he has a cannon of an arm though. i will give him that.

just a sophmore slump.

9/28/2011 3:45:23 PM

^ I hope that was all it was. I hope he is not the next Jerome Walton or Bob Hamelin.

Quote :

"Dudes on MLBN last night said Hamels wasn't going to pitch at all"

I heard on the radio this morning that they were going to work him in relief some. MLBN is a more reliable source and I hope they're right. Not that it really matters as the Braves could not hit little league pitching right now.

I hope Fredi goes with this lineup tonight just to mix it up:
1. Bourne
2. Constanza
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Uggla
6. Freeman
7. Prado
8. Wilson
9. Hudson

Maybe the speed at the top can add a new element. Can Hinske play SS?



[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 4:28 PM. Reason : sd]

9/28/2011 4:27:41 PM

Is that a serious question?

Hinske shouldn't even own a glove

9/28/2011 4:30:09 PM

^^You guys really need SS help after that superstar Escobar for Gonzalez swap last year?

9/28/2011 4:35:20 PM

^^ Come on man you know that was a joke. Yes I realize Hinske has the defensive ability of Big Papi or Travis Hafner.

^ What was so wrong about that trade? Gonzalez had a good season for the Blue Jays before the Braves got him and has been what the Braves could have expected - a .240 hitter with 20 HR power. His defense this year has been for the most part exceptional. Escobar was a whiny douche that Cox got tired of dealing with.

9/28/2011 4:49:25 PM

9/28/2011 4:52:38 PM

Is that directed at me or ndmetcal? If me, yeah I'm pretty at the Braves.



[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 4:55 PM. Reason : yu]

9/28/2011 4:54:52 PM

Who had a leaping catch at the wall to rob a homer this year: Hinske or Ortiz?

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 5:35 PM. Reason : http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19090127]

9/28/2011 5:33:56 PM

Quote :

"What was so wrong about that trade? Gonzalez had a good season for the Blue Jays before the Braves got him and has been what the Braves could have expected - a .240 hitter with 20 HR power. His defense this year has been for the most part exceptional. Escobar was a whiny douche that Cox got tired of dealing with."

You traded a 27 year old SS having an off year for a 33 year old SS having a career year (career year = .793 OPS)

This year, Escobar is back to being a 4+ WAR SS in his prime while Gonzalez is back to being a 1 WAR SS. On the defensive side, they've been pretty much equivalent. If Escobar wasn't in the Braves' plans, I have to think they could have got back more for him than a downgrade at the same position

9/28/2011 5:44:49 PM

You're overlooking Gonzalez's defense and the fact that no one in the clubhouse liked Escobar.

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 5:51 PM. Reason : Escobar's line at the trade: .238/.334/.284 ]

9/28/2011 5:47:22 PM

Lineup

ajcbraves David O'Brien
#Braves lineup: 1. Bourn CF, 2. Prado LF, 3. Jones 3B, 4. Uggla 2B, 5. Freeman 1B, 6. McCann C, 7. Diaz RF, 8. Wilson SS, 9. Hudson RH

Also said the braves are giving away tomahawks to the first 25,000....hopefully we get a chance to use them.

9/28/2011 5:51:16 PM

They'll have enough tomahawks to give 2 to each fan that shows up tonight.

9/28/2011 5:54:21 PM

or

9/28/2011 6:04:51 PM

Quote :

"You're overlooking Gonzalez's defense"

No I'm not. According to UZR, Yunel has been better defensively. According to bWAR, Gonzalez has been better by a very narrow margin

Quote :

"and the fact that no one in the clubhouse liked Escobar"

I can appreciate that fact, but again, if he didn't fit in the Braves' plans (for whatever reason), they couldn't have got more for him than a downgrade at the position?

Quote :

"Escobar's line at the trade: .238/.334/.284"

As I already noted, yes he was having a down year. As also stated, he is back to being the far superior SS of the 2, while being 5 years younger. Good thing Matt Kemp wasn't a Brave, or he would have been shipped out last year as well after his sub-par 2010 season


I just don't see why Braves fans are continuing to back that atrocious trade that has bit them in the ass this season. Who knows though, maybe Pastornicky becomes the Braves' SS of the future

9/28/2011 6:05:36 PM

This is such a weird fucking thing to be talking about. Yunel didn't cost the Braves the playoffs this year. He might have cost them the playoffs last year had they hung on to him. He was a pouty cunt that wasn't contributing on either side of the ball.

Quote :

"they couldn't have got more for him than a downgrade at the position?"

No, they couldn't have. Pastornicky might be ready by the break next year and there are no other SS prospects in the system. They had a shit SS they needed to replace and Gonzalez was the best straight-up trade (Braves also got Pastornicky in that trade, so it might end up being a really good deal).

You want to talk about bad SS deals for the Braves in recent years, talk about trading Elvis Andrus.

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 6:12 PM. Reason : Kemp's numbers murder Escobar's last year. And it had as much to do with his attitude as his numbers]

9/28/2011 6:10:13 PM

^ /argument.

Also LOL at that lineup. I guess since Blanton is a lefty, the Braves had to put Diaz in the lineup.

9/28/2011 6:13:40 PM

You'll never convince me that a trade that shipped out Jo Jo Reyes was a bad deal. Braves could have played with 8 in the field all season and no shortstop and I'd have called that a great trade.

9/28/2011 6:23:52 PM

Come one Hudson. Bring that shit tonight, we arent scoring more than 4

9/28/2011 7:03:17 PM

I am too scared to watch. This is some Braves shit?

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM. Reason : ;]

9/28/2011 7:14:41 PM

great start...down 1-0

9/28/2011 7:20:26 PM

Joe Blanton might throw a perfect game

jinx worked

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2011 7:23:07 PM

that was a close call, id say he was safe.

9/28/2011 8:01:23 PM

bullshit.



ehh. he came off the bag

9/28/2011 8:01:23 PM

W00T

9/28/2011 8:03:26 PM

fuck your weird ass scheme to get a win Hammels

9/28/2011 8:03:43 PM

3 runs? what the hell?

9/28/2011 8:05:11 PM

hah st. louis up 5-0 in the first already. if we hold onto this game and have to go play in st. louis tomorrow, as much as i love this team I would give us a 25% chance at best to win that game

9/28/2011 8:26:55 PM

piece of shit defense this inning

9/28/2011 9:07:54 PM

can we just forfit now? Even if we somehow magically win this game we have 0% chance of winning tomorrow night. This team is dead.

9/28/2011 9:08:11 PM

WTF Wilson? God this team is cursed. Seriously Wilson makes that play 99 times out of a 100.

9/28/2011 9:08:20 PM

fucking tailor made double play ball and we fuck it up.

9/28/2011 9:08:57 PM

reminded me of the alex gonzales error after the Bartman play, double-play that should have happened

9/28/2011 9:09:34 PM

Fuck yeah Victorino

9/28/2011 9:10:57 PM

9/28/2011 9:15:56 PM

Oh crap here comes Venters.

9/28/2011 9:21:08 PM

Quote :

"here comes Venters."

?

9/28/2011 9:24:50 PM

Come on Venters, STRIKE THIS MOTHER FUCKER OUT!



[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM. Reason : Ibanez about to screw the Braves again]

9/28/2011 9:31:17 PM

this pitching meltdown reminds me of Tom Glavine

9/28/2011 9:32:21 PM

Welp

9/28/2011 9:32:25 PM

THEN FUCK HIS SISTER IN THE CUNT!

9/28/2011 9:32:31 PM

^ thats not in the movie

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 9:41 PM. Reason : V it should be though.]

9/28/2011 9:33:00 PM

didnt know it had to be

9/28/2011 9:33:31 PM

Hell yeah. Time for Bourne to get on and score from 2nd on a bunt by Chipper.

9/28/2011 9:33:38 PM

damn that was scary..

9/28/2011 9:33:38 PM

Very nice

What's with the dumbasses wiggling the tomahawks

9/28/2011 9:34:02 PM

Quote :

"THEN FUCK HIS SISTER IN THE CUNT! "

funniest Curb scene ive ever seen. i cried laughing and replayed it 5 times with the same result.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRc6rSCcOIk

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 9:42 PM. Reason : FTSITC]

9/28/2011 9:34:45 PM

^ LOL. I had never seen the whole clip.

9/28/2011 9:44:12 PM

Dale Scott can go to fucking hell. Dude has done everything he can to help the Phils in this game. Piece of shit, do your fucking job.

9/28/2011 9:52:19 PM

oh great, Rollins up with 2 on

9/28/2011 9:52:36 PM

this is hard to watch.

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 9:55 PM. Reason : i mean not really, but i do feel bad.]

9/28/2011 9:55:27 PM