In the last 50,000 hands I've played I've gotten 0 straight flushes and 1 royal. It was a crappy one card royal that came on the river and nobody even called my small bet.

7/17/2005 6:32:28 PM

watched all that wsop crap again and got inspired to play some pocket pairs and shit hands

quintupled up and im the chip leader

7/17/2005 7:39:06 PM

Quote :

"PokerStars Game #2133579265: Tournament #10218917, Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2005/07/18 - 19:39:51 (ET) Table '10218917 3' Seat #2 is the button Seat 2: cause4alarm (37840 in chips) Seat 7: jackleg512 (29660 in chips) cause4alarm: posts the ante 100 jackleg512: posts the ante 100 cause4alarm: posts small blind 1000 jackleg512: posts big blind 2000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to jackleg512 [Qc Qd] cause4alarm: raises 35740 to 37740 and is all-in jackleg512: calls 27560 and is all-in *** FLOP *** [Jd Ks 9h] *** TURN *** [Jd Ks 9h] [Js] *** RIVER *** [Jd Ks 9h Js] [Ad] *** SHOW DOWN *** jackleg512: shows [Qc Qd] (two pair, Queens and Jacks) cause4alarm: shows [9s Kd] (two pair, Kings and Jacks) cause4alarm collected 59320 from pot"

what a way to lose the last hand after starting the final table with 600 chips

7/18/2005 7:46:55 PM

this just pisses me off.

Game #682082634: Texas Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1) - 2005/07/18 - 19:55:05 (ET)
Table "Agena" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 1: Nozza222 ($14.90 in chips)
Seat 2: DrMario ($52.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Lee210917 ($33.25 in chips)
Seat 4: drawde ($36.71 in chips)
Seat 5: Mummy04 ($121.74 in chips)
Seat 6: Ceemee ($121.34 in chips)
Seat 7: GRTSMOKEY ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 8: caycee ($39.50 in chips)
caycee: posts small blind $0.25
Nozza222: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DrMario [Js Kh]
DrMario: calls $0.50
Lee210917: raises $1
drawde: calls $1
Mummy04: calls $1
Ceemee: calls $1
GRTSMOKEY: folds
caycee: folds
Nozza222: calls $0.50
DrMario: calls $0.50
----- FLOP ----- [9h Kc 9s]
Nozza222: checks
DrMario: bets $0.50
Lee210917: calls $0.50
drawde: calls $0.50
Mummy04: calls $0.50
Ceemee: calls $0.50
Nozza222: raises $1
DrMario: calls $0.50
Lee210917: raises $1
drawde: calls $1
Mummy04: calls $1
Ceemee: calls $1
Nozza222: raises $1
DrMario: calls $1
Lee210917: calls $0.50
drawde: calls $0.50
Mummy04: calls $0.50
Ceemee: calls $0.50
----- TURN ----- [9h Kc 9s][Kd]
Nozza222: checks
DrMario: bets $1
Lee210917: raises $2
drawde: calls $2
Mummy04: folds
Ceemee: folds
Nozza222: raises $3
DrMario: calls $2
Lee210917: calls $1
drawde: calls $1
----- RIVER ----- [9h Kc 9s Kd][As]
Nozza222: bets $1
DrMario: calls $1
Lee210917: raises $2
drawde: folds
Nozza222: raises $2
DrMario: raises $3
Lee210917: calls $2
Nozza222: calls $1
----- SHOW DOWN -----
DrMario: shows [Js Kh] (A Full House, Kings full of Nines)
Lee210917: shows [Ah Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Kings)
Nozza222: mucks hand
Lee210917 collected $40.15 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $42.25 Main pot $40.15 Rake $2.10
Board [9h Kc 9s Kd As]
Seat 1: Nozza222 (big blind) mucked
Seat 2: DrMario lost
Seat 3: Lee210917 showed [Ah Ac] and won ($40.15) with A Full House, Aces full of Kings
Seat 4: drawde folded on the River
Seat 5: Mummy04 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Ceemee folded on the Turn
Seat 7: GRTSMOKEY (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: caycee (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

realistically he's drawing to 1 out and maybe dead because so many people saw a raised pot I have to assume one of them was holding a third ace. it was absolute luck.

[Edited on July 18, 2005 at 8:00 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2005 7:58:44 PM

does anyone have a real account on empirepoker.com. im thinking about joining but i have a couple of questions.

7/19/2005 12:21:28 AM

yes. what?

7/19/2005 12:25:32 AM

to get the bonus from referral you have to play 125 "raked hands." what are those?

7/19/2005 12:27:41 AM

I am confused HaLo, didn't this guy have you beat pre flop and post flop?

7/19/2005 7:48:38 AM

Quote :

"to get the bonus from referral you have to play 125 "raked hands." what are those?"

a hand where the pot is raked.. the house take.

with .50/1 limit, the minimum rake is $0.25, and with pl/nl they will break the rake down into a $0.10 minimum rake.

if you play 1 table of .50/1, 125 raked hands will probably take about

(~50 hands per hour)*(~63% raked rate at .50/1) = 31.5 raked/hour..
125/31.5 = ~ 4 table hours.

if you play 4 tables, you could clear it in an hour.

last time i played the party 25nl tables (which seems like the level youd start out at if you wanted to play nl, but dont know what a raked hand is) I got about 80% raked. (this was before the party network changed the blind structure to represent a 100xBB buy-in)

at that rate

(~50 hnd/hr)*(~80%) = ~ 40 raked/hour
125/40 = 3.125 table hours.

i imagine that this is a $25 bonus?

I havent played empire in a while (they banned me and locked my account ), but IIRC the signup bonus is up to $100.. make a full deposit to maximize your bonus potential. Thats more than the RAF, but you cannot claim both simulataneously.

it may be 7xB raked hands to do so, but the value is better.

7/19/2005 8:37:22 AM

just won a 9 person sit and go in 27 minutes, I had a 12800 to 700 chip lead when it got down to heads up. It sure is easy when you catch cards

7/19/2005 8:56:53 PM

David. He sure did. Honestly I don't mind his preflop raise, that is the best +EV move. However post flop, is entirely a different story. Keep in mind that yes, I do realize this is .50-1 limit poker so you see a lot of stupid shit but I will still critique his play.

He has no business reraising since he is most certainly beat at this point with the pot raised, and reraised before him. With a pair of nines out there, you have to think that your Aces are at least in the hole. Sure, if you catch an ace on the turn or river you have the second nut hand but still, I don't think you make the reraise. This is definitely a huge -EV move.

On the turn, he again grossly overplays aces. At this point they are a serious dog in the hand. Now if the ace falls he only has the 3rd nut hand AND he is beat by ANY KING OR NINE which someone has already represented on the flop. Yet his raise is ludicrous. He is in dire straights at this point needing one of two remaining aces to fall. But still one of his aces was possibly in another persons hand (seeing as how 6 people were in preflop) thus I would discount his outs from 2 to 1. Thus leaving him with a 45:1 shot in winning the pot. His post flop play is draining his bankroll.

With the river he hits the miracle card and his play is rewarded. Of course I'm going to cap the river because I had the third nut hand and a pretty damn good chance of splitting or outright winning. Of course, Lee hit his miracle card and took down a $40 pot by beating 45:1 odds.

I honestly don't really care that he hit his miracle shot. However, purely to say that I was beat preflop and postflop does not say anything about my or his play. He really over played his Aces and I certainly don't mind that he did because 44 out of 45 times I will win or split this hand.

7/20/2005 12:09:22 AM

I still don't see wtf you were doing in after the flop...

7/20/2005 1:14:16 AM

Trying to outdraw someone. Doing so(probably with a 1 outer). Then getting outdrawn.

In that order.



[Edited on July 20, 2005 at 8:18 AM. Reason : .]

7/20/2005 8:15:34 AM

thats an example of why playing limit sucks. you cant get any worthwhile information when it is so cheap to call

7/20/2005 8:21:44 AM

im sick of limit haters.

7/20/2005 8:37:43 AM

low limit he on pp is really frustrating....just like small buy in nl; blame the stakes, not the structure

7/20/2005 8:41:40 AM

is there a reason you like playing limit so much???

in my opinion playing limit (at low stakes) takes a whole aspect of the game out

7/20/2005 9:06:55 AM

It drives me nuts to see players bash limit for the "you cant protect your hand" bullshit. Limit poker is a game of long term odds... People put wayyy too much study/emphasis on their "starting hand" odds, only to never think about the rest of the hand they are invloved in. Its not so much about your preflop odds, its about your post-flop odds.

however, if you are getting 7:1 to call on the button, (preflop, with profitable postflop play) you could call with just about anything suited, touching or painted.

if you only think in terms of bets, not price.....

the .50/1 game on party would be the juiciest (limit) game on the internet.. (despite the rake structure... 2/4 has a worse structure, but the play is different (on party at least)..)

where else will you routinely find pots that are > 15 BB? (big bets, not big blinds for the novice)

now the earn rate of this game makes it very unattractive for a solid player.

It can be frustrating, but if you actually understand poker theory, you realize that this is part of the game. The looser the play, the higher the variance to the game. In a loose game, a maniac has massive swings. In a loose game, a solid player has larger than their normal swings also. Its all under consideration.

In a tight-aggressive game the EV of AA is approx 4 BB.

in a loose-passive game with solid play and knowing when to dump, id be willing to wager that that value increases substantially, maybe even doubles.

You must adjust your game accordingly for these tables, loosen up your starting requirements and be a bit more passive preflop. wait for monsters and pick people off.

sure youll get outdrawn occasionally. wouldnt you rather get outdrawn and it cost you a few bucks as opposed to a few hundred?

More speculative hands become more profitable and people dont grasp that. Its the same with NL, but you just have to invest less to maybe catch a peice of it.



piss and moan all you want, its a completely different game. you cannot hope to apply the same "bet you off a hand" theory you may be able to get to work at a 200nl table. it wont work for 5/10 or lower limit. it just doesnt. Dont get down on a game just because you dont understand it.

7/20/2005 9:26:58 AM

Halo, your whole arguement is terrible. you know for a fact that 95% of .50/1 players will not drop aces unless its painfully obvious they are obliterated.

Quote :

"this just pisses me off. Game #682082634: Texas Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1) - 2005/07/18 - 19:55:05 (ET) Table "Agena" Seat 7 is the button. Seat 1: Nozza222 ($14.90 in chips) Seat 2: DrMario ($52.20 in chips) Seat 3: Lee210917 ($33.25 in chips) Seat 4: drawde ($36.71 in chips) Seat 5: Mummy04 ($121.74 in chips) Seat 6: Ceemee ($121.34 in chips) Seat 7: GRTSMOKEY ($9.75 in chips) Seat 8: caycee ($39.50 in chips) caycee: posts small blind $0.25 Nozza222: posts big blind $0.50 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to DrMario [Js Kh] DrMario: calls $0.50 Lee210917: raises $1 drawde: calls $1 Mummy04: calls $1 Ceemee: calls $1 GRTSMOKEY: folds caycee: folds Nozza222: calls $0.50 DrMario: calls $0.50 ----- FLOP ----- [9h Kc 9s] Nozza222: checks DrMario: bets $0.50 Lee210917: calls $0.50 drawde: calls $0.50 Mummy04: calls $0.50 Ceemee: calls $0.50 Nozza222: raises $1 DrMario: calls $0.50 Lee210917: raises $1 drawde: calls $1 Mummy04: calls $1 Ceemee: calls $1 Nozza222: raises $1 DrMario: calls $1 Lee210917: calls $0.50 drawde: calls $0.50 Mummy04: calls $0.50 Ceemee: calls $0.50 ----- TURN ----- [9h Kc 9s][Kd] Nozza222: checks DrMario: bets $1 Lee210917: raises $2 drawde: calls $2 Mummy04: folds Ceemee: folds Nozza222: raises $3 DrMario: calls $2 Lee210917: calls $1 drawde: calls $1 ----- RIVER ----- [9h Kc 9s Kd][As] Nozza222: bets $1 DrMario: calls $1 Lee210917: raises $2 drawde: folds Nozza222: raises $2 DrMario: raises $3 Lee210917: calls $2 Nozza222: calls $1 ----- SHOW DOWN ----- DrMario: shows [Js Kh] (A Full House, Kings full of Nines) Lee210917: shows [Ah Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Kings) Nozza222: mucks hand Lee210917 collected $40.15 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot $42.25 Main pot $40.15 Rake $2.10 Board [9h Kc 9s Kd As] Seat 1: Nozza222 (big blind) mucked Seat 2: DrMario lost Seat 3: Lee210917 showed [Ah Ac] and won ($40.15) with A Full House, Aces full of Kings Seat 4: drawde folded on the River Seat 5: Mummy04 folded on the Turn Seat 6: Ceemee folded on the Turn Seat 7: GRTSMOKEY (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: caycee (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) realistically he's drawing to 1 out and maybe dead because so many people saw a raised pot I have to assume one of them was holding a third ace. it was absolute luck. "

So lets just start at the beginning. You called UTG with KJo. not terrible, but not really advisable.

UTG+1 raises, gets 3 cold callers. this really could mean anything. you are absoltuely right to call at this point, but be cautious.

----- FLOP ----- [9h Kc 9s]
DrMario: bets $0.50

why the fuck would you bet out into this flop? woudlnt you suspect maybe that UTG+1 raised with AK and you are hurting? youd be hurting bad to AA, AK, KQ, and 9x.

tell me how many times yovue seen people call a riase with A9 on .50/1 tables.

The raising war that ensued: granted you seemed to be caught in the middle of some bullshit, but you should have dumped immediately. you should realize that your Kgarbage is no good. why commit that much money when you could only possibly know that you are a huge dog.

heres what gets me...

realistically he's drawing to 1 out and maybe dead because so many people saw a raised pot I have to assume one of them was holding a third ace. it was absolute luck.

bingo. just like you were on the turn. think one of your callers on the flop bet was holding a king? mayyybeee.. by your own logic about callers to the PRF, aces and kings must be popular right?

you hit your miracle card.. And by the looks of it Nozza was on a 9 or at worse a K. you were in rough, rough shape, but you kept trudging on, and hit your miracle card.

then the ace hits.

he hit his miracle card. you piss and moan like a little girl.

seriously, you are berating someone for making a worse play than you did.

Quote :

"His post flop play is draining his bankroll. "

you too.

[Edited on July 20, 2005 at 9:52 AM. Reason : e]

7/20/2005 9:50:18 AM

Quote :

"is there a reason you like playing limit so much??? in my opinion playing limit (at low stakes) takes a whole aspect of the game out"

calm down man... i tried to word that question in a way to understand where you are coming from. im not pissing and moaning, but you cant just say "im sick of limit haters" and not give a respectful rebuttal.

on that note, i see the validity to your argument. and you are right, winning at poker involves long term odds. but i dont look at the game solely in terms of how much money i win or lose. its a game about people that happens to involve hand odds and money.

reading people, learning styles, exploiting weakness, knowing what people are willing to lose or not lose on a given hand, and pushing the limitations of all of the above can make a solid strictly hand odds poker player a really great poker player.

have i played limit poker, yes... i started out playing limit poker because the swings are definately smaller and that was all i was willing to lose at the time (and i made money playing limit). is it a different game than NL, yep... you are right on that too about having to adjust your style.

i personally find limit poker to be a little more monotonous than playing NL. and that playing limit just invites bad beats to happen. i just find the people aspect to poker a little more exciting than solely the numbers game.

you do have potential to lose a lot of money per hand in NL. But do you really buy in to a table (limit or NL) with more money than you are willing to lose?

i didnt mean to come off sounding high and mighty with "limit sucks blah blah blah" limit just isnt for me.

7/20/2005 9:54:23 AM

you talk as if people will fold when they don't have the pot odds to call a draw on pp, that is really funny

7/20/2005 9:56:56 AM

Quote :

"on that note, i see the validity to your argument. and you are right, winning at poker involves long term odds. but i dont look at the game solely in terms of how much money i win or lose. its a game about people that happens to involve hand odds and money. reading people, learning styles, exploiting weakness, knowing what people are willing to lose or not lose on a given hand, and pushing the limitations of all of the above can make a solid strictly hand odds poker player a really great poker player."

In no limit that is true. In limit, it is entirely about the odds. Hence, a different game. It is a bit monotonous at times, and can seem mechanical. So is everything else in life where you can grind out a pretty steady paycheck. Some dont like this aspect of the limit side. Me, I am a logic first guy. I do numbers not psychology. I prefer the stability.

You also know that most decent stakes players have a respect for both games. They know the power of limit, and the power of no limit. Most players i am referring to have not put in the time to build up to anything beyond maybe 3/6.... without proper knowledge and study of the game, any small stakes game can be very very frustrating. you cannot in anyway expect anyone at a table to react in any rational matter. So your whole last paragraph in this quote in no way applies to low stakes limit games. are there really great players at small stakes limit? absolutely. Try crushing a 10/20 game for >7BB/100 over a 100,000 hand sample size. itd be damn near impossible. It is possible in a .50/1 or 1/2 game in party. (even then its not worth the time, unless you can keep up that prolific of a rate multitabling.)

Quote :

"i personally find limit poker to be a little more monotonous than playing NL. and that playing limit just invites bad beats to happen. "

Beats WILL happen. thats why a 1% chance, is still a 1% chance. When you play limit, its part of your expects. Just b/c you have AA, doesnt mean you are entitled to every pot. You grasp this. Most of the people i was referring to that are strictly NL fanboi types get all riled up when a beat occurrs. they understand so little of the game that they wrongfully get upset with the constraints of limit play.

Quote :

" i just find the people aspect to poker a little more exciting than solely the numbers game."

Then you ahve found the right game for you, and i hope you play NL live

For me, even NL online is becomming a mechanical game. its how i can justify 8-12 tabling 50nl. When you are live, you look for ways to maximize your earn rate for that specific session. When my hands per hour go from 30 (live) to 500 (10tabling online), I look for more broader sample size exploits. then it is a numbers game. Have your stats and player databases updated and ready to roll.

to each his own!

7/20/2005 12:53:14 PM

i guess i just view poker as more of a game than a job

im a numbers person myself, im an engineer so i feel you on that. i just prefer to play a more psychological game than a statistical game. i deal with numbers all day at work.

im glad that you are making some cash playing limit, im definately not hating on you.

i just dont really care about the monetary aspect

so i'll just say that it has been a good discussion and good luck to you.

7/20/2005 1:27:22 PM

Quite pleased with how I played yesterday. Even though I did not win I can definately see the improvement.


Was at the table with a bunch of loose players so I played fairly tight, mainly overcards and high pocket pairs. Someone got lucky as hell seeing they should not have been in the pot...

I raised in middle position with a decent pocket pair and I am called by the lucky dude. The person after him goes all in over the top of me. The person directly after him calls so I figure its safer to get out than gamble at this point.

The lucky guy and the caller check it down until an Ace comes on the river. He bets more and of course is called.

The re-raiser all in is holding pocket Kings but doesnt hit anything. The caller gets a small piece of the flop.

The lucky guy sucks out and catches his Ace on the river. He was holding As2s. His reason for staying in the hand after my raise and another raise to all in was "they were suited"

7/20/2005 1:50:33 PM

Now to my playing...

The highlight of my night was my last hand even though I lost it.

I had been playing strong hands consistenly all night. Even so I was among the short stacks because of losing my raises to crazy re-raises and thinking about the next hand instead.

The hands of mine that were seen where strong or pocket pairs: played TT, 88, AJ, AK, JJ all night long...pretty much only time I was in a hand was when I had something strong. Anyone who was watching players at the table would know that and would realize that if they were going to be in a hand with me, they better have at least a raising hand...

I say all this because of my last hand. Mind you, two hands before that hand I won a big pot with pocket 8's and made my boat...

I'm first position and I look down at a pair of Aces. I'm short stacked and one other person is in the hand with me so I figured I dont want to slow play them because people have been cracking Aces all night. So I go all in.

The guy that calls me obviously knows how I have been playing and yet he calls my all in, mind you he was short stacked but still...who calls an all in that determies of you are staying or leaving with T8 offsuit.

So it was AA against T8 offsuit. The flop comes T blank blank. Turn is a blank and the river is an 8 giving him two pair.


I really do not understand how someone who is playing seriously even though there are points instead of money involved can make that call. But I actually wasnt that pissed because I knew it was a bad call and frankly, that was the best I've played ever...I made some good lay downs and reads...I only wish it was $$$ b/c there is no way there would be so many bullshit calls.





[Edited on July 20, 2005 at 2:12 PM. Reason : an]

7/20/2005 2:09:29 PM

Quote :

"I only wish it was $$$ b/c there is no way there would be so many bullshit calls."

I think you proved your own point man.

7/20/2005 2:35:56 PM

yeah, i took this kid to the bank last night

AK

flop K 3 K

i bet, he raised, i called

turn blank

he checked to me, kinda worried he had 33 so i checked thru

hit an ace on the river

i bet, he raised, i went all in, he called

he turned over K3

he was so fucking mad, he shoulda bet on the turn....

dont play K3...

7/20/2005 2:37:42 PM

Quote :

"I only wish it was $$$ b/c there is no way there would be so many bullshit calls."

you would think....

7/20/2005 3:47:59 PM

its not really a bad call if they win

but really, you'll win most of the time if you play smart, and the person chasing a dream will lose most of the time. you can't win all the time. i just end up taking a break if i get beat by some bullshit a lot in one day

7/20/2005 3:49:34 PM

Quote :

"its not really a bad call if they win "

k

7/20/2005 3:51:06 PM

i wish two + two wasnt blocked at work =/

7/20/2005 4:01:35 PM

you enjoy watching people suck fossilmans dick? hahaha

nah, i read it occasionally

^^ps its gambling, some people wanna chase an out. get over it.

7/20/2005 4:04:03 PM

your work blocks that? anyone have any input on nobel poker?

7/20/2005 4:04:52 PM

its not so much the site that is blocked, its the banners.

internet tracking is a bitch, run into a blocked site/banner enough times, get shut down.

NoidRoid has played noble, weve discussed it.

Its on my todo list next month.

7/20/2005 4:06:32 PM

im still having a falling out with net teller about some money they owe me, and will not be putting any more money into them until it is corrected. but ill be looking to cashout and for somewhere new to play if they ever fix it

7/20/2005 4:09:38 PM

what was the problem.

7/20/2005 4:12:59 PM

who did i tell about it... noidroid maybe... i put 100 in, and the 100 never showed up

then my NetTeller account went to like -30, supposedly their fee for NSF. but they never put it through my bank account. they've been looking into it for at least 2 weeks now. so i have to get something from my bank saying that transaction never hit, and never bounced...

just a huge pain in the ass, and i havent gotten around to it yet.

7/20/2005 4:16:18 PM

you pay 30 bucks for 100 deposit? or is that bc they said you didn't have the funds?

oh ok...it bounced, i was gonna say

[Edited on July 20, 2005 at 4:19 PM. Reason : can we get rid of this feature?]

7/20/2005 4:18:22 PM

my favorite part about poker is when people bitch about how they SHOULD have won a game that isn't soley based on skill - like luck is a right they have earned and nobody else has

7/20/2005 4:22:50 PM

that is a good point to keep in mind

7/20/2005 4:24:39 PM

Quote :

"*** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to jackleg512 [3d 3c] Chunks76: raises 2000 to 2400 argammennon: folds smokeyny: calls 2400 Stevil2k3: folds jackleg512: calls 2200 wcbjr: folds *** FLOP *** [As 3h 3s] jackleg512: checks Chunks76: bets 1200 smokeyny: folds jackleg512: calls 1200 *** TURN *** [As 3h 3s] [2h] jackleg512: checks Chunks76: bets 2000 jackleg512: calls 2000 *** RIVER *** [As 3h 3s 2h] [Kd] jackleg512: checks Chunks76: bets 4000 jackleg512 said, "check this out" jackleg512: calls 1559 and is all-in *** SHOW DOWN *** Chunks76: shows [8d 8h] (two pair, Eights and Threes) jackleg512: shows [3d 3c] (four of a kind, Threes) jackleg512 collected 17268 from pot Chunks76 said, "NH" Chunks76 said, "DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE""

a perfect example of why i <3 poker

7/20/2005 8:34:59 PM

Quote :

"Trying to outdraw someone. Doing so(probably with a 1 outer). Then getting outdrawn. In that order."

GG Justin

7/20/2005 9:40:21 PM

Yes, it's a $6 sit-n-go, yeah I knew there was a chance of getting sucked out, but it was a chance I decided to take.

I'd been watching this guy for a while, liked to throw in all his chips on suspect flops. He'd been up-down-up-down all night, unafraid of losing all his chips. The situation was perfect for a bluff, I had him on nothing and was right. Took my time thinking about it and decided to give it a try.

Woulda been a sweet call except for the K on the river....


***** Hand History for Game 2398487926 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $5 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14119558 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, July 21, 04:02:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 35033 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 5: klotzraptor ( $830 )
Seat 7: firststrike2 ( $1620 )
Seat 10: Kojack05 ( $1030 )
Seat 2: TexGW ( $1415 )
Seat 3: sjsharks539 ( $450 )
Seat 9: tyscheer ( $1735 )
Seat 8: azrit ( $920 )
Trny:14119558 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kojack05 [ 4d As ]
firststrike2 folds.
azrit folds.
tyscheer folds.
Kojack05 raises [200].
TexGW folds.
sjsharks539 folds.
klotzraptor calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Js, Jc ]
klotzraptor is all-In [630]
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Kojack05 will be using his time bank for this hand.
Kojack05 calls [630].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
klotzraptor shows [ Kd, 6s ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
Kojack05 shows [ 4d, As ] two pairs, jacks and fours.
klotzraptor wins 1710 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and jacks.

[Edited on July 21, 2005 at 4:11 AM. Reason : eryh]

7/21/2005 4:10:36 AM

Not really a hard call at all. Anyone who actually had the J would have slow played it. The only thing I would have been mildly afraid of was a low pocket pair. But on a flop like that with an idiot going all-in... A high is probably good.

7/21/2005 5:51:18 AM

Advice needed: (going through PT, trying to find holes)

6-max limit. requires really aggro play in order to be positive. (like 30/20 or so, %VP$IP/%PFR)

is this just being too aggressive, or should I have known to dump?

***** Hand History for Game 2086281811 *****
$10/$20 Hold'em - Sunday, May 22, 01:49:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 10737 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: luckibill ( $1117.54 )
Seat 2: Synergy76 ( $486.5 )
Seat 3: daryn___ ( $539 )
Seat 4: apple2 ( $621 )
Seat 6: Dirkman ( $0 )
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes ( $419 )
Synergy76 posts small blind [$5].
daryn___ posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [ Qh Ks ]
Dirkman has left the table.
apple2 folds.
pilgrimshoes raises [$20].
luckibill calls [$20].
Synergy76 folds.
daryn___ folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Kh, 2h ]
pilgrimshoes bets [$10].
luckibill calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
pilgrimshoes bets [$20].
luckibill raises [$40].
pilgrimshoes calls [$20].
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
pilgrimshoes bets [$20].
luckibill calls [$20].
pilgrimshoes shows [ Qh, Ks ] two pairs, kings and queens.
luckibill shows [ 2d, 2c ] three of a kind, twos.
luckibill wins $193 from the main pot with three of a kind, twos.
apple2 has left the table.

My thoughts were hearts, or maybe K5, which wouldnt make sense, but i trumped on the river.


feck.


remember kids your 10 top table theories hold no water here.

7/21/2005 7:54:01 AM

I don't think KQ off is in the top 10.

7/21/2005 8:03:29 AM

Quote :

"6 max limit"

only playing/raising top ten hands will drown you in blinds. you must open up.

7/21/2005 8:43:07 AM

Ah, ok good point.

7/21/2005 8:54:33 AM

You pussies stop bitching about hands where you lost $40.

bonedagain posts the small blind of $1.
TexasSailor posts the big blind of $2.

Calgary Kid: -- -- -- --
dg152: -- -- -- --
Queen Ulli: -- -- -- --
Noor: -- -- -- --
david0603: Jc 6d Js 7s
aldeasa: -- -- -- --
bonedagain: -- -- -- --
TexasSailor: -- -- -- --
Valerie29: -- -- -- --
drallop: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

Valerie29 folds. drallop calls. Calgary Kid folds.
dg152 folds. Queen Ulli calls. Noor raises to $11.
david0603 calls. aldeasa folds. bonedagain calls.
TexasSailor folds. drallop calls. Queen Ulli
calls.

Flop (board: 5c 4h 8h):

bonedagain checks. drallop checks. Queen Ulli
checks. Noor bets $57. david0603 goes all-in for
$185.80. bonedagain folds. drallop folds. Queen
Ulli folds. Noor goes all-in for $184.75. david0603
is returned $1.05 (uncalled).

Turn (board: 5c 4h 8h 7h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 5c 4h 8h 7h 5s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

david0603 shows Jc 6d Js 7s.
david0603 has 6d 7s 5c 4h 8h: straight, eight high.
Noor shows Ac Ad 2h Qh.
Noor has 2h Qh 4h 8h 7h: flush, queen high.


Hand #7219277-640 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $426.50.
Noor wins $423.50 with flush, queen high.
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7/21/2005 9:28:20 PM

exactly why....


plo can be the most frustrating game behind razz.



proper plo and its exploitation of minor edges is so fucking frustrating.



but i wouldnt have called the PFR

[Edited on July 21, 2005 at 10:45 PM. Reason : e]

7/21/2005 10:44:52 PM