i dunno maybe he'll talk about hope and change and use white guilt to get the nomination

9/24/2008 4:44:22 PM

Quote :

"^^ you have no clue what he just said, do you? He asked you what will happen to other businesses. As in, won't they be destroyed, thus killing jobs. thus hurting the economy. durrrrrrrr"

I hit a nerve and he offered up a cheap strawman to avoid my original question because he was steamed. Do I really have to reply what happens when profits are "crushed"? If he doesn't know, I'd offer for him to enroll in Econ 101.

9/24/2008 4:44:26 PM

Skankin,

Obama wants to have a debate instead of do his job. That's not change we can believe in.

9/24/2008 4:44:48 PM

Socks dont you know being President is all about talking and sending emails?

9/24/2008 4:45:41 PM

Tree, haha apparently.

Experience doesn't matter (unless you're a VP) because your ability to use a key-board is the most important metric.

9/24/2008 4:47:35 PM

Obama:

Quote :

"It's my belief that, this is exactly the time that the American people need to hear, from the person that will be responsible in dealing with this mess." "IT WILL BE THE PRESIDENTS JOB TO DEAL WITH MULTIPLE ISSUES AT ONCE" "IN MY MIND IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER THAT WE PRESENT OURSELVES TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.... "DON'T INFUSE CAPITAL HILL WITH PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS""

That's your president folks.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 4:51 PM. Reason : :]

9/24/2008 4:50:15 PM

and we're already getting conflicting excuses from the Obama supporters here on TWW

the first couple hours it was "OMG THIS IS NOTHING BUT A PLOY"

then Kainen says it was Obama's idea originally and that somehow it got spun that it was McCain's idea

so....if it indeed was Obama's idea, does that mean it was OMG NOTHING BUT A PLOY by Obama?

no of course not, because if it was Obama's idea, it was a genuine gesture...if it was McCain's idea it was a ploy

9/24/2008 4:51:30 PM

It was Obama's idea to issue a joint statement with McCain about the crisis. Suspending the campaign and postponing the debate was 100% McCain.

9/24/2008 4:52:27 PM

You COUNTRY FIRST guys are making me laugh

9/24/2008 4:54:35 PM

so Obama wanted to issue a joint statement...not be involved in the talks in Washington...but to issue a statement...and that statement would do what? blow more smoke up the public's asses that they're on top of it?

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ^dont lie...apparently mccain is making you shit your collective pants right about now]

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : oh snap 70707]

9/24/2008 4:54:52 PM

Quote :

"^dont lie...apparently mccain is making you shit your collective pants right about now]"

Come on. McCain has given up nearly 10% in the matter of a weak because of how out of touch he was about the economy. The Dems are practically salivating at this economic crisis because it seems the country is going to swing back towards more regulation, which is right up their alley. I'm a little shocked OReilley hasn't shouted out "THE DEMOCRATS PROBABLY WANT THE ECONOMY TO FAIL, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY CHANCE THEY HAVE AT GETTING ELECTED"

It's like, the new terrorist attack catchphrase of the week.

If anything, the dems are shitting their pants with glee at how hard a blow has been dealt to the mccain campaign over this.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 4:59 PM. Reason : x]

9/24/2008 4:59:03 PM

W is going down.

--TGD

9/24/2008 4:59:59 PM

Quote :

"...apparently mccain is making you shit your collective pants right about now"

My only concern is how long it's going to take before American's see this for what it is. It took them a good two weeks before realizing Palin was retard dumb and turning against her. I imagine it won't take long at all. This is the ultimate sign of weakness from McCain, and American's hate weakness.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 5:10 PM. Reason : :]

9/24/2008 5:08:50 PM

Quote :

"how long it's going to take before American's see this for what it is. It took them a good two weeks before realizing Palin was retard dumb and turning against her"

i know right...and after a year or two people still dont realize how much of an unqualified retard obama is

Quote :

"The Dems are practically salivating at this economic crisis"

i know...and its sad that they take joy in it...very sad

9/24/2008 5:10:52 PM

They're salivating because they know they have a better solution than the clueless geriatric and his hooker, not because they want to see America fail.

9/24/2008 5:16:39 PM

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"they know they have a better solution"

what solution is that, hope and change?

9/24/2008 5:18:00 PM

Better regulation? Regulation that is actually enforced?

9/24/2008 5:18:56 PM

we all know more government regulation is not the answer

we all = people who work and pay taxes

9/24/2008 5:20:48 PM

we all know more government regulation is the answer

9/24/2008 5:23:19 PM

In this instance, we didn't even need more, just enforce the ones we had. The leverage ratios in place worked for decades. The concept of giving money to someone that can repay it has worked since Og loaned eggshells to Ug in exchange for berries. The iBanks we're allowed to lever up in a massive way, and they've gotten burned.

Edit:

Which is specifically why I said better regulation and regulation that is enforced. The GOP was derelict in their duties to require the SEC to enforce existing rules and regulations. That isn't to say a Democrat would have done it any differently, but, you are the guys quick to claim "another terrorist attack hasn't happened since...", so I think the statement is still apt in this case.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 5:26 PM. Reason : x]

9/24/2008 5:24:48 PM

^ ha! are you gonna put any blame on Fannie and Freddie being allowed to be leveraged far more heavily than any other banks were? probably not. THAT is the kind of "deregulation" that got us into this mess, not to mention the "deregulation" of urging banks to lend to unqualified people.


For the record, this is a dumb move by McCain. It is obviously a ploy, and it's one that really can't do him any good. He is slipping in the polls, so he will stop campaigning? wat? And does he really expect Obama to do the same? If Obama keeps campaigning, then he continues the increase in the polls. Hell, even if Obama stops, he'd probably still increase his lead. Besides, what does it really mean to "stop campaigning?" Even if Obama "stopped," he'll still have the media harping on, doing his dirty work anyway. bad move, McFail

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 5:39 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 5:36:15 PM

wow am I reading that post right?

9/24/2008 6:22:53 PM

^^

yeah that's the silliest thing about "suspending campaigning"

even if he's "suspended it" he's still running for president

9/24/2008 6:26:58 PM

From Palin's interview with CBS Katie Couric today....

Quote :

" COURIC: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight? PALIN: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us. COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more. PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government. COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation? PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you. "

LOL FAIL



[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : -]

9/24/2008 9:03:43 PM

here's the interview.
she is amazingly bad..... seriously, the faster and more we can get her on TV, the better chance Obama has
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ

9/24/2008 9:24:18 PM

Apparently palin loves rape

Critics Question Palin's Record on "Epidemic" Rape, Domestic Violence in Alaska
http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=5804581

9/24/2008 9:53:55 PM

Kainen,

Why is McCain's VP being vetted by the press more thoroughly than the Democratic nominee for President????

Let's have Cati try this one on for size "Senator Obama, you talk quite a bit about change. But could you please provide specific examples of any major reforms you've led during your political career besides the ethics bill recently passed??"

Funny how you never saw that fucking question in Feburary, huh???? Oh but the media is so mean to Obama.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM. Reason : ``]

9/24/2008 10:02:40 PM

Quote :

"^ ha! are you gonna put any blame on Fannie and Freddie being allowed to be leveraged far more heavily than any other banks were? probably not. THAT is the kind of "deregulation" that got us into this mess,"

Is that arrow pointed at me? If so, that might be one of the most obtuse statements to my post that I can think of.

9/24/2008 10:03:34 PM

What a laughing-stock of a campaign. I don't know what's wrong with Socks. Is he serious?

9/24/2008 10:12:56 PM

Quote :

"Why is McCain's VP being vetted by the press more thoroughly than the Democratic nominee for President???? "

Does McCain send out an email with these talking points, or what?

Obama has been constantly in the media for a year now, with everything being thrown at him, put this ON TOP of the fact that he gave a lengthy appearance in the most hostile venue possible (Fox News), on a blatantly anti-liberal commentary show, and you should easily be able to see that your delusions that the media is ignoring Obama are wrong. The fact alone that he gave O'Reilly an interview shows he has confidence in his positions and views.

The McCain camp is obviously regretting their pick of Palin.

^ It's a puzzling move, but there's plenty of time for them to better their position. The worst thing you can do is underestimate them.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 10:16:52 PM

You know one VP candidate that NEVER says anything idiotic?? Joe Biden...haha!!

What a fucking bullshit interview. Why is Palin being asked about McCain's record? She's running to be VP, not his fucking biographer. WHAT FUCKING HOSE SHIT.

9/24/2008 10:20:42 PM

^Troll alert.

9/24/2008 10:21:43 PM

^^ Why didn't she just say then "look, i haven't been following his career for 26 years, i've been too busy raising a family/running a city/running a state" but instead she mad a pathetic deflection of "no, McCain is a maverick!"

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 10:22:12 PM

moron, Obama did not give his interview with Papa Bear until AFTER he was nominated. Also, during that interview he refused to answer several direct questions, such as his stance on how seriously he takes the threat of a nuclear Iran.

Just because Obama got in a ton of shit over his preacher (which the media praised him for by the way, remember that race speech that was suppose to be the next Cooper union address) doesn't mean he recieved the same level of questioning as Palin.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:28 PM. Reason : 33]

9/24/2008 10:25:55 PM

You're not fooling anyone with this shit. Just go away.

9/24/2008 10:34:41 PM

^ Your post count is the same forward as it is backward...do you know what they call that?

A PALINdrome!!!!

9/24/2008 10:38:47 PM

^^^ Why is it relevant that he didn't go on fox until after the nomination?

Both Obama and Palin are free to refuse questions. No one is doubt that.

But Palin did not exercise that option in the case we're talking about, and instead chose to try (and fail) to BS her way through it.

9/24/2008 10:41:33 PM

^ Actually that sounds exactly like what she did.

9/24/2008 10:45:20 PM

(serious question)

how much of a letdown is it gonna be for some of you when North Carolina once again gives all its electoral votes to the red party ticket?

9/24/2008 10:47:02 PM

^^ Are you kidding?

Quote :

"Couric: You’ve said, quote, “John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business.” Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight? Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that’s paramount. That’s more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us. Couric: But he’s been in Congress for 26 years. He’s been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more. Palin: He’s also known as the maverick though, taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he’s been talking about - the need to reform government. Couric: But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you’ve said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this? Palin: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today. Couric: I’m just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation. Palin: I’ll try to find you some and I’ll bring them to you."

Clearly she tried the BS before she just gave up.

9/24/2008 10:47:50 PM

I like how McCain snubbed Letterman by telling him he had to go to Washington so he couldn't be on the program tonight but he was really down the street in New York being interviewed by Katie Couric when The Late Show was taping...letterman pwnt

9/24/2008 10:48:56 PM

Quote :

" PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government. COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation? PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you."

I'm still laughing at this....

9/24/2008 10:49:08 PM

^ no it was because he was met with the moneyed former Clinton fundraiser Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, who recently threw her support to McCain.

PUMA BABY. LOL. What a jackass. Now that is SERIOUS BUSINESS FOR HIM TO ATTEND TO!

What's next? Jump in your Country First Underoos (tm) and stomp on Washington when the bill is already done so you can take credit for it Monday? YOU BETCHA

9/24/2008 10:52:34 PM

Quote :

"how much of a letdown is it gonna be for some of you when North Carolina once again gives all its electoral votes to the red party ticket?"

it will be dissapointing, for sure, but the silver lining is that the trends in NC are clearly in our favor, and maybe it will just take a couple more elections to switch

Quote :

"like how McCain snubbed Letterman by telling him he had to go to Washington so he couldn't be on the program tonight but he was really down the street in New York being interviewed by Katie Couric when The Late Show was taping...letterman pwnt"

letterman pwnt?
how about.... McCain tells a lie....

Quote :

"PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to ya"

fixed

9/24/2008 10:56:11 PM

Thank the lord, McCain arrived in Washington just in time too.......not do a goddamn thing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2448444820080925

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:00 PM. Reason : new update makes McCain look even dumber!]

9/24/2008 10:58:17 PM

In a panic-stricken move to save the economy, this crisis may drive voters to put the country into the hands of a capitalism-hating marxist. Press Obama on this, and he will put almost all the blame on the business sector. He will deny that democrats had anything to do with this.

Groups like ACORN which high-pressured banks and gov't into giving housing loans to people who were clearly unable to repay will be spared any criticism from Obama.

Why not ask: "Sen. Obama, did any of your actions as a Community Activist involve working with groups like ACORN in getting housing loans for people who had a high probability of not being able to make payments?"

9/24/2008 10:58:31 PM

Quote :

"how much of a letdown is it gonna be for some of you when North Carolina once again gives all its electoral votes to the red party ticket? "

Fucking elated. I'm arming up in case the Obamazons want to start shit.

9/24/2008 10:59:53 PM

Quote :

"I'm arming up in case the Obamazons want to start shit."

what the hell are you talking about redneck? You gonna whip out your rifle or something?

9/24/2008 11:02:21 PM

^^^ The companies gladly gave those loans, because they knew they'd make money in the short term.

Lots of groups pressure businesses to do lots of things, but businesses don't typically do them if it results in their catastrophic failure.

The businesses embraced those groups, because they thought they would end up better off.

9/24/2008 11:03:45 PM

its kinda funny...heres something i've noticed...it seems that many of the Obama supporters on TWW already hate McCain and Palin more than George W. Bush...based on what is my question

9/24/2008 11:04:38 PM