since when are zombies in stealth mode? when they do close ups, all you hear is the weird zombie noises. then when one rips apart a cow (and walks away? was he taking a dump or something?) he comes back and sneaks up on Dale. i just find it very hard to believe an emaciated zombie would be so quiet upon approach.

3/5/2012 9:58:25 AM

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"it is hard to stop at rape and say "no, that's just wrong"."

that's a ridiculous argument. it's not hard for me to stop there, but if it is for you, then okay.

i didn't speak up before about hershel helping carl bc i don't get on the internet and complain about every little thing i see wrong with a tv show.

3/5/2012 9:58:39 AM

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"This show is awful, yet compelling. But mostly, it's awful. Carl is a joke of a plot device. Hurr durr go to the house and stay there young man herp uh oh here he is running loose again what a surprise! Anyone seen Carl? Oh he's missing? Ok cool; he's probably just off doing what boys do in this crazy, mixed-up post apocalyptic world."

Why do people evaluate characters like Carl based on what they think a logical machine would do in that situation and not what a little boy would do?

I could totally see a little boy doing those things. I could also see a group of people pre-occupied with the decision of killing a man (on top of the daily concerns of survival) losing track of him.

Ithink it is true that a lot of bad decisions are made on this show. What really shocks me is that so many people on this board think they would never make shitty decisions in the zombie apocalypse when we all make shitty decisions without that excuse.

3/5/2012 9:59:32 AM

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"that's a ridiculous argument. it's not hard for me to stop there, but if it is for you, then okay. i didn't speak up before about hershel helping carl bc i don't get on the internet and complain about every little thing i see wrong with a tv show."

so now you're saying you actually thought hershel helping carl was a bad idea? just a minute ago you were not so sure if letting Rick and his group stay was a good idea or bad idea. At least this convo is helping you clarify your opinions. You should complain about things you don't like on the internet more often.

And I see no reason to say it is a ridiculous argument. The only reason you've offered for why murdering Randall is good is the intentions of the murderers. You support killing people you don't know or don't like with the good intentions of protecting people you do know and do like. So long as they didn't mean anything bad by it, its okay?

Well, if that logic is persuasive to you, then via con dios.

[Edited on March 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM. Reason : ``]

3/5/2012 10:07:40 AM

I haven't watched this weeks episode yet but my fucking cousin posted a god damned spoiler on facebook.

3/5/2012 10:14:15 AM

^^I'm not evaluating Carl, dude. I didn't say anything about Carl being unrealistic. He behaves as a young boy would behave. I'm saying he's a poor plot device. You would expect Rick, Lori, and Shane to give enough of a shit about him to keep an eye on him or have any number of the offscreen characters keep tabs on him (since, you know, there are zombies and stuff). But instead he disappears and wanders around and shows up in random places and gets into trouble time and time again. It's a joke that he is able to sneak into the barn, disappear into the woods, and show up at Dale's death scene all in the same episode. Well, it would be a joke for a well-written show.

3/5/2012 10:20:01 AM

Ah yeah, the stealth zombie made me laugh. Based on the zombie behavior shown throughout the show, I would have expected the zombie to just keep eating the cow until it's stomach literally burst, then still keep eating until nothing was left. There is no way a zombie should be able to "sneak" up on someone unless it's lungs have been ripped out and it is thus unable to make zombie sounds.

3/5/2012 10:25:26 AM

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"And I see no reason to say it is a ridiculous argument. The only reason you've offered for why murdering Randall is good is the intentions of the murderers. You support killing people you don't know or don't like with the good intentions of protecting people you do know and do like. So long as they didn't mean anything bad by it, its okay?"

okay this is the last i will reply to you about this because either you're retarded or trolling. i said i would have left randall on the fence. i would have shot in him the head bc i would have thought his injury was not survivable, and shooting him in the head would prevent him from turning into a walker. i wouldn't have brought his ass to the farm in the first place. and yeah if someone i don't know is a threat, then they're better off dead than me or one of my group. and just to reiterate, no it's not okay to rape people.

i don't complain about everything i see wrong with the show, and i could name a shit ton more, because of people like you who want to nitpick everything you think is wrong with my opinion.

i love this show. it's one of my favorite ones on tv right now. i'll continue to watch it til the end, whether the writers get their shit together or not. that's all.

[Edited on March 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM. Reason : can't type]

3/5/2012 11:39:19 AM

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"Also, the zombie that killed Dale was stuck in like 6" of mud. Carl motivates him to struggle out of the mud. Later, he rips open Dale's rib cage with his bare hands after eviscerating a 1000 lb animal by suddenly ninja-ing behind Dale in an open field."

Agreed, that was utterly retarded.

3/5/2012 12:30:49 PM

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"okay this is the last i will reply to you about this because either you're retarded or trolling. i said i would have left randall on the fence. i would have shot in him the head bc i would have thought his injury was not survivable, and shooting him in the head would prevent him from turning into a walker. i wouldn't have brought his ass to the farm in the first place. and yeah if someone i don't know is a threat, then they're better off dead than me or one of my group. and just to reiterate, no it's not okay to rape people. "

the conversation started because you said Dale's arguments to spare Randall's life from *murder* made him look pathetic and out of step with the situation. NOT because you said they should have never rescued him.

Also, the question isn't whether you should protect friends and family against a threat. I think we would all agree you should. The question is whether Randall represents enough of a threat that he should die simply because he is a stranger that associated with some *potentially* bad dudes. IMO it would be like capturing Glenn then murdering after you hear about the shit Shane has done.

But if you don't wanna talk about it that's cool too.

[Edited on March 5, 2012 at 2:21 PM. Reason : ``]

3/5/2012 2:13:44 PM

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"Also, the zombie that killed Dale was stuck in like 6" of mud. Carl motivates him to struggle out of the mud. Later, he rips open Dale's rib cage with his bare hands after eviscerating a 1000 lb animal by suddenly ninja-ing behind Dale in an open field."

On Talking Dead someone kinda brought up the fact that he Zombie could rip open Dale's stomach. The guy that directed the episode (Greg Nicotero) said his reasoning was that the zombie's hands were really boney so he could really tear into Dale's flesh.

I didn't think about the zombie's ninja skills, but that is a good point. I guess Dale just couldn't hear him over the swelling orchestra music.

3/5/2012 2:19:24 PM

That's fine. It's important to remind viewers of how dangerous even a single walker can be. It was just done very lazily.

3/5/2012 2:47:58 PM

Dale's eyes have never been wider.

oh wait, yes they have. they were always overly wide open. his character annoyed me, always. mostly it was his bushy eyebrows. they moved a lot with the eye-widening.

3/5/2012 3:26:32 PM

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"Because as I see it, once you start taking it upon yourself to decide who lives and who dies, it is hard to stop at rape and say "no, that's just wrong"."

That's a heck of a stretch. You're ignoring context completely. Deciding who lives (a boy is brought to a house with a gunshot wound accidentally caused by your man) and who dies (a guy who was with people who tried to kill you, you can't trust, you don't feel you have the resources to hold captive, etc.), is VERY far from deciding to rape someone because you want to have sex or because you want to torment someone or demonstrate your power over them.

Remember, they decided to not kill Randal originally. They were in the act of letting him go but then they found out that he likely knew where the farm was and could lead the people he was with (people who tried to kill them) back to that farm. ---- one of the biggest problems with this episode was that they never addressed him knowing maggie, the farm, etc. considering that was the ONLY thing that made them bring him back to the farm and further contemplate killing him. ---- A lot of thought, and context, went into the decision. It was not a whimsical, "oh hey, there's randal... I've decided to kill him today" thing that would make me very concerned that next week could be "oh hey, there's andrea... I've decided to rape her today."

Soldiers in a fire fight have to decide to kill the opposition. One side gains the upper-hand after killing x number of the opposition or gaining the necessary position, they then decide the battle is over and they don't have to kill anyone else at the moment. They made the decision that their lives were in danger, and that they had to kill people to survive. They then made a decision that they could control the situation without killing anyone else. By your logic (which ignores context), these men decided who lived and died, therefore these very same men are going to have a very difficult time not raping someone or seeing rape as being wrong. ---- that's a pretty big leap. I'm not saying you're generally wrong, but that comment is pretty silly.


The thing about raping the girls told us a little about the type of people they're dealing with. And the fact that Randal didn't/couldn't stop it tells us a little about Randal. Worst case, Randal is lying and for all we know initiated the rape. Best case, Randal is telling the complete truth and even though he didn't condone it, he didn't stop it and he aided in the sense that he was with the guys doing it. If Randal returns to his group, whether he would condone it or not, he could be forced by others in the group to tell them about the farm, the location, the group and then go along with and their wrong-doings against Rick's group. That makes Randal a very REAL liability to Rick's group. He's not just some random guy who was walking through on his own one afternoon and suddenly they were talking about killing him. And then you get into the discussion of can you hold him prisoner, can you ever trust him to be part of the group, etc. Which is what we saw, but it wasn't handled very well by the writers imo.

If this show was written better, it could really go into weightier things such as the Randal situation, the suicide situation, etc. That's the kind of stuff that could make this show more than a "zombie" show. What are the situations that could legitimately arise in this scenario that would make us seriously question ourselves and how we think of things. Unfortunately, the writers do a piss poor job with this kind of thing and sometimes it's better to leave those type of topics alone altogether if you can't really do them justice.

[Edited on March 5, 2012 at 7:07 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2012 7:03:27 PM

^ good post

3/5/2012 7:09:42 PM

Dale (the old guy...is that his name?) is such a fucking pussy.

LOL at Carl telling that woman that heaven doesn't exist and then she fucking loses it, classic.

3/5/2012 7:32:15 PM

Once it went to torture it's over. you have to take him out. Once you torture him your options are eliminated.

3/5/2012 7:33:40 PM

^ Exactly, he's going to hold a grudge.

3/5/2012 7:36:21 PM

I'm watching the show on DVR, man I hope Carol dies soon. She's awful.

I realized the only reason I'm watching this show now is so I can see theses characters that I hate get killed off.

[Edited on March 5, 2012 at 7:50 PM. Reason : ...]

3/5/2012 7:50:18 PM

Is socks using this thread as some sort of psych experiment? Dude's posts read like he's some sort of therapist trying to evoke deep inner emotions out of everyone

3/5/2012 8:41:58 PM

Yeah the socks and se7entythree dialogue made me want to sacrifice myself to the zombies.

3/5/2012 8:43:19 PM

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"The thing about raping the girls told us a little about the type of people they're dealing with."

you mean people like shane?

3/5/2012 9:46:48 PM

duro,

that quote sounds does sound silly if you rip it out of the context of the conversation. We were not talking about soldiers on the field of battle (where the danger is obvious and immediate), we were talking about a gang people holding a kid prisoner and deciding whether to murder him or not. So I'm not sure how you could possibly think that analogy is apt.

The rest of your post just seems to be stressing that Randal could possibly be a danger to the group. That's fine, but I never said other wise. The question is whether he represents enough of a threat to warrant being murdered and that isn't obvious to me. It also seems like you could apply the exact same arguments being used against Randal to say that Rick's groups are a danger to Hershel's group and that he should have denied care to Carl and kicked them all off his farm (Shane shot Otis and has more than once hinted that they should take the farm from Hershel--Randal is a potential threat, members of Rick's groups are a very real threat to Hershel). Yet no one was making that argument 6 or 7 episodes ago (at least not in this thread). I think that is kinda funny.

Anyways, all of this is a little beside the point of that sentence you quoted. The point I was making in that sentence (and the surrounding conversation) was specific to seventythree's claim that the rules of morality had changed. She apparently had strong feelings about what the new rules were, but it wasn't clear where she drew her moral boarders or why. But she has dropped out of the conversation so I see no reason continuing to talk about what she thinking with a totally different person.

[Edited on March 5, 2012 at 11:34 PM. Reason : ``]

3/5/2012 11:08:06 PM

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"Is socks using this thread as some sort of psych experiment? Dude's posts read like he's some sort of therapist trying to evoke deep inner emotions out of everyone "

I just think it is more fun to talk about the ethical questions raised by the story and not how much better the show would be if I was writing it (which seems to be 90% of the comments of late).

[Edited on March 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM. Reason : ``]

3/5/2012 11:20:58 PM

The way i read the comment, in the context of the discussion between you and seventythree was, that them (Rick + Hershel's groups) deciding between life and death for Randal was a step away from rape. I went back and read what you had posted, and I'm having trouble seeing it as much else. Sorry, if I'm reading that wrong. The concept of how i read it is really what i wanted to talk about.

Maybe the analogy wasn't perfect, but the analogy really wasn't that their world is a battlefield. The point of the analogy was that discrimination is used when killing in both situations. There's no reason to think or suggest that someone making the decision to kill because they think it's necessary for their best chances at survival wouldn't think rape is wrong.

I agree that their life isn't a "battlefield"... exactly, but it's far from the life we experience. They're going to have to consider and make decisions about things that they wouldn't in a normal life. That being said, culture in their situation would change. There could be people who are completely brutal, selfish and without sympathy, people who would live life as if they're in our current civilization and culture, and those who would cross certain lines in situations that they wouldn't have before the zombie-apocalypse. Considering how thought out it was, what they considered, etc., I believe it solidly puts them in the last category.

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"you mean people like shane?"

Yes, Shane's a piece of shit imo. Lori should have told Rick he tried to rape her when she was trying to get Rick to think Shane was dangerous and that something needed to be done instead of whatever nonsense she went on about.

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"(Shane shot Otis and has more than once hinted that they should take the farm from Hershel--Randal is a potential threat, members of Rick's groups are a very real threat to Hershel). Yet no one was making that argument 6 or 7 episodes ago (at least not in this thread). I think that is kinda funny."

You're right, Shane is a threat to Hershel. I think the difference for viewers (those posting) and why you don't see those comments about Shane is that we know Rick is there to keep Shane in check. Or at least he had with anything big up until the barn incident.

This outside group is different. A) they're outsiders to the main group of characters, and B) the characters in the main group have only seen the outsiders be hostile and violent. Rick's group came to be on Hershel's land in a much different manner than this new group. I'm not so sure Hershel would have welcomed Rick's group with open arms otherwise. And I'm fairly certain he told them initially that they couldn't stay. For the most part, Rick's group is composed of decent people and I think Hershel has seen that. Shane is a threat to Hershel, but Rick's group as a whole is not. And unless something drastic happens, the whole should win out when it comes to Shane actually moving on anything as drastic as taking over the farm.

The other big difference to me with Shane and Randal though is a numbers game. If you kick Shane out, he's probably just gonna go off by himself. He's not going to take on the whole group by himself. If you send Randal packing, he can come back with a group of people who are heavily armed and possibly pissed about you shooting their friends. Shane is dangerous to the group from within the group, I'm not so sure he's quite as dangerous to the group out on his own. Randal is dangerous to the group from outside of the group.

3/6/2012 1:25:38 AM

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"You're right, Shane is a threat to Hershel. I think the difference for viewers (those posting) and why you don't see those comments about Shane is that we know Rick is there to keep Shane in check. Or at least he had with anything big up until the barn incident. [quote]This outside group is different. A) they're outsiders to the main group of characters"

But from Hershel's perspective Rick's group is just as much an outsider. If anything, they are more of an unknown entity because Randal is at least from the same town and went to school with Maggie.

I agree that most viewers are probably biased to the group they've spent the most time with (Rick's group), but one of my points is that the arguments everyone makes for killing Randal are from that biased position and those arguments cut both ways. I.O.W. almost every argument about Randall being a potentially dangerous outsider could have been made by other characters whose help was critical to the group (like Hershel).

That would at least make me think twice about the arguments I was making.

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"Shane is a threat to Hershel, but Rick's group as a whole is not. And unless something drastic happens, the whole should win out when it comes to Shane actually moving on anything as drastic as taking over the farm."

I don't see how you (or Hershel) could be so sure about that. I mean, the group gladly went along with taking down the walkers in the barn. And they fell with Shane on murdering Randal. If I was Hershel, I would be real worried about what else Shane could convince the group to do.

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"The other big difference to me with Shane and Randal though is a numbers game. If you kick Shane out, he's probably just gonna go off by himself. He's not going to take on the whole group by himself. If you send Randal packing, he can come back with a group of people who are heavily armed and possibly pissed about you shooting their friends. Shane is dangerous to the group from within the group, I'm not so sure he's quite as dangerous to the group out on his own. Randal is dangerous to the group from outside of the group."

I'm not sure about that. If I were Rick or Hershel, I would def be worried about Shane not leaving quietly. Lori probably summed it up best. On some level, Shane thinks he is meant to be with Lori and to raise her baby. And I think if you stood between him and what he wanted, you won't come out unscathed (again, just ask Otis).

Randal also has the *potential* to be dangerous, but again Shane has demonstrated several times now that HE IS dangerous to people that get in his way. Maybe Randal could be more dangerous than Shane, but hey, maybe not. As a viewer, I am betting he will be a danger. But if I were living in The Walking Dead, I would need a little more convincing before I made him swallow my revolver.

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 2:17 AM. Reason : ``]

3/6/2012 2:15:01 AM

yea you are right, rick has done a great job keeping shane in check. After all, the murder and attempted rape happened before rick arrived on the scene.

3/6/2012 7:30:16 AM

Maybe I missed something, but who was tortured...and when did that happen?

I'm also a bit foggy on someone being raped. I don't recall this.

Can someone enlighten me please?

3/6/2012 9:27:54 AM

Randall was tortured by the hillbilly

3/6/2012 9:28:20 AM

^^randall told a story about some of his group raping 2 girls while they made their dad watch, but he allegedly didn't participate

3/6/2012 9:29:12 AM

didn't shane attempt to rape lori in the CDC?

i remember something happening

3/6/2012 9:35:49 AM

yeah, that too. i thought he was asking about the most recent mention of rape (i didn't read above his post, whoops).

3/6/2012 9:38:44 AM

Yes, he did. Which is partially why she's so wary around him.

3/6/2012 9:39:06 AM

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"But from Hershel's perspective Rick's group is just as much an outsider. If anything, they are more of an unknown entity because Randal is at least from the same town and went to school with Maggie. "

I don't think this is accurate. Hershel was "saved" by these guys in the bar, and I think he now considers them closer than strangers passing through

3/6/2012 10:52:17 AM

3/6/2012 11:10:44 AM

^^Evidence of that is his comments to Glen during the most recent episode.

^XD

3/6/2012 11:23:12 AM

DoubleDown,

I agree that NOW Hershel certainly trusts Glenn and Rick more than he did before (who knows how he feels about Shane and the rest). But that hasn't always been the case. The point I was making in that sentence is elaborated a little later in the post.

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"I.O.W. almost every argument about Randall being a potentially dangerous outsider could have been made by other characters whose help was critical to the group (like Hershel)."

Like I said earlier on this page and the previous: if you buy the argument that Randal should die because he is an unknown and potential dangerous person, then you should have been calling for Hershel to kick Rick and his friends off the farm from the get go.

So in that quote, I was talking about Hershel's perspective from when he first met Rick so I could contrast it to Rick et al's perspective when they first met Randal. I wasn't try to describe Hershel's current relationship with Rick and Glenn. This is bit more clear if you scroll up to my post before the one you quote, where I make it explicit that I'm talking about events earlier in the season.

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM. Reason : ``]

3/6/2012 11:37:52 AM

seems stupid to have saved the dude in the first place if they were just planning on kicking him out.

3/6/2012 11:47:34 AM

^^I don't understand how you can possibly think that the circumstances in which both groups were introduced to Hershel are even remotely alike. A guy dressed in a sheriff uniform running to the house with his son that was shot by one of Hersel's group members vs. a kid that is part of a group whose 2 members just attempted to kill Rick, Hershel, and Glenn, and then was immediately involved in a shootout attempting to do the same thing again. You consider both Randall and Rick et al to be equal threats under those circumstances?

Every post you've made in this topic has been a giant face palm.

3/6/2012 1:43:04 PM

^ did you seriously just suggest that being dressed like a Sheriff makes you more trustworthy in the zombie apocalypse?!!?!?! You do know Shane wore the same uniform as Rick, right? Lets ask Otis or Lori or Dale how trustworthy *he* is. Or maybe you brought it up for no reason.

Anyways, yah, Rick did come to Hershel with a kid that Otis accidently shot. But that makes him less dangerous how? Deceitful people can't have kids? Mean people can't ask for help? I'm not seeing the clear dividing line you want to draw. Rick had a wounded kid, Randal had a wounded leg. Please explain to me why having a wounded kid makes you less dangerous or more trust worthy than having a wounded leg.

The one legit point you make is that members of Randal's group do seem like dangerous dudes. But I have conceded that from the start. And it changes things very little. Like I said before, members of Rick's group are dangerous too. And they have only proven themselves to be more dangerous the longer they stay on the farm. More dangerous than Randal has proven himself to be thus far and I don't think any less dangerous than Randal's "friends" were at the bar. Which takes us right back to the question I've asked before. Why does no one seem to think it was stupid move for Hershel to take Rick's group in?

Now, I am not saying Hershel and Rick's decisions are identical (how could they be). But they are very similar. Similar enough that the arguments being made against Randal could have easily been made against Rick's group with very little modification. It is a difference of degrees, not kind. If you really think the situations are not "remotely alike", then you're watching a different show.

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ``]

3/6/2012 2:10:56 PM

Just when we think this show can't get any worse, they give us an episode like this.

Things were looking so promising after last weeks awesome episode.

I seriously have no clue what some of these writers are thinking.

It's like they just think of something and write it into the show without thinking about how it fits or if it even works

Writer 1: "I know, we can have a scene where Dale gets drawn out into an open field by the sounds of an attacked cow. Then, we can have a zombie sneak up on him out of nowhere and attack him! That will be so awesome. Yeah we need to write that in, it will be sooooo cool and unexpected. "

Writer 2: "Yeah but that doesn't really make much sense"

Writer 1: "Sure it does, its a zombie show and we have one killing one of the main characters, OMG it's going to be awesome and add so much dynamic to the show"

Writer 3: "Hey guys, I know that kick ass killing scene you two are working on is taking up your time, but we really need to get back into focusing on the main part of the episode and how deep and intriguing its going to be to spend the entire episode on whether or not the group should kill a guy that they had originally planned on killing in the first place. This just adds so much depth to the show, the viewers are gonna LOVE it!"

3/6/2012 2:11:12 PM

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[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 2:38 PM. Reason : ``]

3/6/2012 2:37:23 PM

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"yea you are right, rick has done a great job keeping shane in check. After all, the murder and attempted rape happened before rick arrived on the scene."

Touche. But I was more referring to situations in which Rick is present to actually deal with it. If Rick is off doing something and Shane tries to kill Hershel, obviously Rick can't stop him. If Shane draws a gun on Hershel while Rick is present, I'm fairly confident Rick's weapon would be pointed at Shane.

Rick has talked Shane down and several occasions. And in that sense, has kept in check where as Shane would have likely acted differently if Rick wasn't around.

3/6/2012 2:48:31 PM

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"Hey guys, I know that kick ass killing scene you two are working on is taking up your time, but we really need to get back into focusing on the main part of the episode and how deep and intriguing its going to be to spend the entire episode on whether or not the group should kill a guy that they had originally planned on killing in the first place. This just adds so much depth to the show, the viewers are gonna LOVE it!"

given that the last two pages are a discussion on exactly that, I would say they were right

3/6/2012 2:51:29 PM

The issue isn't that they chose to kill Dale. That's perfectly ok.

It's the lazy writing that they used to do it with that is the problem.

3/6/2012 2:56:57 PM

you guys do remember that the cow was making crazy gurgling noises too? It's not completely unfeasible that the loud gurgling noises from the cow may have covered up the gurgling noises from the zombie.

3/6/2012 3:11:41 PM

i thought the cow was a zombie and/or had a zombie inside of it initially

3/6/2012 3:16:38 PM

^^Don't give the writers that much credit.

Also, Dale's character was pretty aware of his surroundings and the situations.

He would more than likely have his guard up once realizing that the cow had been recently attacked.

But instead, the writers just had him standing there staring at it while some zombie sneaks up on him out of nowhere.

Then, as others have mentioned, they have it rip open his chest then give the reason that he had boney fingers and thats how he was able to do it.

The same zombie who was stuck in mud and barely had the strength/energy to free himself.

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 3:26 PM. Reason : ..]

3/6/2012 3:20:04 PM

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"Dale's eyes have never been wider. oh wait, yes they have. they were always overly wide open. his character annoyed me, always. mostly it was his bushy eyebrows. they moved a lot with the eye-widening."

Did you see that guy's nostrils? Pretty sure you could stick a corn cob up those things if you wanted to.

3/6/2012 3:24:43 PM

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"^^Don't give the writers that much credit."

why not? I'd much rather suspend disbelief and enjoy a decent TV show than waste my time watching it and picking every detail apart. Thats not fun and I don't understand the point.

3/6/2012 3:31:16 PM