lol

11/26/2014 10:10:28 AM

Sure Michael Brown is a body building Black Hulk Hogan. If you can smell the bullshit spewing out that cops mouth thats your problem. I know a coached story when I hear one.

If you want to kill a black guy in America, just get a few bruises and say he was so angry, and you were so scared you had not choice. He was so big and strong, his eyes were demented, he saw through you, etc etc etc.

Its the same story every time, this cops story reminds me a lot of the Zimmerman defense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2849133/PIERS-MORGAN-farce-Ferguson-Darren-Wilson-6ft-4in-210lb-five-year-old-history.html

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 10:22 AM. Reason : SMH some whites will never get it.]

11/26/2014 10:10:43 AM

maybe if black people didn't commit so many crimes, white people wouldn't be so afraid of them [/troll]

11/26/2014 10:26:18 AM

It is black people's fault for perpetuating a stereotype. If they stopped doing stuff like this, the stereotype would go away. You can't blame anyone but the black people. Why won't the moderate black people take a stand and say that this type of action will not stand? Until they do, they're just as guilty as the rioting black people.


[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ]

11/26/2014 10:29:07 AM

that video I posted on the last page explains that ^ theory

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPUcA7yrErg&feature=youtu.be

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM. Reason : repost]

11/26/2014 10:29:53 AM

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"Sure Michael Brown is a body building Black Hulk Hogan."

the point isn't that Brown was jacked. The point is your "THEY ARE THE SAME HEIGHT CAN'T BE DAVID VS GOLIATH " is pure horseshit

i should also say, since you keep making the false equivalency, that the result of the zimmerman case was abhorrent

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 10:36 AM. Reason : .]

11/26/2014 10:34:47 AM

That logic is so far past stupid. These stereotypes and fears date back to slavery when whites had issues controlling their bigger, stronger black slaves. You seem to forget that 60 years ago black people were 1 step above slaves, 150 years ago black people were private property of whites. And you think blacks gave themselves these stereotypes?

^You are wrong but continue. This is a trained cop vs a untrained, fat, high schooler. If you think it takes a trained white man 12 bullets, 2 head shots, to stop a 18 year old so be it. Maybe a cop will use 12 bullets to put down one of your kids one day. The results of this case are abhorrent, the only difference here is instead of having a wannabe cop we got a real cop.



[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

11/26/2014 10:35:24 AM

(i wasn't being serious. you often hear the same things about muslims from some of the same people)

11/26/2014 10:39:06 AM

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" the only difference here is instead of having a wannabe cop we got a real cop. "

except for the fact that the Brown robbed a store instead of buying tea and skittles.

and the fact that Brown was in the middle of the street and ignoring the lawful order of a police officer instead of being tailed in secret by a fake cop wannabe.

and the fact Brown was the instigator of the assault instead of being stalked and confronted.

but other than that, exactly the same

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 10:48 AM. Reason : .]

11/26/2014 10:46:51 AM

And the fact he was a demon.

Just like Peter King says, Obama needs to invite Wilson to the white house and apologize on behalf of his people!!!!!!

11/26/2014 10:49:21 AM

It does suck that the eye witness reports varied so much so they pretty much had to throw those out and just go with whatever forensic evidence they had.

I have never been in a situation like that so I dont really know how I would react. I think if Brown was reaching into his police car and appeared to be going for his gun at that point he at least had him cornered and I can understand firing shots. Once he moved away from the vehicle and the officer (I am assuming because he got shot) then that is the point where I can imagine things could have gone better. If he was that afraid of the guy he should have waited on some sort of backup, but I can understand in his mind his job is to protect people and this guy may pose a threat to other people at this point. So I can understand exiting the vehicle and following him. The biggest problem comes when he supposedly turns around and comes toward the officer again. Again, I have never been in this situation so maybe you panic and dont think but I like to think if I felt the need to fire my gun I would at least attempt to shoot a guys legs out especially until he was much closer to me. Maybe thats not what they are trained to do, but a bullet to the kneecap is gonna put any size man on the ground and hopefully avoid a killing.

11/26/2014 10:53:37 AM

Officer did not know Brown robbed the store so his actions before being stopped in the street had nothing to do with his death. What you are seeming to miss is that the moment he takes off running, the cops life is no longer at risk, and deadly force is no longer needed.

Now you will say he turned back with his demonic face and was going to kill Wilson with his hands (1 of which is injured), sure it was a possibility. But the officer in his own words shoots a few rounds, pauses, guy keeps approaching so he shoots him some more until a round hits him in the top of the head. At this point the demonic spirit in him leaves and his face relaxes.

11/26/2014 10:57:18 AM

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"and the fact that Brown was in the middle of the street and ignoring the lawful order of a police officer instead of being tailed in secret by a fake cop wannabe. and the fact Brown was the instigator of the assault instead of being stalked and confronted"

how do you know these are "facts"? They may very well be, but that doesn't sound like the actions of someone who just committed a robbery and doesn't want to get caught. It seems like he'd want to lay low. I'm not saying he didn't do this, it just seems really stupid on his part.

and i'm sure it's been discussed, but didn't the police chief originally say that Wilson wasn't aware of the robbery before he encountered Brown? But now they're saying that he was?

11/26/2014 11:10:49 AM

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"Again, I have never been in this situation so maybe you panic and dont think but I like to think if I felt the need to fire my gun I would at least attempt to shoot a guys legs out especially until he was much closer to me. "

Cops can't do this. Firing a weapon is always considered deadly force. It is never meant to be anything other than deadly force. There's no middle ground of shooting to injure and there never will be. You will always lose credibility in a serious debate if you suggest this.

Also, it's just not that easy to shoot a moving target in the leg or arm. Hollywood makes it look easy, but in real life it's very difficult to hit a small target without taking time to set up the shot. They will always aim for center mass and take whatever hit they get as a result. Anyone who has spent much time with firearms will tell you that aiming for a small moving body part is just asking for a miss.

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 11:15 AM. Reason : s]

11/26/2014 11:13:09 AM

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" I'm not saying he didn't do this, it just seems really stupid on his part."

The entire drama rolled into one sentence.

11/26/2014 11:13:33 AM

where's the video of a white guy saying, "hey cops, stop shooting unarmed black people"?

11/26/2014 11:16:32 AM

wheres the video called "hey dont murder that grand jury witness"

11/26/2014 11:17:53 AM

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"The entire drama rolled into one sentence."

Sounds like you're assuming that he did do those stupid actions, when the fact is that you or I don't know if he did or not.

11/26/2014 11:21:52 AM

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" It seems like he'd want to lay low. I'm not saying he didn't do this, it just seems really stupid on his part"

idk about you, but I'm constantly amazed by how stupid people can be

11/26/2014 11:23:17 AM

The part of Wilson's story where Brown just keeps walking towards him after being shot multiple times like the goddamn Terminator is the most unbelievable part of anyone's recollection.

11/26/2014 11:24:52 AM

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". So whether you like it or not in the end all this has done is reenforce the ideas and stereotypes most people have against black people."

So as long as a small few black people continue to do bad things, white people will continue to be racist against all black people. Got it.

11/26/2014 11:32:26 AM

Wilson's terminator sequence is more believable than Zimmermans "You got me" story.

^Black people make white people racist, in protesting white people's racism blacks reinforce white peoples racism. Without black people being uncontrollable animals white folks would never be racist.

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

11/26/2014 11:36:08 AM

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"Sounds like you're assuming that he did do those stupid actions, when the fact is that you or I don't know if he did or not."

I'm agreeing with you. If that is true, it was a dumb thing to do, but I have no way of knowing if that's what really happened.
If he robbed a store then walked down the middle of the road, that's pretty dumb, but I don't know that's what happened.
If Wilson shot a teen for calling him a pussy, that's pretty dumb, but I don't know that's what happened.
If Brown reached for an officers gun, unprovoked, that's pretty dumb, but I don't know that's what happened.
Source: I wasn't there so I don't know what happened.

Seemed like a pretty uncontroversial statement to me.

11/26/2014 11:43:34 AM

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"The entire drama rolled into one sentence."

yeah seems like a pretty weak cause to make such a big deal over to me, maybe excessive force but that's pretty borderline from what I'm hearing, just a particularly bad outcome to a bad situation

11/26/2014 11:48:38 AM

https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots

11/26/2014 11:53:02 AM

Of course they're both unbelievable ("you got me" story and "terminator" story).


But as long as there are people like rjrfuml who are scared shitless of minorities, these bullshit defenses will continue to work.



No skepticism. No doubt. No questioning of official stories. Just fear.

11/26/2014 11:53:38 AM

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"how do you know these are "facts"? They may very well be, but that doesn't sound like the actions of someone who just committed a robbery and doesn't want to get caught. It seems like he'd want to lay low. I'm not saying he didn't do this, it just seems really stupid on his part."

I actually think this part happened. Brown probably didn't think he could get caught (he's just turned 18 at this point), and people walk in the middle of the street all the time in poor areas.

Wilson knows he's in a neighborhood where people distrust police, and for whatever reason, decided to do a stop and frisk on two random people in the road.

I bet there were words between Wilson and Brown at that point, which it's when the whole thing started.

11/26/2014 11:57:54 AM

Furguson protesters have blocked Durham Freeway.

lol this shit is so stupid.

11/26/2014 12:13:16 PM

^^
He didn't randomly frisk anyone, he asked them to move off the street onto the sidewalk, then recognized he matched the suspect description

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"A police dispatcher reported a "stealing in progress" at 11:53, and at 11:57 dispatch said the suspect was wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks, and khaki shorts, and was accompanied by another man. At noon, Wilson radioed to ask other officers searching for the thieves if they needed him and was told by dispatch that the suspects had disappeared.[29] At 12:01 p.m., Wilson drove up to Brown and Johnson in the middle of Canfield Drive and ordered them to move off the street and onto the sidewalk. Wilson continued driving past the two men, but then backed up and stopped close to them,[18][30][31][32][33] after, according to Wilson,[34] realizing that Brown matched the description of the robbery suspect. Dispatch recordings indicate that Wilson called for backup at 12:02, saying "[Unit] 21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car."[29]"

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

11/26/2014 12:16:13 PM

^ the "recognized he matched a description" part is likely made up. They initially said he had no knowledge of the robbery call and they didn't change their story until long after (i'm guessing when the union rep and lawyer told Wilson it'd be a good thing to change his story), and if you read wilsons testimony, he kind of mumbles through that part. It seems like he was coached to say that, because it justifies his extreme actions more if we believe he thought they were the robbers.

And you missed what i meant about the stop and frisk part... he just saw the guys and wanted to hassle them. His excuse was because they were in the street.

11/26/2014 12:21:58 PM

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"he just saw the guys and wanted to hassle them. His excuse was because they were in the street."

And if he had just kept rolling on by and someone in a car hit those kids and killed them and some neighbor said they saw a cop drive by without telling them to get out of the street, then the parents would be suing the police department for not maintaining public safety.

11/26/2014 12:24:54 PM

^^
still conjecture that you presented as fact

I don't think its hassling to ask people to walk on the sidewalk.

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 12:28 PM. Reason : .]

11/26/2014 12:26:48 PM

^^ The street they were walking on was a small neighborhood street. That would likely have never happened.

11/26/2014 12:27:16 PM

^^^ ha possibly.

Or most likely, they would have gone home with a free box of cigarillos, alive to rob another day.

It's just me, but if you're in a neighborhood that hates you, why would you hassle people for very trivial infractions? If cops want to fight the stereotype of being anti-black, they should start with themselves, change their own behavior so the community doesn't view them as a stereotype, ya know?

^^ ha, what's presented as fact? All we have is conjecture in this case, Wilson's entire testimony is conjecture.

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM. Reason : ]

11/26/2014 12:28:41 PM

Why are we still talking. The jury decided. We can pick this chat up after the next one

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11/26/2014 12:32:47 PM

There are police radio records at least

and to be fair it is a yellow lined public road. If I were a cop and driving down it, I'd also tell people to use the sidewalk. Don't think its any proof that he was out to harass.

11/26/2014 12:34:53 PM

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" And if he had just kept rolling on by and someone in a car hit those kids and killed them and some neighbor said they saw a cop drive by without telling them to get out of the street, then the parents would be suing the police department for not maintaining public safety"

It blows my fucking mind that you consider this an intelligent thought. This family couldn't even get the murder of their son to trial, and you seriously think that they could successfully sue the cops for your made up hypothetical?




Man........ go sit down.

11/26/2014 12:38:04 PM

he saved the kid from being run over by shooting him

makes perfect sense

11/26/2014 12:40:24 PM

how could you possibly call this a murder lol

literally zero proof of that

the way these issues divide themselves is sad

11/26/2014 12:43:25 PM

^^^^ yeah the call went out about the robbers, but wilson didn't hear it or didn't pay attention to it, wilson mentions some kind of distortion, so he probably didn't hear it.

The only way to "prove" he was out to harass is to get in his brain.

But considering the police are known to harass blacks in poor areas at a higher rate than other groups, and walking in the road on a calm street is a really trivial thing, and brown clearly reacted very harshly to whatever wilson said to him (if you read the testimony, this part is actually somewhat amusing-- we're supposed to believe that they were all using the queens english for their initial exchange, then they start cursing each other-- clearly a manufactured testimony), it seems it's part of Wilson's routine, and probably most cops that patrol here, to hassle the locals.

It's just what a lot of cops do, and the statistics on over policing and stop and frisk bear this out. Ferguson has a particularly high disparity in stops and searches, even though the hit rate between blacks/whites is about the same.

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ]

11/26/2014 12:44:28 PM

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"how could you possibly call this a murder lol literally zero proof of that"

There really isn't any proof of anything as far as I'm concerned. From my perspective this is another case of "We investigated ourselves, and we found nothing wrong". I'm okay with that because that's how the system works, but its foolish to not consider that.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

11/26/2014 12:47:16 PM

I found this article a rational explanation of the two main testimonies and their differences.
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7287443/dorian-johnson-story
I think that people can generally read between the lines and see that no one is innocent in this case. But the difference is that one person was a high school kid doing things stupid high school kids do, and the other is a grown-ass-man-police-officer who should have handled the situation much differently from the very beginning.

11/26/2014 12:51:00 PM

^^^

all true, maybe even the part about harassment

still doesnt incriminate Wilson in any way

i definitely acknowledge the possibility that Wilson was in the wrong, but that's a issue against police in general, not this one dude

I fucking hate using tww on my phone

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

11/26/2014 12:52:50 PM

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"So as long as a small few black people continue to do bad things, white people will continue to be racist against all black people. Got it."

This is the big problem with things today. People seem to have what racist really means confused. If a person dislikes someone simply because they are black, white, green, whatever that makes you a racist. Disliking the culture and actions that are generally associated with a group of people doesnt make you a racist unless hating disrespectful uncaring individuals is included in racism.

There are definitely some racist assholes out there but I would say most people have nothing against other people simply due to the color of their skin. It has more to do with how those people act and unfortunately a lot of people do lump every person of a group in with all of the bad apples which isnt really racism, but more ignorance. I know personally I have no problem with the people rioting and looting being arrested, gassed, shot, whatever for being a bunch of assholes, it has nothing to do with what race they are if they are white shoot those fuckers too. The problem is how America generally sees other groups on a day to day basis and assumes everyone is like that. This is why going out there and rioting and burning down your town doesnt help your cause of wanting to change the perception of people and simply hurts your cause in the end.

11/26/2014 12:56:49 PM

I think the discussion on race and over-use of force by law enforcement would be much more productive if removed from Michael Brown and the Ferguson situation entirely.

Michael Brown's actions, while not deserving of death, were not innocent. If you can't answer the "what would you have done as the cop" question any differently than Wilson did, you will always have people who think this was justified and in no way about race. If you want to prove your point and expose injustice, then, as harsh as it sounds, you need a better victim to champion.

11/26/2014 12:58:11 PM

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"This is the big problem with things today. People seem to have what racist really means confused. If a person dislikes someone simply because they are black, white, green, whatever that makes you a racist. Disliking the culture and actions that are generally associated with a group of people doesnt make you a racist unless hating disrespectful uncaring individuals is included in racism. "

Racism is much, much more than that. It's the systrematic under-representation, and negative representation of an entire class of people based on the skin color. When their stereotypes are discussed in the news on a more active level, it further cements how society can continue their bias (as they have "evidence" that the stereotypes are true). HOWEVER, the same media does not accurately portray other races in that same negative light for the same actions, nor do they care to highlight stories of instances where the stereotype doesn't work.

11/26/2014 1:08:31 PM

Haha Booze Filled Revelers.

11/26/2014 1:10:39 PM

^^^ you can't speak about police-minority relations in the abstract, though. Those same people who justify this particular incident shrug off the statistics and downplay the significance. You have to show them something visceral to point to as an example of the larger picture. And even then, you get the deniers.

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" Disliking the culture and actions that are generally associated with a group of people doesnt make you a racist "

Wait, what?

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 1:16 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 1:18 PM. Reason : ]

11/26/2014 1:15:34 PM

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"all true, maybe even the part about harassment still doesnt incriminate Wilson in any way i definitely acknowledge the possibility that Wilson was in the wrong, but that's a issue against police in general, not this one dude I fucking hate using tww on my phone "

What incriminates Wilson is that he killed an unarmed teenager who by at least some witness accounts, was surrendering.

The details of this case should have never been argued by a grand jury, where 1 lawyer (who is obviously heavily pro-cop) controls both sides of the story, controlled the jury selection (by extending his existing jury), and didn't ask for a charge. This was a travesty of justice, no matter what happened. How does a cop shoot an unarmed person, we have no concrete account of what happened except 1 cop vs several witnesses, and there's no real investigation into the matter?

Had there been a trial, there would have at least been an attempt to investigate the details of each story, and try to establish a frame of mind for both agents. Why did Brown, who has no criminal record, decide to rob someone this day? Does brown actually have a hidden history of violence, or was he just having a bad day? Why was Wilson not rehired by the police dept. he used to work for that was disbanded for racism? What kind of cop was wilson really-- we know he lied on a police report a few months earlier, and we know he is not a fan of the supreme court ruling allowing people to video tape cops and reacts aggressively to people expressing this right. What other factors might have affected Wilson's actions (we know he was from a broken home, and recently went through a divorce)?

From what very little we know about this single day in Brown's life, and where he lived, he's a walking stereotype.

From what little we know about Wilson, he too is a walking stereotype of a cop who was picked on who became an officer for the sense of power and control it gave him, that he never had elsewhere in his life.

11/26/2014 1:18:03 PM

Call me a racist, but I just don't trust worgen. Shifty uneducated thugs.

11/26/2014 1:18:46 PM