Quote :

"What I particulary liked about yesterday was one of my earlier plays. I was a big stack at the table and this guy was playing pretty tight most of the time. He then out of the blue puts $1000 on top of the $200 blinds. I put him on really high cards, and if a pocket pair KK or QQ, or AK. I look down at 7d 6d and call, planning on getting the hell out if the flop comes anything 9 or higher."

if you put him on a pair, then you made a terrible call. You had terrible odds preflop against a higher pocket pair, and you didn't get to see the flop for value.

If he was low in chips, it was even worse of a call, since there was no potential profit from making such a speculative call.

And if you were SB, it's even worse, because you did it out of position.

8/2/2005 2:48:30 PM

oh ok....sounds good to me, i had kind of a rough night last night, i need to bounce back strong

8/2/2005 2:49:02 PM

Quote :

"He had AK. After one caller he raised. I called. The original caller folded. Flop came and since I wasnt first to act I guess I must have been big. Either way I wasnt going to bet at all until I knew I had something."

ummm, if you were in the blinds and he wasn't, then he couldn't have acted first after the flop.

8/2/2005 2:50:38 PM

i guess AK was in the small blind, and it's not a bad call if you think he'll put his whole stack in after the flop...risk a little win a lot if you outflop him, now the only point to consider is that he said he was short stack, which means he might not've gotten a good return on investment, but under "normal" circumstances calling a raise against someone you've made for a big pair isn't such a bad play with small cards like that, hit something solid and he will race you into the pot with his 1 pair jmo

8/2/2005 2:53:19 PM

For some reason my mind was screaming AK. Unless AK hits and hit big its really not that strong of a hand. I am sure he would have pushed it all with KK. Maybe that was my reasoning and the fact that I've taken down a lot of pots with small suited connectors against high face cards.


^^It was he and I in the blinds. Frankly I think he was going after me since I was a big stack and he had a pretty nice hand and was probably putting me on calling.


^Exactly. People always over value top pair. If they limp in with K rag and hit a K on the flop they think they've got it made. Its even better when they make a set and all you need is one card for a straight and they check trying to trap and you make your straight.

[Edited on August 2, 2005 at 2:55 PM. Reason : 654tyegd]

8/2/2005 2:53:25 PM

AK is an extremely strong hand... and it's a hand you can get rid of after the flop, so in that regards it's not a bad play.

People do overvalue top pair. But when a person is short stacked, you don't have much choice when you get it. And you certainly don't "read" people holding 67suited after a preflop raise. So on a flop like that, you go all-in.

Frankly, from the way you've described the story. I'd say it was a bad play on your part. And I certainly wouldn't fault the other guy for going all-in. When you are low stack against the big stack, you certainly can't shy away from top pair / best kicker. Just gotta hope that if big stack calls, he shows something like KQ, KJ.

8/2/2005 3:05:44 PM

fuck that, 67 is the shit.

[Edited on August 2, 2005 at 3:08 PM. Reason : i put people on that all the time!]

8/2/2005 3:08:03 PM

i agree that when you are short stack you have to pick your spots, but that is about it.

8/2/2005 3:18:30 PM

the only thing that matters here is position and stack size.

wihtout knowing both of the respective stack sizes, then the proper play cannot be determined.

8/2/2005 3:18:40 PM

i think 6-7 had MUCH more than a-k, but that doesn't mean a-k was short stack...if he was then i probably wouldn't have played it, but if he had an average stack i mostly likely would've called the raise

8/2/2005 3:19:56 PM

He had about $2500 in chips after his $1000 raise. Everyone started with $5000 in chips. I had about $10,000 counting only my highest valued chips.

8/2/2005 3:25:20 PM

in a cash game my rule is ill call a raise up to 5% of my chips on a speculative hand with position. speculative meaning i know im a huge dog, and will either pump it up, or dump it.

the most important part about this rule isnt the 5%. its the opponents stack size. there is a reason that it is against the rules to have your large chips concealed and your true stack size hidden. you must know your opponents stack size prior to making any calculated gamble.

I must also know that I will be able relieve him of at least 10x the cost of the gamble if i hit it. You must not just think this, you must KNOW it.

in a tournament, the tides are a bit different b/c your number one and two goals are rapid accumulation of chips and knocking out others. maybe id commit 7-10% depending on the opponents stack size (with position and a good read). I would not want him to be on a short stack (meaning he commited nearly half or more of his chips with his PFR), b/c even if he whiffs with AK, hes going all in if the pot gives him anywhere near 1:1 or 2:1 if he pushes on a blank flop. Ideally, id like him to feel committed to the pot, but only truely having commited less than 1/4 of his stack to his PFR. People will be inclined to feel commited giving 25% of their chips to the pot when getting desperate and the blinds are starting to hurt.

knocking out someone is worth more of a gamble, primarly because it increases your equity in the payout.

so without proper knowledge of the Ak's stack size vs the 67 stacksize, we cannot tell the proper move.

8/2/2005 3:30:07 PM

Quote :

"Anyone ever notice certin hands that always seem to hit a flop? These 3 hands work on pokerroom roughly 75% of the time: A2 36 Q10 Sadly the 36 may be the strongest.... I've never seen a hand boat up more when i play it. Does this happen on a lot of sites with particular combos of cards?"

I know on Absolute, 10 8 seems to hit alot.

8/2/2005 4:37:03 PM

It sounds to me like a classic case of a loose player with little/no conception of what pot odds are who feels he made a good play when he called with an inferior hand and hit. I play a lot of poker and I've seen it a lot.

8/2/2005 7:27:35 PM

This all happened within the hour...


I go to a tavern to play and the 2nd hand I get pocket deuces. I just call and the flop comes and there is a straight draw out there. Now I'm only checking until I see someone bet so that way I will know who is on a straight draw. Everyone checks. The turn is another deuce. So this time I'm like, "well I have to bet and hope they think im on a straight draw and maybe someone caught a small piece of the flop, maybe pairing one of there cards, and will call." I have one caller and I think he does have a piece, he's on a straight draw. River does nothing to help either of us. He just sits there and sits there so I think its to me so I say "all in" and he's like no its to me. He then goes all in and I'm like he either has the straight or he is doing that b/c of what I just said. I wanted to know so I call. Turns out he stayed in with A7 offsuit...oh well.



I'm at another tavern, right after this one. There is this guy that I know is quite aggresive sitting on my left. Well we all bet and he raises (blinds were, 50cents and $1). Everyone else folds and I look down at Q4 offsuit. Of course I but him on high cards and think for a bit before I call (keep in mind Ive played with him before). The flop comes J T 9. I check (i shouldnt have) and he bets. I go all in. Now I am thinking that he has to see this straight. And if he has even a subpar hand he will get out. He calls and flips over J 6. I flip over my Q4 and everyone see that I have a straight draw and a few even ask what he has not even realizing that he only paired his J. Of course I dont hit any of it and I tell him good job on raising with J high out of position. I hope he contiunes to make such creative plays in the future.


I just dont understand it sometimes. Yes you all are going to say "well you shouldnt have went all in, you should have been more conservative." But who could in their right mind would call such a bet with only high card and a bad kicker. Yes I know KQ would have been the nuts and my all in was risky but the look on his face did not say KQ. It said bullshit. I've played with him before and if he has high card he thinks he has you beat. Frankly I think my play was at least justified even though I am not still sitting at the table. I had a K an 8 and a 7 to make my straight. I had a 64% chance to hit any of them. At most he had about a 30% chance to make a hand beside pairing a J. Yes our out may have been folded but I know you all are gonna ask for justification and that is all I can give for now....flame on.

[Edited on August 2, 2005 at 8:47 PM. Reason : 3etrdgf]

8/2/2005 8:26:37 PM

Quote :

"The flop comes J T 9.... He calls and flips over J 6...he only has J high"

u sure?

Dude, it's free bar poker. Play every damn hand.

8/2/2005 8:41:20 PM

Yeah, but I cant help walking in and playing any poker I play like its a cash game...to play it in a bullshit way is kinda negating the purpose of the game...to quote someone else " You may as well play slot machines"

8/2/2005 8:51:54 PM

Quote :

"I had a K an 8 and a 7 to make my straight. I had a 64% chance to hit any of them. At most he had about a 30% chance to make a hand beside pairing a J."

i don't see how a a 7 would have done you any good. maybe you meant K, Q, or 8....K or 8 giving you a straight and a Q giving you a better pair. but thats 11 out of 45 unseen cards. where did the 64% come from?

8/2/2005 9:27:46 PM

^Thanks. I did mean eight

I had 3 cards to make my hand: K Q or 8

There are 4 Kings in the deck, 4 Queens in the deck on in my hand, and 4 8's in the deck.

That gives me 12 outs counting the Q in my hand.


I have 2 chances to hit either of these 12 cards which is 24. Multiply that by 2 and I have a 48% chance of making my hand...so I did make a mistake in that approximation and looking at it, less than 50% percent isnt the best but it sure is better than him.


Like I said, the majority of these cards could have been folded but I cant go by that, I can only go by feeling and little bit of numbers...



[Edited on August 2, 2005 at 9:45 PM. Reason : 4y5r6htfg]

8/2/2005 9:43:05 PM

Assuming you didn't share any suits:

You were up 59/41 preflop
Down 59/41 post flop (Assumin no flush draws)
A rag on the turn left you with 30% at best

And the Q in your hand doesn't count as an out

8/2/2005 9:55:04 PM

Quote :

"I have 2 chances to hit either of these 12 cards which is 24. Multiply that by 2 and I have a 48% chance of making my hand...so I did make a mistake in that approximation and looking at it, less than 50% percent isnt the best but it sure is better than him."

please go read a book on calculating poker odds before you start throwing percentages out there...

you don't multiply by 2 because you have two chances, that's not how the probabilities of poker work.

Quote :

"I just dont understand it sometimes. Yes you all are going to say "well you shouldnt have went all in, you should have been more conservative." But who could in their right mind would call such a bet with only high card and a bad kicker."

Who in their right mind would call a preflop raise with Q4off, out of position to the raiser? Then perform a check-raise after flop by going all-in. You are screaming "semi-bluff" at this point.

Quote :

"I've played with him before and if he has high card he thinks he has you beat."

Then be patient and wait for a hand to bust him on. You don't semi-bluff this type of player, because you are going to get called when you really don't want to be...

8/3/2005 1:12:32 AM

WHY?: "I've played with him before and if he has high card he thinks he has you beat."

Quote :

"It is very difficult to calculate the exact odds of hitting a drawing hand when you're sitting at the poker table. Unless you're a genius with a gift for mathematics like Chris Ferguson, you will not be able to do it. That leaves two options for the rest of us: The first option is to sit at home with a calculator, figure out the odds for every possible combination of draws, and then memorize them. That way, no matter what situation comes up, you always know the odds. But for those of us without a perfect memory, there's an easier way. Here is a simple trick for estimating those odds. The first thing you need to do is to figure out how many "outs" you have. An "out" is any card that gives you a made hand. To do this, simply count the number of cards available that give the hand you are drawing to. For example: suppose you hold Ac 8c and the flop comes Qh 9c 4c. You have a flush draw. There are thirteen clubs in the deck and you are looking at four of them -- the two in your hand, and the two on the board. That leaves nine clubs left in the deck, and two chances to hit one. The trick to figuring out the approximate percentage chance of hitting the flush is to multiply your outs times the number of chances to hit it. In this case that would be nine outs multiplied by two chances, or eighteen. Then take that number, multiply times two, and add a percentage sign. The approximate percentage of the time you will make the flush is 36%. (The exact percentage is 34.97%.) Now let's say that on that same flop you hold the Jd Th. In this case you would have an open ended straight draw with eight outs to hit the straight (four kings and four eights). Eight outs with two cards to come gives you sixteen outs. Multiply times two and you will hit the straight approximately 32% (31.46% exactly) of the time. One important thing to keep in mind is that the percentage stated is merely the percentage of the time that you will hit the hand you are drawing to, NOT the percentage of time that you will win the pot. You may hit your hand and still lose. In the first example, the Qc will pair the board and may give somearticle a full house. In the second example both the Kc and the 8c will put a possible flush on the board, giving you the straight, but not necessarily the winning hand. Still, knowing the approximate likelihood of making your hand is a good beginning step on the road to better poker. "

[Edited on August 3, 2005 at 1:40 AM. Reason : 56rtf]

8/3/2005 1:35:41 AM

Quote :

"WHY?: "I've played with him before and if he has high card he thinks he has you beat.""

So what in the world did you think he possibly had when he bet preflop, and after the flop?? You still had to draw out, so why make the all-in against a player that thinks he has you beat??

You made two contradictory statements in your thought process. That you thought he'd see the "possible" made straight and fold. Yet if he has a high card he thinks he has you beat. Do you not see how your play was wrong? You play the person before you play the board...

Ideally, you make a play like that (check raise all-in) either when you have nuts and the person is stupid enough to call (like the guy you are describing), or if you think you can just steal it right there (which this guy probably won't do).

Sure, if the guy calls your semi-bluff you aren't dominated and you have a chance to win. But I would go back and say calling preflop raises out of position with Q4off is the whole reason behind your problems.

Quote :

"Eight outs with two cards to come gives you sixteen outs. Multiply times two and you will hit the straight approximately 32% (31.46% exactly) of the time."

yes, i know how to approximate the odds. but you need to go read about figuring out how many outs you actually have. I mean, you can't even recite the hand without having to change it, so I'm skeptical of any percentages you start throwing out there.

8/3/2005 10:13:43 AM

You also seem to be overlooking the possibility that he had a dominant hand. Even loose players get good cards once in a whle... he could have hit a set, or a straight as well. And no loose player as you've described is ever going to toss away top pair, even with a 2 kicker (let alone whatever he had).

Next time, let him bully and get confident, then trap him with a big hand... like QQ, not Q4, it's pretty easy to do in these bar games. Those types of players make their livings off moves like you describe here in those games - all luck, no skill.

[Edited on August 3, 2005 at 1:04 PM. Reason : fwe]

8/3/2005 1:03:38 PM

don,
if i ever play poker with you, and you have a Q spade in your hand, and a Q spade flips, I am kicking you ass.

Cards in your hand are not outs. They can not come on the flop, turn OR river simply because they are already in play.

8/3/2005 1:12:49 PM

Ah thedonjuan, welcome to poker taverns....

I need to get out and play the circuit again to relearn how to play agianst fish. It's such a useful skill to have, espeically since poker's popularity is skyrocketing...

Here's the problem with your rant. You correctly identify your opponent(s) as a fish, then chastise him for playing like one. When playing against loose bad players it's typically best to wait for a good hand so that the fish pay you off.

By playing bad hands against them you're lowering the chance that you have a better starting hand than them. Therefore, to make the play profitable, you have to be confident that you can out play your opponent post-flop. The problem is that its tough to outplay a loose player that will likely call you down.

In your Q4 story you made a bad play. First, Q4 even in position is not a hand you play, EVER. Even if your opponent has a crap hand, he could have you dominated with Q6, another crappy hand. Worse, bad players love to play Aces and Kings with bad kickers. If that's the case you're a 3:2 underdog already. Odds are you'll have to improve to win, and from the sound of it your opponent would probably follow you all the way to the river to outdraw you anyway.

Secondly, the flop showed three middle-high cards. Odds are your opponent got a piece of it. Besides, bad players love to play any two reasonably high cards and connecters. Finally, you made an incorrect assumption that your opponent would dump his mediocre hand in the face of a big bet. Bad players make dumb calls, not big laydowns.


You want to beat the fish? Stop playing like them.

8/3/2005 1:16:27 PM

^ i second this.

8/3/2005 1:18:49 PM

TJ
I miss you.

8/3/2005 1:45:07 PM

Thanks you all. I was a bit frustrated I guess b/c I left another tavern after making a call I knew I should have thrown away

Quote :

"don, if i ever play poker with you, and you have a Q spade in your hand, and a Q spade flips, I am kicking you ass. "

Thanks for the insidious remark although I assume you knew what I meant...I may not be the best but I am damn sure not that incompetent...As for kicking my ass, I'd have to see how big you are first even though I am a little scrawny...we scrawnies can hold our own quite well sometimes


I guess playing poker with two tests looming over you the next day isnt such a great idea. Good thing I'm stress free tonite...well at least until the weekend

8/3/2005 5:14:33 PM

^

I kind of want to play tonight.

8/3/2005 5:43:41 PM

*ahem*

Once again..... http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=262166

8/3/2005 6:18:58 PM

David mentioned this a few pages ago,

but it really seems as if i am getting bored as piss of nl holdem online.

its turned into nothing but a grind, almost akin to 4 tabling 10 top limit.

i find the only thing that excites me anymore is the 6/5-max limit tables for holdem. lots of action...

lots of variance, but lots of action.

for the past week, ive only played omaha. i would really rather play omaha hi, but the games are scarce where ive been playing and id rather not play on party right now.

ultimate bet seems to have a rather nice omaha hi/lo game on a regular basis. the 3/6 with a half kill is alot of fun there. sometimes the game isnt nearly as loose as id like a good oh8 game to be, but it always seems as if the 2/4 half kill is the opposite. one will be loose, other will be tight.. its strange.

I fell in love with omaha about a year ago, played almost nonstop for a few months, then went back to holdem almost exclusively about january.

my flame is rekindled. ahahahah

i like stud, but im a huge fucking fish in stud. (plus its hard as fuck to multitable stud and keep track of dead cards, which puts you at a huge disadvantage if you dont)

anyone got a good recomendation for a good stud book? id prefer one that was sort of advanced, but still covered all the basics adequately.. i dont really want to start with 7CS for advanced players by skalansky, im pretty sure that would just turn me off by making my head spin when im just starting to really get the game.

Ive read enough to have a basic understanding of proper 7CS strategy, but not optimal.

8/3/2005 6:32:07 PM

^^i'd agree with you usually... but the talk has been pretty stale lately, so a few fresh stories can't hurt (even if they are freebies)...

8/3/2005 9:52:52 PM

^^ I'm bored of NLHE too, I'm gonna permanently switch to razz as soon as I manage a winning session or two.. I'm 0/3 so far

Maybe they'll make a new pokertracker for razz soon, that would help

8/3/2005 10:26:50 PM

for anyone interested, phil ivey and mike matusow are playing HU 50/100 nl, 10k each..

on full tilt

[Edited on August 4, 2005 at 12:05 AM. Reason : e]

8/4/2005 12:04:48 AM

there's nothing like misreading your opponent and calling an all-in with top pair, only to catch runner-runner full house to beat his flopped nut flush... oops

8/4/2005 12:52:33 AM

^^how do you know it's really them?

8/4/2005 8:28:35 AM

i guess you dont really know its them.

but since they are sponsored by the site, have customized avatars to appear in thier likenesses, and the names

"phil ivey" and "mike matusow" and their relative playing styles, ill take it FWIW.


i guess you really dont know anything about anyone online now do you.


i mean, i always sign up for sites as a female. ahahah

ive played with a few pros before, usually before they were pros.

i used to regularly play oh8 with scott fischman, before he went off and won a few wsop events. now he doesnt play the 5/10 anymore =/ (he was a total fish back then, he was just learing omaha i think)

[Edited on August 4, 2005 at 8:55 AM. Reason : weeeee]

8/4/2005 8:49:54 AM

Quote :

"I'm gonna permanently switch to razz "

that shit looks insane from the few times ive seen it played

8/5/2005 1:52:51 AM

I promised Borgata stories, but I don't have much time, so here are some highlights from $1/2 NL...

- Some huge black guy came by our table to chat to one of the players and I commented on how big he was after he left. Turns out, it was Donald Brashear (sp?). Apparently, a bunch of hockey players were there my first night.

- I won a LOT of money with pocket jacks (over several hands). People that hate jacks just don't know how to play them.

- On my last night, these two mafia guys sat at my table, talking about how no one knew how to play "real" poker (read: bluff, bluff, bluff). They each buy in for $300 and I quickly find out that Bobby Bobberini loves to raise the shit out of any ace and his friend Veal Scallopini loves to call the shit out of any hand. Not long after they've been playing, I pick up AsKs on the small blind. Bobberini raises to $25, Scallopini calls and I call after a little acting. The flop comes out Ad-5s-9s. I check, Bobberini bets out $40, Scallopini calls and I call after a quick contemplation. The turn is another spade and I just hit my nut flush. I check, Bobberini bets out $80, Scallopini folds and I act it up for a bit then call. The river is a blank, so I still have the nuts. I check and Bobberini goes all-in. I call immediately, stand up, flip over my cards and rake in the $600+ pot. Everyone at the table hated the two guys, so I got a "nice hand" from everyone.

- Bobby Bobberini bought back in for $300 more and built it up to about $600 by bullying people around. A pretty mediocre kid came into the game and doubled through Bobberini, but Bobberini built his stack back up to $600. About an hour after the kid's double-up, they're both sitting at about $600 each, with the kid having Bobberini stacked by about $60. Then, the humongous fucking hand that I knew was going to take place, took place. The kid looks down and likes his cards, so he raises to $12. Bobberini re-raises to $50. The kid re-raises to $100. Bobberini re-raises to $200. I need a drink of water. The kid has that "deer-in-the-headlights" look on his face and re-raises all-in for $600+. Bobberini IMMEDIATELY calls. I put the kid on KK and Bobberini on AK. Well, I gave them WAY too much credit. The kid had JJ and Bobberini had.......wait for it............

Ace

fucking

Two.

Off-suit.

Guess what hits the flop? Yup. An ace. Guess what DOESN'T hit on the board? Yup. A jack.

Bobberini immediately cashes out for $1200 as the whole table begs him to stay.


My plane leaves for Vegas in three hours. Hopefully, I'll have some good stories when I get back.

8/5/2005 5:26:20 AM

1st in bodog's 200pt MTT last night for $250...its not that much for 1st in a MTT but it was free

8/5/2005 10:20:18 AM

I was playing in second with a good stack when I landed a straight. I called someone's all-in, but they had a flush...

And then, on like the next hand, it came down to me and the same guy in head to head when I played a Queen high flush and went all in ( the King was on the board, I did not put him on the Ace) and the dude turns out to have a straight flush (7-9 suited, I think). So I was out of the game pretty quick (after playing for six hours), but was wondering, how can you fold a queen high flush when the king is on the board?

I guess I should have been more aggresive, but I bet a dollar just for chasing the flush, without that I would have had nothing.

[Edited on August 5, 2005 at 12:20 PM. Reason : 1]

8/5/2005 12:17:53 PM

I have decided my new pet peeve at the table is when some says I call...................long pause..............and raise.

OH yeah, I lost a hand last night that I wold have taken the call the entire time, but it sucks when they hit it.

I was playing a fairly lose game last night- .25/.50 blinds.

I catch queens in first position and limp. 4 callers and then cut off seat goes all in for 4 something.
Dealer calls
Small blind calls
big blind folds

Pot has like 15 in it.......

I go all in over top. (14 something)
folds around to the small blind and they call. (A-6 off suit.)

The other all in has a-k off suit.

Needless to say the river was ace. I would have taken that call every freaking time but it really stinks that they caught one of the two. Alas its poker. It was suggest to me that I should have only doubled the raise let her call and then go all in on the flop, but I mean I didn't think what I did was a bad move.

[Edited on August 5, 2005 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ]

8/5/2005 12:44:08 PM

Yeah, I can understand that.

Cause when they call they can look at your reactions for some obvious tips like a quick check at your cards or the board. That would get annoying.

Another thing that stinks is the question, "should we do a side pot?" cause you can learn a lot about somebody if they get nervous or don't want to do it. Sidepots should judt be a standard house rule, you either do them every time or none of the time.

[Edited on August 5, 2005 at 12:56 PM. Reason : qwerty]

8/5/2005 12:49:12 PM

^^I would have folded that one. I have learned that is best to have an Ace if someone raises you pre-flop or goes all in. But pocket queens have worked well for me before, so it depends. But I think you are right to either fold or go all-in. Just calling there would have been risky.

8/5/2005 12:59:42 PM

Quote :

"I have decided my new pet peeve at the table is when some says I call...................long pause..............and raise."

that is against the rules of poker. its called a string bet, and is prohibited for a reason. it is not allowed in any serious home game or any casino.

as soon as they pronounce the words call, their action is over. they are verbally committed to the action of calling.

another type of string bet is putting a call on the table, then reaching back for more chips with which to raise. only the call will be allowed.

ive been burned on it once in a casion, hoping to check-raise.. only to accidentally string bet on the raise.... i put my call on the table with one hand and bet with the other hand. this was not allowed. you live and learn.

verbal declarations are the only way to make sure that it is known what you are doing. if you declare "raise," you can put the call in the pot, and still put as much out as you want for your raise.

kind of like if you are playing 2/4 limit in a casino, and throw out a $5 chip on a $2 bet, it is accepted as a call, only a raise if you announce raise.


make your verbal declarations disticnt, and lound enough for the dealer to hear.

8/5/2005 1:01:15 PM

It is really easy to throw a Q high flush away if the K is on the board and there are 4 to a flush on the board. I don't understand why people don't get it. If the board is DDDDS and you are holding one away from the nuts, but someone else is throwing out a whole shitload of money, what do you think they have? Most likely the ace. Maybe not sometimes, but usually you're going to get burnt.

8/5/2005 1:59:31 PM

Awwww sorry about that Amelia (forkgirl)...

But I mean... I was way up and in my defense: you didn't have

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"I go all in over top. (14 something)"

You had 9 something. And AK called before me and he had called all-in's w/ 9-2. And frankly... I really misread you and put you on a much lower pocket pair. By that point, the pot was huge and I had been tight all night long. I'm sorry that I chose to be a loose player on ONE hand but I had seen like 3 Aces all night and frankly, I was way up so I felt I could risk the chips just for the suspense.... Also I had both of you covered by quite a bit and there were only like 3 or 4 hands left until it was time for me to leave.. So sorry it didn't work out for you though-- That's poker.


Also-- another thing... That table was incredibly informal... They would deal w/out allowing cuts most of the time, they would get their mucked cards back out of the pot, they would give chips to other people w/out cashing out (saying something along the lines that "Now we're even 'cause you owe me 10 dollars"), etc, and they were even less informal the one time I played w/ them when you weren't there. So I'm sorry I paused for 2 seconds before going all in w/ my pocket Aces but I hadn't put the chips to call the guy who went all in on the table before I did that so I assumed it was aiight. Won't happen again, Oh Goddess of poker.

[Edited on August 5, 2005 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ]

8/5/2005 2:02:19 PM

i call all-ins with a-x everytime, i usually win too; it doesn't matter how much, if I have an ace I'm usually pretty sure I have the best hand, a-7o is my favorite

btw if someone tries a string bet at a game I'm at...it would not be allowed, there would be a fist fight before it was allowed even if I knew them; of course the people I play with wouldn't try it anyway


If there are 4 to the flush I'll go all in with a ten or higher, it's probably the best hand NO MATTER WHAT

[Edited on August 5, 2005 at 2:11 PM. Reason : :]

8/5/2005 2:08:20 PM

I really didn't think of it as string betting when I did it-- I've actually never been accused of it though I have accused people....

It happened a lot at the table last night so I guess it was just so informal that I hesitated too long.

It kinda went like "Well I'm going to call his all in"

2 seconds...

"And I'm all in as well"

But I'll never do that again.


And usually I am an incredibly tight player-- so it was very outside my normal play to call w/ A-6.

8/5/2005 2:17:03 PM