Hopefully that is not in Amile hours

4/17/2012 3:28:07 PM

Like that kid just put a map of the US on the wall and started throwing darts at it for his school selections.

4/17/2012 3:29:20 PM

I've heard that the holdup on Young is on our end. If Leslie stays and Amile commits we may not offer him.

4/17/2012 3:29:25 PM

According to PackPride's twitter account, they do not think he is coming to State but rather to A&M

4/17/2012 3:31:16 PM

yea i dont understand the A&M feelign all the sudden after the "he is ours to lose" speak

4/17/2012 3:33:01 PM

Quote :

"MPC All-State center Andrew Young has told NC State and Oregon that he is going to Texas A-M on basketball scholarship."

4/17/2012 3:37:46 PM

Damn, we really need Amile now. Definitely don't want to make a panic signing we are stuck with for four years.

Who is left on the 2012 board after Amile? 3 schollys is a lot to hold on to.

4/17/2012 3:41:19 PM

ugh. So there's a distinct possibility we lose out on Young, Jefferson commits to Duke, and Leslie goes pro.


Typical NC State shit.


PLEASE let this not occur.

4/17/2012 3:42:35 PM

one could argue that we backed off young because we feel reasonably confident about other options in play. ie leslie returning, amile committing, d. harris transferring here, etc...

4/17/2012 3:44:24 PM

With all that Gottfried and his staff have done right so far, I'm willing to bet that they have a good handle on the situation. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt before the NC State Shit kicks in.

4/17/2012 3:45:37 PM

or the wheels are about to fall off

4/17/2012 3:46:25 PM

That'd be moronic. College kids change minds. It's not like we have only one 'ship available. Common sense says we simply got beat out. It happens..

4/17/2012 3:46:47 PM

COME ON OVER

STOP MAKIN A FOOL OUT OF ME

WHY DONT YOU COME ON OVER AMILE

I don't care how it's pronounced

4/17/2012 3:47:55 PM

CJL is not going anywhere & we have a really solid shot at Amile.

4/17/2012 3:50:01 PM

Quote :

"That'd be moronic. College kids change minds. It's not like we have only one 'ship available. Common sense says we simply got beat out. It happens.."

disagree here. young has two years to play two. consider this:

we COULD have Leslie, Howell, T. Harris, Vandenberg, Jefferson, de Thaey at the 4/5 next year, but things really open up the next year after that when Howell and Leslie are assuredly gone.

at that point, would you prefer to have Young starting for his final season or would you rather have Damontre Harris available for 2 seasons after sitting out a year from transferring? If I'm going for the ideal scenario, it'd be leslie returning, landing jefferson, and d. harris transferring in. I definitely liked young though.

i'm not saying there's no way he backed off on us on his own, that's certainly possible. just saying i don't think it's a no-brainer that this was the case. anyway, good luck to him.

4/17/2012 3:57:37 PM

we have 3 scholarships available now and we needa fill em up w/ some big men, badly...

4/17/2012 4:04:24 PM

Was he not on an official visit here like 48 hours ago? It's just a standard defense mechanism like we are accusing UNC of doing regarding Oriakhi. "oh we didn't want him anyway!!"

[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 4:06 PM. Reason : X]

4/17/2012 4:05:10 PM

Quote :

"Was he not on an official visit here like 48 hours ago? It's just a standard defense mechinism like we are accusing UNC of doing regarding Oriakhi. "oh we didn't want him anyway!!""

all i'm saying is it is possible. that visit had been scheduled for some time. it's possible we scheduled it and then later got more definitive information about leslie/jefferson/harris and things changed. it's also possible that he was ready to make a decision now and we were trying to slowplay it to see how the other things developed so he went another direction. or, he just liked A&M better.

i am going to wait and see how the rest of the decisions shake out before determining whether i should be glad/disappointed about young's decision. if we do end up with all three between leslie/jeffers/d. harris, then i think we backed off on young. time will tell.

Quote :

"we have 3 scholarships available now and we needa fill em up w/ some big men, badly..."

guaranteed players on the roster that play the 1/2 spot:
Zo, Purvis, Lewis

guaranteed players on the roster that play the 4/5 spot:
Howell, Vandenberg, de Thaey, T. Harris

plus we have Leslie/Jefferson and maybe even D. Harris also in play for the 4/5. i'm more worried about our backcourt depth at this point, but we'll be fine if everyone stays healthy.

4/17/2012 4:09:02 PM

Let it play out and see what happens.

If we land Amile and/or a big man transfer, it'll make more sense. But Young was ours for the taking.

4/17/2012 4:11:19 PM

Definitely would like to have had the guy. Looks like more depth issues this upcoming season.

4/17/2012 4:11:52 PM

i think NYM has a point...we don't want to sound like unc fans. but what ^^^ is saying is definitely a possibility, too. i'm pretty sure that the official visit had been scheduled for some time. but it did seem like, from what i'd read on packpride and rivals, that us and oregon seemed to be the favorites so him picking a&m seems to be a bit unexpected.

[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 4:15 PM. Reason : arrows]

4/17/2012 4:15:23 PM

reading between the lines of pp premium it sounds like he didnt have a committable offer yet

now, whether today's news is a "fuck that, im going elsewhere if you dont want me that much" or a is still up for discussion

4/17/2012 4:15:44 PM

Quote :

" d. harris transferring here"

Yeah, that's not happening. Unless you think frank martin is just gonna magically have a change of heart.

Quote :

" we COULD have Leslie, Howell, T. Harris, Vandenberg, Jefferson, de Thaey at the 4/5 next year"

Tyler harris probably won't be here if leslie and jefferson both are here next year. Why would he want to be the 3rd pf and see no playing time at all?

4/17/2012 4:15:49 PM

Quote :

"Yeah, that's not happening. Unless you think frank martin is just gonna magically have a change of heart."

http://live-blogs.fayobserver.com/accbasketball/April-2012/Damontre-Harris--high-school-coach-says-N-C--State

Quote :

""There’s some bad blood between Orlando Early and the athletic department at South Carolina. It’s not Frank Martin. It’s Eric Hyman, the athletic director, or somebody in that office (Vandevender said USC must think Early tried to recruit Harris to N.C. State when he was hired there last offseason). Tre and I have not even talked about schools that are interested in him right now. We have not set up any visits. That’s going to start from today until the weekend. If N.C. State is on that list and he wants to go visit N.C. State, or he decides he wants to attend N.C. State, that’s what he’s going to do regardless of if South Carolina wants to release him or not because that’s just absolutely asinine that they would release him within conference and let him go play at Florida, for example, and have him play South Carolina twice every year and not release him to N.C. State, which is not within their conference nor do they have to play. "That’s not going to be acceptable on our end. It’s about the kid. There was no tampering. If N.C. State is on the short list and he decides to go there, he’s going to go there.""

4/17/2012 4:21:31 PM

That quote makes no sense without a source, guns.

4/17/2012 4:28:07 PM

Oh ok, I didn't realize his high school coach had authority over the NCAA.

4/17/2012 4:28:24 PM

^^^that

Quote :

"Oh ok, I didn't realize his high school coach had authority over the NCAA."

I haven't actually seen anything official that states he's being prohibited from transferring here. just that rumor about martin. also, sometimes when info like that comes out there can be a backlash and restrictions can sometimes be lifted at that point. not saying it will happen, but i do think it's way too early to count out the possibility of us getting him.

also, Tyler Harris will play. the question is whether or not he (and/or his dad) is going to be willing to see limited minutes next year in anticipation of stepping into a much greater role for his last 2 years. If Leslie returns next year, I agree that Harris probably won't see the floor a ton.

But he has a very legit shot at going from that to starting in his last 2 years here, if he sticks it out. I think he's got a lot of upside as a veteran player down the line.

4/17/2012 4:30:08 PM

Of course he will be getting limited minutes... ie none. He is sitting out next year wherever he goes. ^ you edited. Thought you were talking about demontre harris, not tyler.

And the tide against these coaches pulling bullshit like this seems to be rising. At minimum, it's not worth the public shitstorm you stir up.

[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 4:32 PM. Reason : e]

4/17/2012 4:32:07 PM

I don't think he's going to go from less than 5 minutes a game to starting. Because if that situation plays outv that'd the most he would get next year.

I don't see why you even brought his dad into this. This is just the case of recruiting over somebody. Sometimes it doesn't sit well with the guy already there.

4/17/2012 4:35:14 PM

His Dad is a well known prick. See Tobias' entire recruitment..

4/17/2012 4:37:46 PM

i think he gets more than 0 minutes next year if he stays. he might not see double-digit minutes a game, but i think he'll be in the rotation (especially early). a lot will depend on how he performs at that point. does he come out in front of TDT in the rotation? do we land Jefferson, and does he come in immediately ready to make an impact? way too much is up in the air at this point.

i don't think harris is an early-entry candidate for the NBA. i honestly think his best shot is to stay here and put in the work in practice, and then be ready to shine in his last 2 years when he can step into a significant role for us. he can go the josh davis/julius mays route and transfer to a smaller program, but if he's looking to make it to the next level i think he ought to stay here.


yeah i was talking about Tyler Harris. confusing lol.

4/17/2012 4:39:13 PM

^^That has little to do with the fact that if we have leslie and jefferson next year, harris will never see the court.

[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM. Reason : Rabbits like ^s]

4/17/2012 4:41:00 PM

AMILE BREAK MY HEART ALREADY

4/17/2012 4:44:07 PM

what makes you so sure that jefferson would instantly come in as a frosh and take all of the tyler harris minutes, after harris had a full year learning the system and bulking up in S&C? I could definitely see that happening later in the year, though.

4/17/2012 4:44:59 PM

^^^sorry to be the dick here, but is it really a revelation that a guy who couldn't sniff the court on a very thin team is also likely not to leave school early for the nba?? I mean anybody can make jumps, but it is extremely unlikely.

[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ^]

4/17/2012 4:47:26 PM

I think that Young knew he wasn't going to get minutes. CJL is going to come back and Young even said he got that feeling when he visited (PP Premie article I posted). I'm hoping this is the prelude to the bigger announcements that are likely to happen any day now with Amile and CJ.

4/17/2012 4:51:03 PM

Quote :

" what makes you so sure that jefferson would instantly come in as a frosh and take all of the tyler harris minutes, after harris had a full year learning the system and bulking up in S&C? I could definitely see that happening later in the year, though."

Because recruits that good don't come in and sit.

4/17/2012 4:53:47 PM

Quote :

"what makes you so sure that jefferson would instantly come in as a frosh and take all of the tyler harris minutes, after harris had a full year learning the system and bulking up in S&C?"

This. Sure, Jefferson is a talented McD's AA. Good for him. Harris is talented too. And has spent a year practicing against sweet 16-caliber competition. I'm just not sold yet on Amile, that he would come in and have a major impact right away.

If we're talking Jefferson vs. TDT, that's probably a different story.

4/17/2012 5:00:22 PM

i duno what yall see in Harris, im not a huge fan.

4/17/2012 5:01:02 PM

Don't you know he's Marcus Camby incarnate?

4/17/2012 5:05:20 PM

http://packinsider.com/2012/04/video-rodney-purvis-senior-season-highlight-reel/

4/17/2012 5:28:06 PM

if a player is not an impact player as a freshman, it does not mean he will not be an impact player as a sophomore, junior, or senior. some players come in and make a huge impact right away (and then promptly go pro), others develop more gradually and step into the impact role as an upperclassman. this is all captain obvious shit, i know, but i see harris as a guy in that latter category.

look at cj williams, for example. he came in and wasn't all that impressive. his first three years were largely disappointing based on the potential he seemed to have, then as a senior (with a new coaching staff) he stepped up to the plate and played a big role for us this season. we need glue guys like that to bridge the gaps between high school all-american recruits. i think harris can be that and possibly more, and we need guys like that too.

4/17/2012 5:29:27 PM

I like Tyler Harris's potential as a starting 4 when Leslie leaves. He obviously has the athleticism for the position, it's a matter of working on his skills and cutting down on the turnovers.

4/17/2012 5:34:06 PM

^100% agree. i like Harris' length and he has nice touch from the baseline

4/17/2012 5:34:47 PM

He could also work on driving to the basket without drawing a charge.

4/17/2012 5:49:10 PM

^i'm pretty sure that's included in "working on skills and not turning the ball over"

4/17/2012 6:14:43 PM

True. I must've just focused on the turn the ball over aspect.

4/17/2012 7:41:56 PM

Ordinarily I wouldn't sweat Andrew young bc I don't think he will be that good. Jc basketball players are rarely Steve Francis.

But with painter gone I'm getting awfully nervous. Our season rests with Amile now. And were screwed either way if Lez leaves

4/17/2012 8:28:55 PM

yep yep.

i really wanted young.

4/17/2012 8:38:36 PM

Quote :

"if a player is not an impact player as a freshman, it does not mean he will not be an impact player as a sophomore, junior, or senior. "

i hate playing the role of hater, but being realistic, saying that harris was "not an impact player" is understating it. harris couldnt even get on the floor after the first 10 games. in 2012, he his appearances were 4 min, 4 min, 5, 1, 2, 1, less than 1, than that ill-advised 7 in the tourney. in there i also count 14 dnp's. this is pretty telling considering he is a forward and our other 3 forwards spent the whole season in foul trouble.

CJ williams, on the other hand, saw his minutes go up at the end of his frosh season. now i dont remember well enough if there were any other factors that went into that such as injury but he certainly contributed. also, he never developed into anything more than a decent starter so i'm not sure why you chose him as your example.

this isnt to say he wont improve and/or see more playing time next year, i certainly hope he does, but even implying that he could leave early for the nba is quite a stretch.

4/17/2012 8:43:29 PM