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"So how did this guy stay so fat for like 5 years stranded on an island?"

Technically, they weren't on the island that long, just a few months or whatever and then they went home. Then came back, which has probably only been a very shot time in the show.

It's probably been a lot harder for him to keep the weight for the how ever many years they've been filming. I imagine he has some decent cash flow now and could easily improve his "fitness level" (by way of trainers and nutritionists) if he wanted.

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"and i think these last 2 episodes have done a lot to disprove the idea that the alternate timeline has always existed"

How so? i'm not necessarily disagreeing, just curious as to what you thought stood out in that regard.

4/14/2010 1:41:53 AM

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"wtf was the deal with the trailer for next week's episode? It had Gene Wilder's crazy monologue from the scary tunnel scene in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory playing. What the hell was that about?"

I pointed this out and no one answered me >_> so I found the video and wrote it out:

There's no earthly way of knowing,
to see which direction we are going.
There's no way of knowing where we're rolling,
or which way the river's flowing.
Is it raining, is it snowing?
Is a hurricane a-blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing,
so the danger must be growing.
Are the fires of hell a-blowing?
Is the grizzly reaper mowing?
YES, the danger must be growing,
for the rowers keep on rowing!
AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT SHOWING,
ANY SIGNS THEY ARE SLOWING..
*people screaming, saying stop*
Stop the boat!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zail7Gdqro

4/14/2010 8:23:32 AM

I thought the whispers were for when the others were near.

First time in a while that I was sorry to see an episode end. Poor Desmond. Things seem to be going the monster's way.

4/14/2010 8:38:00 AM

^I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that.


And agreed on the whispers... they always seemed to come about when the others were about to attack or something. I guess it could be the dead folk trying to warn the losties or something but that's kind of a weak explanation.

Here is a list of times the whispers showed up:
http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Whispers

The only time it seems like it could be dead people doing stuff is when young Ben saw his mother outside the sonic fence. Since she was outside the fence though, I kinda figured it was Smokey anyway, not a dead person (Ben has shown no indication of being able to communicate with the dead).

4/14/2010 8:43:39 AM

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""and i think these last 2 episodes have done a lot to disprove the idea that the alternate timeline has always existed""

That's funny, I got the exact opposite from this episode... of course the other world always existing was my idea so that is to be expected.

A question for a while has been why was Libby in the mental institution, so to bring her back and have the answer be because she was aware of the parallel world could imply that was the reason in the island world as well. So if she was aware of this parallel world way back before they even crashed on the island, that shows it always existed. I guarantee they won't go back and give us an island world flashback that confirms or denies this... although in later episodes they could very well disprove my theory in other ways.

I'm doubtful if this was the original reason she was going to be in the mental institution. They would have either had to introduce the parallel world really early in the series, or leave her flashback all the way until this last season, even if she hadn't been killed off. But it's a fine explanation now... I like it even if it isn't how I interpreted it for the original timeline.

I agree though, the whisper thing seemed really rushed. It's an answer, but much along the lines of Roussea's flashback, just kind of thrown in there so they can check it off. Why did the whispers seem to accompany the Others? Why did they seem to signal someone dying or disappearing?

4/14/2010 8:52:31 AM

Well, we know Des isn't dead from the previews so sounds like he can just hang out in the hold and get the gang back together in hella-world.

4/14/2010 9:11:13 AM

BeerzNBikes


others


Did anyone else notice Desmond was noted as number 42 when at the mr. clucks? I forget, was Hume one of the names in the cave and if so was it number 42? I find it interesting since people are the numbers and care was given to show desmond as 42.

BTW how did Sayid sneak in and get Desmond? I'm glad they didn't waste an episode explaining it, but I am still curious.

4/14/2010 10:11:18 AM

no, kwon is 42.

4/14/2010 10:16:15 AM

^2 I was wondering if there was significance to Desmond's number, too. I'm guessing they're just assuming everyone knows Sayid is a badass and does what he wants


Can I just say something... I'm not really a romantic type person but I am loving all the ties back to the LOST couples. If Jin and Sun do not get reunited, I will cry.

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 10:16 AM. Reason : ^ oh nvm]

4/14/2010 10:16:45 AM

This just popped into my head this morning, so it may be completely off.

They keep referring to it all "ending". Im wondering if that means one of the timelines has to end, and someone will eventually make the choice on which one to end.

Like, if the smoke monster leaves the island, that timeline stops existing. If something happens in the other timeline, that one ends. Not sure what that something is, but was just a thought.

Stupid?

4/14/2010 10:32:07 AM

i'm trying to figure out what would happen in the regular timeline if John Locke dies in the alt-timeline. any ideas?

4/14/2010 10:44:42 AM

Probably nothing

Desmond was probably just trying to get Locke and Jack together

4/14/2010 10:48:58 AM

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"Like, if the smoke monster leaves the island, that timeline stops existing. If something happens in the other timeline, that one ends. Not sure what that something is, but was just a thought."

It's going to suck when in the last episode, the smoke monster gets off the island and then the show just ends because that's the end of the world

4/14/2010 10:51:36 AM

^^that is a good point too. my thoughts last night were that desmond was providing a near death experience so locke could see what his life is like on the island.

4/14/2010 11:00:45 AM

should be interesting when locke sees that in his other life his school buddy kills him

4/14/2010 11:08:26 AM

btw did anyone happen to get a clear look at Pierre Chang at the beginning when he was introducing Hurley? Did he have both of his hands?

4/14/2010 11:23:59 AM

Does anyone know what was in the bag Hurley found when digging in the dirt?

4/14/2010 11:27:19 AM

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Stones

4/14/2010 11:28:23 AM

^^I thought it was the ashes of Jacob's body that she recovered.

4/14/2010 11:31:16 AM

oh yeah. that could be it. i dunno. the stones were just the first to come to mind for me.

4/14/2010 11:32:13 AM

another fail episode

that whispers explanation couldn't have been any gayer

4/14/2010 11:33:22 AM

yeah! that was super lame. i kept hoping for a twist but no just gayness

4/14/2010 11:42:50 AM

i assumed the bag was the same bag that contained Jacob's ashes from when Ilana had picked them up. (it was her stuff hurley was going through)

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

4/14/2010 11:46:37 AM

Whatever happened to Nicki and Paulo's diamonds? Where they buried with them?

4/14/2010 12:20:19 PM

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"Desmond was probably just trying to get Locke and Jack together "

I thought the same. If Desmond had wanted to kill him, he would have done it differently I imagine.

4/14/2010 12:20:34 PM

^^ they were but then Miles dug them up to keep for himself

4/14/2010 1:02:58 PM

i fuckin love this show cause as soon as a character is no longer useful they get blown up.

4/14/2010 1:05:01 PM

Two things I thought about.

1. Michael said he is trapped on the island, similar to the smoke monster being trapped, and we know that michael worked with some entity in the past. Maybe Michael is still out for himself and convinced Hugo to meet up with Locke instead of blowing up the plane to assist smokey in getting off and thus ending his own imprisonment.

2. when asked what his son's name was Desmond quickly and confidently said Charlie. Even his aside self is connected to that name.

4/14/2010 1:10:15 PM

ehh, I think they were just jerking the fans off with Desmond saying his made up son's name was Charlie.

4/14/2010 1:39:01 PM

too late to edit, but i just read something that suggested Desmond may not have technically been lying when he said he had a son named Charlie. The idea is based off the idea that he actually knows he has a son named Charlie in the other reality. -- Makes sense assuming he does remember everything, which I think he does.

4/14/2010 2:34:56 PM

At the opening of the episode when they had the montage of Hurley's charitable projects, I need some clarification. I thought it said he opened "hospitals" and the image was of a building with the name "Box2" in front, which reminded me of the Locke/Hurley box company story. Did anyone else notice that? I'm going to check again

edit: yeah, definitely shows him standing next to a Box2 sign when it says hospitals

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 3:15 PM. Reason : confirmed]

4/14/2010 3:12:55 PM

I was thinking Charlie was the first name that came to his head because a guy named Charlie just drove his car into the water...

Just a thought.

4/14/2010 3:14:58 PM

^ I was thinking that, too.

4/14/2010 3:56:29 PM

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"That's funny, I got the exact opposite from this episode... of course the other world always existing was my idea so that is to be expected."

others have also emphatically insisted that it has always existed without any concrete evidence to back it up. it's not just you.

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"A question for a while has been why was Libby in the mental institution, so to bring her back and have the answer be because she was aware of the parallel world could imply that was the reason in the island world as well. So if she was aware of this parallel world way back before they even crashed on the island, that shows it always existed. I guarantee they won't go back and give us an island world flashback that confirms or denies this... although in later episodes they could very well disprove my theory in other ways."

i don't think it could imply she knew about the alternate reality in the island world. libby had to be written off at the end of season 2 because cynthia watros wanted out. i'm sure they had more planned for her character later and intended to explain how she ended up in the psych ward, but i always just took it as her temporarily going off the deep end after her husband died or something. i cant remember if they ever gave an indication of what year hurley initially went in, but if libby was there because of her husband it would have to be ~2001 or before since that's when libby would've given desmond her boat. so my assumption could be wrong i guess. i just don't think they'll try and make libby seem that relevant at this point in the show since she's been gone for so long.

4/14/2010 5:58:34 PM

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"BTW how did Sayid sneak in and get Desmond? I'm glad they didn't waste an episode explaining it, but I am still curious."

Sayid was hiding out while Desmond was having that test run on him by Widmore's people. when they were leaving that testing area, Sayid jumped in and punched a guy in the throat and told Desmond to come with him. Desmond was like, "ok" and just went with Sayid.

4/14/2010 6:01:10 PM

4/14/2010 6:02:36 PM

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"edit: yeah, definitely shows him standing next to a Box2 sign when it says hospitals"

so?

4/14/2010 6:28:10 PM

^Maybe I'm just overthinking this, but I found that the building Hurley is standing in front of is the same building Locke leaves when he gets fired from his job in "The Substitute". (When Locke tries to damage the Hummer and ends up meeting Hurley)

It just seemed odd that they would show that building and call it a hospital since Locke called it a box company (unless hospitals are in the box-making business). Not sure how that ties in to other things.

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 6:45 PM. Reason : added]

4/14/2010 6:35:18 PM

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"my thoughts last night were that desmond was providing a near death experience so locke could see what his life is like on the island."

I'm definitely getting a Jabob vibe from Desmond as he goes around "spreading the good news." I do think he has to get them to have a near-death experience (as he did in the water with Charlie) to become conscious of their Island-timeline memories.

4/14/2010 8:44:08 PM

^Erroneous. Hurley remembered everything without a near-death experience. He just kissed Libby. I think Desmond is hoping to reunite Locke and Jack and that, in doing so, each will help the other remember their island existence. Like the screen name btw...I, too, am Charger-crazy (but not because of Rivers; I was born in SD).

Here's what I'm thinking now with the reveal of the whispers...This is quite a change of tune from what I thought last week, but that's the beauty of this show--whenever a new answer is revealed (in this case the whispers, although the answer from Michael definitely felt a bit forced), it can change a lot. Anyway, Michael said that he's stuck on the island because of the things he's done (presumably so, too, are the rest of the "whispers"). So, maybe, those who do the RIGHT things on the island (i.e. Libby, Locke, Des/Penny) are rewarded with true happiness in the alt-timeline, and maybe Des is just trying to reunite everybody in the alt-timeline with those that will make them happy (which would fit in with Hurley-Libby) instead of trying to force them being into the island existence. Seems kind of gay, and it's probably a stretch, but just throwing it out as a possibility. I'm really just thinking of things in the context of Lindelof's comment that LOST is a love story.

4/14/2010 9:05:35 PM

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"So, maybe, those who do the RIGHT things on the island (i.e. Libby, Locke, Des/Penny) are rewarded with true happiness in the alt-timeline, and maybe Des is just trying to reunite everybody in the alt-timeline with those that will make them happy (which would fit in with Hurley-Libby) instead of trying to force them being into the island existence. Seems kind of gay, and it's probably a stretch, but just throwing it out as a possibility. I'm really just thinking of things in the context of Lindelof's comment that LOST is a love story."

to be fair, libby didn't really do much of anything on the island, and there's still the possibility that desmond could've lied to charlie that he saw claire getting on the helicopter with aaron. and desmond reuniting everyone so they could be happy kind of contradicts faraday's whole feeling that the reality in which they live isn't the right one.

4/14/2010 11:30:35 PM

^You're right...my only response to that is that maybe Faraday was, for once, wrong and this is the reality that they're supposed to be living in, but they're living it in the wrong way thus far. We'll see. Like I said, I still think that Des is probably just trying to get everyone to switch to their island consciousness, just exploring the possibilities after the whispers answer. If the people who make the wrong decisions on the island get trapped on it, what happens with the people who make the right decisions?

Also, remember that spoiler posted a few pages ago? **spoiler alert**






















and how all those people who've seen episodes that we still haven't still thought the alt-timeline was an epilogue? the other things that they said in that spoilers have come true--the whispers answer, ilana blowing up. just something to think about.






















**end spoiler alert**

4/15/2010 7:25:56 AM

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"^Erroneous. Hurley remembered everything without a near-death experience. He just kissed Libby. I think Desmond is hoping to reunite Locke and Jack and that, in doing so, each will help the other remember their island existence."

Hurley remembered things because he kissed Libby -- true, but Desmond also remembered things when he was in the hospital scanner. I think the folks without love interests will have to get their memories through some trauma -- like Claire when she remembered the name Aaron when she was in the hospital with Kate. So far with those in a relationship, only one side has remembered (Libby, Desmond) until they have contact (kiss with Libby, handshake with Penny).

4/15/2010 7:50:09 AM

I too, dislike the whispers explanation. I've become used to getting jerked around, lied to and manipulated, so when a reasonable explanation actually pans out, I feel disappointed.

4/15/2010 8:32:27 AM

i don't like the explanation because, if you read the transcripts of the whispers, they lead you to believe it's the Others.

4/15/2010 8:59:01 AM

So you guys are unhappy with the explanation of something on the show, because it isn't what you wanted it to be?

4/15/2010 9:38:34 AM

It's not that it "isn't what we wanted it to be"

It's that it doesn't make any a lot of sense given what we know about the whispers

4/15/2010 9:52:18 AM

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"I still think that Des is probably just trying to get everyone to switch to their island consciousness, just exploring the possibilities after the whispers answer"

I don't really see a point in that. I mean, maybe if it's not supposed to be "their life." But generally speaking, they all have pretty good lives in the alternate time line. They're missing their love interests, but once they're all aware of each other and have the memories from the island, they could seek each other out.

I think it will be more likely that they'll be fully aware of both, and will have to choose one.

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"true, but Desmond also remembered things when he was in the hospital scanner.......So far with those in a relationship, only one side has remembered (Libby, Desmond) until they have contact (kiss with Libby, handshake with Penny)."

That's not quite right. Libby remembered on her own - something triggered it, but it wasn't contact with anyone or a near death experience i don't think. the kiss with her caused Hurley to remember. Desmond remembered when he was in the crash. Unless I missed something, Penny isn't aware at all. Charlie remembered when he OD'd.

And keep in mind, Desmond first remembered during the crash. Then he had an MRI - which uses an electromagnet - and that triggered some memories. What caused it to begin with? exposure to a huge dose of EM. So it's easy to swallow that a small amount of exposure to an EM could cause some memories to come back. Touching Penny didn't cause him to remember more, it caused him to travel back to his island consciousness. - this is different than what happened to Hurley when he touched Libby, but Desmond is the only person we know to have actually done this at any point and it was the result of being exposed to a huge amount of EM.



Personally, I don't really care too much about the whispers and the explanation. I think it's just another "answer" they're dishing out to fans. Maybe I'm wrong and it will have something to do with the overall plot, but I'm doubtful considering how forced it was. I could have done without an explanation, but the one they gave was good enough for me if it was only intended to cater to those who need an answer to everything.

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"i don't like the explanation because, if you read the transcripts of the whispers, they lead you to believe it's the Others."

I just read the transcripts, and they didn't really lead me to believe it's the others. 1) well, it just doesn't seem like it to me. 2) they use names that The Others, didn't know/wouldn't know/wouldn't use.

[Edited on April 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM. Reason : .]

4/15/2010 10:17:10 AM

Last time we saw Charlie, he was in the hospital...
Last time we saw Claire, she was in the hospital...

bets on them meeting up next week?

4/15/2010 10:22:10 AM

I'm sure everyone is going to be at the hospital eventually

4/15/2010 10:49:00 AM