and where i live everyone watches the Communist News Network

imho they're both horrible and NEITHER unbiased

p35!!!

[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 4:58 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2007 4:58:00 PM

what was the tirade about on FOX???

4/11/2007 5:00:19 PM

[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 5:05 PM. Reason : SHE NEEDS TO GO TO PRISON FOR A LONG TIME]

4/11/2007 5:05:08 PM

Quote :

"SHE NEEDS TO GO TO PRISON FOR A LONG TIME"

agreed .. i hope her life is ruined and that she suffers miserably until her death bed


fucking bitch

4/11/2007 5:41:25 PM

^well I wouldn't say that, but definetely 10 years or so would be sufficient.

4/11/2007 5:42:35 PM

'Bouts ta get payed!11

4/11/2007 5:49:19 PM

payed by whom, though?

4/11/2007 5:50:34 PM

I'd hit it

4/11/2007 5:57:12 PM

just read a little of what the Duke players said on CNN, "Injustice they never knew existed...."

didn't 12 people just get off death row because DNA evidence exonerated them,

didn't The former governor of Illinois, commute all the death sentences in the State (2000 or 2001). Because 2 year law students where finding horrid problems with their prosecutions

If rich white boys from a elite school don't know that there is injustice in america what are we gonna do? READ a newspaper damn it!

4/11/2007 6:12:05 PM

so what happens now? with the duke players legal options ... nifong will (should) obviously be disbarred, but what do you think will happen or could happen with her

4/11/2007 6:13:58 PM

apparently the victim's brother is still going with the story the players raped her.......do these people ever live up to the truth or is it always about a race thing?

^nothing....apparently Jesse Jackson is still trying to pay for her college education. Only in america, and only if you are black apparently


[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 6:15 PM. Reason : ,]

4/11/2007 6:14:18 PM

I think it's amazing how fast her picture got out there as soon as the charges were dropped.

4/11/2007 6:15:41 PM

Nothing will happen to her because taking action against her would "send a bad message to rape victims."

4/11/2007 6:16:35 PM

As was said earlier, I would really hate to know what would've happened if this scenario had played out with the defendants having less money and resources...

4/11/2007 6:19:55 PM

^Or had been black

4/11/2007 6:22:36 PM

^^ All other things being equal? I still think they would've had the case dropped. There was no evidence at all, honestly. I imagine this case would've been a slam dunk for even a public defender. It wasn't their lawyers that made Nifong mishandle the case, cause the accuser to change her story at random, cause an improper lineup to be used, cause the DNA evidence to clear them of any wrongdoing, etc.

I think I could've defended those guys and had the case dropped.

4/11/2007 6:26:11 PM

obviously the media played a huge factor in the way this case played out. slow news + the possibility of the poor/minority triumphing over the rich/white male caused a media frenzy. left wingers and minorities wanted to see these guys go down so bad that they were completely oblivious.

everyone left of center in the media and activist groups tried so hard to assault their character and destroy their reputation while treating this lying bitch as a saint despite any evidence.

4/11/2007 6:47:08 PM

^^doesn't understand how the system works...

4/11/2007 7:03:59 PM

surprised they aren't rioting in Durham


still pissed cause they didn't get their "OJ PRIZE"

4/11/2007 7:29:33 PM

Mark my words, some will say that this whole stinking mess was ultimately a good thing because it "raised awareness" and "got people talking about the issues." Statements with that type of message are already starting to circulate.

I foresee a cover story from some liberal rag with the title "Did Crystal Mangum Do Us a Favor?" or some such. And so it goes.

4/11/2007 7:45:25 PM

care to make a wager?

4/11/2007 7:49:58 PM

^ Me? About what?

4/11/2007 7:50:36 PM

about whether or not some "liberal rag" will have a title like "Did Crystal Mangum Do Us a Favor" or some such.

because I'm pretty sure most people not named Al Sharpton, Mike Nifong, or Jesse Jackson realize the extreme level of bullshit this entire ordeal was

4/11/2007 7:53:36 PM

^ Note well: I posted "or some such." In addition, there is already a statement that is akin to what I suggested would happen:

Quote :

"This matter has caused anguish for all parties involved; however, as a result, collaborations between North Carolina Central University and Duke University have grown stronger. NCCU and Duke engaged in some very important discussions and forums that enhanced our tolerance and raised awareness regarding race, class, sexual assault and athletic privilege [emphasis added]. Now that the investigation has concluded, let the healing begin and the growth continue."

James Ammons, chancellor of NCCU, which the accuser attended

http://wral.com/news/state/story/1269110/

You lose.

4/11/2007 8:00:11 PM

i can already see the article tomorrow in the news and observer putting some african american interest spin on this whole situation

mexicans kill white people while driving drunk and it is a "cultural excuse because its hard being an illegal alien"

african american falsely accuse white males and they are "commended for the positive changes they made for public awareness"

fucking liberal bull shit
call it what it is you know they would if it was the other way around

[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 8:06 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2007 8:00:41 PM

Quote :

"The accuser will not face any charges, Cooper added."

BULLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIT.

Quote :

"§ 14-225. False reports to law enforcement agencies or officers. Any person who shall willfully make or cause to be made to a law enforcement agency or officer any false, misleading or unfounded report, for the purpose of interfering with the operation of a law enforcement agency, or to hinder or obstruct any law enforcement officer in the performance of his duty, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.(1941, c. 363; 1969, c. 1224, s. 3; 1993, c. 539, s. 137; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 23.)"

http://www.parking.uncc.edu/ncgs/chap14.htm

4/11/2007 9:02:59 PM

Note well the following:

Quote :

"This matter has caused anguish for all parties involved; however, as a result [emphasis added], collaborations between North Carolina Central University and Duke University have grown stronger."

James Ammons

As a result of what? The lies that turned upside down the lives of three men, their families, and others? The political posturing? The hate-filled rhetoric? The threats? The quotation above is un-fucking-believable--and I guarantee you there's more like it to come.

[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 11:02 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2007 11:00:16 PM

Quote :

"I think it's amazing how fast her picture got out there as soon as the charges were dropped. "

you must not know much about the media.......

they have had her name, picture, life story all along and it's unethical to post the pic or name of an accuser in an sex offense related case. However after the charges are dropped it no longer matters. However I do feel CNN was in the wrong by not releasing her name and such after the charges were dropped.

4/11/2007 11:19:57 PM

I totally agree with everything said here.
This case should never have come this far, the only reason it did was b/c of the media, nifong, race tensions etc etc etc.

But people also shouldn't start thinking that most rape allegations are false.
(From my sociology Professors handout)
According to the FBI, in 2003, 5.5% of sexual assaults were determined to be unfounded. "Unfounded" includes cases when there is insufficient evidence, the victim decides not to follow through with prosecution, the victim repeatedly changes the account of rape, the victim recants and police are unable to locate the victim as well as when the allegation is found to be false.

Obviously people are innocent until proven guilty and no one should jump the gun like in this case. But accusers shouldnt be called out either until all the evidence is known.

4/11/2007 11:22:59 PM

i dont feel like reading through 35 pages, but if it hasnt been noted, the "victim" is on wiki now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Gail_Mangum

Quote :

"Crystal Gail Mangum (born 1978) is an African-American student and prostitute known for her false accusations"

ouch

4/11/2007 11:28:07 PM

j/k, j/k.... a little

PS: ^unless she was born in africa and moved here and was naturalized i'm pretty sure she's just black

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 1:05 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2007 1:04:35 AM

What stinks about this whole mess is that these guys can't seek any "real" retribution. They just had their lives flipped and paid a shit ton in legal fees and there really isn't anything they can do about it.

4/12/2007 9:13:25 AM

Quote :

"http://www.parking.uncc.edu/ncgs/chap14.htm"

God, did you just bring something from the law book from UNCC?


lol?

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 9:56 AM. Reason : nappy headed ho]

4/12/2007 9:56:35 AM

^^a civil suit wouldn't surprise me.

but it would be kinda dumb to bring one against the accuser. i could see one against the city of durham.

4/12/2007 10:24:49 AM

^^ ncgs means north carolina general statute

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-225.html

4/12/2007 10:26:48 AM

if anything, everyone (including the accuser) should be upset at how nifong and the police dept. really botched the investigation (not unlike the oj simpson trial)

4/12/2007 10:29:27 AM

they can't sue the city of durham, they had nothing really to do with it. D.A.'s are state employees.

4/12/2007 11:33:56 AM

^^^.....AH, i didnt see/know that. I just thought it was funny coming from UNCC

4/12/2007 11:46:54 AM

now theres a nappy headed ho

4/12/2007 11:47:15 AM

they can sue the police department though, if they have grounds for it.

i have a friend who was in a remarkably similar situation in which he was accused of rape by a girl with a long history of making wild accusations. He was being investigated (i.e. his file sat on a desk) for over 2 years before a trial date was set. 1 week before the trial date, the DA called up and said he was dropping all charges. So he spent basically his parent's retirement funds on battling false charges. He is considering suing the police department because of their investigation and for defamation of character because the cops slandered him in the media and to witnesses and other people during the investigation. Something similar might apply here.

4/12/2007 11:50:30 AM

WOOT A VICTORY FOR WHITE MEN EVERYWHERE!!!

4/12/2007 11:54:08 AM

damn she is a career criminal. if nothing else, read the bolded parts, esp the second and last ones:

Quote :

"Criminal history and credibility In 2002, she stole a taxi from a man to whom she was giving a lap dance. A high speed chase then ensued, and when the deputy chasing her approached the stolen taxi on foot, she tried to run over him. She pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of larceny, speeding to elude arrest, assault on a government official and driving while impaired. She was sentenced to 3 weekends in detention.[20][21] Lawyers for the Duke lacrosse players have said that Mangum was intoxicated and possibly under the influence of drugs.[22] Defense attorney Bill Thomas urged her to retract her statement, saying that the rape allegations were concocted to avoid a charge of public drunkenness. The Duke defense lawyers or media reports have said that: DNA results revealed that the woman had sex with a man who was not a Duke lacrosse player. Attorney Joseph Cheshire said the tests indicated DNA from a "single male source" came from a vaginal swab taken from the accuser. Media outlets reported that this DNA was from her boyfriend.[23] A DNA report released in December 2006 revealed that sperm from several males was found in the accuser's body and on her underwear; none of which was from any of the Duke players. Mangum has denied engaging in any sexual activity in the days before the assault, saying that she last had sex a week earlier. She also said that her attackers did not use condoms and ejaculated.[24][25] She had made a similar claim in the past which she did not pursue. "On Aug. 18, 1996, the dancer - then 18 years old - told a police officer in Creedmoor she had been raped by three men in June 1993, according to a police document. She did not pursue the allegations. The officer who took the woman's report 10 years ago asked her to write a detailed timeline of the night's events and bring the account back to the police. "Apparently she never returned," Granville County DA Sam Currin said."[26] The accuser told authorities that in 1998, her husband threatened to kill her. However, she did not appear at the court hearing and thus the charges were dropped.[27] The accuser frequently passed out while performing as an exotic dancer at the Platinum Club in Hillsborough, according to the former club manager. The former manager also stated that Mangum had to be dragged out of the establishment onto gravel either one or two nights prior to the March 13 party: "She was heavy. It took four or five of us to carry her outside. She was dead weight. That's how passed out she was. She never woke up. We could have put the scratches on her. That could be how she got them."[28] The former manager went on to describe the accuser as "a club employee whose problems with other dancers and customers sometimes made it hard for her to make money," citing an event in which she started to pull a female customer's hair.[29] According to the Platinum Club owner, the accuser danced at the club on March 23, 24, and 25. Those were the same dates she told doctors she was "in excruciating pain from the ... beating." The owner said the accuser did not say anything about being raped 10 days earlier.[30] Similarly, 60 Minutes released a video of her allegedly dancing at the club less than two weeks after the alleged incident, again leading to the media doubting how traumatized and in pain she actually was.[31] The strip club's security officer said that the accuser told co-workers four days after the alleged incident that she "was going to get money from some boys at a Duke party who had not paid her," adding that she essentially said, "I'm going to get paid by the white boys." The security guard did not make a big deal of it "because no one takes her seriously."[32] "

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 12:03 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2007 11:54:25 AM

Quote :

"apparently the victim's brother is still going with the story the players raped her.......do these people ever live up to the truth or is it always about a race thing?"

"these people" is probably not how they should be addressed, but you're right.... it'll always be a race thing. The whole scenario could have never happened, but because a black woman and white men were involved, then it MUST have occured.

4/12/2007 12:16:37 PM

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"these nappy-headed people"

fixed

4/12/2007 12:32:58 PM

Thats it, I'm calling Al Sharpton right now

4/12/2007 12:48:28 PM

The police department also did nothing wrong. The lacrosse players won't win that suit because the police followed the protocol. I'm telling you that they are not going to get adequate retribution here, and it happens all the time.

Their only chance is to try to sue Nifong, but even then they are going to have a tough time because they can only sue him to the extent he stepped out of his role as DA. They might have a shot when he became lead investigator, but it looks like a long shot.

4/12/2007 3:37:41 PM

IIRC, the police didn't follow protocol by having a faulty line up by including all the Lacrosse players and no other faces of white males to begin with...maybe it was at the instruction of the DA.

4/12/2007 3:45:49 PM

^^i think they'll sue the shit out of the university

4/12/2007 3:56:42 PM

hahaha, Nifong is sorry

He issued an apology today(the day before he goes before the board)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265688,00.html

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 4:02 PM. Reason : ;]

4/12/2007 4:00:42 PM

Well it's about time.

4/12/2007 4:15:37 PM