If it was one or two little things, then fine. So be it.

But they constantly do it.

The writing is lazy.

It's turning a once great and promising show into a pile of shit because the writers are basically putting no thought or reason into half the shit they are doing.

After awhile, all those little things begin to add up.


Take Breaking Bad for example.

Excellent show with excellent writing.

Are there a few minor things here and there that we let slide?

Sure.

But when you have a superbly written show like Breaking Bad, which is basically awesome all around, you are allowed that. And we can overlook them. Hell, I honestly can't even think of that many instances of mistakes like the ones made in TWD.

The Walking Dead is not good enough to be consistently doing shit like this, especially when it distracts from the show.

They aren't just making little mistakes that get overlooked, its just bad writing done by bad writers.

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 3:57 PM. Reason : m]

3/6/2012 3:51:37 PM

Nobody's forcing you to watch it. If it's that much of a chore, find something else to do.

3/6/2012 4:16:21 PM

So, is the cow gonna turn into a zombie?

3/6/2012 4:25:18 PM

^Mazzara said no to someone on twitter, that animals don't become zombies.

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 4:28 PM. Reason : sp]

3/6/2012 4:28:29 PM

^^It's still interesting and I enjoy it for the most part, even as bad as it is.

I have the right to complain about it.

I also feel invested in the show, and want to see how it turns out, even if parts of it are unwatchable.

3/6/2012 4:29:14 PM

true, I just feel if a show every annoyed me enough to write a 200 word diatribe on how much it pissed me off I'd just stop watching. There's a group of people on here that love to bitch about the dumbest shit (guns didnt recoil, revolver fired 7 shots and only holds 6, how would a zombie sneak up on someone) and I just don't understand the point.

on a side note slow moving zombies can only kill a human two different ways, either trapping them or surprising them. In order to surprise them a zombie is gonna have be some measure of either stealthy or hidden, in order to trap them a human is going to have to make some sort of stupid mistake/decision. might as well accept that unless you dont ever want a zombie to kill a human.

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2012 4:35:26 PM

Quote :

"It's turning a once great and promising show into a pile of shit because the writers are basically putting no thought or reason into half the shit they are doing."

It was never great.

3/6/2012 4:37:56 PM

The first couple of episodes were pretty great IMO.

3/6/2012 4:40:31 PM

the first episode was great

3/6/2012 4:48:46 PM

As usual in Entertainment, the term "great" is thrown around extremely loosely.

3/6/2012 5:49:34 PM

OPINIONS DERP DERP DERP DERP

3/6/2012 5:52:25 PM

It sucks watching an episode two days later then trying to read through two pages of BLOCKS OF PARAGRAPHS. It was stupid of Rick to save that kid in the first place. They were in danger of being overrun with walkers and this dude had a fence post through his leg.

3/6/2012 7:19:24 PM

this show needs a little more badass




[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 7:39 PM. Reason : f]

3/6/2012 7:38:42 PM

3/6/2012 8:00:55 PM

Lots of stupid in this thread lately, especially by Dale Socks``

So let me add to it.

(also glad for duro982's intelligent post in response to this thread's Dale)

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Zombies are quiet until they see a human. They showed that with this zombie in particular with the little retard in the woods. Maybe Dale walked past it, then it realized he was near the cow and got noisy. Maybe Dale snuck up on the zombie...that's impossible!...oh wait Carl did it already

Zombies also commonly rip people's stomachs open. It opened his abdominal cavity, not rib cage. Several movies do this. You don't have to dig too hard to assume that a zombie could also open up a cow's stomach (pun? maybe?)

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Quote :

"Also, Dale's character was pretty aware of his surroundings and the situations. "

Dale just ran out of a group meeting where he cried his bitch tears out. Lots of thoughts running through his head. He was staring at the ground the whole time, not acting like he was on patrol, and didn't look up until he heard the gurgling cow.

Quote :

"He would more than likely have his guard up once realizing that the cow had been recently attacked."

He did...for about 2 seconds before he turned around to take in his surroundings before the zombie got him.

Overall, I enjoyed this episode. I saw some posts in here about how horrible it was but I came out pleased in the end. I especially liked how they played that Dale was wanting to save the human, and in the end pleading to be killed himself...and it was really eery to think about how he was still very much alive while everyone around was mourning his death already

[Edited on March 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM. Reason : ^It would be a pretty awesome twist if he was the head of the marauder group]

3/6/2012 9:16:41 PM

Quote :

"a kid that is part of a group whose 2 members just attempted to kill Rick, Hershel, and Glenn,"

actually, they killed 2 members who seemed threatening, they never actually did anything or even made direct threats, unless i'm remembering something wrong. then these other members come to find their buddies to find out some guys killed them?

we currently KNOW that our group has a psycopath murderer and attempted rapist who the group allows to carry on, this other group is just bad by anecdote and assumption.

av club or grantland had a great review discussiong how rick is this great leader, but is basically the worst decision maker ever. he hems and haws about EVERYTHING and almost always seems to make a decision that puts everyone in danger.

3/6/2012 9:47:35 PM

So much anger in this thread...

3/6/2012 10:41:46 PM

The way a lot of scenes have been shot this season have led to a lot of confusion as to what really happened. Bring back Darabont

3/6/2012 10:51:06 PM

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"actually, they killed 2 members who seemed threatening, they never actually did anything or even made direct threats, unless i'm remembering something wrong."

I believe Rene from True Blood started to draw his gun on Rick and that's what set things off. That's why he went behind the bar in the first place, so he could put Rick b/t him and his buddy and draw w/o Rick seeing him as well. Then his fat buddy bumbled with his gun so Rick got the drop on him too. Remember that when they're in the bar and Rick decides to speak to the other guys outside the door he says, "They drew on us" a couple times.

3/7/2012 8:48:52 AM

you may be right, I'll have to check that scene again

3/7/2012 9:21:38 AM

some of you all are going to flip your shit in the next few episodes

SPOILER: Shane will die before the end of this season

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 10:48 AM. Reason : highlight to be shocked]

3/7/2012 10:46:42 AM

yeah, the guy went for his gun which was on the bar. Rick drew, shot him, then turned to the fat guy who was pulling out his gun.

Quote :

"we currently KNOW that our group has a psycopath murderer and attempted rapist who the group allows to carry on,"

The group has a single person who is both of those things. But the group is not aware of those two things. People thinking Shane killed Otis is based on really thin material (even though they're right) -- Dale's "hunch", and Lori listening to Dale. Daryl said he figured as much because Shane came back with Otis' gun. But there are a number of ways Shane could have gotten Otis' gun in a completely legitimate manner. To my recollection, only Lori, Dale, and Darryl have in anyway talked about Shane possibly killing Otis. That's 3 people, maybe 4 of the group. And nobody but Lori knows about the attempted rape.

So it's unfair to say that the group "allows" a psychopath, murdering, rape attempter to carry on. They allow Shane to carry on, who happens to be those things without anyone really knowing.


we KNOW (and the characters know) the other group were very aggressive, hostile, and violent (they drew first) toward Rick, Hershel, and Glenn. We KNOW that members of that same group came around and when Rick told them what happened and that there was no need for anyone else to be hurt, the other guys tried to hurt Rick, Hershel, and Glenn... with absolutely nothing to gain from it.

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM. Reason : what we know vs what the characters know]

3/7/2012 11:10:01 AM

Shane essentially admitted it to Dale and especially Rick

3/7/2012 11:29:37 AM

yeah, Shane pretty much told Rick when they were out. But that's 1 person. Dale was a fear monger, and while his intuition may have been correct, he really didn't know much. Shane sort of inferred it while he was trying to scare Dale into stfu for a bit.

3/7/2012 11:35:38 AM

^^^

Quote :

"People thinking Shane killed Otis is based on really thin material "

You forgot to mention that Shane **confessed** killing Otis to Rick (the leader of the group). And Dale had more than just a hunch, Shane all but confessed to him as well. Lori suspected after talking to Dale, but who knows if Rick told her about the confession off screen (and she DEFINITELY knows that Shane got close to raping her at the CDC). Now Daryl claims he knew it all along and that anyone that thinks other wise was fooling themselves.

At this point, I think this means we can at least say the majority of the groups leading figures strongly believe that Shane killed Otis (even if they don't have absolute certainty) and are doing nothing about it. That is only a slight modification to rwoody's sentiment and I think totally fair. But maybe that's just me. What level of certainty do you think the group should have before we can say they let a murderer be part of their group? Does Shane have to allocute his crimes publicly? Did they have to witness Otis' murder for themselves?

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 12:10 PM. Reason : ``]

3/7/2012 11:44:57 AM

I would have killed Otis too, and left fence guy on the fence to die.

3/7/2012 11:57:24 AM

next episode Rick dies and T-Dog becomes the leader of the group

3/7/2012 12:17:24 PM

This guy was born to lead

3/7/2012 12:23:37 PM

what happened to the teenager from Herschel's farm? He used to be around earlier this season and I remember him at least during the gun training scene. He's disappeared.

3/7/2012 2:20:39 PM

^hmmm that is interesting

3/7/2012 2:36:36 PM

^ the writers and anyone working on that show are not good at maintaining any level of consistency. I always get in an argument about where this person or that person came from/who they are. But that is a good question, I wouldn't be surprised if they wrote that actor into another role with no explanation, like the audience wouldn't notice.

I am kind of mad at them, they reeled in sci fi people and then spew drama everywhere like it is a fucking soap opera, and then leave all of these (yes minute) but obvious mistakes in areas like gun recoil, zombie virus transmission, and character sudden appearances. Unfortunately, sci fi crowds are usually pretty critical in these areas.

spend more time on making the story solid and less time on the dumb cunt drama.

3/7/2012 2:40:26 PM

haha, gun recoil nerds

3/7/2012 2:54:26 PM

thread is unreadable

thanks douchebags

3/7/2012 3:31:19 PM

Now you know how we feel watching the show sometimes.

3/7/2012 3:41:57 PM

Quote :

"At this point, I think this means we can at least say the majority of the groups leading figures strongly believe that Shane killed Otis (even if they don't have absolute certainty) and are doing nothing about it. That is only a slight modification to rwoody's sentiment and I think totally fair. But maybe that's just me. What level of certainty do you think the group should have before we can say they let a murderer be part of their group? Does Shane have to allocute his crimes publicly? Did they have to witness Otis' murder for themselves?"

I think what you said is a fair description of where things are at this moment. But I think you're giving too much credit to the the position of certain characters within the group. Just because (the audience) have spent time with a character, that doesn't make them a leader within the group. And I think you're confusing what 1 person knows for what others know.

Rick - the supposed leader knows that Shane killed Otis. He does not know that Shane tried to rape Lori.

Lori - an irrational wife of the leader, knows that Shane tried to rape her (is she really a leader herself?). She does not know, although she suspects (for stupid reasons) that Shane killed Otis.

Daryl - the guy is off collecting ears and for the most part is a loner within the group "knew" (read "suspects") that Shane killed Otis because Shane came back with Otis' gun -- rock solid evidence there. He doesn't know about the attempted rape. And ultimately, Daryl doesn't seem to care.

Dale -- knew nothing of the rape, and only through his wild assumptions did he get and inference from Shane that he killed Otis and in turn strongly suspected that Shane killed Otis. And now he's dead and doesn't really matter in that sense.

Knows about the rape = 1 (Lori)
Knows about the murder = 1 (Rick)
Suspects the murder = 2 (Daryl and Lori). Daryl at least came to the suspicions through his own reasoning, albeit stupid. Lori is ONLY going off of the word of Dale. She has no LEGITIMATE reason to suspect Shane of murder other than what Dale said.

Lori.. who is not a leader in my opinion but does have the ear of a leader knows about 1 and suspects the other. rick knows about 1. Daryl suspects one and doesn't seem to care. 3 people know or suspect something. 1 is clearly a leader. Calling the other 2 leaders is a little more shaky. Daryl probably earned a lot of respect for the effort he put in with sophia, but he's still the redneck who's down on his own with the zombie-ear necklace.

Yup... the whole group is just (knowingly) letting a murdering, rape attempting psycho run around. Again, I think when/if people truly find out what Shane did, then you'll see a reaction... and I think/hope it will be appropriate. Appropriate as in, telling Shane to hit the road or fisticuffs.

Again, don't confuse what we know with what the characters know. The group doesn't know shit about what Shane did. Rick, as of when Shane told him, is letting a murderer (not a rapist, he doesn't know about that) walk around. Lori is letting someone who tried to rape her walk around and has been for quite some time.

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 4:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/7/2012 3:44:05 PM

I never said anyone but Lori knew about the quasi-attempted rape. I only mentioned that to indicate that she would be more receptive to believing Shane might kill someone and that he was dangerous in general.

As for the rest, I think we can both agree that Shane has only explicitly confessed to Rick. But I am not quite sure what you are arguing when you say the others have no "legitimate" reason to suspect Shane. Legitmate according to who? The point is that Dale, Lori, and Daryl all *believe* Shane murdered Otis. Who cares if that belief is not "legitimate" by your standards?

Ignoring group "leaders" for a second, this means a majority of the adults in the group knows or believes that Shane murdered Otis (5 out of 9, before Dale died anyways). Yet none of them has done anything about it. So I still don't see why rwoody's sentiment is at all controversial in this regard.

As for the remaining group members, the only adults that have not weighed in are Glenn, Carol, Andrea, and T-Dog. Do we have any reason to think that they think Shane is innocent? If not, why should we *assume* that is their position (see Daryl)? And even if we do assume that, whose opinion has to be changed before we would expect the group to do something about Shane? I don't remember any of these characters taking leadership roles before. Glenn and Carol seem unconcerned with influencing the group. Andrea speaks her mind, but no one seems to care. T-Dog just doesn't speak (at least that we ever see).

So please clarify what you think needs to happen before either the group does something about Shane or we (as the audience) are allowed to say that the group is willingly letting a murderer walk around. Whose mind needs to be changed?

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ``]

3/7/2012 4:16:14 PM

So what if they know (think, whatever) that Shane killed Otis, and *not doing anything* is what they are doing about it?


I mean, Shane and Otis were on a sinking ship with one life jacket, right? Shane didn't just shoot the guy to steal his wallet or something.

3/7/2012 4:33:56 PM

Dale has tried to tell others... Lori and Darryl. He could have tried to tell more, but I think he was hesitant to do so because he had no proof and was smart enough to know the risks of throwing that sort of accusation around.

Rick hasn't done anything yet, but hasn't known very long.

Darryl hasn't done anything, has thought it since the day Otis died apparently, and doesn't seem to care to do anything. --- so he's made his choice. As ^ suggested, Darryl's choosing to do nothing.

Lori tried to convince Rick that Shane was dangerous. She could tell others that she thinks Shane killed Otis... again, with no proof though.

You can't just say "I think x killed y" without a shred of proof. Granted, she could tell people about the attempted rape.

Beyond that what would you want them to do that would align with what each person knows and would be reasonable in regard to what they actually know/can prove?


^ and agreed, doing nothing is doing something in regard to what we're talking about. I mean, maybe Rick is OK with it.

FYI, sock; while I think i quoted you, your comment was mostly supporting another one. I wasn't really saying you said anything in particular (i don't think i did anyhow) but was just replying to that general train of thought.

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 5:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/7/2012 4:57:41 PM

^ Shane killing Otis was not that surprising/shocking to me, someone (or both of them) were going to go down, and Shane was more likely to care enough/strong enough to bring back the supplies.

the "attempted rape" whether that was what he was trying to do or not, is a different story, that is over the line even in the apocalypse, and so is all of the threats he doled out to Dale, as well as him beating up Rick bc he thinks he can't defend his own family. for these reasons I would boot his ass.

3/7/2012 5:03:43 PM

I understand why Shane did what he did, that's not to say I think I would do the same or that any other character would have done the same. I, honsetly, don't know where I stand on him doing that and if I'd want him gone because of it.

As for the "attempted rape"... and I'm not 100% sure that's the best thing to call it, it was completely unacceptable and would be enough for me to kick him out. But again, only Lori knows about it. So, Shane still being there is on Lori in that regard. I think other characters would be extremely anti-shane if they were aware of that incident.

I don't remember everything Shane said to Dale, but I don't care about Shane getting in Dale's face too much. -- unless maybe there is something really out there i'm not remembering. Dale was a nosy shit imo. He was right about a lot of stuff, but he also didn't know when to mind his own business and stfu. And generally speaking, people are going to have differences. There are going to be verbal, and even physical altercations. I think in their situation, that sort of stuff would have to be allowed to slide to a certain extent. Being on your own is almost certain death. I wouldn't exile someone because he got in my face a few times after I was being a bit of douche (as Dale was imo at times).

Only rick knows about Shane and his fight. I, too, think that was ridiculous of Shane and if I were Rick, he'd be out. But that's Rick's call. But Rick and Shane have known each other since at least high school. While I'm fairly confident I'd tell the guy to hit the road, it'd be a lot different than someone I didn't really know.

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM. Reason : .]

3/7/2012 5:50:34 PM

well true, those are isolated events, and no one sees all of that, but the bs he pulled when he ran to the barn and let the walkers out and killing them in front of the family, thereby pissing off the landholders of the residence they are squatting would probably be his ticket out for me.

3/7/2012 5:57:22 PM

I was going to post in this thread, but there is way too much derp goin on in here

3/7/2012 5:59:43 PM

well underp it or get the fuck out.

3/7/2012 6:00:34 PM

^^havent seen anything this absurd in entertainment since the lost thread

3/7/2012 6:01:47 PM

^seriously.

3/7/2012 6:19:36 PM

Honestly, I think half the people here are looking too far into it. It's a show, it's for entertainment purposes... it's entertaining (IMO) and does its job.

3/7/2012 7:45:24 PM

Quote :

"Beyond that what would you want them to do that would align with what each person knows and would be reasonable in regard to what they actually know/can prove?"

I am not suggesting that the group do anything different at this point. I was just responding to this (which you posted in response to rwoody)...

Quote :

"So it's unfair to say that the group "allows" a psychopath, murdering, rape attempter to carry on. "

I've just been saying I think it is at least fair to say that the group is allowing someone that the majority of them believe is a murderer to just carry on (though i agree the rapist part is a stretch).

But if you still don't think so, I think we just agree to disagree at this point.

[Edited on March 7, 2012 at 10:15 PM. Reason : ``]

3/7/2012 9:56:15 PM

i haven't really kept up with this thread the last few weeks so maybe this has been discussed, but

1) it is looking more and more like the secret whispered in the ear is that people come back as zombies even if not bitten...so the fuck what, who cares? why is that a big deal, why would that need to be a secret? i don't see how that realization changes much of anything for the characters or the viewers.

2) why did the kid they kidnapped even tell the story about his group raping the chicks? he just kind of says it out of nowhere, and just gets him beat even more.

3/7/2012 10:12:00 PM

my thought on #2 is that he wanted to show Daryl that other guys in his group were evil and that he didn't participate in it.. dunno.

#1. That seems to be the going thought or that shane tried to rape Lori or that the baby was shanes. At this point it doesnt really matter till they reveal it and it will be something stupid and out of left field

3/7/2012 10:16:44 PM

^^ 1) i only think it is a big deal because it is a (relatively) unexpected twist from the usual zombie genre, so they will probably save it for when a main character next dies. i imagine in the season finale they will have to kill someone off and drop of cliffhanger. my money is on shane, but if not ... sorry t-dog. unfortunately, they will probably spend waaay too many episodes after this realization telling going over how everyone deals with it, feels about it, drama llama blah blah blah

3/7/2012 10:26:45 PM