SR - Howell, Wood (2)
JR - CJL, Zo, Vandy, Turner (4)
SO - De Thaey (1)
FR - Purvis, Warren, Lewis (3)

3 open now. 5 open next year (probably 7 open depending on CJL and Zo)

5/16/2012 10:59:01 AM

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"probably 7 open depending on CJL and Zo"

5/16/2012 11:06:23 AM

right, that is a massive number.

god we are so fucked. we're going to have one good year and then lose absolutely everything.

5/16/2012 11:14:31 AM

7 Open could be the making of something wonderful, but it's most likely going to be absolutely terrifying. We aren't Caltucky.

5/16/2012 11:15:24 AM

if we beat down on duke an carolina this year we can probably steak some kids from them..

Only reason people go there is because they want to win.

5/16/2012 11:16:58 AM

Transfer guy isn't on your list

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 11:17 AM. Reason : lol jk dood]

5/16/2012 11:17:07 AM

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"As long as we don't have two major injuries...we'll be fine."

thanks for the NC State S*** jinx. kiss the season goodbye, folks.

5/16/2012 11:22:12 AM

2013 Roster
Lewis
Purvis
Turner
Warren
Vandenburg
de Thaey

(Losses: Wood, Howell, Brown, Leslie)

5/16/2012 11:22:49 AM

Our 2013 roster should be fine as long as we sign a good class next year. It should be a solid top 35, tourney team, IMO. We need at least one impact, can play right now freshmen and other guys that can fill in immediately. Since we haven't exactly been recruiting scrubs, I don't see how that will be a problem.

5/16/2012 11:27:50 AM

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"god we are so fucked. we're going to have one good year and then lose absolutely everything."

while i share your concern, i'm trying to be a little more optimisic. if we can get a couple big guys in 2013 who are ready to contribute immediately (randle), we should be ok.

edit: and i know some people think that vandy and tdt will suck indefinitely, but i'm going to wait and see. they could be beasts by 2013.

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ]

5/16/2012 11:37:20 AM

i hope we don't sign 7 guys next year. that would be a disaster. usually in those big classes you end up with 1 or 2 guys who can play and then a lot of middling scrubs. half of which will end up transferring anyway

i want five guys MAX. honestly we still have the 1-3 spots set in terms of starters for 2013. lewis, purvis, turner. we desperately need some size and another guard who can handle the ball sure as hell wouldn't hurt but throwing scholarships away isn't the solution. most of the time those guys end up transferring anyway

5/16/2012 11:43:21 AM

you guys need to put a little more faith into MG

some of you act like the end of the world is upon us because Amile Jefferson didn't sign with us and that is just ridiculous

5/16/2012 11:44:26 AM

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"Our 2013 roster should be fine as long as we sign a good class next year. It should be a solid top 35, tourney team, IMO. We need at least one impact, can play right now freshmen and other guys that can fill in immediately. Since we haven't exactly been recruiting scrubs, I don't see how that will be a problem."

yeah dude, we should be fine in 2013 if we can find like four freshmen who are ready to play... that should be no problem.

5/16/2012 11:46:27 AM

yeah, losing Amile isnt a huge deal. I think after we kick ass on the court this season and put 2-3 guys into the league, we'll have plenty of guys wanting to step in and contribute

Gottfried hasnt let me down yet, so until he does I'm going to trust him

5/16/2012 11:46:47 AM

not...worried....at.... all.

He took us from the bottom of the acc to near the top in one season without any game changing tallent changes...

I feel he can mold anyone into a better player and i trust his instinct.

1 year at a time bitches...

5/16/2012 11:47:15 AM

Hey Guys,

I heard Amile didnt committ! What a bummer!!

5/16/2012 11:50:02 AM

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"yeah dude, we should be fine in 2013 if we can find like four freshmen who are ready to play... that should be no problem."

One freshmen that can make an impact. The others just have to be serviceable. Tyler Harris wasn't serviceable. He was a shitty recruit (was he even in the top 100?? I thought I remember him being a 3-star). We need guys that can play 10-15 minutes a game. Work on your reading comprehension.

5/16/2012 11:51:49 AM

We got The Glorified Gottfried Gang ITT

5/16/2012 11:54:10 AM

maybe we'll get some walk-ons with some passion.

5/16/2012 11:54:22 AM

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"Work on your reading comprehension."

it's not my reading comprehension, it's your basketball comprehension.

we're going to replace wood, brown, howell and leslie with... one good player and a handful that can play 15 minutes per game. that's what you just said.

5/16/2012 12:05:42 PM

State fans are outrageous sometimes. We'll be fine.

5/16/2012 12:06:31 PM

^^is that one good player Julius Randle, cause if he is we dont need other players

5/16/2012 12:09:03 PM

I'm just going to say that I think Brown will be a four year player. Not because he can't jump, but because he won't. It will be very similar to what Leslie did this year.

5/16/2012 12:10:34 PM

Can we just give all 7 scholarships to Julius Randle

5/16/2012 12:15:16 PM

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"we're going to replace wood, brown, howell and leslie with... "

...turner, warren, lewis, purivs, vandy and tdt, at the very least. again, we probably need one or two more big guys that can give us 10 mpg (or randle), and we should be fine


[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2012 12:16:22 PM

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"we're going to replace wood, brown, howell and leslie with... one good player and a handful that can play 15 minutes per game. that's what you just said."

We're going to replace them with guys we will already have on the team. Are you that dense? Did we replace Tracy Smith with TDT and Tyler Harris? Fuck no. We replaced his inside scoring with Howell's and CJL.

Now you're just being annoying.

We will already have a solid core with the guys that are coming back. We will need one guy that can come in and have some solid production as a freshmen. The others can have Painter/Alex Johnson type roles.



[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 12:21 PM. Reason : .]

5/16/2012 12:20:05 PM

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"god we are so fucked. we're going to have one good year and then lose absolutely everything. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

5/16/2012 12:57:33 PM

Swing and a miss, synapse

5/16/2012 1:02:03 PM

According to you I'm batting .000, so no surprise there.

I don't see anyone making the point he's representing.

5/16/2012 1:04:14 PM

He is making the point, you dummy.

5/16/2012 1:18:21 PM

i understand the concept, jbrick83. the problem w/ arguing w/ you is that you don't even understand what the argument is. i think this is b/c you don't actually watch basketball, but i could be wrong.

i'm not saying that you have to replace seniors w/ freshmen that are as good as seniors. that's stupid. i'm familiar w/ the concept of players growing up. what i'm saying is that we are going to lose:

wood, a 4 year starter
howell, a 3 year starter
leslie, a 3 year starter
brown, a 3 year starter

and replace them with:

purvis, a 1 year starter
lewis, a 1 year backup
warren, a 1 year backup
turner, i'm not even going to try to quantify this, but for the record i like the pickup a lot

then sprinkle in a few freshmen and be good to go. we're down a ton of experience. we are going to have a huge dropoff if we don't do something here. i'm not concerned that we won't have enough bodies to put on the floor, i'm concerned that we're going to have one good season and then not be able to capitalize on it b/c we just don't have the numbers. don't even mention TBDV or TDT, b/c those guys just aren't happening in the way we need them to.

if you think that this is incorrect then i'd love to discuss it w/ you. but stop saying stupid shit like

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"We're going to replace them with guys we will already have on the team. Are you that dense? Did we replace Tracy Smith with TDT and Tyler Harris? Fuck no. We replaced his inside scoring with Howell's and CJL."

and pretending it's relevant.

5/16/2012 1:31:46 PM

This is just what happens when you have a class that consists of Raymond, Harris, and TDT. Two transfers and a project. It's almost like taking a year off from recruiting, honestly. It tends to happen during coaching changes or when you just recruit poorly (for every good player Lowe recruited he brought in an equally shitty one). Honestly, Raymond was never going to play and the jury was still out on Harris. As long as we can keep recruiting at an above average to high level everything will be fine.

And for the record, I fully expect us to have a drop off after next year. That writing has been on the wall for a while now. That's just what happens when you lose almost your entire starting lineup in one season. Adding Amile wouldn't have prevented that; it would only have mitigated it. So, in short, we have one more recruiting cycle to try and mitigate the drop off that we are going to experience, but rest assured that the drop off is imminent. That's just a part of sports.

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2012 1:34:18 PM

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"Honestly, Raymond was never going to play "

this is probably one of my biggest pet peeves of this board. you have absolutely no idea how good he was (since he never played), and have absolutely no idea how he's going to progress over the next 3 years. plenty of people probably said the same silly thing about cjw. and i, for one, am extremely glad that he stuck around.

5/16/2012 1:37:54 PM

really what it comes down to is that to look at a roster that will have seven open scholarships and not be concerned is objectively stupid. there is just flat out no arguing about it, that is a bad situation.

5/16/2012 1:41:44 PM

^^That's true, but that attitude is not unique to "this board". Every sports fan everywhere in every sport does this. We make projections in our mind based on what we've heard and seen. The reason I feel okay in saying that is because he didn't play much at all this year, and wasn't going to play much at all this year. That leaves him looking at his junior season before he even has a chance at significant playing time. Not too sure a player that hasn't shown much if any promise is going to blossom in two seasons of play.

I mean, by your logic we might as well never speculate or prognosticate. Because you never know what might happen. Raymond could have blossomed into the next Jordan! Why did we let him get away!? Amile could be the biggest flop of all time! Why did we even bother recruiting him? Because people take evidence, put two and two together, and form opinions on what they expect a players performance to be. And based on that I wasn't holding out any hope that Raymond would be worth a damn to this program. You want to argue against that then be my guest.

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2012 1:42:18 PM

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"He is making the point, you dummy."

Oh damn. I thought it was off the charts sarcasm. I totally missed the context of his other posts. Perhaps this is more appropriate:

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"this is probably one of my biggest pet peeves of this board. you have absolutely no idea how good he was (since he never played), and have absolutely no idea how he's going to progress over the next 3 years. plenty of people probably said the same silly thing about cjw. and i, for one, am extremely glad that he stuck around."

Agreed.

Stupid statements abound on this page.

5/16/2012 1:42:45 PM

^^^i ain't arguing that, i'm just thinking (hoping) that we won't instantly drop back to the cellar.

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 1:44 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2012 1:43:44 PM

I guess none of you guys followed Texas this year. They lost a ton of talent, came back guard heavy with a front court that consisted of a former bench player and a scrub, and still finished in the top half of a loaded Big 12 conference.

I think that we will do just fine with Lewis, Purv, Warren, and Turner

5/16/2012 1:47:12 PM

Of all the stupid statements you pick, "Raymond was never going to play." Okay guy

5/16/2012 1:48:29 PM

mother fucker your example of a good outcome is a team that went 9-9 in conference and got bounced the first game of the tournament.

i'm not trying to secure a spot in the middle of the ACC, jesus christ. i want to win fucking basketball games.

5/16/2012 1:48:54 PM

^^of all the comments, you decided to respond to mine. ok guy.

5/16/2012 1:51:43 PM

it's called a thread...follow it. i wasn't saying anything to you until you said that my assumption that raymond would never play is one of the things that annoy you about this board. whatever, just my opinion that he would have never amounted to much. everyone was saying pretty much the same thing when he transferred out of here.

5/16/2012 1:55:25 PM

That's better synapse

You're off the hook

This time!

5/16/2012 1:58:26 PM

Gonna be a long off-season

5/16/2012 2:00:26 PM

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"mother fucker your example of a good outcome is a team that went 9-9 "

It was very good relatively speaking. That team was absolutely depleted of talent and they still found a way to compete because Rick Barnes went to 13 straight NCAA tourneys, and wasn't about to sit out because of a talent drop off. I have confidence in Gott and in his abilities given how quickly things turned around last season.

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 2:03 PM. Reason : e]

5/16/2012 2:02:55 PM

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"purvis, a 1 year starter lewis, a 1 year backup warren, a 1 year backup turner, i'm not even going to try to quantify this, but for the record i like the pickup a lot"

You know Lewis and Warren will be back-ups because they backing up the best point guard and power forward in the ACC?? It's not like they are bench players.

I know there's plenty of gray area because we haven no idea how any of those freshmen are going to perform next year. But if they perform up to an average of their expectations, then they will be extremely solid sophomores who will have a year of decent PT and will have practiced against some of the best players in the country every day in practice.

So we'll have a very talented backcourt and at the very least, a sizable front court of TDT and Vandy. We just need to add depth and skill in the post and depth in the back court.

Like I said...we'll be a borderline, to solid NCAA tourney team if we recruit well for the '13 class. Are you disagreeing with that?

Did you honestly think we were just going to reload UNC/Kentucky style for Gott's first three years?

5/16/2012 2:12:24 PM

^^ that's my whole point. i no longer want to live in a world where i'm satisfied by "relative" success. i don't want to go into seasons thinking "if we're not in the acc's cellar, this'll be a good year".

i want to win basketball games, and i want to do it in march.

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"Like I said...we'll be a borderline, to solid NCAA tourney team if we recruit well for the '13 class. Are you disagreeing with that?"

if "recruit well" means only one big player, then yes i'm disagreeing w/ that. and dude you have got to stop mentioning TBDV and TDT, it only makes you look like you've never once seen them play.

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM. Reason : ^]

5/16/2012 2:12:30 PM

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=5754728

5/16/2012 2:18:00 PM

One big player is a Purvis/Sulaiman/Randle type. We pretty much got two of those this year in Warren and Purvis. Filling out the rest with Lewis/Graham/Marcus Melvin types is what I would call "well." One McDAA with the rest being top 50/60 talent is all we need. Anything extra is icing on the cake.

A Hickson type big guy would be phenomenal (hello Randle). Because inside scoring is what we'll need the most in '13. Split the rest into a front and back court depth and we're solid.

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"and dude you have got to stop mentioning TBDV and TDT, it only makes you look like you've never once seen them play."

wtf makes you think that these guys can't give us solid minutes when they're juniors and seniors? You act like shitty big men have never developed. I'm not saying they'll be putting up double doubles. We also won't need them to do that if we get a Hickson/Randle type big man.

I'm definitely not an optimistic person, but you fucking debbie downers make me look like Rainbow Brite.

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

5/16/2012 2:18:59 PM

Good point

They don't need to be good if we get someone good

5/16/2012 2:25:33 PM