What source is that quote from?

5/4/2016 9:11:16 PM

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/08/03/data-show-racial-disparity-in-crack-sentencing

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"According to U.S. Sentencing Commission figures,"

5/4/2016 9:15:12 PM

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"Although approximately two thirds of crack cocaine users are white or Hispanic, a large percentage of people convicted of possession of crack cocaine in federal courts in 1994 were black."

I mean, I know the powder cocaine laws are less stringent than the rock cocaine laws. But regarding the quote, approximately what percentage of crack cocaine dealers are white or Hispanic? I mean the golden era of hip hop leads me to believe that in 1994, regardless of racial profiling, it was the black folks who were pushing a lot of krills. Why is a cop gonna arrest some fiend if he can get a small time peddler?

[Edited on May 4, 2016 at 9:37 PM. Reason : .]

5/4/2016 9:37:06 PM

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"white privilege is all about having personal responsibility. thats the whole point of the thread. The luxury of the outcome of your life being based on personal responsibility"

so basing consequences with the actions I take in reality is a luxury? life is hard, harder for some than others but if you shoot yourself in the foot and do stupid shit then don't complain about how hard life is

5/4/2016 10:52:01 PM

^took you long enough

5/5/2016 12:08:27 AM

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"1. For the most part, because of segregation, black people are born into poverty at a disproportionate rate. This leads to poor education in the most important early years. Without good daycare, you are already behind in development. 2. Living in a poor area means you are dealing with environmental health risks such as lead in water and poor nutrition. These hinder development going forward 3. poor areas have poor schools because of the way our public school system feeds off of segregation. 4. 1-3 hinder your ability to obtain a quality education which is what allows people to make informed or as you may call, "good" choices. 5. Young adults with poor quality education make poor choices which leads to continued poverty and more children that grow up starting at 1. 6. if you overcome all odds and educate yourself, you are subject to higher probability of unfair treatment in hiring, housing, and society in general, pushing you more towards 5 7. If you break the law like most people, you are more likely to be caught because policing is more aggressive in these areas and you are also subject to longer sentences for the same crime. instead of being based on rehabilitation, the prison system is mostly built with the purpose of destroying black men."

Evidence and specifics are required for 6 and 7. The rest apply to poor people in general.

5/5/2016 12:47:41 AM

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"If you break the law like most people, you are more likely to be caught because policing is more aggressive in these areas and you are also subject to longer sentences for the same crime. instead of being based on rehabilitation, the prison system is mostly built with the purpose of destroying black men.""

#7 is unequivocally true up until the italicized last clause, which is utter bullshit. It's backed up by mountains of statistics and evidence.

It's not that, for example, marijuana use is higher amongst black men, it's that they get caught more because of more policing in black neighborhoods, aggressive stop and frisk policies, etc. As a result, more convictions, more in prison for petty drug crimes, etc.

The prison system is not designed to destroy black men though, that's just nonsense. Unquestionably we need to move towards a more rehabilitation based model and quit treating victimless crimes as crimes, address addiction with treatment as opposed to incarceration, etc.

5/5/2016 6:52:43 AM

^^we've already discussed specifics for those points.

5/5/2016 8:20:40 AM

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"Evidence and specifics are required for 6 and 7"

5/5/2016 9:00:17 AM

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"^took you long enough "

I haven't self identified as privileged so it would be bigoted for anyone to call me privileged.

5/5/2016 9:28:18 AM

^did you have two parents?

5/5/2016 3:17:33 PM

I think we can come to an agreement in the next few pages

5/5/2016 3:23:33 PM

evidence and specifics are required for the next few pages

[Edited on May 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM. Reason : ]

5/5/2016 3:25:42 PM

Just out of curiosity, what exactly would evidence look like here?

5/5/2016 5:29:11 PM

A link not from the liberal media or government sources or history books I assume.

5/5/2016 6:11:55 PM

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"The prison system is not designed to destroy black men though, that's just nonsense"

Intent doesn't matter. The design of the prison system destroys black men. If that was your intent, the U.S. prison system would be a good thing to come up with. We imprison more people than any other country in the world, disproportionate number of those are black even though only 5% of the world is american, and 12% of america is black, about 10% of all of the worlds prisoners are black and in america.

American Prisons don't offer dignity, college education, or adequate rehabilitation. They are setup to turn people into prisoners so they can come back. (68% reincarceration rate). Its really hard to only get something right 32% of the time.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/03/13/11351/the-top-10-most-startling-facts-about-people-of-color-and-criminal-justice-in-the-united-states/

Why is it that this only happens in one country?

5/5/2016 6:26:23 PM

5/5/2016 7:28:46 PM

#BLM really should be focused on ending war on drugs IMO

5/5/2016 8:42:16 PM

^^^ Yeah, I agree to some extent, but when you say it's "designed" to do something it implies intent, so if you're making that argument intent absolutely matters.

Yes, the prison system is hugely injurious to black people, but making the claim that it was designed to do that requires a lot of evidence that simply doesn't exist.

5/5/2016 10:05:42 PM

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"^did you have two parents?"

it all started when two people fell in love. after the kids were made, the man liked to beat the shit out of everyone in the family until the court ordered his addict ass to stay away and the mom supported her family by herself on a teacher's salary in NC. once the divorce attorney bought groceries for my family for thanksgiving and the saddest part of the whole story is the teacher's salary in NC. it's not even a sad story really though, we were blessed to part ways with the asshole, and my mom taught me how to work and provide for myself. if i'm privileged, it's because of the woman who raised me and not because my grandparents were white

5/6/2016 1:01:25 AM

5/6/2016 9:47:45 AM

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"can you just pretend like i took the time to reply and go ahead and post about why you're sure that's something they should be able to rise above because you personally have faced some kind of unrelated hardship that you were able to rise above? aaand go-> "

ahem, took you long enough.

5/6/2016 10:02:05 AM

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" Just out of curiosity, what exactly would evidence look like here?"

The overwhelming majority of "evidence" as posted ITT all suffers from the same problem:

"2. Point to disparity of outcome, and ignore all factors but race (and claim racism is the cause). "

On the rare occasions in which SJWs ITT have been brave enough to actually reference "evidence" from one of their progressive leftist "studies" they have all suffered from this deliberate oversight:

thegoodlife3's "black people more likely to get death penalty" example on page 20. Didn't account for heinousness of the crime, which is the determining factor.

Then it's mainly HuffingtonPost links from moron...

So many "specifics" and so much "evidence" wow! If there are actual studies hidden in the archives of this thread, I'm sure they all suffer from the same problem of conveniently ignoring a key factor to suggest it is purely a racial problem.

5/7/2016 6:54:36 PM

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"but when you say it's "designed" to do something it implies intent, so if you're making that argument intent absolutely matters. Yes, the prison system is hugely injurious to black people, but making the claim that it was designed to do that requires a lot of evidence that simply doesn't exist."

it "is designed" to do that is different from it "was designed" to do that. Systemic racism is about the system ending up with a design that is inherently racist regardless of the intentions of the creators or current operators of the system. If i wanted a prison system that destoryed black men, this is how i would design it. Until the design is edited to not do that then it is "designed to" do that.

5/7/2016 8:57:17 PM

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" The overwhelming majority of "evidence" as posted ITT all suffers from the same problem: "2. Point to disparity of outcome, and ignore all factors but race (and claim racism is the cause). " On the rare occasions in which SJWs ITT have been brave enough to actually reference "evidence" from one of their progressive leftist "studies" they have all suffered from this deliberate oversight: thegoodlife3's "black people more likely to get death penalty" example on page 20. Didn't account for heinousness of the crime, which is the determining factor. Then it's mainly HuffingtonPost links from moron... So many "specifics" and so much "evidence" wow! If there are actual studies hidden in the archives of this thread, I'm sure they all suffer from the same problem of conveniently ignoring a key factor to suggest it is purely a racial problem."

You did not answer the question. Answer it here and now before we move any further, and your post becomes a distraction. The question was NOT what you think about a user's point of view on TWW. The question was what exactly would evidence look like here to you?

5/7/2016 9:54:53 PM

[Edited on May 7, 2016 at 10:30 PM. Reason : .]

5/7/2016 10:27:11 PM

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" it all started when two people fell in love. after the kids were made, the man liked to beat the shit out of everyone in the family until the court ordered his addict ass to stay away and the mom supported her family by herself on a teacher's salary in NC. once the divorce attorney bought groceries for my family for thanksgiving and the saddest part of the whole story is the teacher's salary in NC. it's not even a sad story really though, we were blessed to part ways with the asshole, and my mom taught me how to work and provide for myself. if i'm privileged, it's because of the woman who raised me and not because my grandparents were white"

Insert black kid into that story instead of you, have you have a black kid who had a shitty start, then had to deal being black on top of everything else. But, people probably saw you and your mother out in the grocery store and didn't just assume your dad was in jail.

I agree with a lot in this thread, but I wish we could change the name from white privilege to majority privilege, because that's really what it is.

5/7/2016 10:27:45 PM

Well, if the majority is white, it is what it is...

5/8/2016 1:16:46 AM

It's both. I mean, racist attitudes have been and still are an issue.

But some people tend to completely overlook the fact that some disparity is just a matter of numbers.

For instance, homes in largely black neighborhoods will (and should) always be worth less than similar homes in largely white neighborhoods. There are less black people and therefore less demand for homes in black neighborhoods, and with less demand, we should expect those homes to be cheaper. Cheaper homes means less taxes are collected. And, since the population--of potential black voters--is smaller, it is easier for lawmakers to overlook the impact their decisions can have on black families.

And nobody has to be racist for any of that to happen.

It's why voting and integration were so important. But we're currently trying to make it harder to vote, and nobody seems to care about integration anymore.

5/8/2016 5:37:25 PM

Lol what

5/8/2016 5:49:09 PM

I know I say ridiculous stuff on occasion, but I'm pretty confident that^^ makes sense. What's lol about it?

5/8/2016 6:31:43 PM

it doesn't

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"For instance, homes in largely black neighborhoods will (and should) always be worth less than similar homes in largely white neighborhoods. There are less black people and therefore less demand for homes in black neighborhoods, and with less demand, we should expect those homes to be cheaper. Cheaper homes means less taxes are collected. And, since the population--of potential black voters--is smaller, it is easier for lawmakers to overlook the impact their decisions can have on black families. And nobody has to be racist for any of that to happen."

The notion that only black people can live in certain neighborhoods is a racist premise. If you won't consider buying a house because most of the people in the neighborhood are black, then you are either racist, or someone that acknowledges potential buyers of your home are racist. Either way, someone has to be racist.

[Edited on May 8, 2016 at 6:48 PM. Reason : someone has to be racist for there to even be "black neigborhoods" in the first place]

5/8/2016 6:47:11 PM

You are really, really dumb.

5/8/2016 7:09:03 PM

I 2nd the "lol what?"

5/8/2016 9:52:37 PM

Instead of putting together an argument, just resort to name calling. Anyone who doesn't agree is just really, really, really, really dumb.

5/8/2016 10:04:02 PM

I don't think she's saying that anyone should try to get black people together in neighborhoods. You tend to live around people who share similar backgrounds, values, outlooks, etc. If a house in a traditionally black neighborhood goes up for sale, more than likely, black people will look at buying it, as they will be buying around people who are more like them. Black folks aren't the majority in the country though, so there's already a lesser market. The lesser the market, the cheaper prices tend to be, as there's less demand.

I don't understand how that is a racist comment.

5/8/2016 10:54:52 PM

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"If you won't consider buying a house because most of the people in the neighborhood are black, then you are either racist, or someone that acknowledges potential buyers of your home are racist. Either way, someone has to be racist."

She was talking about real estate supply and demand which is apparently way over your head. Focus your SJWing on someone who's actually trying to keep the blacks down.

5/8/2016 11:46:43 PM

5/9/2016 12:55:35 AM

Yes what she is saying is true, but what I'm saying is that it is indeed racist. Just because you can use high school economics to explain a racist system, doesn't mean its not racist.

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" You tend to live around people who share similar backgrounds, values, outlooks, etc. "

The very idea that people who share similar skin tone share values and outlooks is fundamentally racist to begin with

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"black people will look at buying it, as they will be buying around people who are more like them"

again, the notion that people who share skin color are automatically similar is fundamentally racist.

There were/are many people who argued segregation wasn't racist and embraced the "separate but equal" ideology of "keeping similar people together".

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"Focus your SJWing on someone who's actually trying to keep the blacks down."

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"t I wish we could change the name from white privilege to majority privilege, because that's really what it is."

This is someone who is trying to deny that these issues are a direct result of white supremacy. To sand it down to "majority supremacy" would be historically inaccurate and offensive. The same mindset has watered down history classes taught in school, prolonged racism, and resulted in more people like JCE.

5/9/2016 1:21:14 AM

nah, you're just picking on Bridget and anyone else who acknowledges the real world

You can call systems racist. You can't call people who point out and accept the racism of systems, racists, just for acknowledging how things are. That makes you a big pussy, honestly.

[Edited on May 9, 2016 at 2:21 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2016 2:00:49 AM

^^LOL, I don't even know if what I'm saying is true. I mean, there is less demand for homes in black neighborhoods, but there's also less supply. Of course, the people who want to buy those homes on average have less money than white homebuyers. And the schools are often rated poorly, which also affects home values. I do believe that banks are less aggressive about maintaining and marketing foreclosed properties in black neighborhoods, which is bad.

But some of this is what it means to be in the minority--to have a smaller voice with shallower pockets. When there is a minority population, gerrymandering can help ensure their communities are represented, but it seems that some of y'all are looking for a kind of equality that isn't feasible, especially when we still live separately.

And, of course, we always have to acknowledge the legacy of slavery and segregation. Still, it's not a game to see who can get the most offended or point out the most racist stuff.


I dunno...so much of this exercise, as it's carried out in various spaces, seems like a perversion, and I'm not sure it's right. I'm not sure that "enlightening" white folks is the key. People know and care so little about everything, including the past, and I don't imagine we're going to have them saying things like, "My grandfather worked hard, but he benefited government-backed home loans that African-Americans couldn't access. That's not fair, and I want to make it right." And we definitely won't hear them say that in an economy that's slowly failing them, too.

5/9/2016 2:40:55 AM

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"idea that people who share similar skin tone share values and outlooks is fundamentally racist to begin with "

No, that's called sociology.

5/9/2016 7:57:05 AM

Progressives don't care about that, you racist.

5/9/2016 8:32:46 AM

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"idea that people who share similar skin tone share values and outlooks is fundamentally racist to begin with"

That is not a smart statement. Come on you can do better than that.

5/9/2016 8:47:29 AM

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"Of course, the people who want to buy those homes on average have less money than white homebuyers. And the schools are often rated poorly, which also affects home values. I do believe that banks are less aggressive about maintaining and marketing foreclosed properties in black neighborhoods, which is bad."

All of these are features of systemic racism in place today that was started by racist policies made by racist individuals. That is the issue with white privilege. White people who aren't racist attempting to sanitize the past and see today's society independent of any historical context.

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"But some of this is what it means to be in the minority--to have a smaller voice with shallower pockets. When there is a minority population, gerrymandering can help ensure their communities are represented, but it seems that some of y'all are looking for a kind of equality that isn't feasible, especially when we still live separately."

We aren' talking about a nationality, language, religion or political belief. We're talking about a minority group that shares victimhood of white supremacy as their common thread. And you are right on one thing. Equality is not feasible until people check their privilege.

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"People know and care so little about everything, including the past, and I don't imagine we're going to have them saying things like, "My grandfather worked hard, but he benefited government-backed home loans that African-Americans couldn't access. That's not fair, and I want to make it right." And we definitely won't hear them say that in an economy that's slowly failing them, too."

Its really hard for people to undo all of the propaganda they were taught in the first XX years of their life. If schools actually taught what happened, and didn't sanitize the past, people wouldn't feel the need have to have a disclaimer of "my grandfather worked hard" to acknowledge their true privilege.

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"No, that's called sociology."

Well no shit if you lock a group of people in a box they will develop commonalities based on the conditions of the box and the desire to get out of the box. Looking at those commonalities with disregard for their cause is perpetuating white supremacist agenda by omission.

5/9/2016 9:58:09 AM

it's just sociology

5/9/2016 10:48:33 AM

Private businesses should be allowed to discriminate on whatever grounds they want. Progressives will not be able to grasp this concept either.

5/9/2016 11:08:27 AM

^^ what in the holy balls does segregated bathrooms have to do with the tendency Of similar people to live in similar areas?

When you're deliberately obtuse you undermine your argument

5/9/2016 11:29:45 AM

what does the "L&N" on that sign mean?

5/9/2016 11:32:59 AM

Light-eyes and naggers sign people are secretly racist against both

5/9/2016 11:38:26 AM