And is that because the democrats have indoctrinated them? How?

Seems kinda weird to make hugely generalized statements about democrats indoctrinating kids based on what's happening with two families that you know.

I know quite a few families with early and middle-teens that go to public schools. I'm only aware of one kid that identifies as non-binary.

[Edited on November 7, 2024 at 2:59 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2024 2:50:13 PM

I’m seeing progressives say that Harris was not progressive enough. I’m also seeing moderates saying she ran too progressive. I feel like the phrase “confirming your priors” is overused but applies here.

11/7/2024 2:52:56 PM

^^ it's more just the accusation of bigotry when you ask questions like, should we let this 15 year old cut off her tits. Especially when the incentive for expensive medical intervention is high.


"When the data and anecdotes disagree the data is wrong"

-- Jeff Bezos

11/7/2024 3:03:47 PM

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"What does it say about Democrats that even those things aren't enough to remove him from consideration? It says that people think, as crazy as Trump and his ilk are, the Dems are just as crazy, if not worse."

.

That alone does not imply Democrats are to blame, as you seem to think. You could get the exact same results even if Democrats were literally perfect, and yet Republicans lied their asses off about what Democrats represent. Groups that are hated (including Democrats, believe it or not) are not necessarily to blame for being hated; everybody should know that at this point, really.

11/7/2024 3:06:04 PM

Yeah, that's really what I'm saying. It seems like a lot of the "accusations' in burro's post are just what right-wingers accuse democrats of, but a lot of it is just taking small instances and anecdotes and blowing them-up waay out of proportion, and often times just straight-up lying about the democrats position.

^^once again, how does that demonstrate that democrats are convincing kids to be trans?

[Edited on November 7, 2024 at 3:10 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2024 3:09:57 PM

Silence is violence. I'm not saying they are, but I've certainly never been called a bigot by a right wing person for saying we should need a lot more evidence before letting a doctor get a surgery fee for cutting off tits or that persons with cock and balls should not be allowed in locker rooms.

11/7/2024 3:23:04 PM

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"you’ve posted a Fox News viewers fever dream of the Democratic Party again"

You didn't disappoint your fans.

11/7/2024 3:24:02 PM

^^^^ which of these things, specifically, do you think are not happening?
Which do you think are not related to or advocated by Democrats, Progressives, or their proxies?
Which ones have been denounced entirely by those same people?

11/7/2024 3:35:16 PM

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" should we let this 15 year old cut off her tits. Especially when the incentive for expensive medical intervention is high."

pretty gross way to be talking about a minor

regardless, it has nothing to do with you, man

[Edited on November 7, 2024 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2024 4:36:47 PM

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trumps-unprecedented-and-powerful-mandate-is-a-lie.html

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"Absolutely remarkable fact that makes me feel a bit better: “Every single governing party in the developed world that has stood for reelection in 2024 has lost. This has never happened before in the 120 years of data [the Financial Times] has followed.”"

https://bsky.app/profile/kurtandersen.bsky.social/post/3laf3qe3sfr2g

but please, go on about whatever the worst people in the world are complaining about in regards to the left being too extreme

11/7/2024 4:59:02 PM

30 years ago, I think both sides of the house would have cautioned any young person from going down a path that could lead to irreversible changes to their body. Now, one side seems to think that’s fine, the other still says “let’s talk about this for a minute.”

And it’s the “let’s talk about this for a minute” that gets us called names.

It’s that blind acceptance that a child knows better, that has folks on the right scratching their heads. Is it just a more modern form of rebellion? More anecdotes - in my small town charter school, their 8th grade class has at least two kids that are in the process of transitioning. That’s not the 1 in 5 ratio mentioned earlier, but I bet there are more that just aren’t made public.

Regardless of that one issue - lots of things were repudiated by lots of people this week. I hope the Democrats can go back to the drawing board and learn from this experience. Come out with a solid candidate that folks in the middle can get behind.

I’m just happy that this is the last four years that Trump can run. Vance will be relegated to obscurity for just being in Trump’s sphere, and maybe the Republicans will get a sensible candidate for 2028 as well.

11/7/2024 5:02:47 PM

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"Now, one side seems to think that’s fine, the other still says “let’s talk about this for a minute.”"

Exactly what I've been talking about. This is a huge over-simplification of what each side is saying, and quite frankly inaccurate. Generally speaking, democrats are not yelling "Sure, do irreversible damage to yourselves, it's totally cool kids!! And anybody that says that you should think about it some more it a bigot!!" That's how the right-wing media has framed it, but it ain't the truth.

11/7/2024 5:21:57 PM

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"Eight years ago North Carolina pushed an anti-trans bathroom bill and it was a national outrage and disgrace, this refrain that Democrats have "moved too far left on trans issues" is witless nonsense, it was a coalition of far-right ideologues and bigoted liberals that did the moving!"

https://bsky.app/profile/tomscocca.bsky.social/post/3laf7m4tccm2j

11/7/2024 5:37:26 PM

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"30 years ago, I think both sides of the house would have cautioned any young person from going down a path that could lead to irreversible changes to their body. Now, one side seems to think that’s fine, the other still says “let’s talk about this for a minute.” And it’s the “let’s talk about this for a minute” that gets us called names."

30 years ago a majority of the country was anti-gay

things evolve

and it sure is nice that we have medical professionals who actually deal with bodily autonomy as opposed to people who shout loudly about something being morally wrong

11/7/2024 5:51:13 PM

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"pretty gross way to be talking about a minor "

That's because I'm not an Orwellian hall monitor that uses phrases like gender affirming care. If you wouldn't let them get a tattoo to fit in don't let them get surgery to fit in.

11/7/2024 6:06:56 PM

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" It took them days to openly condemn October 7th. There's a god damned Hamas wing of the party, and they can't call it out."

What? Biden condemned this instantly. Kamala was pro-Israel to an uncomfortable degree and gave barely mealy mouthed defenses of the Palestinians. Point being… democrats are following your plan on this issue. Kamala’s stance on this likely costed her winning Michigan too btw (not that it would have mattered overall). The votes she lost in Dearborn could have flipped the state.

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" They are completely out of touch on trans issues. They've managed to take a condition that is known to affect < 1% of the population and convince 1 out of 5 kids in schools that they have it."

To be clear, democrats never cared about transgender people, no one did, until Republicans focused group this as a divisive issue post roe v wade. This is documented history. Democrats couldn’t have just sat back and let republicans pass anti trans legislation because this inevitably becomes anti gay legislation. Yeah this gives a lot of people the ick but if we claim to be a free society, Youre going to have to live with people who give you the ick. You’re suggesting democrats essentially allow anti-gay bigotry to keep a beachhead in society and I don’t see how thats possible.

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" Then they've taken the tack that the entire country is irredeemably racist. "

We’re a slave nation that became an apartheid nation until 1972. This is recent. It’s a fact that we’re a country built on white supremacy that has deep effects lingering today. I agree though democrats have not handled this well. We should be talking more about the ways we have redeemed ourselves so people don’t think things are irredeemable when they hear academics correctly state in an academic context that we’re a white supremacist nation. A secondary problem here though is academics are always going to speak bluntly on this topic, and Fox News is always going to take this out of context. This is another way democrats can’t both acknowledge reality and win the public opinion.

I think the bigger problem is republicans and conservatives preaching to white people that they deserve to be the supreme race of America.

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" all the other stuff"

I’m understanding better from what you’re saying why people can support a Rapist in the Face of democratic weirdness. but that’s the bothersome part.
why do democrats have to call out kids on campus, while republicans quadruple down on 1/6? Ted Cruz initially called it a terrorist attack, now trump is going to pardon them. You have a bunch of kids with zero impact on one hand , vs people trying to stage a coup. And democrats from my perspective are continuously holding each other accountable. They forces out al Franken over a minor issue. Jon Stewart was one of the loudest pushing for Biden to go (and democrats listened). Why is there just a big double standard for democrats vs republicans?

How far does Biden or Kamala or whoever have to go in saying they support police to cancel out the defund the police debacle? How much do democrats have to do in supporting Netanyahu slaughtering 50,000 innocent Palestinians to cancel out the fact there are Muslim democratic politicians?

It still seems to circle back to me that Fox News and machinery of rightwing propaganda is more powerful than whatever democrats have from Hollywood. Republicans are better about circling the wagons for their corrupt members, where as democrats take a public beating for ousting their corrupt members.

If I want to condense this into an actionable system, the model is that heterosexual white Christians are the default American. If this class is doing something wrong we can’t say or do anything without being excessively gentle. But if something bad is happening to this special class of people, especially from non-whites, the entire machinery of the Democratic Party needs to spring into action rapidly, or they’ll elect a fascist as punishment. As long as this is done, the special class will tolerate progressive policy for everyone else.

11/7/2024 6:12:46 PM

^ yeah I didn’t have the patience to address some of those points (especially the Israel stuff), so thanks for doing it for me. It’s a messaging problem. Theres a weird double standard being applied to the Dems. Does the GOP need to also denounce every radical policy that people within their party also hold…or just the Dems?

11/7/2024 6:48:42 PM

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" which of these things, specifically, do you think are not happening?"

NONE of them are happening at the rate which right wing media tells you to believe, and some of them are not happening at all.

Now, you tell me: Which of these things/perceptions of liberals/Democrats HAVEN'T been tainted by Republican lies about them? I mean, I've been told multiple times that because I'm Democrat (well,really, not Republican is more accurate) that I must want to ban all guns...because that's the perception that right wing media gives them.

11/7/2024 7:06:11 PM

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" I've certainly never been called a bigot by a right wing person for saying we should need a lot more evidence before letting a doctor get a surgery fee for cutting off tits or that persons with cock and balls should not be allowed in locker rooms."

That.....is disingenuous as fuck. People get called bigots (and other things) by right wing people for simply being atheist or opposing prayer in schools and such, or for supporting green, renewable energy, or for wanting to tax the rich more. Of course Republicans aren't gonna call you a bigot for agreeing with them.......What point were you really trying to make here? Merely stating the obvious?

[Edited on November 7, 2024 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2024 7:17:59 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/michaelhobbes.bsky.social/post/3lafere76v22p

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" I haven't seen a single "we have to understand the concerns of Trump voters" take reckons with the fact that a huge percentage of their concerns are based on false information. You cannot "address" a concern about a fake thing!"

11/7/2024 7:49:51 PM

Along those lines ^, they just spent a lot of time and effort courting the Nikki Haley voters. And the conclusion from self described moderates is “Harris and the party is too liberal”. Seems like a major miscalculation. Those voters don’t want to vote for a D. Some of them will. But you’ll never win over enough of them, if enough of them even exist. They simply don’t align with the party, they just don’t like Trump…that’s really all they have in common. That’s not the group you need to turn out to win.

11/7/2024 8:38:02 PM

Perhaps dems should figure out how to seem appealing to independent voters

11/7/2024 8:48:15 PM

If they don't run a white guy in 2028, they are idiots

[Edited on November 7, 2024 at 9:04 PM. Reason : or an Obama-like charismatic black dude]

11/7/2024 9:04:14 PM

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"What? Biden condemned this instantly. Kamala was pro-Israel to an uncomfortable degree and gave barely mealy mouthed defenses of the Palestinians. Point being… democrats are following your plan on this issue. Kamala’s stance on this likely costed her winning Michigan too btw (not that it would have mattered overall). The votes she lost in Dearborn could have flipped the state."

Biden did. Democrats as a whole, did not. There shouldn't have been any hesitation among any of them. And when Omar and Tlaib were celebrating, they should have been explicitly censured; they weren't.

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"To be clear, democrats never cared about transgender people, no one did, until Republicans focused group this as a divisive issue post roe v wade. This is documented history. Democrats couldn’t have just sat back and let republicans pass anti trans legislation because this inevitably becomes anti gay legislation. Yeah this gives a lot of people the ick but if we claim to be a free society, Youre going to have to live with people who give you the ick. You’re suggesting democrats essentially allow anti-gay bigotry to keep a beachhead in society and I don’t see how thats possible."

On the whole, I might agree, that Dems didn't really care initially. But you are missing the point. Why the fuck are the only two possibilities in your mind for all of these issues the batshit insane progressive view, or the batshit insane GOP view? I've said this repeatedly to you, and you keep going back to this false dichotomy. There's a middle road between tranny bashing and Orwellian pronoun policing and hiding sex changes from parents. You know this.

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"why do democrats have to call out kids on campus, while republicans quadruple down on 1/6? Ted Cruz initially called it a terrorist attack, now trump is going to pardon them. You have a bunch of kids with zero impact on one hand , vs people trying to stage a coup. And democrats from my perspective are continuously holding each other accountable. They forces out al Franken over a minor issue. Jon Stewart was one of the loudest pushing for Biden to go (and democrats listened). Why is there just a big double standard for democrats vs republicans?"

Because the Democrats' job is LOOK FUCKING SANE. The GOP is insane. You want to present yourself as the sane alternative, so... you have to do these things! You are falling into the same TDS trap that Dems at large are doing: allowing GOP insanity to justify the Dems' own. FFS, the fact that they nuked Franken is proving my point!

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"NONE of them are happening at the rate which right wing media tells you to believe, and some of them are not happening at all."

LOL, denial aint a river in Egypt, bud.

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"Along those lines ^, they just spent a lot of time and effort courting the Nikki Haley voters. And the conclusion from self described moderates is “Harris and the party is too liberal”. Seems like a major miscalculation. Those voters don’t want to vote for a D. Some of them will. But you’ll never win over enough of them, if enough of them even exist. They simply don’t align with the party, they just don’t like Trump…that’s really all they have in common. That’s not the group you need to turn out to win."

That was literally the group you needed to win. Instead, they went and voted for Trump. They've proven they'll vote for someone they don't like. You've just got to be not insane. I, a fucking libertarian, made the damned calculus that a rabid progressive was better than a fascist. These people could easily do the same. Except the party as a whole has crazies that are way too loud an aren't being shouted down by the adults in the room.

11/7/2024 11:36:21 PM

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"We’re a slave nation that became an apartheid nation until 1972. This is recent. It’s a fact that we’re a country built on white supremacy that has deep effects lingering today. I agree though democrats have not handled this well. We should be talking more about the ways we have redeemed ourselves so people don’t think things are irredeemable when they hear academics correctly state in an academic context that we’re a white supremacist nation. A secondary problem here though is academics are always going to speak bluntly on this topic, and Fox News is always going to take this out of context. This is another way democrats can’t both acknowledge reality and win the public opinion."

I pulled this one separate to bloviate more on it. I'd say that going straight to "white supremacist" is blackwashing the nation's history. I think there's been a shit ton of whitewashing, and I think it's healthy to take a look at how our historic policies have been beneficial primarily to whites. But turning that into "white supremacy" is where progressives are jumping the shark. The reality is that when these things were being done, EVERYONE in the world thought this way; Asians thought they were the best, Africans thought they were the best, Arabs thought they were the best, and so on and so forth. Had any of them come over to the New World, they would have set up the same fucking policies for themselves. Yet whites are supposed to be ashamed of it because we happened to invest in larger longer range ships sooner than other societies.

Yes, slavery is a moral stain on the nation, and we persisted it far too long. But it's a stain on basically every society on earth; yet somehow only white people are the ones who are called to task for it. As a nation, we've made remarkable strides, even if they haven't been as fast as they need to be. Yet progressives continue to blackwash the country, putting us now at the same place we were 500 years ago, when nothing could be further from the truth!

I also think there's incredible hubris in condemning people from 500 years ago based on today's thoughts. We've had the benefit of 500 years of the world's best thinkers, something people 500 years ago didn't have; yet, we feel righteous enough to judge them without affording them the same position which we use to judge them. People then were imperfect. People now are imperfect. And people 500 years from now are going to be looking at us over things we don't give a second thought to and saying what savages we were for allowing or perpetrating it. It's pure folly to think we are the height of human thought, yet, progressives engage in that exact masturbatory ego stroking.

Yes, we need an honest look at ourselves and where we've fallen short. But wrapping that up as something as odious and pejorative as "white supremacy" makes you look crazy to others who get the folly in judging people from 500 years ago by today's standards. There's a middle ground between "America has always been perfect" and "America was founded to persist slavery and has always been horribly racist". Dems and progressives need to find it!

So, no, it's not that we need to tread carefully around white people and not make any progress lest we disturb the poor oversensitive whities. It's that we need to quit acting like only white people have ever had these ideas from the wrong side of history, much less acted upon them. It's a historic stain on the human race. In this country, yes, it's been whites. In China it's the Han. India has its own ethnicities that we honestly can't even tell apart. In Africa, maybe it's the Hutus or the Tutsis. The failing is human, not Caucasian. That's the sane view, but progressives can't help themselves and just straight to ZOMG WHITE PEOPLE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!

11/8/2024 12:19:21 AM

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"On the whole, I might agree, that Dems didn't really care initially. But you are missing the point. Why the fuck are the only two possibilities in your mind for all of these issues the batshit insane progressive view, or the batshit insane GOP view? I've said this repeatedly to you, and you keep going back to this false dichotomy. There's a middle road between tranny bashing and Orwellian pronoun policing and hiding sex changes from parents. You know this."

you gave the game away with this one

no sex changes are happening without parental knowledge. kids are afraid to come out to their bigoted parents. why do you think that would be the case?

it really isn’t that difficult to want people to be happy and live their best life, but bigots on the right just can’t handle that, because at a base level, they’re terrified of the idea of being “tricked” by a trans person

^ that’s a whole lot of words to not mention Jim Crow at all

[Edited on November 8, 2024 at 12:25 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2024 12:21:29 AM

^ obviously there's some hyperbole there, but schools very much are instituting policies that forbid informing parents in any way when a child expresses any form of gender dysphoria. It was discussed ad nauseum in the trans thread, and most of the posters here (you included) were just as intransigent about it there as you are here. The a priori assumption that all parents are hateful bigots and will murder their children at the slightest hint of trans-curiosity and therefor kids need the school to shelter and guide them into this new understanding with no parental involvement whatsoever is precisely where progressives are insane on this. School boards and legislators are making these policies right now.

Not all parents are transphobes. Not all parents will murder their children. In fact, the vast majority don't fit into either category. Yet schools are subsuming this from parents and substituting their own judgement, in an area that is very much evolving, over things that cannot be undone. It was one thing for girls to fashionably be lesbians. You decide it's not for you, and you stop licking puss. But you suddenly realize you aren't trans, but you've cut your dick off and taken puberty blockers into your mid twenties? That's game over, man. That's fucking insane. I'm sorry your head is too far in the sand to see it

11/8/2024 12:30:54 AM

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"The a priori assumption that all parents are hateful bigots and will murder their children at the slightest hint of trans-curiosity and therefor kids need the school to shelter and guide them into this new understanding with no parental involvement whatsoever is precisely where progressives are insane on this."

LOL. Yup, like I've been saying, you fail to acknowledge just how much a factor right wing media lies and misinformation are to blame. I mean, right here you just demonstrated that you've actually bought some of their lies, too. I mean, how many progressives do you think are really assuming that?

11/8/2024 12:38:31 AM

^^ again, that’s a whole lot of words in a (bad) attempt to hide your bigotry

trans kids who are in a welcoming/tolerant family would have no reason to fear being outed by their teacher

it’s the ones who are in families who aren’t who shouldn’t have to worry about being outed by their teacher

the implication is that being trans is bad/something to alert a family about

[Edited on November 8, 2024 at 12:56 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2024 12:42:18 AM

You’re kinda making his point.

You can advocate for trans people and point out counter arguments like you are making about the threat of alerting parents without attacking him and without dismissing the idea that maaaaaaaybe the left jumps the shark on social issues sometimes, or at the very LEAST doesn’t distance themselves from their crazies.

11/8/2024 12:50:05 AM

Seems like a particularly odd hill to die on.

11/8/2024 12:52:00 AM

have no qualms about calling out bigotry when I see it

there is no social issue that elected officials on the left have gone too far with

conversely, the right have gone waaaay too far with enacting laws that do nothing but hurt people

^ I have multiple friends who are trans, and some of them didn’t come out until they were away from their family. pretty easy to guess why they were afraid to come out while living with their family

[Edited on November 8, 2024 at 1:12 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2024 12:55:02 AM

It took the general public awhile to be cool with gay people and gay marriage. They need some more time to completely normalize trans people. That's just how it is.

11/8/2024 1:25:43 AM

complete shock that aaronburro was arguing against gay marriage back in the day

11/8/2024 1:32:46 AM

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"Except the party as a whole has crazies that are way too loud an aren't being shouted down by the adults in the room."

But this is true for both parties.

11/8/2024 6:18:29 AM

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"That.....is disingenuous as fuck. People get called bigots (and other things) by right wing people for simply being atheist or opposing prayer in schools and such, or for supporting green, renewable energy, or for wanting to tax the rich more. Of course Republicans aren't gonna call you a bigot for agreeing with them.......What point were you really trying to make here? Merely stating the obvious?"

I just stated my experience. I was a left wing atheist a lot longer than I've been a right wing troll. I never experienced bigotry for my atheism.

Your entire post is like you're arguing against a 2012 Koch brothers funded Republican party.

11/8/2024 7:52:25 AM

Why would you ever even expect to be called bigoted by people who agree with you?

11/8/2024 8:10:53 AM

^ because I've been on both sides and they certainly did not agree with me in 2012. "Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows"

https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/why-trump-may-stage-greatest-comeback-us-history-7dfr8tzrq

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" When asked to name a weakness she had that she might overcome, she went full David Brent: “I mean, I’ve … I’ve made many mistakes. And they range from, you know, if you’ve ever parented a child you know you make lots of mistakes to, in my role as vice-president? I mean, I’ve probably worked very hard at making sure that I am well-versed on issues and I think that is very important. It’s a mistake not to be well-versed on an issue and feel compelled to answer a question.” The entire event was a disaster: a near parody of why normal people hate the way politicians talk. Every answer seemed to be a form of damage control. And her body language … Well, it is not reassuring to think a person who cannot crisply answer a straight question will have to make split-second life-and-death decisions as president. She seemed like a party functionary — maybe a decent low-level cabinet member. But president? Sorry, but it didn’t and doesn’t add up. Most honest Democrats I know feel the same way"

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"The Democrats also missed a critical new reality in American politics: it’s about class, not identity. The Biden-Harris messaging was directed to women, “queers”, African-Americans and “Latinx” people. Trump messaging was about how well working-class people did before Covid, and how they could prosper again. “Harris is for they/them. Trump is for you” was a potent message. And if the polling pans out, Trump could assemble the most multi-racial coalition since Nixon, winning record numbers of black, Latino, Muslim and gay votes."

[Edited on November 8, 2024 at 8:23 AM. Reason : A]

11/8/2024 8:21:34 AM

Right wing doesn't call trans supporters bigots, they call them pedophiles

11/8/2024 8:35:19 AM

^and then they go vote for Epstein’s best friend

11/8/2024 8:49:04 AM

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"LOL. Yup, like I've been saying, you fail to acknowledge just how much a factor right wing media lies and misinformation are to blame. I mean, right here you just demonstrated that you've actually bought some of their lies, too. I mean, how many progressives do you think are really assuming that?"

You're joking, right? The policy, itself, shows that's what they believe! Why else would you hide from parents that their children are setting off down a path that leads to cutting off their fucking genitals? If you think parents can't be trusted at all, that's the policy you choose! If you think literally anything else, you choose something more nuanced that recognizes a parent's innate right to be involved and aware of a child wanting to lop off body parts.

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"there is no social issue that elected officials on the left have gone too far with"

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. You wonder why you are losing elections to fascists? This is literally it.

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"complete shock that aaronburro was arguing against gay marriage back in the day"

Complete shock that progressive troll thegoodlife3 misrepresented my position then and is still doing it now.

11/8/2024 8:55:39 AM

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"And if the polling pans out, Trump could assemble the most multi-racial coalition for a Republican nominee since Nixon, winning record numbers of black, Latino, Muslim and gay votes."

While still losing most of those groups handily, but siphoning off just enough to couple with the white trash automatic votes to win a sweeping victory.

11/8/2024 9:14:29 AM

^ The thing that is so stunning to me about that is that he is openly hostile to those exact groups. Yet they still moved towards him, even if slightly.

Blacks - His core message is white nationalism
Latinos - He literally wants to deport all of them
Muslims - Seriously? The fucking Muslim ban?
Gays - Might be the only group he hasn't really gone after, unless I'm just forgetting something obvious

[Edited on November 8, 2024 at 9:20 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2024 9:18:46 AM

My understanding is that minors aren't able to obtain gender-affirming surgery or puberty blockers without parental consent.

11/8/2024 9:30:59 AM

^^

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"An undocumented immigrant from Guatemala says the odds of Trump improving the economy is worth the potentially higher risk of deportation. “Trump wants to deport those who do bad things. … I haven’t broken any laws.” "

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/state/2024/11/07/austin-latino-immigrant-men-donald-trump-2024-united-states-presidential-election-appeal-economy/76092640007/

11/8/2024 9:44:18 AM

i guess liberals being outnumbered and hugely fucking annoying was the biggest issue after all

11/8/2024 9:58:24 AM

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"The Biden-Harris messaging was directed to women, “queers”, African-Americans and “Latinx” people"

She did focus heavily on women which was a mistake because it doesn’t seem like they care about abortion actually. But she did in no way focus on those other groups.

Her main message was “opportunity economy”, which was a good message, but neither her nor walz repeated this enough. This should have been a chant. People should have been sick of hearing this phrase and seeing it in ads.

11/8/2024 10:07:07 AM

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"Latinos - He literally wants to deport all of them"

Eh this I disagree with. I think the Latino vote is clearly not a monolith. You’ve got Latinos that are second and third generation. You’ve got so many different countries and backgrounds represented within the broader Latin community. Fears of socialism and communism are strong with some of these voters.

I can’t speak for a group I’m not a member of. But I can see how a Latino voter would express concern over border security, their jobs, and the economy as a whole. And time and time again people have shown they trust the GOP on those issues.

^ yes, the GOP fear mongers about trans issues or DEI stuff or whatever. But I don’t recall seeing any Harris ads about trans issues, for example. Only GOP ads about anti-trans stuff. GOP keeps winning the messaging battle. She did not run a radically progressive campaign that some people believe she did.

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11/8/2024 10:16:59 AM

Quote :

" Complete shock that progressive troll thegoodlife3 misrepresented my position then and is still doing it now."

not a troll

take a walk down memory lane and read your posts about marriage equality:

https://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=626655

[Edited on November 8, 2024 at 10:49 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2024 10:49:06 AM

Damn, HockeyRoman. Haven't thought of him or Gamecat in a long time. I still talk to Smoker4 daily, I was at his gay wedding. His toast was, "GAY MARRIAGE. MAY IT BE LEGAL AND RARE." He got off the hook for years by saying, "I'll only get married when all the gays can."

[Edited on November 8, 2024 at 10:58 AM. Reason : a]

11/8/2024 10:57:14 AM