if the national guard is deployed against Occupy i think you can count on a fucking revolution

11/20/2011 12:41:42 AM

haha have you seen the people at these protests they won't be taking over much of anything in their lives

11/20/2011 12:43:19 AM

Chancellor does the walk of shame.

11/20/2011 12:43:54 AM

Quote :

"This forum deserves a better class of troll."

Marlo appreciation thread.

11/20/2011 12:45:54 AM

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"haha have you seen the people at these protests they won't be taking over much of anything in their lives"

i don't think it would be just the people at these protests

11/20/2011 12:47:13 AM

and it won't just be the national guard

11/20/2011 12:49:47 AM

the whole world is watching

keep pepper spraying peaceful protesters

keep deploying military weapons against our citizens

it's exactly what Occupy wants

it's exactly what Anonymous wants

heads will roll

11/20/2011 12:51:42 AM

no they won't

11/20/2011 12:53:31 AM

keep it up

11/20/2011 12:53:51 AM

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"Open Letter to Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi Linda P.B. Katehi, I am a junior faculty member at UC Davis. I am an Assistant Professor in the Department of English, and I teach in the Program in Critical Theory and in Science & Technology Studies. I have a strong record of research, teaching, and service. I am currently a Board Member of the Davis Faculty Association. I have also taken an active role in supporting the student movement to defend public education on our campus and throughout the UC system. In a word: I am the sort of young faculty member, like many of my colleagues, this campus needs. I am an asset to the University of California at Davis. You are not. I write to you and to my colleagues for three reasons: 1) to express my outrage at the police brutality which occurred against students engaged in peaceful protest on the UC Davis campus today 2) to hold you accountable for this police brutality 3) to demand your immediate resignation Today you ordered police onto our campus to clear student protesters from the quad. These were protesters who participated in a rally speaking out against tuition increases and police brutality on UC campuses on Tuesday—a rally that I organized, and which was endorsed by the Davis Faculty Association. These students attended that rally in response to a call for solidarity from students and faculty who were bludgeoned with batons, hospitalized, and arrested at UC Berkeley last week. In the highest tradition of non-violent civil disobedience, those protesters had linked arms and held their ground in defense of tents they set up beside Sproul Hall. In a gesture of solidarity with those students and faculty, and in solidarity with the national Occupy movement, students at UC Davis set up tents on the main quad. When you ordered police outfitted with riot helmets, brandishing batons and teargas guns to remove their tents today, those students sat down on the ground in a circle and linked arms to protect them. What happened next? Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-sprayed students. Students remained on the ground, now writhing in pain, with their arms linked. What happened next? Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood. This is what happened. You are responsible for it. You are responsible for it because this is what happens when UC Chancellors order police onto our campuses to disperse peaceful protesters through the use of force: students get hurt. Faculty get hurt. One of the most inspiring things (inspiring for those of us who care about students who assert their rights to free speech and peaceful assembly) about the demonstration in Berkeley on November 9 is that UC Berkeley faculty stood together with students, their arms linked together. Associate Professor of English Celeste Langan was grabbed by her hair, thrown on the ground, and arrested. Associate Professor Geoffrey O’Brien was injured by baton blows. Professor Robert Hass, former Poet Laureate of the United States, National Book Award and Pulitzer Prize winner, was also struck with a baton. These faculty stood together with students in solidarity, and they too were beaten and arrested by the police. In writing this letter, I stand together with those faculty and with the students they supported. One week after this happened at UC Berkeley, you ordered police to clear tents from the quad at UC Davis. When students responded in the same way—linking arms and holding their ground—police also responded in the same way: with violent force. The fact is: the administration of UC campuses systematically uses police brutality to terrorize students and faculty, to crush political dissent on our campuses, and to suppress free speech and peaceful assembly. Many people know this. Many more people are learning it very quickly. You are responsible for the police violence directed against students on the UC Davis quad on November 18, 2011. As I said, I am writing to hold you responsible and to demand your immediate resignation on these grounds. On Wednesday November 16, you issued a letter by email to the campus community. In this letter, you discussed a hate crime which occurred at UC Davis on Sunday November 13. In this letter, you express concern about the safety of our students. You write, “it is particularly disturbing that such an act of intolerance should occur at a time when the campus community is working to create a safe and inviting space for all our students.” You write, “while these are turbulent economic times, as a campus community, we must all be committed to a safe, welcoming environment that advances our efforts to diversity and excellence at UC Davis.” I will leave it to my colleagues and every reader of this letter to decide what poses a greater threat to “a safe and inviting space for all our students” or “a safe, welcoming environment” at UC Davis: 1) Setting up tents on the quad in solidarity with faculty and students brutalized by police at UC Berkeley? or 2) Sending in riot police to disperse students with batons, pepper-spray, and tear-gas guns, while those students sit peacefully on the ground with their arms linked? Is this what you have in mind when you refer to creating “a safe and inviting space?” Is this what you have in mind when you express commitment to “a safe, welcoming environment?” I am writing to tell you in no uncertain terms that there must be space for protest on our campus. There must be space for political dissent on our campus. There must be space for civil disobedience on our campus. There must be space for students to assert their right to decide on the form of their protest, their dissent, and their civil disobedience—including the simple act of setting up tents in solidarity with other students who have done so. There must be space for protest and dissent, especially, when the object of protest and dissent is police brutality itself. You may not order police to forcefully disperse student protesters peacefully protesting police brutality. You may not do so. It is not an option available to you as the Chancellor of a UC campus. That is why I am calling for your immediate resignation. Your words express concern for the safety of our students. Your actions express no concern whatsoever for the safety of our students. I deduce from this discrepancy that you are not, in fact, concerned about the safety of our students. Your actions directly threaten the safety of our students. And I want you to know that this is clear. It is clear to anyone who reads your campus emails concerning our “Principles of Community” and who also takes the time to inform themselves about your actions. You should bear in mind that when you send emails to the UC Davis community, you address a body of faculty and students who are well trained to see through rhetoric that evinces care for students while implicitly threatening them. I see through your rhetoric very clearly. You also write to a campus community that knows how to speak truth to power. That is what I am doing. I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis. As such, I call upon you to resign immediately. Sincerely, Nathan Brown Assistant Professor Department of English Program in Critical Theory University of California at Davis "

http://bicyclebarricade.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/open-letter-to-chancellor-linda-p-b-katehi/

11/20/2011 12:59:28 AM

if these folks aren't taking up for themselves now then they never will all of them are weak that is why they are at these protests becuase they are not strong willed enough to work towards the life they desire

11/20/2011 12:59:31 AM

atta boy

perfect

keep it up

11/20/2011 1:13:54 AM

11/20/2011 1:18:52 AM

11/20/2011 1:19:55 AM

11/20/2011 1:30:32 AM

^if this troll should fall, who will lift the flag and carry it on?

11/20/2011 1:38:35 AM

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"heads will roll"

Kent State - 0

National Guard - 4

11/20/2011 2:50:13 AM

Going back to the videos last page, yes it is a legitimate police use of force if people are refusing to disperse or obey lawful orders to vacate or lawful orders in general. The right to protest and assembly is not a blank check to act like an animal or disrupt other peoples rights. I know deep down these morons are praying for their Kent State moment.

If youd like to see truly brutal responses to protests, I suggest you look at recent events in Syria and Iran. It seems that the countries with the socialist utopias or centralized governments, in the style that the protesters are advocating, are actually the most oppressive. Who knew.

From page 1 I think

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"but for some reason these tea party anti-government fucks support the police unconditionally it's a strange paradox"

but for some reason these occupy, socialist, communist, nazi, pro-big government fucks hate the police unconditionally

it's a strange paradox

Also, I think conservatives dont support the police unconditionally, but rather they are actually objective when it comes to analyzing how the act in a given situation. They also tend to respect the police as one of the LEGITIMATE functions of government, and they respect the civil society.



[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 9:28 AM. Reason : .]

11/20/2011 9:09:12 AM

excellent

another pawn enters the game

11/20/2011 9:50:22 AM

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"Kent State - 0 National Guard - 4"

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"There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students, and the event further affected the public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#Aftermath_and_long-term_effects

11/20/2011 10:25:47 AM

Some observations about U.C.



+



YOU ARE NOW UNDER MY COMMAND AND WILL OBEY EVERY WORD #OWS SAYS


[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM. Reason : -]

11/20/2011 10:37:24 AM

*sigh*

I really feel bad for some of you.

11/20/2011 11:11:15 AM

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" but for some reason these occupy, socialist, communist, nazi, pro-big government fucks hate the police unconditionally "

that doesn't make any sense. unconditionally.

11/20/2011 11:12:41 AM

^oh i think he meant: "loves them unconditionally"


lol. nope not that either.

11/20/2011 11:17:04 AM

Anybody arguing against people who protest is fucking LOST.

11/20/2011 11:20:30 AM

or trolling.

11/20/2011 11:22:52 AM

any human being who does not agree with 9one9 is thrown into his hate group. what an open mind.

11/20/2011 11:25:45 AM

^^ those people are lost as well.

11/20/2011 11:37:13 AM

protesting is fine but hippie scum trying to turn cities into a 3rd world country is not



[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

11/20/2011 11:46:03 AM

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""There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students, and the event further affected the public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.""

There was also significant public backlash against the protest movement due to increased violence and an anti-American perception of the group. And, at the end of the day, the big mean capitalist government sauntered off with nary a change, people went on with their lives, and most of the people involved with that movement eventually hopped into a business suit and became a part of the machine they protested as despicable. And that was a movement much larger and much more far-reaching than OWS. Revolution.

At least back in those days, they weren't pussies. I sure as hell don't see any proletariat terrorists groups running around bombing shit nowadays. Call me about the 'revolution' when Baader-Meinhof makes a comeback.

11/20/2011 12:06:26 PM

[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM. Reason : ...]

11/20/2011 12:32:19 PM

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"Going back to the videos last page, yes it is a legitimate police use of force if people are refusing to disperse or obey lawful orders to vacate or lawful orders in general. The right to protest and assembly is not a blank check to act like an animal or disrupt other peoples rights. "

You are dumb if you think the proper way to handle college students protesting by sitting down in a line on a college campus is to pepper spray them.

I can pretty much guarantee NCSU Police wouldn’t have done things this way.

The chancellor and the police there deserve all the criticism they are getting.

[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2011 12:38:40 PM

^yeh, NCSU/RPD would have kicked some empty beer bottles toward the crowd and then called in swat for suspected underage drinking.

11/20/2011 12:41:05 PM

^^^ whoever drew that isn't bright we are a republic not a democracy

^^ fortunately their are very few idiots at NC State that are into trendy college protesting



[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 12:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2011 12:41:07 PM

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"trying to turn cities into a 3rd world country"

Hahahaha

11/20/2011 1:42:02 PM

not funny if you live in those cities

11/20/2011 1:56:00 PM

google "the US ranks last" and see what comes up, some 3rd world countries are better off but thats not the point, we should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS look for ways to improve. i will never understand the argument that change = wanting to emulate something else. the states are supposed to be laboratories for democracy. noone has gotten it "right" and there's no reason to get comfortable or complacent.

11/20/2011 2:02:54 PM

^ you should have actually googled it yourself before saying that

11/20/2011 2:12:33 PM

im not sure what you're getting at...

the first page results lists things we're last in:

preventable deaths (among 19 high-income industrial nations)
healthcare (Australia, UK, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand)
current account balance (last out of 191 nations)

id like not to die if it could be prevented and im pretty sure healthcare is on top of most people's lists. people could probably forgive even those two if we were flush with money but as the third stat clearly reveals...

11/20/2011 3:15:56 PM

howard stern trolled the shit out of these guys. damn. i found another 2 or 3 gold mines of stern on youtube

11/20/2011 5:17:32 PM

post dat shit

11/20/2011 6:20:15 PM

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"the states are supposed to be laboratories for democracy."

they were supposed to be. and then the federal gov't said "fuck states' rights" and we have what we have now.

^^^ current account balance? really? we are a fucking consumerist nation and we've racked up tons of credit card bills. forgive me for not shedding a tear over that and for not thinking that it's a government problem. jesus, dude. what a stupid freaking statement

[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 6:57 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2011 6:56:06 PM

You say you want a revolution. Well, you know, we all want to change the world.
You tell me that it's evolution. Well, you know ,we all want to change the world.
But when you talk about destruction don't you know that you can count me out.
Don't you know it's gonna be all right.

You say you got a real solution. Well, you know, we'd all love to see the plan.
You ask me for a contribution. Well, you know, we're doing what we can.
But when you want money for people with minds that hate, all I can tell is brother you have to wait.
Don't you know it's gonna be all right.

You say you'll change the constitution. Well, you know, we all want to change your head.
You tell me it's the institution. Well, you know, you better free you mind instead.
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.
Don't you know it's gonna be all right.

11/20/2011 7:29:37 PM

I think that this whole UC incident brings to the spotlight the role of the police in our society. To serve and protect right? Serve and protect who?

No one was being violent there. No one was being hurt. Here, pepper spray was used as a "compliance tool". In my humble opinion, one shouldn't need to use weapons to force people into compliance in a democracy.

11/20/2011 7:39:26 PM

Like, the IRS?

Oh, yeah, this isn't a democracy, BTW.

(what are schools teaching these days?)

[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 7:42 PM. Reason : U.S. != democracy]

11/20/2011 7:41:18 PM

11/20/2011 7:49:56 PM

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"^^^ current account balance? really? we are a fucking consumerist nation and we've racked up tons of credit card bills. forgive me for not shedding a tear over that and for not thinking that it's a government problem. jesus, dude. what a stupid freaking statement"

no, i won't forgive you for thinking it's not a government problem. it's like top 3 gov't problems of all time. you realize a couple months ago we were a couple of austerity measures away from begging other countries for help to pay our bills. i don't know about you but I don't look at Greece and think "well to each their own", I think "what douchebag thinks they can charge and charge and charge without thinking about paying anything back". add the fact that we have a huge negative balance and that our debts are 60% of the GDP and it is not sustainable.

last in 191 nations is pitiful. the democratic republic of congo aka rape capital of the world has more of an ability to pay back its bills than we do (they barely go into debt) and we aren't just last either. we are last by a magnitude of 8.5 times worse than the second to last place.

you're a lost cause. you've proved that to me in other threads. don't bother replying because you've already admitted you don't care. adding anything further would just make you a hypocrite.

11/20/2011 7:51:11 PM

11/20/2011 7:52:59 PM

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"our debts are 60% of the GDP "

i think we are well beyond that by now

11/20/2011 8:00:42 PM

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"the democratic republic of congo aka rape capital of the world"

Do they put that on their license plates?

Congo

Rape Capital of the World.

11/20/2011 8:01:09 PM