yeah it sounds really fucking stupid considering how messed up the plane is

4/8/2010 2:10:01 PM

the reason daniel knew to reach out to desmond was b/c he overheard him talking to eloise under the tent... if you watch the episode again, they pan the camera behind a guy's head and i knew right away that it would be daniel and then sure enough he pops up like a gopher

4/8/2010 3:55:58 PM

yeah, everyone knew... i hope, that Charles and Eloise's son was Daniel. And they said in the episode that he was a pianist. And they showed the piano player from behind when Desmond got there. Even if you didn't know Daniel was their kid at this point, it's not hard to pick that guy out of a crowd (not that there was a crowd) - even with his back turned.

The fact that they even avoided showing his face until Desmond rolled down the window is retarded. Like rwoody suggested on the last page, they pander to the lowest denominator.

[Edited on April 8, 2010 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

4/8/2010 4:22:59 PM

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"i hope, that Charles and Eloise's son was Daniel."

This is already well-established, isn't it?

4/8/2010 4:50:08 PM

haha.. this thread is nothing but...

- "that episode sucked"
- proceed to talk about said episode for 6 days
- "can't wait for tonight's episode"
- "that episode sucked"
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you get the idea...

At least it's better than the one a few seasons back with the cloud of "i know more than you"

BTW.. explain this epilogue theory -- PM if you dont want to spoil

4/8/2010 5:51:23 PM

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"Crazy theory here.... Widmore's ultimate purpose on the island is to prevent blackie from leaving the island..... He needs Desmond to do something to get blackie into an electromagnetic field and KILL THAT BITCH!"

wait, that is a crazy theory? that was immediately the first thing that came to mind

4/8/2010 6:05:12 PM

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"This is already well-established, isn't it?"

right, that's what i was getting at. sometimes i write like i think i talk instead of with proper grammar and what not. i may be half retard or something.

"yeah. everyone knew... [long pause], I hope (as in I hope they knew), that charles and eloise's son was/is daniel"

[Edited on April 8, 2010 at 8:05 PM. Reason : .]

4/8/2010 8:03:18 PM

So was jacob watching the real world or the alt timeline?




I'm astraladvent and I approved this question

4/9/2010 12:09:35 PM

i think daniel is charles widmore and eloise's son.

4/9/2010 1:27:53 PM

i think you are right

4/9/2010 1:42:29 PM

I don't agree that this show "panders to the lowest denominator." It is notorious for being one of the most difficult shows on television to follow and for being a show which requires your full attention to understand what is going on. If they pandered to the lowest common denominator, they'd make it a lot easier to follow.

4/9/2010 2:00:17 PM

It does create a lot of suspense for suspense's sake - conflicts and drama that simply turn out to be unrealistic and/or unnecessary after they're resolved.

4/9/2010 2:40:45 PM

i don't think anyone is saying the show as a whole panders to idiots. But as ^ mentioned, there's a lot of suspense for the sake of suspense. Their choice in shots, camera angles, score, dialogue, etc. are all set up to create a "what's gonna happen/who's it gonna be" moment... and it's Widmore as desmond's boss and Daniel as their son. We already know from the other time-line that Daniel is their son. And i imagine a lot of people realized that "the boss" was widmore way before they finally showed him in the shot that panned around the entire office to finally fall on him. And all the "take me to the boss" talk before that.

I'd rather they not waste my/their time on such things and focus their energy elsewhere.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM. Reason : such]

4/9/2010 2:48:43 PM

That makes more sense to me.

4/9/2010 3:18:50 PM

^^Not just cinematography and dialoge, but plot points too.

For example: The whole "Lets have Dorgen trick Jack into killing Sayid" bit. That was unnecessary. Dorgen didn't have to mislead Jack about the poison pill, or Sayid. They didn't have to have that dumb heart-to-heart. Dorgen didn't have to treat the survivors like enemies and he didn't have to be vague and suspicious. All these things worked against him in the end, and they made no sense at all.

Suspense for suspense's sake. Drama for Drama's sake

Now, an example of justified suspense would be the way Rousseau treated Sayid when she first encountered him. She tied him to a metal frame and tortured him, but she had her reasons for doing it. She thought he was infected, or one of the Hostiles. She wasn't just torturing him because it created suspense.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 3:46:22 PM

I think Dorgen is the son of Jabob and Whidmore

4/9/2010 3:53:16 PM

good one!

4/9/2010 4:39:10 PM

^^ i did lol a little. But, i'm just want to point out that Whidmore doesn't sound that much different than Widmore when you say it. Dogen and Dorgen... ehh.

4/9/2010 4:48:01 PM

Nothing will ever beat when mambagrl introduced us to the character of 'Jobob'. That shit cracked me up. Still does.

4/9/2010 5:33:24 PM

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"Drama for Drama's sake"

like everything else with the media, its all about the $ - and the female audience demands drama

4/9/2010 6:02:04 PM

Otherwise it's just malfeasance for malfeasance's sake.

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

4/10/2010 1:20:12 PM

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"Nothing will ever beat when mambagrl introduced us to the character of 'Jobob'. That shit cracked me up. Still does."

speaking of mambagrl, where has she been lately?

4/10/2010 1:21:36 PM

i've made comments similar to them pandering to the least common denominator. my thoughts on this issues are mostly based on that the beat an issue to death until the point couldn't be driven any further...yet people still have questions about it.


i definitely wouldn't say it is one of the hardest shows to follow that requires your full attention. i love the show, but that just isn't the way i feel.

4/11/2010 7:56:50 PM

^ you are such a pompous ass. But I love you anyways.

NO HYPE FOR TONIGHT PEOPLE??!?!?! CMON NOW - WHERE MY THEORIES AT??

4/13/2010 5:37:47 PM

hurley episode

4/13/2010 6:08:44 PM

I'm interested to see smokey's reaction to desmond

4/13/2010 6:35:24 PM

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"i definitely wouldn't say it is one of the hardest shows to follow that requires your full attention."

It might not require your full attention, but you're almost guaranteed to get more out of it if you are devoting 100% of your attention to it. There are only a few shows that I make sure to put down the iPhone/laptop for. Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc. You know you're not going to miss much if you're playing Plants vs Zombies while watching Gossip Girl, or chatting with a friend when Survivor is on. The same can't always be said for Lost.

4/13/2010 6:41:22 PM

OH MY GAWWWWWDDDDDD

YESSSSSSSSS so happy Libby is back in Hurley's life

4/13/2010 9:11:39 PM

ahahaha, i saw that coming as soon as she started throwing water bottles in there, and i'm so happy it did

4/13/2010 9:13:31 PM

So how did this guy stay so fat for like 5 years stranded on an island?

4/13/2010 9:24:07 PM

LOST FUCKING SUCKS

god dammit

why do i keep watching everytime i watch i just get pissed of cause it sucks and i feel like i'm wasting my time

but i did not invest however many years of my life to quit now. UGH

4/13/2010 9:40:29 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


<3 this episode

4/13/2010 9:50:30 PM

hahahahaha awesome

4/13/2010 10:01:37 PM

OH GOD LOCKE NO

4/13/2010 10:02:21 PM

did anybody else notice they used the Willy Wonka boat part for the background music of the preview?

4/13/2010 10:03:15 PM

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"LOST FUCKING SUCKS god dammit why do i keep watching everytime i watch i just get pissed of cause it sucks and i feel like i'm wasting my time but i did not invest however many years of my life to quit now. UGH"

Did you even watch tonight's episode? 5 minutes in and it was already one of the best episodes of the season. Which isn't saying much, but still. Awesome episode from start to finish.

4/13/2010 10:03:22 PM

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"LOST FUCKING SUCKS god dammit why do i keep watching everytime i watch i just get pissed of cause it sucks and i feel like i'm wasting my time but i did not invest however many years of my life to quit now. UGH"

thanks for all your meaningful contributions to the discussions in this thread. no really, thanks. i think this post would've worked better as a thread in chit chat though. you should probably go back there.

4/13/2010 10:13:12 PM

So Hurley is the Ghost Whisperer?

4/13/2010 10:17:11 PM

So

Something I haven't seen brought up

Desmond's "See ya in another life, brother"

Excellent foreshadowing or what

4/13/2010 10:17:13 PM

So did they just do a crappy job of aging Marvin Candle or whatever his name is at the beginning, or is he perpetually youthful too? Cause he looked pretty much the same in 2004 as he did back in the 70s. At least to me.

4/13/2010 10:23:55 PM

that little kid is Jacob, right?

4/13/2010 10:31:53 PM

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"Excellent foreshadowing or what"

i mean, if you think they planned on doing the alternate timeline bit all the way back when they were writing season 2 then yeah.

and i think these last 2 episodes have done a lot to disprove the idea that the alternate timeline has always existed

4/13/2010 10:48:32 PM

^^This little kid had brown hair, previous little kid had blond hair. Whatever the significance of it is, who knows.

4/13/2010 10:53:17 PM

^^ I mean, yeah, it's almost definitely just creative writing to tie the alternate timeline back to season 2. I have no doubt that this wasn't planned out from the beginning

However

Someone posted this on LAGF

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"What do you think the chances are that when Desmond told Jack "I'll see you in another life, brother" was actually a look at this alternate reality? That it was his little "push" meeting with Jack like he had tonight with Hurley?"

That would be kind of cool

4/13/2010 11:17:08 PM

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"That would be kind of cool"

if you're referring to the scene where jack was running around in the stadium, that would've had to have happened around 2001 or so. remember, desmond was training for the race around the world to gain widmore's approval. penny even showed up that day asking desmond why he never called her and blah blah blah. bizarro desmond never knew about the other timeline's or penny's existence until 2004, so to me it seems impossible that that encounter could've been desmond's way of pushing jack.

4/13/2010 11:23:28 PM

Get your fuckin logic outta my face

4/13/2010 11:24:49 PM

I thought the last scene w/ Michael & Hurley felt incredibly forced to tie up the question of what the whispers were.

4/13/2010 11:25:44 PM

^I said the same thing, but, as someone else in my Lost group pointed out, at least questions are starting to be answered. Even if they are forced answers.

4/13/2010 11:33:18 PM

i kinda hope they say something else about the whispers before the show ends. just because it's the people who can't pass on or whatever doesn't explain why ben would've told rousseau, "if you hear whispers, run" or whatever back when he stole alex from her. there always seemed to be some element of danger surrounding the whispers rather than dead people talking shit or something.

4/13/2010 11:38:19 PM

wtf was the deal with the trailer for next week's episode? It had Gene Wilder's crazy monologue from the scary tunnel scene in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory playing. What the hell was that about?

4/14/2010 12:11:09 AM