^were you the guy with the .22 that completely rocked the shooting demo?

1/18/2009 10:36:37 PM

actually i was using a 9mm but yeah i did pretty well on the range test...i kinda feared for my life out there though shooting less than 3 ft. away from some people that looked like they had never attempted to fire a gun in their life.
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[Edited on January 18, 2009 at 11:51 PM. Reason : f]

1/18/2009 11:50:07 PM

picked up an M1 Garand couple of weeks ago, goes well right beside the M1 Carbine I already had

1/18/2009 11:54:30 PM

Even with the prices on the ARs, a lot of them did go out the door today as well. I saw a single stripped lower for about $275, at least it was Smith & Wesson (I realize that they're all investment castings and virtually the same).

SKSs were $550 unissued, AK pattern rifles were $1000, and ARs were in a broad range from $1200 to $1800.

A few months ago $300 would get you a complete lower assembly.

1/19/2009 2:04:19 AM

G/f bought an AR yesterday at the show. The guy from Rocky Point was selling Del-Ton rifles for $825 and Del-Ton kits on Superior Arms lowers for $899.

I'd be surprised if he went home with any of those, considering that every other AR I looked at there was priced between 50-100% higher than it was worth. 12-1500 was the average. Some were almost 2k or more which is fucking nuts for a damn stock AR rifle.

1/19/2009 2:47:43 AM

Quote :

"i need some more 7.62X54 rimmed stripper clips, the steel ones. Need 10 more, they run 2-3 per clip, willing to pay $34 for them."

I picked up an M44 at the show and a bag of surplus ammo, you wouldn't happen to have any non-corrosive (brownbear i'm guessing?) cartridges would you?

1/19/2009 6:17:08 AM

I should be getting my pistol permit any day this week and after browsing the gun show and pricing, I'm thinking about picking the XD9 4" subcompact as my first handgun for sport shooting. I'm guessing I can't purchase any more pistols without getting additional permits, is that correct?

[Edited on January 19, 2009 at 6:19 AM. Reason : ]

1/19/2009 6:18:55 AM

Nope, you need a permit for each pistol you buy.

I picked up 3 permits a few months ago when I wanted to buy my Sig 9mm.

I had 2 permits left, and bought a Sig Mosquito .22 pistol yesterday at the gun show

1/19/2009 7:31:42 AM

I got 2 M91 rifles at the show, and got 1600 rounds of surplus ammo, 800 rounds per crate, sealed in the lead and tin inner boxes. Its 86 headstamped, brass or copper washed steel case. I just assume corrosive on all com block surplus ammo, even brand new stuff.

1/19/2009 10:30:29 AM

I should have bought 8 lbs of blue dot... I know I should have...

1/19/2009 3:32:59 PM

I haven't had good luck with Blue Dot.
I've used it in 9mm 357/38 spcl. It never burns completely regardless of charge, primer, or crimp. There's always a lot of unburned powder that would gunk up the action if I shot more than 200 rounds.
What do you use Blue Dot in?

I do like Unique for 9mm and 357. Heck, I like it in reduced 480 Ruger loads too.
It burns completely. It does leave some graphite like residue, but that isn't a problem.

1/19/2009 4:15:59 PM

got a question for you reloaders...

I am reloading .45 ACP and I have some berry's bullets 200 gr swc's and if I cycle the rounds through the gun a couple times it pushes the bullets into the casing...I am crimping the hell out of them (or at least I think I am)

any advice?

1/19/2009 4:19:56 PM

My advice: stop doing that.

You will get bullet setback in almost any autoloader if you repeatedly chamber a round.
Do it enough with the wrong load and you'll drive the pressure up when that bullet finally gets fired (that could be horribly bad).

Having said that, the bullet shouldn't setback with just one chambering.
If that happens then you have an issue with the crimp or possibly with the gun itself.

You didn't say if what exactly these bullets were, but I assume they're lead or copper plated lead.

Here's a list of things to look at with bad bullet tension:
-Are your cases clean before you load them? Some people use case lube in pistol cartridges and any case lube can cause problems.
-Are you crimping enough? (this isn't the problem since you said you're crimping the hell out of them)
-Are you crimping too much? If you crimp too much then you may be deforming/squeezing down the bullet. The brass doesn't deform at the same rate so once you crimp too much your bullet gets small but your brass doesn't get as small. That leaves you essentially with even less tension. This is especially true with lead or copper plated lead bullets.

Try to load some without crimping at all then try it with just a very light crimp.
When I load auto cartridges I typically crimp just enough to push the expanded lip of the case straight. That doesn't really add crimp, I just want to make sure lip of the case doesn't catch anything and cause feeding issues.

1/19/2009 4:39:41 PM

they are copper plated bullets, the cases are clean with no lube...and yeah I don't feed them through a bunch because of reasons you mentioned but they go back with just one feed (not a ton but enough). I think it might be the crimp die or the bullets. I am using Lee dies which I know aren't the best but the other dies work just fine.

I will try out a few more things and see if I can figure it out....they still shoot fine, I am just trying to get the best OAL because I have had a feeding issue with my 1911.

1/19/2009 4:44:42 PM

I assume you're using the Lee 4-die set with the separate taper crimp die?

If you're crimping at all with the seater, first try to back it off so it's not touching the case mouth. Set your taper crimp die so that it just barely reforms the brass edge and see if you can push it in with your finger. If you can, something is way out of spec, so check that you are properly sizing your cases.

Taper crimp dies are specifically for autoloaders and are NOT designed to improve bullet retention. They are designed to smooth the transition between the projectile and the case to improve feeding.

A roll crimp is designed to retain a bullet, unlike a taper crimp. The bullet seater die can be adjusted to add this kind of crimp. Read your directions if you're not sure how to set that up. It's generally not a good idea with plated bullets in particular, which should have enough tension to keep themselves in place without a crimp.

1/19/2009 5:00:39 PM

Quote :

"I haven't had good luck with Blue Dot. I've used it in 9mm 357/38 spcl. It never burns completely regardless of charge, primer, or crimp. There's always a lot of unburned powder that would gunk up the action if I shot more than 200 rounds. What do you use Blue Dot in? I do like Unique for 9mm and 357. Heck, I like it in reduced 480 Ruger loads too. It burns completely. It does leave some graphite like residue, but that isn't a problem."

I haven't used Blue Dot, but it has been highly recommended to me by another reloader for 357. I am currently using 2400, which has the same problems you mentioned with Blue Dot. I even had problems with the cylinder not closing because a few kernels of unburnt powder were lodged behind the ejector plate. I guess those loads don't matter anymore because they all were stolen. I have more brass and bullets now, still have most of the pound of 2400 and I do have 1 pound of Unique. The small charges used in 38/357 of unique have caused me to be wary of it due to the large amount of empty case volume (even 2400 has a lot of empty case, damn those BP case designs), which I have heard can cause excessive SD in muzzle velocity.

So you believe I should try some Unique loads as well for the .357? I guess the advantages of a load with Unique would be a reduction in recoil over those with 2400.

1/19/2009 6:23:25 PM

Who's got the cheapest reloading supplies?

I'm just looking to reload some plinker rounds for my 9mm. I have some brass saved up, but pretty much need everything else. My roommate has a reloader, and I'm prolly gonna pick up a Lee 9mm die.

Anywhere cheaper than MidwayUSA for lead, primers, etc.?

1/19/2009 10:57:05 PM

Quote :

"So you believe I should try some Unique loads as well for the .357? I guess the advantages of a load with Unique would be a reduction in recoil over those with 2400."

Unique is great in the 357 except you can't get full magnum velocity because it burns too fast.
I don't worry about the case capacity issues. I put a bullet on top of each case right after charging it so I know I won't double charge. Also Unique will burn fine in all but the lightest reduced loads. I've loaded 357 mag cases with 125gr bullets so slow that it felt like shooting a lightweight 22. Only then did I get a noticable amount of velocity variation.

^Don't buy powder or primers from midwayusa unless you were going to spend $texas or if you were going to share an order with someone to make one $texas order.
The hazmat fee will eat your wallet up.
Natchezss.com has reloading equipment and supplies too and sometimes has very good deals. They're often a few pennies cheaper than midway but midway's interface is so much better.
Internet shops are the best for everything except for hazmat stuff (primers and powder).
The best for primers and powder is the gun show. Some brick and morter shops have that stuff but the selection will be limited.
If you're near jacksonville then there;s Flatwoods Outfitters in Hubert.
Every other shop in and around raleigh will be overpriced.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 12:28 AM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 12:24:44 AM

So I'm just curious, what are the conditions for the shooting demo in that CC class?

1/21/2009 10:29:49 AM

^^Young Guns in Apex has a decent selection of powder, but it's about 10-15% more than gun show prices. I used to buy from there in a pinch, but I've recently started buying by the jug.

If you want to try a pound but don't want to wait for the next show, it's not bad markup, but expect to pay an extra $2-4/lb over most places.

1/21/2009 10:44:36 AM

I've been using Unique in 357/38 loads as well and can echo Fumbler's sentiments.

1/21/2009 3:42:36 PM

AR stripped lowers

where to get, today? mail order, internet, shops?

1/21/2009 3:48:54 PM

check PDHSC. they sometimes have a few that are not already spoken for.

1/21/2009 3:58:31 PM

Where's the cheapest place to get an XD9, other than gunbroker right now? I saw a 4" one at the gun show for $479, I think it's $510 at PDHSC and $580 at Davi's

1/22/2009 12:32:10 AM

^I bought one on TWW about 3 months ago...it wasn't too bad. I would go to Jim's Gun Shop in Garner. He will be the best prices.

1/22/2009 9:25:20 AM

^^XD-9 at PDHSC is like $480 OTD. Just bought one.

1/22/2009 9:47:25 AM

I'll second Jim's, he's a good guy, and prices were quite reasonable for what I needed.

Actually finding his store is the fun part though.

1/22/2009 9:58:53 AM

haha i can remember the first time i went to his "shop"


i drove up and down that road 3 times before I called the number I had for him... had to explain to me that it was a building behind a house

1/22/2009 10:42:40 AM

Not that this is a particularly surprising development, but at least it's official now:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Quote :

"Crime and Law Enforcement ...... ........ * Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures (still vague and nebulous) that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. "

also anybody know anything about my question ^x9

1/22/2009 4:14:56 PM

So basically, in not so many words, he and his cronies want to:

1) Turn a background check system and sales records into a database of every LEGAL gun owner (because illegal owners buy their guns from shops that do background checks and keep detailed records...),

2) Prevent face to face, individual sales of guns between LEGAL owners (see above),

3) Force manufacturers to incorporate devices into weapons that almost always adversely affect function and reliability (folks who understand personal responsibility need not apply...), and

4) Limit LEGAL ownership of weapons that contain mere ergonomic and safety features found in military weapons, while remaining functionally similar to most otherwise legal guns in existence. (because those evil collapsing stocks, flash hiders, and standard capacity magazines kill babies on sight. It's for the children)


Yep, this is the kind of idiotic, mindless "change" over half this country got suckered into voting for. They're all about protecting your constitutional rights - the ones that don't keep them in check, anyway.

[Edited on January 22, 2009 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2009 4:42:33 PM

^ yep that is basically it

1/22/2009 5:48:48 PM

^^

1/22/2009 6:02:30 PM

Fucking hell. I hate this shit.

1/22/2009 6:16:33 PM

yep

1/22/2009 7:02:10 PM

isn't there enough other shit that they should be worrying about?

like the 10.6 fucking trillion dollars of debt???

and the international opinion of us as whole??

or the genocides worldwide of innocent people??



this reaaaally makes me upset....

1/22/2009 8:00:53 PM

then do something about it.

call your congresspeople. tell them you're madder than hell and you want this unamerican activity stopped.

1/22/2009 9:42:58 PM

or just join NRA to give them more money to lobby with. not like ive gotten around to it, but im just saying. i wouldnt be all too upset with a few changes, but MAKING manufacturers put unreliable locks on guns, etc i would probably take issue with.

1/22/2009 9:53:12 PM

Now is the time to write your lawmakers and to join the NRA or the JFPO. s&W revolvers have that damn lock now and springfield has the ILS on their 1911s, maybe that will pacify the grabbers. what we need is less stupid people doing dumb shit and then blaming it on a gun.

1/22/2009 10:09:45 PM

Don't forget, Obama is done w/ the lobbyist

1/22/2009 10:13:03 PM

Would anyone be interested in having a person come and 'train' us for Utah and Florida non-resident permits?
This would give you reciprocity in 35 states.

The cost would be per person:
$150 for the course
$117 for Florida (good for 5 years)
$62.25 for Utah (good for 5 years)
$10 for fingerprint cards at Sheriff's office
$?? for drivers liscence photo
Total: $339.25

If enough of us get in on this, then the price can go down.

If you are interested please PM me so I can start a list. We would need 15+ people to make this happen. This would take place in about 2 months, or sooner if we get enough people fast enough.

1/22/2009 10:17:30 PM

Does the NC permit not have reciprocity? Is that the advantage of this over just taking a course here?

1/23/2009 12:33:47 AM

http://www.ncdoj.com/law_enforcement/cle_handguns_reciprocity.jsp

Currently, NC has reciprocity with 30 other states.

1/23/2009 8:13:38 AM

It would get you 5 more states, and is nice if you travel.

1/23/2009 9:41:16 AM

5 extra states isn't worth $340. i could accept $50-100.

for $340, i should get CA, NY, and NJ too.

Quote :

"Both Utah and Florida will issue a Concealed Firearm Permit to Non-Residents. These Permits are valid in over half of the United States. This is a great benefit for all law-abiding citizens including Military Personnel that are stationed out-of-State or frequently travel across Country. If you travel to, or through twenty-eight different States, these "Multi-State" CCW Permits are valid through Reciprocity Agreements or Recognition via State Laws. Because Utah and Florida are Shall Issue, "Right to Carry" States, you do not need to articulate a valid Reason, nor do you have to prove that you are valuable enough to need protection. Your natural instinct for self-preservation and the desire for a viable means to defend yourself from a violent criminal attack are simply understood as the most basic of your human rights. Any law-abiding citizen with a valid Utah CCW Permit, even a Non-Resident of Utah, may legally carry a Concealed Firearm in the following 27 States: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wyoming. While some States have Reciprocal Agreements, others will honor out-of-State CCW Permits based on their own Concealed Firearms Laws."

[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 9:51 AM. Reason : i]

1/23/2009 9:48:30 AM

Just remember to look at ever States CCW restrictions. You would be surprised how many don't. I still think the laws here in NC make CCH a little to much of a burden.

1/23/2009 1:59:43 PM

For 340 dollar bucks, you pick up additional reciprocity with:
Nevada
New Mexico
Vermont
Wyoming


If the course cost and Florida's fees were lower it might be viable, but I can't see spending the cash unless I traveled specifically to any of those places on a regular basis.

FWIW, Utah gets you everything but NM. If you only wanted VT, NV, and WY, you could do just the UT permit. You're looking at roughly $220 for that route. The course itself is still the relatively overpriced component.

1/23/2009 2:03:44 PM

^^yeah, i'd get mine, except that i wouldn't actually be able to carry anywhere.

[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 2:08 PM. Reason : mostly i'd just want to keep it in my car, and the worst problems are caused by base regs.]

[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/23/2009 2:08:08 PM

I am traveling over the summer, and would greatly benefit from the NV and NM.

1/23/2009 4:34:28 PM

Quote :

"For 340 dollar bucks, you pick up additional reciprocity with: Nevada New Mexico Vermont Wyoming"

I thought Vermont had no ccw laws at all, so you're really only getting three states. Maybe I'm wrong though.

1/24/2009 12:09:25 AM

WolfAce, I don't know if there's a specific way for all courses to teach the marksmanship portion of the CC course, but I thought I saw there's a general guideline out there somewhere.

Our instructor had 5,3,1 yard settings with 5-8 drills. 40 rds minimum on the 2' by 4' silhouette target. Each drill the time gets lower and the target is closer.

It was/is extremely easy for 95% of the people in there, and definitely anyone who has ever handled a pistol before. The 2 people that issues in my class were a MILF who brought a stainless 1911, couldn't hold it very well, and missed like 20 shots; and another guy I couldn't see but basically couldn't aim very well / hold his stance after the first shot on each drill. I wouldn't sweat it. Oh yeah you had to hit the PAPER target, not even the silhouette to pass.

1/24/2009 1:01:34 AM