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"So, sorta coming back to this, you realize this is just your opinion, right?"

Are you trying to downplay my arguments as "just opinion", even when some of what I'm saying (eg, that most Christians believe the "Jews" are the descendants of Israelites) is fairly obvious? If you want to just call that "my opinion", fine. Whatever. But it's not just my opinion.

Are you doing to acknowledge that your arguments are just "opinion" also? (and I'm not conceding that my arguments are "just opinion", btw)

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"And obviously, it appears to only relate to Christians. So what about Muslims? Athiests, Fatalists, etc? Since they haven't had this kind of supposed teaching about the Jews, how will they look at them?"

I'm not familiar with the predomiant Atheist and Fatalist views on Jews. And I really don't know whether most muslims believe that the "Jews" are Israelites or not. But I think it's common knowledge that a large portion of muslims distrust Jews.

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"And some of the questions he asks I'm curious about too, particularly the "how/why the zionist group started/influenced the Civil and Revolutionary Wars"."

Did you or did you not see where I already responded to this question?

Here it is again:

Zionism (as a named movement) did not begin until the late 19th century. However, my point is that the Jewish international bankers (and primarily the Rothschild family) had a major role in those wars. Here's an article on the Rothschild and Jewish banker connection to the Civil War (and I'm not saying this is the best article out there, it's just one I found through a quick google search):

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/illuminati/civil_war_and_the_role_of_Illuminati.htm

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"The Civil War and the Role of the Illuminati The American Civil War, in a very real sense, was the continuation of the Revolutionary war fought by our Founders against the Bank of England. The Civil War was planned in London by Rothschild who wanted two American democracies, each burdened with debt. Four years before the war (1857) Rothschild decided his Paris bank would support the South, represented by Sen. John Slidell, JEW, from Louisiana; while the British branch would support the North, represented by August Belmont (Schoenberg) JEW, from New York. The plan was to bankroll, at usurious interest rates, the huge war debts that were anticipated, using that debt to extort both sides into accepting a Rothschild central-banking system similar to the one that had bled (and is bleeding) the nations of Europe, keeping them in conditions of perpetual war, insolvency and at the mercy of JEW speculators."

5/3/2006 1:03:16 PM

YOU ARE GIVING US A POSSIBLE (BUT CRACKPOT) WHY

BUT "HOW"

HOW DID THEY START THE WARS

5/3/2006 1:04:40 PM

Did you read the above article or not?

5/3/2006 1:07:17 PM

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", "racist", "bigot", "intolerant hatemonger", "anti-Semite", "Holocaust denier","

5/3/2006 1:08:49 PM

...straight from my user profile...

all compliments when someone (conditioned according the Zionist-controlled MSM/Hollywood/etc worldview) attacks you with those labels

5/3/2006 1:11:42 PM

yes douche

i read it

thats how and why i know that article only address the "why"

you have not explained HOW zionists got teh government to split into two factions and then begin a war between them

nor did you explain how the zionists got colonial citizens to support and enlist in a militia activity for independence

all you've said that JEWS WAS LOOKIN TO GET RICH

troll

5/3/2006 1:11:49 PM

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"yes douche i read it thats how and why i know that article only address the "why""

Not true. It touches on the "how" as well:

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"As in pre-Revolution France ILLUMINATI agitators, like maggots attacking a raw wound, were set to work in the North and the South at all levels of government and throughout society to exploit the divisive issues threatening the nation. The International Bankers were successful. All efforts for North-South peace failed."

Rothschild/"Illuminati" agents in the government worked to inflame the existing divisions between the North and South in order to push them into war.

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"troll"

This accusation coming from an admitted troll? What a complete joke.

5/3/2006 1:18:05 PM

CAN WE GET SOME PROOF ON THAT?

YOU JUST CLAIMED THAT THE ILLUMINATI SPURRED THE CIVIL WAR

I MEAN

REALLY

5/3/2006 1:23:19 PM

I provided the above article on that subject. Did I not?

5/3/2006 1:24:51 PM

that article != proof

as a matter of fact, none of the articles you have ever posted have had one shred of proof in them

wild accusations and baseless claims are not proof of anything other than your own paranoia

[Edited on May 3, 2006 at 1:38 PM. Reason : *]

5/3/2006 1:37:39 PM

FIND ME AN ARTICLE ON THAT MATERIAL THAT DOESN'T WRITE (JEW) NEXT TO INDIVIDUALS NAMES

UNTIL THEN

ITS STILL THE STUFF OF RACIST CRACKPOTS

5/3/2006 2:11:21 PM

dude....articles about someones opinion are not proof

5/3/2006 2:13:23 PM

he has that ctrl+v finger warmed up yo

KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS IN YO FACE

5/3/2006 2:18:36 PM

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"ITS STILL THE STUFF OF RACIST CRACKPOTS"

What will we ever do to counter such compelling smear tactics?

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"History reveals that the Rothschilds were heavily involved in financing both sides in the Civil War. Lincoln put a damper on their activities when, in 1862 and 1863, he refused to pay the exorbitant rates of interest demanded by the Rothschilds and issued constitutionally-authorized, interest free United States notes. For this and other acts of patriotism Lincoln was shot down in cold-blood by John Wilkes Booth on April 14, 1865, just five days after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm"

5/3/2006 2:28:45 PM

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"History reveals "

how...pray tell...does history reveal this??

5/3/2006 2:29:55 PM

there are few things in life i like more than being right

thats why i can not walk away

I WISH I KNEW HOW TO QUIT YOU

5/3/2006 2:30:01 PM

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"there are few things in life i like more than being right"

None are more hopelessly wrong than those who falsely believe they are right.

5/3/2006 2:33:54 PM

dear lord now he's linking to biblebelievers.org.au

australian holy rollers

ffs

5/3/2006 2:40:20 PM

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illuminatiagenda2bestoverviewyet8jun02.shtml

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"It was during the Civil War that the conspirators launched their first concrete efforts. We know that Judah Benjamin, chief advisor of Jefferson Davis, was a Rothschild agent. We also know that there were Rothschild agents planted in Abraham Lincoln's cabinet who tried to sell him into a financial dealing with the House of Rothschild."

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/money/fraud.htm

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"The Civil War was planned in England as far back as 1809. Slavery was not the real cause of the Civil War. The Rothschilds (who were heavy into the slave trade) used the slavery issue as "a divide and conquer strategy" which almost split the United States in two. The Bank of England financed the North while the Paris branch of the Rothschild bank funded the South."

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm

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"In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers (ie, Jewish bankers in league with the Rothschilds...my emphasis) decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overcome. The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President. The plotters raided armies, seized forts, arsenals, mints and other Union property. Even members of President Buchanan's Cabinet conspired to destroy the Union by damaging the public credit and working to bankrupt the nation. Buchanan claimed to deplore secession but took no steps to check it, even when a U.S. ship was fired upon by South Carolina shore batteries."

And touching on the Revolutionary War:

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/house_of_rothschild_final_warnin.htm

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"American and British Intelligence have documented evidence that the House of Rothschild, and other International Bankers, have financed both sides of every war, since the American Revolution. Financier Haym Salomon, who supported the patriots during the American Revolution, then later made loans to James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe, was a Rothschild agent. As explained earlier, during the Napoleonic Wars, one branch of the family funded Napoleon, while another financed Great Britain, Germany, and other nations."

[Edited on May 3, 2006 at 3:06 PM. Reason : ``````````]

5/3/2006 2:45:01 PM

jesus tapdancing christ...articles by dr. ken matto (who has no posted credentials anywhere online that i can see), and the fucking rothschilds argument...

YOUR MISSION SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ACCEPT IT: HOW WAS THE RUSSO-JAPANESE WAR LINKED TO ROTHSCHILDS/JEWS/ILLUMINATI

i mean, seriously, why do you believe this bullshit? how is this credible AT ALL?

I mean, i was sticking up for you on the Iraq War stuff, but youve lost me again.

Please find an article proving this not written by some crazy NWO site. A historian, perhaps. one at a university.

[Edited on May 3, 2006 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2006 3:03:40 PM

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"None are more hopelessly wrong than those who falsely believe they are right."

except you followed my post, almost immediately, with a babbling brook of copy and paste

so, sadly for you my italicizing friend, i was right

5/3/2006 3:21:07 PM

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"Please find an article proving this not written by some crazy NWO site. A historian, perhaps. one at a university."

Oh, like those "crazy NWO sites" exposing the truth about 9/11, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and many other issues? Yeah, they are sooooo unreliable and "nuts." Let's go run to the establishment sources in the MSM and academia for information--which are still covering up the truth on issues like 9/11, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and many other important issues.

Do you see my point? You've got to understand that the "establishment" (MSM) sources are actively involved in suppressing the truth on many issues. They are the ones that you should really be suspicious of. If you want to discover the truth on many important issues, you must seek out alternative, non-"mainstream" sources. That's not to say, now, that every non-MSM source is reliable or credible. Some aren't. But many are very reliable and credible--having much more credibility than any MSM source.

It would be nice to have an admission from a university professor on many of these issues. But it is not necessary. And independent researchers into these issues have documented their work similar to how any "established" historian would.

5/3/2006 3:23:30 PM

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"Did you or did you not see where I already responded to this question?"

Relax, would you? Actually, no, I didn't see it. I recall you posting stuff about the Afghanistan/pipeline stuff, but not the Revolutionary/Civil Wars. Probably got lost among the other stuff in the previous pages and I skipped over it. I appreciate you re-posting it.

Did you respond about his Pearl Harbor question too? If so I probably missed that too.

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"I'm not familiar with the predomiant Atheist and Fatalist views on Jews. And I really don't know whether most muslims believe that the "Jews" are Israelites or not. But I think it's common knowledge that a large portion of muslims distrust Jews."

See, I'm curious about this because I figure this glorious Zionist conspiracy must have plans for the non-Christians in this country. You keep talking about Jews and how we've been conditioned to never question them, but aside from the religious influence, I don't see how effective this supposed conditioning could be. And now, and this is mostly assumption of course, it seems that the religious influence is probably only directed towards Christians. Plus I'm still not convinced that it's fact that all Christians sects and churches teach this sort of thing.

So non-Christians haven't been influenced this way and probably not all Christians have either. The whole Holocaust thing I don't think makes much of a difference because I have a hard time believing that an emotional argument like that would have much impact. Plus I don't think it's as prominent in media as you seem to think. Unless you watch the History Channel a lot, you're not likely to see programming that talks about the Holocaust. During the recent anniversary of WW2 I imagine there was more than the usual, but nothing recent I can think of. Feel free to correct me.

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"Also, is there a difference between these false descendents of Israelites and people who just convert to Judaism? I mean, how do I tell the difference between an evil Jew and maybe just a misguided Jew?"

I'm also still curious about this.

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"Are you doing to acknowledge that your arguments are just "opinion" also? (and I'm not conceding that my arguments are "just opinion", btw)"

What else would they be? All arguments are opinion. It's just that to have an effective argument, you must support your opinions with facts and evidence. And as for the post that I was referring to...(quoted below)

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"Taken alone, the belief that the "Jews" are the descendants of the Israelites would not necessarily lead most people to never question or criticize a Jew. Nevertheless, for Christians who believe the "Jews" are the Israelites, it naturally causes them to be less critical and suspicious of Jews. They believe that the Jews are their friends. This false belief would cause most of them to scoff at the idea that Jews could be plotting against them, and--in fact--be their worst enemies. They would therefore be very adverse and not open to anyone who criticizes Jews. Many of them will blindly support the Jews, and immediately dismiss any criticism of Jews (no matter if that criticism is entirely valid)."

Yes, that is opinion. You want to give me a psychological study of Christians that definitively says that this kind of behavior is common, ok, I might take it as fact. Bring me a couple of Christians who say that yea they trust Jews completely because of what they were taught, bravo! I then might take it as fact.

But until then, this is basically the same as you showing me an orange and saying "Oranges are yummy!" Until I taste the orange myself or a bunch of other people also tell me they're yummy, how am I supposed to adopt the same kind of thinking?

What was worse was that later, you claimed something was fact because it was obvious, which is not enough. If something was obvious, then I would believe it as well, wouldn't I? But since I don't, then either it's not obvious or I haven't been exposed to the evidence that would make it obvious. In either case, you must state why that something is fact and provide evidence to support it.

5/3/2006 3:28:17 PM

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"Oh, like those "crazy NWO sites" exposing the truth about 9/11, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and many other issues? Yeah, they are sooooo unreliable and "nuts." Let's go run to the establishment sources in the MSM and academia for information--which are still covering up the truth on issues like 9/11, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and many other important issues."

i wasnt talking about those sites, im talking about credible research by trusted sources. im not talking about cnn articles or bbc or whatever. find me one historian, political scientist, etc. with a PhD or other credible credentials who has researched this and come to this conclusion. those are the people i typically trust.

5/3/2006 3:31:37 PM

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"http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/house_of_rothschild_final_warnin.htm"

Wow. The main purpose of this website is the selling of ojibwe dreamcatchers, yet you think that it is a serious source for historical analysis.

By the way, this is the only website on the internet that states that Sen. John Slidell was jewish. Interestingly though, he is buried in the Saint-Roman Cemetary near Paris. That doesn't sound very edomite to me.

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict. Please go read a book.

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"Debri from Flight 93 found miles away from main crash site"

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"CLAIM: "Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains," states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. "Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene." Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: "On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it--winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. ... The FBI lied." And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: "Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down." FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=8&c=y

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"Eyewitnesses see military plane flying near Flight 93 when it crashed"

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"CLAIM: At least six eyewitnesses say they saw a small white jet flying low over the crash area almost immediately after Flight 93 went down. BlogD.com theorizes that the aircraft was downed by "either a missile fired from an Air Force jet, or via an electronic assault made by a U.S. Customs airplane reported to have been seen near the site minutes after Flight 93 crashed." WorldNetDaily.com weighs in: "Witnesses to this low-flying jet ... told their story to journalists. Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever--alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 ft. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5000 ft. and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend." FACT: There was such a jet in the vicinity--a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft."--not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=7&c=y

But let me guess, we should trust your dreamcatcher selling website, but not a credible publications like Popular Mechanics. Now call it a "hit piece" and ignore it. Then call me a troll for responding to you.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

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"Lincoln immediately ordered a blockade on Southern ports, to cut off supplies that were pouring in from Europe."

He ordered a blockade after several states seceded in order to deny them the revenue of cotton sales, not to cut off European supplies.

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"This, together with widespread European aid to the Confederacy strongly indicated that the Crown was preparing to enter the war."

Well thats just plain wrong. It never appeared to anyone that the British would enter the war on the side of the Confederacy.

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"For this and other acts of patriotism Lincoln was shot down in cold-blood by John Wilkes Booth on April 14, 1865, just five days after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia."

Oh good Lord, please prove this. Please. I'm dying to see it.

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"Booth's grand-daughter, Izola Forrester, states in This One Mad Act that Lincoln's assassin had been in close contact with mysterious Europeans prior to the slaying, and had made at least one trip to Europe."

He was one of the more famous men of his day. Obviously he is going to travel and attract admirers.

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"Slavery was not the real cause of the Civil War. The Rothschilds (who were heavy into the slave trade) used the slavery issue as "a divide and conquer strategy""

Anyone who says that slavery was the cause of the Civil War has no grasp of history. Whoever wrote this falls into that category.

5/3/2006 4:35:11 PM

fuck edomites

I WANT TO BE AN EMODITE

5/3/2006 4:39:10 PM

Interesting snips from the New York Magazine article:

On what was in WTC Building 7:

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"What happened at 7 WTC might be the key to the entire mystery of September 11, contends Hoffman. The $500 million insurance profit made by Larry Silverstein is a garden-variety motive, but the list of 7 WTC tenants sets conspiracy heads spinning. To wit: The IRS, the Department of Defense, and the CIA kept offices on the 25th floor. The Secret Service occupied the ninth and tenth. The Securities and Exchange Commission (home to vast records of bank transactions) was on floors 11 through 13. The 23rd floor was home to Rudy Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management, his crisis center. If this wasn’t enough, the mortgage of 7 WTC was held by the Blackstone Group, headed by Pete Peterson, chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, stalwart players in any NWO MIHOP. In the 9/11 Truth cosmology, the destruction of 7 World Trade Center is akin to Jack Ruby’s shooting Lee Harvey Oswald. Seven WTC was the home of secrets. It had to go. http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index4.html"

The Office of Emergency Management in WTC 7 most likely housed information and records that would have exposed the entire operation for what it was. That information had to be destroyed.


On the testimony of WTC cleaning worker William Rodriguez, hearing an explosion in the basement of one of the towers:

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"On 9/11, William was late. Instead of mopping the stairwells on the 110th floor, where he almost certainly would have died, he was chatting with the maintenance crew on level B-1 in the basement. “I heard this massive explosion below, on level B-2 or 3. I saw this guy come up the stairs. The skin on his arms was peeled away . . . hanging. Then I heard another explosion, from above. That was the first plane, hitting the building.” http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index5.html"

5/3/2006 4:39:56 PM

there it is

the ignoring of the refuting facts that were predicted

just once, JUST ONCE, i'd like to get surprised

5/3/2006 4:42:10 PM

hhahaahha

did you make a copy

cause if you made a copy, we could watch that

THE FEDERAL GOV'T NEVER KEEPS BACKUPS OF MATERIALS

5/3/2006 4:42:42 PM

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5/3/2006 4:48:10 PM

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"Also, is there a difference between these false descendents of Israelites and people who just convert to Judaism?"

As far as I know, there would not be much of difference in terms of ideological/religious beliefs between racial "Jews" and a non-Jew who converts. That's a side issue, however. I've consistently said that certainly not all Jews are intimately involved in this conspiracy. Most probably have no knowledge of it. It is just a small faction of powerful Jewish Zionists. An elite group--including the Rothschilds, other Jewish banking families, and others.

5/3/2006 4:57:37 PM

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Hey! Here are some rich jews!"

5/3/2006 5:00:16 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/040506admitsdefeat.htm

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"Universal Admits Defeat, Removes Flight 93 Forum Crescendo of dissent on official fairy tail leads to wiping of website Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | May 4 2006 Universal Studios has admitted defeat in its efforts to re-package the official 9/11 fraud and has completely deleted its own forum after the website was hijacked by individuals posting truthful information about what really happened to Flight 93. We previously reported that Universal's forum moderators were deleting entire threads in real time deeming them, "inappropriate." "

Universal Pictures "United 93" Forum
http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

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"There are no message boards currently available."

5/4/2006 8:06:10 AM

More evidence Moussaoui is being framed:

http://tinyurl.com/p4fux

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"Judge Doubts Moussaoui's Claims About 9/11 By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer Wed May 3, 9:15 AM ET ALEXANDRIA, Va. - The judge presiding over Zacarias Moussaoui's sentencing told trial lawyers that she doesn't believe Moussaoui's claims on the witness stand that he knew advance details of the Sept. 11 plot. "I still think that Moussaoui was not accurate in a lot of what he said about how much he knew about what was going to happen with which particular buildings and when," U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema said during a closed hearing on April 21 outside the jury's presence. Transcripts of the hearing were released Tuesday. Moussaoui's bombshell testimony on March 27, in which he took the stand against the advice of his court-appointed lawyers and claimed a direct role in the 9/11 plot after years of denial, revived a moribund prosecution case. Defense attorneys have argued that Moussaoui lied on the stand either to inflate his role in history or antagonize the jury into making him a martyr through execution. Specifically, Moussaoui claimed that he and would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid were to have flown a fifth plane on 9/11 into the White House, and that he also knew the World Trade Center towers were targeted. Brinkema made her comment during a debate over jury instructions."

So Moussaoui denies any involvement in 9/11 for years. The government apparantly has a poor case with little evidence against him. Then, suddenly, Moussaoui takes the stand and "confesses" to a role in the attacks, reviving the prosecution's case. BUT, the testimony is quite suspect and even the presiding judge doesn't believe his testimony "confessing" to a role in 9/11.

Doesn't that sound like he was pressured into "confessing" to a role in 9/11?

And in case you don't know, strong evidence suggests that Moussaoui was framed by an impersonator at the Minnesota flight school.

5/4/2006 8:45:34 AM

give it up douche

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed already said that moussaoui had been involved. he was deemed too unstable to be part of the action but was in line for further operations.

i think i'll believe what he says over what YOU say

5/4/2006 9:44:23 AM

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"Universal Admits Defeat, Removes Flight 93 Forum"

Prisonplanet posted a link to the forum and a bunch of salisburyboys descended on it. If they are anything like you, then they are probably quite skilled at hijacking threads and turning them into irrational drivel.

Glad to see that you're back to

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5/4/2006 1:16:32 PM

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"PASTE"

translation---->provide actual evidence, including quotes from MSM articles

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translation---->refusing to be sidetracked by trolling

5/4/2006 1:20:51 PM

"far-right anti-government extremist", "conspiracy theorist whacko", "Christian Identitist", "White Nationalist and Separatist", "racist", "bigot", "intolerant hatemonger", "anti-Semite", "Holocaust denier",

5/4/2006 1:23:06 PM

translation---->provide actual evidence, including quotes from MSM articles

provide articles from sources with little to no credibility that come to irrational conclusions. acceptable solely because they support your position.

translation---->refusing to be sidetracked by trolling

ignore any evidence that contradicts your fragile world view

Let me ammend that:

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5/4/2006 1:51:06 PM

troll

5/4/2006 2:03:02 PM

Thanks for proving once more that you can't have a discussion without resorting to childish name calling.

You're quite the joke, little buddy.

I'm still waiting for you to prove your wild claims regarding the Civil War and the Revolutionary War with a site that doesn't exist for the purpose of selling dreamcatchers.

5/4/2006 2:35:24 PM

no, you are the joke dude

5/4/2006 2:49:15 PM

you a punk

you a fag

i break your back fuck you in the ass and humble you

5/4/2006 2:50:09 PM

What was that, little buddy? Unfounded slander?

Prove me wrong:

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

Same questions....24 pages later...

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

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"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Hey! Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

5/4/2006 2:52:28 PM

keep spamming
asking questions over and over that I've already responded to 2,3,4, and 5 times
it isn't doing anything
but exposing you as a troll and a joke
and bttt'ing the thread
what does that say about the official 9/11 conspiracy theory when you and a few other trolls are its main supporters in this forum?

5/4/2006 3:00:33 PM

WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU RESPONDED TO IN ANY DEPTH?

keep kidding yourself

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

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"By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?"

and no, you haven't answered that yet.

[Edited on May 4, 2006 at 3:02 PM. Reason : 666]

5/4/2006 3:02:15 PM

I've touched on virtually everything in that one big post you keep spamming
yet you keep asking the questions as if I haven't talked about those issues
it's an absolute joke
keep at it troll
it's good having enemies like you around

5/4/2006 3:05:42 PM

NWO Resistor-Warrior Class

5/4/2006 3:22:54 PM

Quote :

"Did you respond about his Pearl Harbor question too? If so I probably missed that too."

Still curious about this.

Also curious about what you think about the rest of my earlier post, but not really that important. For the most part I've gotten what I wanted to know out of you.

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"The American Civil War, in a very real sense, was the continuation of the Revolutionary war fought by our Founders against the Bank of England. The Civil War was planned in London by Rothschild who wanted two American democracies, each burdened with debt."

Sorry, forgot I had a question about this. How was the Revolutionary War a war against the Bank of England?

[Edited on May 4, 2006 at 4:21 PM. Reason : forgot I had another question]

5/4/2006 4:15:55 PM

"touched on" does not equal "provided compelling evidence".

once again you make a shit ton of claims with absolutely NOTHING to prove them.

5/4/2006 4:17:36 PM