

Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, attended the Wolfpack's first practice and spent time with the 6-9 Favors. The South Atlanta High senior was on his official visit to State.

Wall and Favors know each other from playing in the Boost Mobile Elite 24 all-star game in New York this summer.

"He is a great player," Wall said. "I asked if he was serious about State, and he said he was. He said he was having a good visit."

Wall doesn't plan any more official recruiting visits until after he takes the SAT on Nov. 1 and is considering dropping Kansas, the only school where he has officially visited.

Wall said Sunday that Miami was pushing for a visit and that he was not sure he'd keep Kansas on his list after it took a commitment from 6-foot-2 Elijah Johnson of Las Vegas.

"I'm not sure where I am with Kansas right now," he said.

Wall is considering N.C. State, Oregon, Baylor and Memphis, along with possibly either Miami or Kansas.

Wall said he still planned to take his official visits, but his first priority was taking the SAT and preparing for Word of God's season. The early signing period begins Nov. 12, but he said he will not commit until he is sure of his decision.

His mother recently was hospitalized and is scheduled for surgery near the end of this month.

Wall said his mother's health was a concern.

"You only have one mother," Wall said. "Her health will be a factor in my decision, but not the biggest factor.

"She always stresses for me to make the best decision for me."

10/21/2008 7:27:52 PM

Quote :

"What kind of weight does an NC State offer in basketball hold?"

I'd like to come back to this subject. How could we grade it? Perhaps a quantitative method with different categories. See I know an offer from us isn't exactly like getting an offer from UCLA or Kentucky, but it's got to be better than Clemson or Penn State, right?

10/21/2008 11:06:46 PM

C.J. Fair committed to Syracuse over the weekend. They were his only offer so far according to Scout. We had been in contact with Fair (to complete the C.J. trifecta and break the Jimmy V curse ) and I think he had unofficially visited us before, perhaps during an AAU tournament or something. Fair is rated the #12 PF and #48 overall by Scout, and the #11 PF and #45 overall by Rivals for the 2010 class. Syracuse already has a commitment by 5* SG Dion Waiters in the 2010 class.

10/21/2008 11:42:48 PM

How the fuck did Miami get into the Wall runnings?

Has he been to their arena? If he takes a visit there during a game, surely he would leave laughing.

10/22/2008 1:24:02 AM

just take him to calle ocho, lincoln road, washington ave, or ocean drive son

10/22/2008 1:45:55 AM

Miami doesn't really seem into it. Someone on PP said that one of the assistants told him that it was basically down to Memphis and State for Wall right now as those are his two leaders, and GT and State for Favors. Both though still have a couple more official visits to take which could sway them.

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 7:57 AM. Reason : ]

10/22/2008 7:56:56 AM

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"Wall is considering N.C. State, Oregon, Baylor and Memphis, along with possibly either Miami or Kansas."

this cant be right with Miami being listed unless its some JJ Hickson type shit. This is the first time i think i have seen anyone mention Miami at all in this race.

10/22/2008 10:08:43 AM

^^^ you've never even been to Miami.

10/22/2008 10:34:29 AM

So if we get Wall, does that mean I'll have to look at Worldwide Wes' mug every game?

10/22/2008 10:46:19 AM

dude, getting "in" w/ worldwide wes would be the awesome.

10/22/2008 10:49:08 AM

I am a HUGE fan of being placed on probation, which is what will ultimately happen if that guy hangs around your program for too long...

10/22/2008 10:52:14 AM

programs don't get put on probation anymore, didn't you see the article?

10/22/2008 11:03:11 AM

remind me who worldwide wes is plz.

10/22/2008 11:05:28 AM

he's this really influential, really mysterious figure in basketball.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_5735

10/22/2008 11:08:15 AM

Quote :

""What kind of weight does an NC State offer in basketball hold?" I'd like to come back to this subject. How could we grade it? Perhaps a quantitative method with different categories. See I know an offer from us isn't exactly like getting an offer from UCLA or Kentucky, but it's got to be better than Clemson or Penn State, right?"

Brass Monkey, I don't think you could come up with even a somewhat-definitive answer. There's too many variables as far as the offer. For instance, a #1 recruit could have a boyhood dream of playing for either UCLA, Stanford, or Vandy... He won't receive an offer from any of those schools if he has a sub-standard HS record or has bounced around diploma mills. Other schools like Memphis could not care less and they'll offer him.

Also, see OJ Mayo... Kid could have had an offer from anyone but he mysteriously chose USC on his own. Other coaches didn't want the baggage they thought could (and did) come with him, so they didn't "offer".

I think a lot of it comes down to team chemistry and on a lower level, academics and reputation. UCLA will be putting out lottery picks year after year and so will Memphis. I highly doubt Howland will actively recruit and offer the same kids that Calipari and others would. He could have had Mayo in a heartbeat I imagine... I would bet my life that Mayo or an acquaintance of Mayo's approached Howland and others before they approached SC.

10/22/2008 12:59:31 PM

Well I do know that someone asked O.J. Mayo why he didn't go to UCLA and rather went to USC, and he said something along the lines of making a name for himself. At UCLA he'd be just another All-American, but at USC he could be a really special player for them.

I think a NC State offer in basketball should carry a good amount of weight. We've got some of the most posh facilities in college basketball. We've got great fans. We've got history that is only exceeded by about 7 or so other schools, we've just got to get back to being relevant. We've got a ton of money as well. Based on past surveys we are the 4th most profitable basketball program out there behind Louisville, Kentucky, and UNC, which is somewhat due to us having smart business and money conserving tactics. We are tied with UCLA as the 13th most valuable program in college basketball according to Forbes. NC State's basketball program is worth $13.6 million. Our expenses are only $3.1 million, which is the lowest of any team Forbes list of the most valuable college basketball programs. Every year State's basketball program pulls in nearly $8 million. We have attendance that is always ranked in the top 20 nationally (could be top 10 if we had a good team). We should be a heavy hitter based on all of this.

And no one better bring up that recruits won't care or know about our history. Which is more impressive walking into the RBC Center and seeing all of those banners and jerseys of ACC legends hanging or walking into Littlejohn Coliseum and just seeing a couple banners here and there?

I know there are a lot of factors that go into a recruits decision, but I know that I along with many of you when looking at a prospect like to analyze their offer list.

10/22/2008 2:09:02 PM

Quote :

"^^^ you've never even been to Miami. "

nice try but i've lived there almost my whole life and will crush your feelings if you keep picking on me

10/22/2008 2:11:56 PM

Quote :

"Which is more impressive walking into the RBC Center and seeing all of those banners and jerseys of ACC legends hanging or walking into Littlejohn Coliseum and just seeing a couple banners here and there?"

not trying to argue with you, but someone's gotta do it

Quote :

"Which is more impressive walking into the Nose Dome and seeing all of those banners and jerseys of ACC legends hanging or walking into the RBC Center and just seeing a couple banners here and there between hockey flags?"

10/22/2008 2:14:52 PM

^ i agree w/ you wholly, i fucking hate sharing our arena w/ the hurricanse... BUT, we're not competing w/ unc on this one.

10/22/2008 2:25:25 PM

yeah i know, i was joking about that in the more general sense. I assumed he was also referring to the banners in a general sense, since he mentioned littlejohn, and clemson also isn't in the mix.

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 2:28 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/22/2008 2:27:48 PM

yeah you're right, i didn't even read the original context.

although really, we won't be competing w/ unc for a while, they're booked up for the next 10 years.

10/22/2008 2:30:07 PM

Quote :

"Well I do know that someone asked O.J. Mayo why he didn't go to UCLA and rather went to USC, and he said something along the lines of making a name for himself. At UCLA he'd be just another All-American, but at USC he could be a really special player for them."

Yeah, I have heard that countless times. Is it just coincidence that only a couple schools offered him and then scandal followed him around?

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"Guillory played an important role in recruiting Mayo to play college basketball at USC. USC coach Tim Floyd hadn't recruited Mayo until Guillory "walked into Floyd's office" and said Mayo wanted to attend USC; Mayo's interest was based on Los Angeles's position as a major media market, host of an NBA franchise (Los Angeles Lakers), and USC's lack of an "established tradition" in basketball. Floyd, aware of Guillory's role in the NCAA sanctions on Maddox and Trepagnier asked USC athletic department investigators to look for "irregularities in Guillory’s relationship with Mayo". None were found, according to Floyd"

Yes, it is perfectly normal for grown men with a past to hang out with 7th graders, travel to a shitty bball school, and give them a 5* player while not wanting a penny in return from anyone. Like I said before, I doubt USC was the first school Guillory visited.

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM. Reason : n]

10/22/2008 2:45:06 PM

but if you're not NC state, you can get away with anything...

10/22/2008 2:48:59 PM

I was just using Clemson as an example of a school that we should easily out recruit and out perform on a consistent basis. Of course our history isn't quite up to Carolina's, but really only a couple of other schools are (Duke, KU, UK, UCLA, and IU).

10/22/2008 2:55:36 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=6459474

nice video from saturday

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM. Reason : was posted in the other thread]

10/22/2008 3:14:51 PM

Jesus Christ gunzz, it's on the same page that you posted it on. You didn't even have to read more than the most current page to see that it's [OLD].

not to mention it's already posted in the thread covering this weekend specifically.

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM. Reason : No, it's posted on this page, the one you're reading now.]

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 3:29 PM. Reason : ]

10/22/2008 3:27:44 PM

lol.

i wasn't going to say anything.

10/22/2008 3:28:43 PM

Favors making a decision?

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/shared-blogs/ajc/cfbrecruit/entries/2008/10/28/basketball_is_d.html

10/28/2008 5:21:47 PM

Quote :

"Is South Atlanta’s Derrick Favors about to make his heavily anticipated decision between Georgia Tech and Georgia?"

How lovely....

10/28/2008 5:24:40 PM